I don't know why I'm posting this, because I've totally given up on this show. But tonight, the Borg are on Enterprise. Yup. The Borg.
I used to be one of the most fervent Trekkers you could ever know, but now I'm just totally apathetic now. Anyway, if you want to see Berman and Braga spit on Gene's grave some more, tune in tonight.
Yeah, I saw the promos for this episode and sighed heavily.
If they find a way to "infect" the Collective and defeat them handily, it will become ever clearer that Archer is in a different timeline from Picard.
Troy
What, on the new show? Sheesh, are they running out of plotlines already?
Good to see Star Trek in the dustbin with Star Wars.
Man, that's pathetic. They really are creatively bankrupt.
As terrible a filmmaker as Lucas is, at least he's retained creative vision.
They have an out--it's not really the Borg. At the end, they find out that they are actually trapped on the holodeck.
The one way they could pull this off without ruining continuity would be for the Borg they find to be survivors of the time-traveling Borg from Zefrem Cochrane's time, from Star Trek XXVIII or whatever that was.
True, that wouldn't explain Picard's suprise at encountering the Borg, but remember, this is hundreds of years prior. If I met, say, the French Army from 200 years ago, I probably wouldn't recognize them either, what with their aggressive fighthing stance and all that...
Is there now a written or unwritten FCC law that there must always be a Trek series airing onnn some crappy network somewhere. ST: TNG was great. I have tried and simply not enjoyed any series since.
Much of ST:TNG sucked too. I dare you to call any episodes from the first two seasons "great." Blecchhhhh! And there was plenty of mediocrity in seasons 3-7, but there were enough "great" episodes spread across those to fill an entire season, at least.
(And c'mon, TNG WAS the show that had kids on the bloody ship. Oh, Great Bird, what were you thinking?)
DS9 got off to a slow start, but I thought the last few years (save the series finale) were really good -- and more consistently good than TNG.
Enterprise is mediocre rehash, but it's hella better than Voyager. Voyager was soo, soo very bad. Enterprise has at least had a few good moments.
I spent so much of my youth wishing Star Trek would come back on that I have a Pavlovian need to tune in to any new Trek series. But good lord, after the fiasco of Nemesis, you'd think Paramount would realize it's time to send Berman and his crew packing.
Take the show off for a year and let me retool it. :-)
http://www.gamespy.com/comics/dorkto...ewcomic&id=732Originally Posted by DennyA
I can go along with the theory that as TNG got better I became spoiled and then failed to give Deep Space a long enough trial run. However, even when I went back to DS9 now and again, I did not like the stagnant setting of a space station. I realize they were not shackled to it throughout the series, but it added to my dislike.
Voyager: Blech!
Enterprise: I tried. Quantum Leap made me despise Fred Savage or whatever his name is. Bach...Manback...drawing a complete blank. (not bothering to google it) Lord of Illusions and that football flick with the mule were OK, but QL...ugh!
To use a lame comparison, Picard was sorta the Jack Bauer of Star Trek for me. No topping him. (Although number One, I have always thought was horrendous.)
No silly! They learn it was all an illusion, yes. But it was an illusion caused by a godlike being, who wants to learn about this thing you call love and who turns out to be a child.
EDIT: and looks human aside from bumps on his forehead and the bridge of his nose.
Is that what the new gig is? To diverge Enterprise's timeline from Kirk's?
They didn't even really try to explain it. It was just like "Whoah! Here are some Borg in the Alpha quadrant!" and be damned with continuity. Where the hell did they come from? Why doesn't Starfleet do something about it? I mean, come on--they even know when the Borg transmission is going to become a threat (odd, since in TNG the Borg didn't know about humans until they met the Enterprise, at which point they beelined for Federation space at maximum warp). Did someone misplace the memo?
Lame.
What the hell was with the delayed reaction assimilation? Garrrrr.....
Fuck Star Trek.
I watch, but to avoid being annoyed my rule is, anything after Gene Roddenberry's death is not canon .
Same way I feel about Sherlock Holmes and James Bond Pastiches :!:
The did too explain it...
1) They mentioned Zephram Cochrane talking about the "cybernetic invaders from the future.
2) They mentioned it was a spherical ship that had been there for about 100 years -- the Borg sphere from First Contact.
3) They were careful never to call them "Borg." Even the radio call threatening assimulation left off the "We are Borg" part. Thus, when the Borg threat showed up in the 24th Century, nobody thought to associate it with a 200-year-old encounter with two unknown cybernetic beings.
The only real flub was the subspace message not matching well with the "Q" introduction to the Borg. But hey, there was a quasi-omnipotent being screwing around with reality there... Still, they should have left that part off. It was a cheap way to connect with the TNG Borg that didn't really work.
At any rate, I thought they handled it very well, and it really doesn't disturb continuity. The only real problem I saw was that the Borg should have destroyed their crash site on the way out -- seems there's a crapload of damaged Borg technology still lying around the arctic circle.
When you've been a Star Trek and comic fan for over 30 years, you learn how to plug the plot holes. :-)
You mean Phlox? They explained that -- the nanoprobes were having problems with his physiology and it was taking them a long time to adapt.
Probably some slowdown due to the subspace chronoton radiation flowing from the EPS conduits leading from sickbay to the flux capacitors, too.
Get this man a scriptwriting job!You mean Phlox? They explained that -- the nanoprobes were having problems with his physiology and it was taking them a long time to adapt.
Probably some slowdown due to the subspace chronoton radiation flowing from the EPS conduits leading from sickbay to the flux capacitors, too.
Who would win in a fight, da Borgs or continuity?
Da Borgs!
Daaaaaaaa Borgs!
Yeah, I caught that, too. But these Borg were much less powerful than the Borg of the future--the delayed assimilation and the weaker adaptive shielding suggest that these are Borg from the current timeline. If not, then those were two more unexplained contrivances.
You mean the Borg sphere that the Enterprise destroyed 2.5 seconds after following it through the time rift? Again, continuity problems. And if these Borg were survivors of the failed time-invasion of Earth, why wait until now to send a message to the Collective? Why didn't they send one immediately after their failure on Earth?2) They mentioned it was a spherical ship that had been there for about 100 years -- the Borg sphere from First Contact.
Yeah, but they SAW them, saw how they operated, saw what they were capable of. At the very least, you'd think they would have left a message in the Starfleet database. "Dear people 200 years in the future: Watch out for some badass cyborgs that will be gunning for you real soon."3) They were careful never to call them "Borg." Even the radio call threatening assimulation left off the "We are Borg" part. Thus, when the Borg threat showed up in the 24th Century, nobody thought to associate it with a 200-year-old encounter with two unknown cybernetic beings.
And the Enterprise is Starfleet's first deep space exploration vessel. You would think that its escapades would be History 101 for Starfleet cadets. At the very least, Data would have found the info in about 5 seconds of searching.
The whole thing was a flub--a poorly executed attempt to shoehorn the Borg into Starfleet's history. What's next? An encounter with the Dominion?The only real flub was the subspace message not matching well with the "Q" introduction to the Borg.
Ben, you're using Level 2 nitpicking. You know Star Trek is only rated to survive Level 1 Nitpicking during the best of times. :)
You all realize that when I read your posts in this thread I'm hearing the voice of Comic Book Guy.
Let it go, people. :)
Good point, Adam. ;)
Denny: It's not like this episode was even a stretch, continuity-wise--it downright made no sense.
I wouldn't be caught dead criticising a tv show so thoroughly, based on some kind of "continuity" concept. It's a tv show, people, get over it.
*tries surreptitiously to hide "Ask me about the Xena finale"-button*
Kind of reminds me a recent Futurama episode, where Fry, who was originally frozen 1000 years into the future is sent back into the past at the moment of his freezing, is talking to Nibbler, a seemingly harmless (sorta) dumb animal pet of Leela who it turns out is quite intelligent and in fact tipped Fry into the cryogenic chamber, and it wasn't a mistake as Fry thought.
Uh, anyway..
The line goes something like this:
Fry: "Oh, wait, I'm going to wind up right back at the Infosphere! Just remember that in the future, the Scooty Puff Jr. [Fry's toy getaway vehicle] suuuucccckkkkssss!" Pop! he disappears.
Nibbler: "In a thousand years I'll get right on it."
Actually I guess that really didn't have anything to do with it, just thought it was funny.
--- Alan
Continuity aside, the real problem this episode points out is the lack of creativity. Yanking the borg in? That's a crutch. I thought Enterprise was off to a good start with the introduction of the Andorians. Oh well.
I think the SubAtomic Plot Contrivance Particles were causing fluctuations in the subspace barrier or something. What a bunch of stupid bullshit. I have up on Star Trek back when I realized Voyager would never become passable, and I tried Enterprise but even hottie T'Pal can't keep me interested. I'll give it another shot if they ever change the theme song to something that doesn't make me physically ill.
I'm not into the whole "fuck whatever" thing we have going here, but I'll gladly join the "Fuck Star Trek" camp. Count me in.
Okay, I totally dropped out of Enterprise last season, but damnit, I'm gonna be hot to watch Season 4. Why, you ask? Well, as you may know, at the end of Season 3, the producers were under considerable pressure from Paramount due to sagging ratings, so they introduced a new villianous race which, in the season finale, obliterates a big chunk of Planet Earth (namely Florida and Central America). Needless to say, this means war, so the bulk (at least 13 episodes) of Season 4 is going to be a big war arc the likes of which we haven't seen before on Trek.
But that's not the reason why I'm so hot about Season 4. The reason is that because Enterprise will get some Marines/Commandos (ala the Argo in Star Blazers), and that one of these elite troopers will be played by this girl...
http://us.imdb.com/Name?Rose,+Julia
Daaaaamn... she's not only a babe, but she's brilliant as well. Daughter of a UN diplomat, international background, degree in Diplomatic History, and did I mention that she's hot? Look out, T'Pol, there's a new lust object on the block.
Scott Bakula is one of the blandest actors on TV.
Enterprise will probably face the humiliation of being canceled next season.
Trek is dead.
That is all.
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