none of the above.
You know, just curious.
The sad part is that I'll have a hard time determining which way to vote.
Mignola is my god and I imitate his style. However, I love the Watchmen and Blade of the Immortal more than I love most of my family. The art in Blade of the Immortal is the best I've ever seen.
The problem is that this isn't based on art. So god knows which way I'll vote.
none of the above.
Jeez Desslock. Couldn't you just treat it as a best out of the above group? Must you be so difficult?Originally Posted by Desslock
and what would you say
Miller/Claremont's Wolverine miniseries, maybe.
I haven't read Ghost in the Shell. Of the others, I guess I'd pick Watchmen. It's a solid list, but I'm not the biggest fan of any of 'em.
David Micheline's Iron Man: The Armor Wars.
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is good too.
I realize it might get me flamed here, but I'll put in a vote for some of Gaiman's Sandman stuff. "Ramadan," for example, was excellent (although a single issue). The short story collection about the Inn Between Worlds (or whatever it was called) was also very good, as was "A Game of You."
For Manga's, I'd choose City Hunter. I don't know if any of you realize it but both Trigun and Cowboy Bebop owe a lot to that series.
Alan Moore is by a *huge* margin the best writer I have encountered in comic books (as opposed to comic strips, where I think Watterson probably gets the nod). This is based primarily on Watchmen, a comic which I find it impossible to praise too much; but also a little bit on Supreme and the superb one-off Superman book, "What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" It's nice to know that I can still look forward to reading Swamp Thing and various other works of his.
After that, it's all a notch down, but there's some good stuff. Frank Miller, Claremont, Denny O'Neil, Rumiko Takahashi for manga, and whoever wrote "Sanctuary." I haven't read a broad enough range of comics to be able to come up with any really idiosyncratic choices. Oh, whoever wrote "Justice League International" in the post-Crisis years (circa 1987) was a hoot. And I'll throw in a word for Herge, whose writing wasn't "deep" in the sense of Moore, but who could weave an adventure plot like nobody's business. Check out especially "Tintin in Tibet," the "Destination Moon/Explorers on the Moon" two-parter, and the "Seven Crystal Balls/Prisoners of the Sun" two-parter.
I'd vote for Gaiman's Sandman work as well. I'd also like to plug Rick Veitch's run on Swamp Thing, which I thought was really terrific. Too bad DC jobbed him on the issue of Jesus appearing in issue 88 and he immediately quit. One consequence of which was that Niel Gaiman and, I believe, Jaime Delano also withdrew from taking over Swamp Thing which would have followed Vietch's run. Rumor has it that DC is thinking of including that lost issue in a future collection.
Oh yeah, the first 20 issues of ElfQuest by Richard and Windy Pini, Dave Sim's Cerebus: High Society and Miyazaki's Nausicaa are all fantastic.
Gordon, have you ever read Blade of the Immortal? Just curious because in my eyes it doesn't get much better. Don't get me wrong, I love the living bejesus out of the Watchmen, and Hellboy is my favorite comic but man, BotI is just outstanding.Originally Posted by Gordon Cameron
Alan Moore, easily. He's one of the few writers that I wish to be inside his brain for a day. I selected V For Vendetta, mostly because I figured every one else would select Watchmen.
But he can easily earn any best writer kudos for things like Watchmen, V For Vendetta, From Hell, Top 10, WildC.A.T.s, League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volumes I and II, Miracleman, Swamp Thing, Tom Strong, etc. etc. etc.
Adding in Lone Wolf & Cub to that list was tough also, though. While I was reading the new DH reprints, it was easily my favorite series at the time.
I've only read the first three trades of BOTI, you reminded me that I need to get back into them.
Of the current reads, my favorites seem to go back and forth between either Greg Rucka's "Queen & Country" or Micah Ian Wright's "StormWatch: Team Achilles."
Never even heard of it. I'll have to check that out, thanks for the recommendation.Originally Posted by Jason McMaster
I was very impressed by "Transmetropolitan" by Warren Ellis. I think my all-time favorite, though, was the Grant Morrison "Doom Patrol" issues.
Well, of course art and writing are two different matters. Like Watchmen, Gibbon does a decent job, but I doubt anyone would mistake that for great comic art.Originally Posted by Jason McMaster
For artists, I'd probably go with Frank Miller, Jack Kirby, Herge, but again my knowledge is pretty spotty. I have a friend who's a huge fan of Steve Rude (Nexus) and Walt Simonson. For panel layouts and compositions, I'd go with Miller. He did some absolutely transcendent stuff in Dark Knight (i.e. the Superman/American Flag sequence, or the flashbacks of Batman's parents' murder), and I like his robust draftmanship. He has declined but I really liked some of the art in his recent "300."
In a completely different vein, I also really like Aragones' work on Groo the Wanderer... A lot like MAD's Jack Davis or Hieronymous Bosch, one of those artists who just crams the frame with tiny little things.
When it comes to Miller, he was once really great and then he did Sin City for a few years and forgot how to draw without about a pound of black ink.
Some of the battle tableaux in "300" are amazing, though. Some of the most kinetic and violent comic art I've seen.
I'm gona have to go with Spider-Man's 'Coming Home' by Straczynski.
Always been a huge Spider-Fan, and the plot of his powers possibly being from a completely different origin (which is still going on but unrevealed) and the unstoppable monster forcing Peter to almost kill himself trying to stop him was just great. Never seen Spider-Man so resolved to defeat, or so close to killing an enemy.
I'd have to nominate Grant Morrison's run on Animal Man. (But wow, did the comic go downhill by the end, after he was long gone.)
Mignola is one of those artists I just don't "get." His style works okay for Hellboy and stuff like that, but when he draws mainstream comics (such as that miniseries that brought back the Spectre a few years ago) his stuff rivals the crayon drawings of my 6.5-month-old son.
I'm more a fan of highly detailed, realistic art, than stylistic. Perez, Jiminez, Guice, Land, etc... Those are the guys whose work I enjoy.
"Always been a huge Spider-Fan, and the plot of his powers possibly being from a completely different origin (which is still going on but unrevealed) and the unstoppable monster forcing Peter to almost kill himself trying to stop him was just great. Never seen Spider-Man so resolved to defeat, or so close to killing an enemy."
Peter's being played by the old man.
Mignola can draw a woman, make her very hard edged and angular and she still looks feminine. His use of shadows and the feel of all of the hard lines that he draws is outstanding. I'm a big fan and some of my stuff has definately been inspired by him.
Maybe I'm just wacky.
You probably are, but not over this. Mignola is widely regarded as one of the finest comic artists working today. Denny's right to call him stylistic, rather than realistic though. He's got a lot of Kirby's posing talent and that makes up for his weakness as distinctive faces. That's why I prefer stylistic comic artwork, I'd rather see an interesting or different image than something I recognize right away. I've really grown tired of the ultra-realistic (or whatever they're calling it today) stuff like McFarland, Jim Lee, or the worst artist ever, Rob Liefeld. I'm also really getting tired of anything remotely manga inspired. It's become a crutch for artists who have no personal style.Originally Posted by Jason McMaster
If you like Mignola you should pay more attention to Miller -- I hope it wasn't you above who said he uses too much ink. His Sin City stuff is really incredible. You should really seek out older stuff by Bill Sienkiewicz too. The New Mutants Demon Bear Saga TPB and Elektra Assassin will blow your mind. Man, I wish he'd revisit his Moon Knight/Werewolf stuff. Is that collected anywhere?
I said he used too much ink, but it was in context of him not being able to do a great job of drawing without it these days. Don't get me wrong, I'm one of the biggest Sin City dorks on the planet, I absolutely adore Marv. It's just that after he stopped doing as much Sin City he had problems drawing without all the shadow. At least that's what it seems like to me.
After ranting about artists I just saw the topic... um... here's my answer: Alan Moore is the best writer in the business by far. The gulf between Alan Moore and everyone else is incredible.
While I like him, and grew up with his X-Men, I can't imagine why anyone would pick Claremont as a great writer. Like Byrne he's good at single stories (see Byrne's FF run) but Claremont turned everything he touched into a convoluted soap opera that quickly became impossible to follow. I believe there are enough hanging threads from 1987's Uncanny X-Men alone to make a quilt!
I'm really digging Kurt Busiek lately. First off, it's nice to read something light rather than grim, for another his use of references is engaging. I haven't read anything other than Astro City by him though, but he's becoming the O'Henry of comics. I know the twist is coming, but I never catch it. This month's issue is a good case in point.
Ok, I can see that. I'd argue that he never really could before Sin City. Most of his "normal"-looking artwork, like his early Daredevil stuff, was a Miller who hadn't found his style yet. Miller just doesn't draw pretty (he's also got this weird over-sized feet thing going on), I think a lot of comic fans find that jarring.Originally Posted by Jason McMaster
I have a hyperdriven weird oversized feet thing going on, but that's another story. Miller did his best artwork in Sin City IMO, and he should stick with that style for everything. I guess maybe I was just a little disappointed with DK2. I liked half of it, but the other half was complete crap.
Just curious, did you read 300? I know it was mentioned here. It's painted and Miller's artwork looks good with deep color, or ink, backgrounds. Miller is terrific with ink and Sin City, particularly the painted one-shot Silent Night, is among the best comic artwork ever made. If you missed that one, remedy that McMaster. It's a Marv story too! I think it's collected in one of the TPBs.
Yeah, me too. Neal Adams is king.Originally Posted by DennyA
Bah, he was the greatest. His 16 year run on the X-men is untouched in terms of consistent quality and creatiivity.Originally Posted by Bub, Andrew
He's clearly out of touch these days (there's few things more painful than reading dialogue written by old guys for 15 year old girl characters), but during that X-men run, he was untouchable.
You've lost all credibility by calling Liefield ultra-realistic.I've really grown tired of the ultra-realistic (or whatever they're calling it today) stuff like .. Rob Liefeld