The unfortunate reality is that money talks.
220 officially supported games. Not to mention the other hundreds or thousands of ported unofficially supported games. Anything that isn't directly supported can be Wined or you can even petition through tuxgames.com to have the company make a port. Wine gets better all the time. It'll be perfect eventually.
A friend of mine is a former associate of the Phrozen Crew, which you probably haven't heard of, but they are super expertz. He's a die-hard Linux gamer. I'm an excellent Quake gamer. Probably better than everyone else on the boards, but this guy is way above even me. As a gamer and a computer expert. He says Windows is gay. Anyone who supports Windows is inferior.
It's true that all real hardcore gamers are linux gamers, or at least linux users.
The unfortunate reality is that money talks.
Daddy? Can I feed the troll? Plllleeeeaaaasse?
It's this kind of elitest attitude which seems so prevalent amongst Linux users that turns me away from giving the OS a try. And if all it takes is 220 officially supported games to make it the platform for hardcore gamers, then I guess the Mac has that title. :roll:It's true that all real hardcore gamers are linux gamers, or at least linux users.
Let me know when Linux has the same software, hardware, and driver support of Windows, then maybe I'll consider switching platforms.
Petitions are a huge waste of time, in my opinion. Linux is cool and all, but it's much more fun to sell out and go with windows. That way playing the latest games doesn't come down to a software hack.Originally Posted by 1337
PC, one of the funnier things i've read on them is from the author of Autograbber:A friend of mine is a former associate of the Phrozen Crew, which you probably haven't heard of, but they are super expertz. He's a die-hard Linux gamer. I'm an excellent Quake gamer. Probably better than everyone else on the boards, but this guy is way above even me. As a gamer and a computer expert. He says Windows is gay. Anyone who supports Windows is inferior.
"Phrozen Crew is a well known bunch of bastards. Their main goal in this life is to steal money from shareware authors by mass-releasing pirated software. They usually make a small program that modifies a few bytes in a program so that all limitations are removed.
They have never been good enough to crack Audiograbber. Instead, they use the following technique:
1) Purchase an Audiograbber copy (preferably with a stolen credit card number).
2) Download the full version and use a patch program that compares the free and the full version. This creates a huge patch with the differences between the free and the full version. It takes no skill at all to do this, they can as well patch MS Word to become Adobe PhotoShop if they want.
Audiograbber 1.21 had this special unlock method where the full version needed an unlock code for every single computer it is run on. This code was dependent on the hard disk's serial number and could only be calculated from cgi-bin programs on my servers.
This left two new options for Phrozen Crew:
1. Modify the full version so the unlock code wasn't needed. They failed.
2. Disassemble the .exe file and create a key generator. They failed.
After one month they came up with a solution! They released the patch program together with a program where you could manually change your hard disks serial number to BBBB-BBBB! (They had, of course, already gotten an unlock code for that HDD number). How incredibly lame! One month and this is all they achieve!! And they call themselves crackers?
They are thieves, thieves and nothing but thieves!
This proves that they have neither skill nor pride."
And I don't think mh4d Quake S/<][|_|_Z is much to brag about anymore :) Thresh knows his way around the game, but I don't go to him for advice on the sexual orientation of my chosen OS.
220 games? Are we talking since like, 1991 or something? Did they grandfather in a bunch of old dos stuff to get that number?
Greg, you had me almost falling out of my chair with that one. :D
Damn, I thought Qt3 playing possum would have shaken off a few of the trolls...
Hilarious post, 1337. Your dead serious, yet slightly tongue in cheek delivery made it even funnier. That's hard to pull off on the Internet.
Thanks for starting my day with a good laugh.
220 games - 210 versions of tetris.
[quote="Chet"]220 games - 210 versions of tetris.
Thats not fair. There are plenty of Breakout clones that run on Linux. heh
Just to be fair... NWN is coming out with a Linux version alongside the Windows one. Granted, you can't pick up a boxed version that says "For Linux" on it, but they let you download everything OS-specific and then use the data files off the win32 CDRom to fill it in.
The bonus of that is that it IS a much more stable OS for server use, and with a touted 64 client capability, I can see the usefulness of Linux here - just like most other games that need servers (Quake, Halflife...) also come out with Linux server code. There's a reason.
Now, as I type this, I'm working in KPackage trying to update my dusty Redhat install - and having a poor experience of it. I'm no Linux Hax0r or anything, but I get by in it - which is a LOT better than 90% of the computer literate population (Well, the standards of qualification have dropped for that - thanks AOL) Generally speaking, Linux is a pain in the ass but if you enjoy that sort of torment, then it's fun.
I think you raise a good point near the end there. Most of my friends are big on Linux, but not because they use a lot of applications with it. They mainly seem to enjoy setting it up and tweaking it. That's why i don't see myself messing with it anytime soon. I own a computer because i like games. And i don't enjoy doing things on (or to) my computer just for the sake of doing it, i can't stand the damned things.Generally speaking, Linux is a pain in the ass but if you enjoy that sort of torment, then it's fun.
You can tweak windows too. I use litestep instead of the default user interface in Win XP. It's prettier and makes Windows far more usable. But linux is too much for me. I just can't handle hacking .conf files or recomiling my kernal. I've never been able to figure out how to install applications under linux either. Opensource can be the basis for a compelling product, but you have to throw a lot of resouces behind it to compete with MS. More then any of the commercial distros have, or could afford to.
Linux is in use every day at my house: It runs the router/firewall/NAT box that sits between my home LAN and my DSL connection. Most days I don't need to touch it; it just goes. That said, 99 and 44/100% of my work gets done on my Windows XP Pro rig, including the gaming. Why? Because that's where all my decent games and applications live.
Seriously, has the state of affairs really changed that much? I mean, we have Cedega now but Linux still can't run reliably on anything but Nvidia cards and there are still tons of titles that don't get native ports or don't run at all in any method.
Yeah. Haven't been using 64 bit windows for the past 6 months.
Seriously, go to a UE session and then try an tell me there's a chance that Linux will possibly gain inroads.
And that is my shilling for the day. Next!
I'm fine with .conf files, but I'm paranoid about recompiling the kernel. That just sounds like a good way to completely ruin an install. And installing anything that doesn't come with the distro is a ten-lane expressway to required library hell. It's much worse than DLL hell, because the programs don't actually install the things they need. Some libraries, like glibc, physically can't be upgraded.Originally Posted by Brad Grenz
Like other people here, I have a box on my network running Linux which I can telnet and ftp to, but which I don't ever use locally. Windows works to well not to use. It's the difference between buying a 2003 Toyota and a 1984 Chevy; one you get because you need a car, the other you get because you enjoy working on cars.
Haven't had that particular problem (library hell) since I ditched RPM-based distros some time back -- although, that's probably 'cause Debian has pretty much everything in the distro already (one way or another :))Originally Posted by shadarr
Just converted my home machine to Ubuntu last night, though -- best desktop/workstation Linux distro EVAR! (ubuntu == debian for pragmatists)
Still have a WinXP partition for gaming, though, 'cause gaming on Linux is pointless (unless you really really like your games slow and unreliable).
I have an ATI card , and sadly I bought Cedega before I realized ATI support was shite. Of course ATI released a new driver April, so I might give it a whirl when I have nothing at all to do. But for now not really.
If there aren't even 64-bit Windows versions of games, how can we expect Linux? Too much. I hope Epic releases a non-demo 64-bit of UT2004 soon :).
Linux may be good at a lot of things, but gaming ain't one of them.
Wow this thread arose from its grave.
I love the Ubuntu as well. If you don't mind spending some cash and want a 4-click install linux that rocks very cooperatively with windows, Xandros is hot too. Nice thing about Xandros is that it has crossoffice installed - so my machine is running Photoshop7 and various other win32 apps with no effort, no config.
Also, if you want to learn hardcore badass linux then fiddle with Gentoo. You have to compile everything. Don't try it on a PC with wireless networking though or you'll rip your hair out. But if you learn best by total immersion, that's the way to go... their tutorials take you every step through installing, compiling your kernel, and every command. Yes, you compile EVERYTHING. Takes many hours. The beauty is that every executable is custom tailored to run on YOUR machine, and not the "least common denominator" 486. Can give a 20-40% performance boost.
Or - you could do what I'm doing, and buy an eMac.
I keep hearing that about Gentoo -- "It takes DAYS to get everything compiled and ready to go, but it's fast as heck once it's set!" I'll take a slight performance hit and start working now, thanks :)Originally Posted by *IX*Aszurom
That, and it's not all that hard-core, really -- Gentoo: "emerge xorg-x11", Debian: "apt-get install xorg-x11" (well, if xorg was in Debian, that is). Both are about equally easy to type, it's just that one takes about fifteen minutes to download, configure, and install, and the other takes as long to download, but needs another thirteen hours to compile afterwards.
But, yeah, I'll be getting a 17" PowerBook at the office soon to act as my primary machine, so I hear you :)
Compiling the whole distro are for those that think they are cool. I for one would rather install the package and get my work done instead of wasting an hour trying to compile something everytime I need to download a package.
yum or apt-get is all you need.
<< I use Fedora Core 3
Damn straight.Originally Posted by Igor Murashkin
20% to 40% improvement my ass by putting a -march=686? Gee, yeah, that would help if you were comparing it to a distribution that still defaults to i386 binaries, which is like, what, Debian stable or something?
"Customized for my machine". Funny stuff.
Now only if the IT guy at work didn't think that it would help -- he pointed at the screen and went "look! I'm using Gentoo and see, I'm OMITTING FRAME POINTERS!!!1111"
I think he was kidding though. I hope.
Debian's pretty slick though -- I was very impressed on how Debian Stable (Linux from.... the far reaches of past!)it installed on the El Bizarro PowerPC (no keyboard, no mouse, no floppy, no video, no cd rom drive, no BIOS, no shirt, no shoes, no service) board I had. Well, that was once I fought the machine to the point where I had the Debian rescue disk running with a kernel stored in flash memory and the rescue disk running over TFTP from a different machine.
A few dozen apt-get install's later, poof, I had my system running. I started with "apt-get install vncserver", and that took a while, but after that... wow, it was like all there, straight out of 2003, which was ok.
edit: And then I installed checkers on it. All must worship me, the hardcore gamer.
I run UT2004 in Ubuntu without any aid program.
Will you yahoos take this distro penis fight to the Hardware and technical stuff forum where it belongs?
I think Epic is one of two companies that ship binaries a few months after the Windows release of their titles, the other being id. A few random games also get native ports via icculus as well.
Huh? You just end up with another kernel that you can select (or not) from your bootloader. It isn't like you can only have one version.Originally Posted by shadarr
I installed SuSE Linux 9.1 on my laptop so my 9 years old sister can play Frozen Bubbles.