09-25-2011, 06:27 PM
Honestly, at the end of the last season, I knew the God thing would only last an episode or two. There was no way Cas was God and no way those souls would just happily reside in him for long, I thought.
09-25-2011, 09:35 PM
Any chance the leviathans will be named Cthulhu, Azathoth, etc? Maybe my Lovecraft inner-geek is reaching.
09-26-2011, 02:12 AM
I'd say it's a possibility. :-)
09-26-2011, 04:59 AM
Considering they had H.P. Lovecraft himself in a previous episode, yeah, it's a pretty safe bet. Maybe not the exact entire mythos, but enough that it is clear that H.P. based his stories on his brushes with the "reality" of it.
09-26-2011, 05:58 AM
No they don't. Supernatural isn't exactly a ratings giant and nobody is really paying much attention. If the PTC was going to get pissed at them, they'd already be there for the whole "absentee god" thing, which runs kind of contrary to everything I've ever heard one of them god talkin' dudes say in the last five minutes of their little paid programs that come on before my talk shows start on Sunday morning.
Originally Posted by jason
Not a bad episode overall. I'm simultaneously delighted at the quality of Friday television and mortified at the fact that much of it cannot possibly survive. Castiel still gets to be the villain for the season AND they don't have to just fudge over that whole, "Yo, dude, this many souls will explode you" thing. And apparently now he's a sock puppet for Cthulu, so that's cool.
09-26-2011, 01:23 PM
I'd be disappointed if the Leviathans aren't named after the Old Ones. It was the first thing I thought of when Death was telling Sam and Dean about them.
Originally Posted by Vesper
I thought the premier was awesome this year. Exponentially better than last year's premier. I was surprised at how quickly the Castiel as God storyline was resolved. I thought it'd take half of the season to get that out of the way, only for a new big bad to revealed in the wake of it. All that happened in the first episode, which was pretty amazing to me.
I really like the Sam storyline setup as well. We know that Sam is out of hell, but there is no real way for him to be convinced of that when he's hallucinating Lucifer all the time. Great to see that guy back too. He was fantastic as Lucifer and I love the excuse to see him around some more.
09-26-2011, 03:13 PM
Lucifer, Death, Crowley, Castiel, Bobby all in one episode? Awesome.
I love this show.
09-26-2011, 03:26 PM
Yeah, I was quite happy about that. I also loved the pacing. It felt so fluid and right, and yet still got all of those awesome characters in there. :) I hope we see more of Death, but it sounds like he's...leaving? WTF?
Originally Posted by Huzurdaddi
09-27-2011, 04:33 AM
Death was / is fantastic. Just a great character, great episode.. top 10 overall for certain in my book.
09-28-2011, 05:27 AM
I don't think Death was ever going to be a major character, but I also don't think he's going much of anywhere. If I'm remembering the dialog from his first appearance correctly, he's basically Death of The Endless with different plumbing and a less spunky attitude. If you like him in particular, you might give Sandman a shot (start with the second trade - A Doll's House is the name, I think), since that's where Kripke shamelessly lifted him from. Makes me sad that Sandman was shelved in favor of the Deadman show Kripke's baking up now.
09-28-2011, 06:08 AM
In the most recent episode Dean referenced a conversation that he had with Death previously where Death said that someday he would (or could?) reap God himself. I got the impression that Death has been around since the beginning, possibly longer than God (if that's possible).
09-28-2011, 06:14 AM
And that at the end of the universe he'll finally take God, turn out the light, and close everything down. Compare to:
I would be so very down to have the other Endless show up in Supernatural, but that'll never happen. Particularly if they keep the Delirium cameo in American Gods when it finally makes it out on HBO.
Originally Posted by Death in Sandman
09-28-2011, 06:52 AM
Oh yeah, I wasn't disagreeing that Kripke (or Sera Gamble or whoever) stole Gaiman's version of Death outright, except that Supernatural's Death has a lot of dour gravitas and Gaiman's Death is somehow extremely lovable.
09-28-2011, 11:06 AM
Ha, that actually made me think of the Death of Discworld. I remember in one book he said that eventually he would turn out the lights and close up shop for this universe, and then be there for the start of the next universe. Him being very proper and the episode where he shows Dean that he keeps the universe running properly and isn't actually malicious combined with his love of fast food also reminds me of Terry Pratchett.
09-28-2011, 11:10 AM
Did Death show up in Diskworld before or after those two wrote their book together (something about The Future Predictions of Agnes somethingorother, or Good Omens for short)? It would be hilarious if Neil Gaiman was infecting all of the writers who approached him in anything resembling a working capacity.
09-28-2011, 11:11 AM
If you're gonna steal, you may as well steal from Gaiman. As far as I'm concerned, the guy is a genius.
09-28-2011, 11:11 AM
Huh, that reminds me that a friend of mine who's a huge Terry Pratchett fan and watches Supernatural said the same thing, LSB. Doesn't sound like a bad thing at all. I really hope we see him again. :) Reaping god would also make an awesome series finale. ;)
09-28-2011, 11:12 AM
And yeah, Brian, the book was Good Omens. AMAZING book.
09-28-2011, 11:44 AM
Death is in almost every Discworld novel starting in 1983, Good Omens (which was awesome) came out in 1990. I don't read many comics, and the Sandman collection I got from a friend didn't have much Death, so I relate him to Pratchett's and don't know how much Gaiman's Death is like him.
09-28-2011, 11:50 AM
Depends on when you're talking. If you pick up the Endless Nights collection (which was done after the series concluded, and Sandman definitely post-dated Pratchett with those dates), the Death that was around earlier in the universe was most definitely quite a lot like that. Apparently she got her spunky on somewhere between billions of years ago and now in Gaiman's universe, where he (very much in keeping with the time) depicted her as a cross between a goth chick and a manic pixie dreamgirl.
09-28-2011, 12:21 PM
Ohhh, new "Leviathan" preview for the next few episodes. Me like!
I really like the directions this season looks to be going in. Sam hallucinating Lucifer (or the other way around?), an interesting new baddie in the Leviathan. Looks like they have a much clearer direction for the season this time around.
09-28-2011, 12:26 PM
Is there any show that Pellegrino isn't in these days? He's on The Closer (in a character I really like - I believe he's supposed to be a gay defense attorney, but he's playing it really low-key, at least compared to how other people might have read it), he's in Being Human (which I dropped because of the incredibly oppressive Gray's Anatomy vibe I got off the first episode voiceover and now appears to be another frigging Vampire Diaries situation I've put myself in), he had a significant role in Locke and Key, which still isn't quite dead, and he's still doing movies? If he's really going to be in a significant number of episodes of Supernatural for the rest of the season - well, color me impressed, anyway.
09-28-2011, 12:28 PM
Oh, I need to get caught up on The Closer! And I totally don't mind, he's a GREAT actor, and I loved him as Lucifer.
Funnily enough, I was watching The Big Lebowski with the girlfriend the other day and was like "Hey, see that guy? He's Lucifer in Supernatural". She didn't believe me until she saw it on IMDB. :)
09-28-2011, 12:39 PM
Don't rush too hard. The Closer will be....well, closing later this year, so you can probably watch it all in one swoop, and they ended the half-season on kind of an unfinal note.
(And, in case anybody's worried, "The Closer" is canceled, but everything that matters about it will be continuing uninterrupted with a different title and Mary McDonald in the lead position, which is probably why she had that badass scene with the beanbag gun earlier this year.)
09-28-2011, 12:45 PM
Yeah, I saw it's ending this year, which makes me sad, but I love Mary McDonnell so it works out. I hope they keep the other characters, especially Flynn and Provenza, but also Buzz and Tao. Love 'em all, really.
Anyway, on topic, I watched that trailer again, and it's given me a much better feeling about this season that I had this same time last year.
10-01-2011, 11:51 AM
Well last night's episode was....well, holy shit...they're not fucking around this year. As soon as I saw it was written by Ben Edlund, I held on tight, and I wasn't disappointed. Sheesus christmas...
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10-03-2011, 04:14 AM
Great episode. Holy crap. Leviathans are bad asses. They are tearing up the scenery here in the first two episodes. Anyone else notice the actor playing Cas was listed as a guest appearance? :(
10-03-2011, 05:56 AM
Yeah, he was listed as a "special guest star" :/ I wonder what this means for Cas. Will he be brought back yet again?