So what needs to happen before you two actually get worried?
Something worth getting upset over. Something real, not just a "Person with horrible quality X and evil agenda Y is in office, watch out!" type thing.Originally Posted by Jason McCullough
Iraq concerns me, and I sincerely hope we'll start doing better on that. Economic issues concern me, and again I'd hope america improves on that too. However, a little historical perspective tells me things are pretty darn rosy compared to some of the low points of american history as a whole.
Well, THAT makes me feel much better.Something worth getting upset over. Something real, not just a "Person with horrible quality X and evil agenda Y is in office, watch out!" type thing.
Iraq concerns me, and I sincerely hope we'll start doing better on that. Economic issues concern me, and again I'd hope america improves on that too. However, a little historical perspective tells me things are pretty darn rosy compared to some of the low points of american history as a whole.
"Not even The Bush Administration can severely fuck up America in four years"!
So... lets go for eight! Its like playing Russian Roulette. When the gun goes "click", wow, the whole thing is "not worth getting upset over"... lets go another round!
Laws passed. Rulings overturned. Amendments repealed. Martial law. Manditory religions. Something actually happening.
Some appointments, business-as-usual political wrangling, and some spouting off at the mouth by soem dope wanting to make a scene on one of the Sunday shows is minor.
Like Nick, the war concerns me more than anything right now. Colin Powell out and Rumsfeld still in concerns me.
I am seriously concerned about how easy it is to get into this nation through Mexico - terrorists, drug traffickers, deported criminals bouncing right back over, desperate Mexicans dying trying to cross the desert, and the pitiful and corrupt Mexican government/police force which allow and encourage and support much of this. I do not blame the one's who are coming for monetary gain. I think some kind of guest worker program should be worked out, but its the others that are committing crime, burdening our public systems (health/police/etc.), and possible terrorists which concern me.
Amen.
The biggest "something actually happening" recently that concerns me is all the states passing anti-gay marriage laws. But we can't pin that one on the Bush administration, that's the will of the people speaking.
"I'll wait until something bad happens before I worry about the possibility of something bad happening" doesn't have a very good track record.
All together now: Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwack. bawck!
Ditto for paranoia.
So you're literally going to sit there until Roe is overturned?
You say this like you think getting paranoid and upset can change things.
Theoretically, if all the ambivalent people had voted against Bush the election would have turned out differently.
In theory. In practice, not so much.
Also, note that voting does not equal getting all paranoid and upset.
Yes. In practice, more people acted like you.
Huh?
Jason, it's reality check time. We are debating politics on the internet. We are both just sitting here. I'm objecting to your method of debating politics, not your politics (I suspect we largely agree on that). You seem to have this idea that catastrophe lurks around every corner as long as Bush as in the white house. I don't like the guy, but I think the paranoia is unfounded, absurd, and severely impairs the possibility of rational discussion of the issues.
It is like Nick and I are the same person. :)Huh?
Jason, it's reality check time. We are debating politics on the internet. We are both just sitting here. I'm objecting to your method of debating politics, not your politics (I suspect we largely agree on that). You seem to have this idea that catastrophe lurks around every corner as long as Bush as in the white house. I don't like the guy, but I think the paranoia is unfounded, absurd, and severely impairs the possibility of rational discussion of the issues.
If it looked like the overturning of Roe v. Wade was approaching or if legislation was being proposed that affected any of these issues we are worried about, then I would definitely be more vocal and I guess that means railing on the internet in this case.
There are plenty of worries with the turnover in the administration's staff, but the possible direction that may result in some form of legislation that could be probposed and then has a small chance of passing is not anywhere on the radar for me.
This fascinates me, because I'm a *moderate* on "Bush is incompetent." The only really fatal thing I think he's doing is purging the CIA; the rest is just really annoying.Huh?
Jason, it's reality check time. We are debating politics on the internet. We are both just sitting here. I'm objecting to your method of debating politics, not your politics (I suspect we largely agree on that). You seem to have this idea that catastrophe lurks around every corner as long as Bush as in the white house. I don't like the guy, but I think the paranoia is unfounded, absurd, and severely impairs the possibility of rational discussion of the issues.
Does everything I claim will happen have to before its not paranoia anymore? Is predicting Iraq's trajectory correctly not enough to get me some respect?
I"m not sure what this is supposed to mean, but I believe there were record numbers of voters this election.
Bawk!This fascinates me, because I'm a *moderate* on "Bush is incompetent." The only really fatal thing I think he's doing is purging the CIA; the rest is just really annoying.Huh?
Jason, it's reality check time. We are debating politics on the internet. We are both just sitting here. I'm objecting to your method of debating politics, not your politics (I suspect we largely agree on that). You seem to have this idea that catastrophe lurks around every corner as long as Bush as in the white house. I don't like the guy, but I think the paranoia is unfounded, absurd, and severely impairs the possibility of rational discussion of the issues.
Does everything I claim will happen have to before its not paranoia anymore? Is predicting Iraq's trajectory correctly not enough to get me some respect?
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