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    An immigrant supporter's view of the LA demonstration

    http://www.mexica-movement.org/granmarcha.htm

    I can't help but feel that this sort of thing is counterproductive as regards reaching their goals.

    Make sure you read all his captions. Interesting stuff there.

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    Internet cranks are funny. What makes you think he's representative of anything?

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    That has got to be an April Fool's joke.

    Those are all such dumb signs. I don't know what kind of dipshit leftist rage against the machine fan put that bloody monkeycum together on posterboard, but he owes La Raza an apology. Politcal acumen must not be the strong suit of whatever hippy drum circle down at the Campus Greens Info Shop got chosen to lead the revolution. I honestly feel bad for the people that had to march with those signs. The signs are outwardly racist, practice inducto ad hitlerum, and aren't catchy at all. It's hard to believe those placards were not a genius coup by the opposition, ala PCU.

    Thanks Zack de la Rocha and company, thanks a whole lot.

    On the upside, I do welcome a rabid, spitty, condemnation flinging, banshee of a lobby with a flair for hyperbole other than the Republicans. It's like when two giant monsters fight, sure they destroy the city, but it's so awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason McCullough
    What makes you think he's representative of anything?
    The photographs.

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    I prefer my protest signs more catch phrase worthy with a hint of serious sam.



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    [SIZE="3"]CONTINENTE ROBADO![/SIZE]

    I think it would be fun to take a giant poster featuring only the qt3 bleary eye to any given random demonstration and just shout crap in esperanto as one walks along in the crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollory
    The photographs.
    What makes you think the wackiest signs from a protest are representative of anything?

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    Well, the organizers probably should have tried to curtail the display of Mexican flags at least a little bit...

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    Wow. A picture of a politician with two different flags. Stop the presses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason McCullough
    That doesn't look like a pro-Israeli immigration rally to me.

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    It's a US government official surrounded by Isreali flags. The point is that maybe displaying your other culture's flags isn't as unseemly as implied.

    Sheesh, I have to explain everything. :)

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    Here's one of George W. Bush waving a Mexican flag. :)

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    "Displaying other culture's flags is unseemly" isn't the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason McCullough
    It's a US government official surrounded by Isreali flags. The point is that maybe displaying your other culture's flags isn't as unseemly as implied.

    Sheesh, I have to explain everything. :)
    Just as long as you realize the irony of pro-immigration protesters waving the flags of their origin. I mean no one gets on my case when I wave my Irish flag like a drunken dipshit. Well, except for the one I'm using as a toga. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirrel Killer
    Just as long as you realize the irony of pro-immigration protesters waving the flags of their origin. I mean no one gets on my case when I wave my Irish flag like a drunken dipshit. Well, except for the one I'm using as a toga. ;)

    I thought the true flippantly hypocritical part of the situation was that a race based organization was comparing people to Nazi's whilst simultaneously trumpeting a platform strikingly similar to Lebensraum.

    Also, likening individuals of Germanic descent to the National Socialist movement under Adolf Hitler is, to me, the equivalent of a lovely night of wine, dinner, and conversation with Asian American friends about the nature of taxes and environmental stewardship, callously aborted by the blurted out rejoinder, "Oh yeah, well Ching chong bing bong."

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    America, Love It, or Leave It! *wink*

    But seriously girls, it's kind of hard to have a country without borders, and laws. Forget/ignore the last two, and the first one kind of goes away, ya think?

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    Just ask the Indians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirrel Killer
    Just as long as you realize the irony of pro-immigration protesters waving the flags of their origin. I mean no one gets on my case when I wave my Irish flag like a drunken dipshit. Well, except for the one I'm using as a toga. ;)
    Err, what irony? I don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason McCullough
    Err, what irony? I don't get it.
    You're trolling me, right?

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    Last I heard, Portugal and Spain were part of Europe. That would make the majority of those people of European descent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CindySue22
    America, Love It, or Leave It! *wink*

    But seriously girls, it's kind of hard to have a country without borders, and laws. Forget/ignore the last two, and the first one kind of goes away, ya think?

    That's right, because we all said that. All those Mexicans did too. Everyone always protests to have no laws. In fact, just yesterday, I was standing on a parked car bashing the windows with a crowbar and screaming "Anarchy!" I guess I never really thought that Anarchy would mean I wouldn't get my mail anymore.


    Thanks CindySue. I also enjoyed your comments about jacking off to fire. I will let you know how it goes.

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    As a European of substantially mediterranean extraction, it's always interesting and fun to see the descendants of Europeans claiming to be the indigenous inhabitants of North America. Especially when it's on the grounds that they were killing southwestern natives a full century before the English moseyed their way down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Beschizza
    As a European of substantially mediterranean extraction, it's always interesting and fun to see the descendants of Europeans claiming to be the indigenous inhabitants of North America. Especially when it's on the grounds that they were killing southwestern natives a full century before the English moseyed their way down there.
    To be honest Rob, they also had sex with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirrel Killer
    You're trolling me, right?
    No, I'm not. Irish parades also has a history of Irish immigrants in favor of more Irish immigrants waving Irish flags.

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    Obtuse:

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    The irony is they are protesting the policies of the U.S. Government, partly, one assumes, to cause those policies to change, yet they are trumpeting the illegitimacy of the very government whose policies they wish to alter.

    Also, most mexican immigrants have little to no European ancestry.

    A point taken from Hernando de Soto's book on land ownership as the engine of social progress: Laws exist to codify and enforce the rules of society, not to oppose the established social order. Just like the Homestead Act in the 1800s, immigration law will catch up to reality on the ground. It's not a question of amnesty, but of an outdated law.

    We can work to change the economic incentives to reduce the immigration rate in the future, but trying to roll back the clock on societal change is wasted effort.

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    .....yet they are trumpeting the illegitimacy of the very government whose policies they wish to alter.
    Huh? What illegitimacy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason McCullough
    Huh? What illegitimacy?
    The original linked site is full of claims that the US is illegitimate and that the protestors are the only legal inhabitants. Deport all white people, essentially.

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    And fuck Alanis while we're at it. No reason. Just fuck her anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason McCullough
    No, I'm not. Irish parades also has a history of Irish immigrants in favor of more Irish immigrants waving Irish flags.
    An Irish flag at a pro Irish immigration rally is no less ironic than Mexican flags at a pro Mexican immigration rally. At the most basic level, using the symbols of your country of origin to express just how much you want to join a different country is ironic. At the more subtle level that Sofaer is talking about in this particular instance, claiming the government is illegitmate while asking it to do more is ironic.

    And now, since before I thought you were just being all jokey and we were both in on the joke together, but now I have to wonder, let me seriously respond to your "we've got pictures of politicians with other flags" discovery. What point do you think finding such a picture proves? Israeli flags don't contradict the politician's point about support for Israel. GWB waving a Mexican flag doesn't contradict his point that the RNC needs to court the Mexican-heritage voting base. A {insert country of origin} flag, however, does contradict the point of, "Hey, we just want to be Americans." Ben Nighthorse Campbell didn't annouce his party switch while waving a Democrat flag.

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    Can anyone fill me in with exactly what's happening? I'm at college now and never read news, I listen to NYTimes/CNN podcasts though, so I'm surprised I haven't heard of this. Is this for real, or what?

    By the way, that site was giving me a headache, can they have made it any harder to read? And what's up with calling all the Europeans racist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeSofaer
    The original linked site is full of claims that the US is illegitimate and that the protestors are the only legal inhabitants. Deport all white people, essentially.
    ....and the original linked site, to reiterate again, is not representative of the views of protesters in general. So yeah, you sure got the protesters there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squirrel Killer
    What point do you think finding such a picture proves? Israeli flags don't contradict the politician's point about support for Israel. GWB waving a Mexican flag doesn't contradict his point that the RNC needs to court the Mexican-heritage voting base. A {insert country of origin} flag, however, does contradict the point of, "Hey, we just want to be Americans." Ben Nighthorse Campbell didn't annouce his party switch while waving a Democrat flag.
    "You can only wave a foreign country's flag in a parade if you're not from that country?"

    Maybe I'm just dumb, but I don't understand your logic at all.

    If you're:

    * In a parade.
    * Protesting the government.
    * Protesting a government law changing the act of illegal immigration to a felony.
    * A legal immigrant from the country in question.
    * An illegal immigrant from the country in question.
    * Not an immigrant from the country in question, but your ancestors were from there.
    * You're waving a flag of that country.

    Can you point out the parts that make it ironic? Because it just looks to me like "woo, we're from here originally and proud of it", and I don't see a difference between of "Mexican culture" or "Jewish culture" doing it.

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