Reply With QuoteWell, my curiosity overcame my laziness. I was wrong about the book in which it appeared. The note is actually in strip 131.Originally Posted by Dave Markell
Tyrinaria is an unusual enough name that I recalled the context and guessed the reveal pretty much the moment I read it; but then I've been expecting the Haley's father to be revealed for a while now.
It makes one realize just how slowly this series moves, though, when I see that I wrote this back in April. I really enjoy OOTS, but it is much better on paper when you don't have to wait for the action to grind out sloooowly...
Well, my curiosity overcame my laziness. I was wrong about the book in which it appeared. The note is actually in strip 131.
I'm pretty sure it also in Origin of the PCs.
Though it's also mentioned in these two strips, which were the reason why I've just been waiting for this guy to show up:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0680.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0681.html
Last edited by strategy; 11-16-2010 at 04:17 PM. Reason: Corrected sure to pretty sure. :)
Well if anyone was in doubt before, the names "Ian" match in 680 and 758, so I guess it's pretty much a done deal now.
Unless there are two red-haired Ians being held by the Kingdom of Tyrania, that would seem to seal it.
hailey's dad in better times:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0608.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0131.html
The first time we learn about Haley's father being held by Tyrannia.
However, Tyrannia was brought up much more recently and we knew Haley was on the lookout for it.
So much continuity. So much plotting. It makes me forget the face of my father.
And again it's little things like this that make me love this series. I really need to start getting the TPB's of these. I keep putting it off, but would love to have them to read, or some of the non-web ones would be fun to get as well. One of these days....
Blood, Sweat, and Tears.
Yes, Apparently. Heh, poor Elan. Is this the first time a callback was explicitly explained in-strip?
Ahh, there goes the dropping of the last shoe.
Oh, poor Elan!
Hee hee.
I may have been slightly wrong. There's a first time for everything. :P
On a rooftop, no less. Exquisite!
I really really like Tarquin, especially when he's interacting with (and contrasting with) Elan . All of Elan's whimsy grounded in a type A logical mind. What fun!
Not to mention the fact that they're both so totally trope-aware, which makes it all the more awesome.
OK yeah, no way a Lawful character would've challenged his father to a battle right then and there.
(Yes I'm dense, thank you)
Why not? Wouldn't a challenge to a duel be exactly how a Lawful character would confront someone?
A lawful character would issue a challenge, then give a reasonable amount of time for the issues of seconds, venue, and weaponry to be discussed. Possibly even notified the authorities to ensure the duel was done in accord with local law.
The fact that he issued a challenge rather than attacked without warning is the sign of a lawful character.
What? No, it's the sign of a dramatic character. Just attacking without preamble banter isn't exquisite at all!
Okay, but there's no "Theatrically-minded/Good" alignment!
Technically, there's no chaotic good alignment anymore either, so let's not overthink it :)
Yes, this has nothing to do with traditional D&D alignment. Both Elan and his father are dyed-in-the-wool Flynn/Rathbone swashbuckling types, and so they have to do whatever is dramatically appropriate, trumping trivial matters like alignment.
Technically, maybe Elan is CG and his dad is LE, but that is hardly relevant to this situation.
Isn't OOTS 3.5 ed? Does 3.5 ed no longer have alignment?
Anyway, the reason I say "Chaotic" is two reasons. First, his Dad is a legal, lawful ruler of the Empire of Blood. A Lawful character does not merely walk into Mordor^H^H^H^H^H^H^H slay anyone he happens to think is Evil.
Secondly, he's doing so on his own. He isn't being a team player or anything. Related to the above, but different. I imagine a Lawful person would be more inclined to get his friends and do it as a team, rather than challenging right then and there.
So - any bets on Elan losing a hand - right?
Nah, he's got a date with poison.
This is clearly a setup for a Romeo and Juliet sequence with the warring parental factions being Tarquins government on one side and on the other a rebellion led by Haley's father Ian.
Lawful can be hard to figure out, but I do not think your definition is fully formed Rimbo.
To be lawful you have to follow a code and play by rules. That doesn't mean that everyone has to follow the same code and play by the same rules. The mere fact that his father is the lawful ruler of an empire doesn't prevent a duel I think - there are plenty of evil creatures that may be the lawful rulers of realms, in accordance with the rules of that realm. If you used that logic, lawful good could never attack lawful evil, as the evil would behave lawfully. I think instead the question is one of whether the particular brand of lawful follows the same code as the other brand of lawful. It may be within a lawful evil character's code to punish by death anyone who sneezes on a Tuesday. That does not mean it is within the same code as a lawful good character, or that the lawful good character could not attack or stop the lawful evil character from trying to put people to death for sneezing on a Tuesday.
I also do not think being lawful has anything to do with playing on a team - otherwise, the lone paladin trope would make no sense.
Last edited by SlyFrog; 11-22-2010 at 05:15 PM.
I can't see any way Elan wins this fight. 'Basically competent' sums up his skills (which is a step up from laughable, but still), while Tarquin is equivalent level, horrifically efficient and tactically brilliant.
Beaten, loses a hand, used as bargaining chip for Haley to make her be the latest Mrs Tarquin <=prediction
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