Reply With QuoteOh, fuck Star Trek.
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I'm fresh out of seeing the first showing of this movie at the local theater, and I was unpleasantly surprised to see no humans in Trek costumes. About half of the audience appeared to be Trekkies.
The movie was mildly entertaining, but it failed to do anything exciting. The action scenes were lukewarm (poorly directed), many plot elements were cliche. The action scenes took up so much time there wasn't much left for political manuvering or anything but the shallowest plot developments.
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Even the emotional power of killing off Data was reduced severely by having the movie create a built-in replacement, B4.
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You'd think with the supposed LAST movie for this crew they would pull out all the stops. Surprises should have adorned this film. This film has no excuses for its moderation.
Maybe they wanted to leave the door open for just one more movie with this cast (which they can market as the REALLY Final Journey), depending of course on how well this does at the box office.
This lame horse should be put down.
Oh, fuck Star Trek.
ROFL.
Believe me, the producers and creative forces, Berman and Braga, are doing just that and have been for years now.Oh, fuck Star Trek.
Abysmal. Absolutely ludicrous plotting.
Koontz must have seen some kind of Cliff's Notes version, because there certainly was plenty of screen time with no action, just Picard talking to the Picardlet.
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Was the script writer even trying? So the entire Romulan Senate is assassinated, and the Romulan military then allows a human clone backed by a bunch of cheesy Nosferatu ripoffs rule their planet? On the promise of attacking the Federation? Er, couldn't they do that themselves? And as far as obliterating life on earth, seems a Warbird, a tractor beam and a good sized asteroid could take care of that mighty handily.
And how did the Picardlet and Remans manage to build the most advanced, powerful, and deadly starship in history undiscovered, on what's essentially a mining slave planet, under the noses of their Romulan oppressors?
The two moments which might have at least elicited shock were spoiled beforehand:
Picard ramming the other ship might have elicited a "oh, cool," if it hadn't been shown in every preview.
And Data's death was no great shock given the fact that Spiner's been running around for about four years saying that the best way to handle Data aging would be to have him die heroically. (And boy, is B4 a cop-out...)
I could go on, but why bother...
I was actually looking forward to this movie. And I'm not one to really slam Trek films... I grew up watching syndicated episodes of the original Trek, and flaws aside I've enjoyed most of the movies. Plenty to nitpick, of course, but this one ranks with Star Trek V as one of the only Trek movies I haven't enjoyed at least somehwat. And Trek V at least had the "train wreck" factor. This one was just very, very poorly written.
By Star Trek standards, even.
What compensation does Tom receive for that?Originally Posted by Kyle Wilson
No, it just seemed like plenty because those scenes as well were mediocre. I think the basic problem there came from the writing, and as I already mentioned the directing was also quite weak.
It seems like Hollywood is getting to the point where a movie is either an Action movie or a Story movie. Combining the two is proving to be legendarily difficult for the moviemakers of today.
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What was the point of killing Data, then ending with Picard smiling about him not really being dead as upbeat music plays... We're supposed to mourn for five minutes for this guy who basically had no characterization in the movie beyond singing an Irving Berlin song, then rejoice that his death was essentially meaningless. They have a backup copy. He jumps across space to save the day, but we're given little insight into why he would do so. They leave that to the TV show reruns, I guess.
By the way, didn't a third or so of the final episode of the Next GenerationTV show take place in the far future, where Data is shown as alive and well, living in retirement? Oops.
Ah, but that was a timeline that was modified by the resolution of the final episode!
Star Trek is hopeless, yes.
Anyway, it seems impossible to make a movie that would work. What worked about the TV show was that an hour could be devoted to fleshing out/developing a single character, or the relationship between two characters. In the movies, they have to make gestures towards including the entire cast, but end up shafting everyone but Picard and Data anyway. And even then, they don't seem to be able to add anything to the characters that wasn't already in the show, because the plots always revolve around hammy villains out to destroy the universe. The TV show could devote an episode to Picard reuniting with his family, or someone's abuse of the holodeck, or what have you. The movies don't take those kind of risks because they're trying to replicate the success of Wrath of Khan over and over.
The most painful part of this movie was definitely the "oh we'd better give Riker and Troi something to do" part of the plot. Ugh. So one of the Remans is mental rapist? Huh? How random was that?
I also liked how Picard unsympathetically, emotionlessly tells Troi -- sorry, I need you to hang in there and go through a lot more psychic rapes for the good of the mission.
I haven't seen the movie, but it can't possibly be more entertaining than watching Wil Wheaton hysterically implode over not being invited to the premiere of Nemesis. Or actually, being invited to a premiere set up in someone's garage which none of the cast is going to attend. After having all of his scenes cut from the movie. I've kicked little boys as hard as I could in the testicles (after they stole 20 cents from me) and seen them act more manly than this.
The comments from the Wil Wheaton sycophant brigade are great too:
Just one little suggestion, Wil, if I may: Get yourself a copy of Yanni's most recent CD, "If I Could Tell You." It was recorded some time after his breakup with actress Linda Evans, and its music was unavoidably shaped to some extent by the emotions he felt in the aftermath. While I'm sure it would be a change from what you normally listen to, sometimes change is good, both musically and emotionally. Listening to Yanni's music on this particular CD might--just might--help you to begin picking up the pieces and moving on after this injury you've suffered.
Peace, my friend, and take care! God bless!
Hmm, reading the spoilers, sounds like Nemesis at least sounds more dramatic and interesting than the Star Wars prequels. I'll wait for Two Towers Wednesday. WEDNESDAY FOLKS!
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I also loved how they reassembled the other android, didn't question the peculiar "extra ROM chip," and then left it alone in a room with computer terminals. Uh, hello, LORE, anyone? The other earlier prototype of Data, the evil one who made alliances with a giant man-eating space crystal and the BORG? And not even a throwaway line about Lore?
I've never held a great fondness for Next Gen anyway... Perhaps 15 really good episodes out of 7 seasons, and the ludicrous concepts of kids on the ship, Wesley Crusher as the next level of human evolution who just needed an indian spirit guide to show him the way (yet he could still descend back down to human level to attend Riker & Troi's wedding), etc. But in general the Next Gen movies have been a step above all but the best of the series. Not this one.
As for Two Towers... I haven't even been able to find the 3 hours to watch my DVD yet. The combo of a writing job and an 11-week-old is deadly to lengthy endeavors...
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My friend's birthday was yesterday and he wanted to go, so I got roped in. I mean, fuck Star Trek and all, but I probably would have seen it at some point anyway.
For a while there I thought they were going to make this TNGs STIV, with all the cheesy humor. Then it turned into a combination of Wrath of Khan, The Undiscovered Country, and some left over Bond action scenes.
Star Trek X: Nemesis, starring (in order of appearance):
- Spock's Mind Meld With McCoy as Data Downloading His Memories to B4
The Klingon Ship That Can Fire When Cloaked as The Romulan Ship That Can Fire When Cloaked
The Genesis Device as Some Other Thing That Can Wipe Out a Planet
The Big Blind Fight in a Nebula That Looked Pretty as The Big Blind Fight in a Rift That Looked Pretty
That Part in Six Where They Rig a Torpedo to Sniff Out the Cloaked Ship as The Part Where Deana Uses Some Mental Bullshit to Find the Cloaked Ship
Spock's Death as Data's Death
Too bad for Wil, though, that poor bastard. I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that he "hysterically imploded", though, at least from the link DrCrypt provides. The guy's just hurt, and why shouldn't he be?
So, when I was in high school watching TNG, my sister and her friends would tell me I was a geek and that it was "stupid". It just doesn't seem fair that they were right. They watched 90210, dammit, what could they know? Then again, the Flaming Lips never guest-starred on TNG.
I take it all that talk about making Deep Space Nine or Voyager movies is probably all dead and gone? I hope so, at least.
Also, Wil Wheaton is drafting so hard on his former "success" nowadays its actually pretty sad to see. Seeing the life of a former child star in all its pathetic, attention-needy glory is more than I can stomach -- I stopped reading his blog a week after he started it. Sounds like he's still complaining about the same old shit.
Actually, Wil Wheaton is a co-host over at G4TV network... a show about video games. So, don't diss your peers.
That Wil Wheaton stuff is funny. First they cut his scenes and then they didn't invite him to the premiere? That's just too funny. I liked his description of his feelings when he realized he wasn't invited to the premiere:
"That feeling I have gotten so many times before, when I was the only cast member not asked up on stage at the 25th anniversary party, when I was the only cast member not recognized at the screening of "All Good Things..." begins to well up. I feel a little sick."
It sounds like Wil hasn't been getting the subtle hints Paramount has been dropping.
I don't understand why they would invite an actor who wasn't even in the movie to the premiere, anyway. Paramount didn't invite me to the Star Trek premier either, and Wil Wheaton and I both have just as much screen-time in the film.
He is in the film. All his lines were cut, but he's sitting at the table at the wedding reception and is in a number of shots.
Wow, I decided to actually check out the DrCrypt link -- I had no idea the legions of rabid fans he had. I kept looking for some naysayer or person still connected with reality to appear in the comments, but no luck.
Apparently he's now on the "Board of Advisors" of Damage Studios, which first game is a MMORPG called Rekonstruction. Hmm.
So he was an extra, in other words. I can see both sides. As a former cast member of the series appearing on camera, sure, invite him. As an extra without any lines in the movie who's likely to go to the premiere and preen and wave to the crowd like an actual star of the movie, avoid that by not inviting him.He is in the film. All his lines were cut, but he's sitting at the table at the wedding reception and is in a number of shots.
It so was not.
Well. It was certainly less of a disappointment than the Star Wars prequels in most opinions I'd imagine. I think a direct "better than" judgement isn't worth fighting over.
You people who didn't like it are out of your minds. It was better than the rest of 'em, albeit not as good as KHAN!!!!
It was a ripoff of previous elements, but a good one.
Huh?I also liked how Picard unsympathetically, emotionlessly tells Troi -- sorry, I need you to hang in there and go through a lot more psychic rapes for the good of the mission.
Troi: "I wanna be relieved of duty"
Picard: "Tough, I need you vulnerable to brain-rape so you can aid the mission"
You don't remember that little exchange?
She says she wants to be relieved of duty because she's "become a liability," because Shizon might mindfuck her into shooting something, I guess. Picard tells her more or less not to worry about it, that he has "confidence" in her.
Are you splitting nose hairs, Jason?
You admit what I described took place, but object to my characterization of "unsympathetic," is that yer point?
I don't get it!
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