Cee-Dee Player Thread

[Met_K]

Seeing as how it's an old usenet past-time to have monthly cd/album player threads, I figured I'd start one here.

The Smashing Pumpkins - Rotten Apples (Judas 0 B-Sides disc)
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
Pink Floyd - Animals
Tool - Lateralus
David Bowie - Heathen

Rotten Apples' features a b-sides disc called Judas 0 which features b-sides ranging from their earliest works up until songs off of their internet-only released Machina II. Favorite song off this disc is either Aeroplane Flies High or Lucky 13.

In Absentia is the latest release from a progressive band that hails from England. Porcupine Tree was formed by a man named Steve Wilson, formerly of No Man fame. Originally formed as a fake band via Spinal Tap, the band's demos took off and it came to be. Nowadays, Wilson is delving heavily into metal, and while still heavily progressive and psychadelic in nature, the new album is chalked full of metal goodness that is more metal than half of America's mainstream releases of the past decade.

The Pink Floyd selection on that list speaks for itself. Greatest. Extended Piece. Album. Ever.

Tool's Lateralus is the embodyment of progressive/art-rock perfection. Five years in the making? Nope. Only one. And it was damn well worth the wait.

And lastly, David Bowie's new album Heather. More guest artists than a WTC benefit concert, Bowie's back in stride with his latest album with Brian Eno. Not going to change the world, but it's definitely Bowie's best since Scary Monsters.

And there's a very -small- lowdown on what I'm listening to by my standards. Enjoy.

[Wholly Schmidt]

Yay for Smashing Pumpkins. Anyway, I haven't listened to a CD in a long time as I ripped them all to mp3. The playlist right now is the Cowboy Bebop OST.

[Tyjenks]

I am afraid to post what all I am listening to as I am sure the self stylized music elite here at Qt3 (read: this thread's originator :wink: ) will flay me without mercy. So I will start out slowly:

Silverchair's Diorama

They have moved away from the angry Australians bitching about the capitalist pigs of the US and everpresent oppression throughout the world in favor of syrupy ballads. I miss their pissy moods, but I love the CD. I have always enjoyed John's --damn I went blank on his last name-- voice and it has gotten better with age. I cannot really explain it, however, I am reminded of my Squeeze and Crowded House days. I usually like loud and uptempo. Occasionally, a singer's voice wins me over and it really does not matter what the song is; I just like it.

[Met_K]

I am afraid to post what all I am listening to as I am sure the self stylized music elite here at Qt3 (read: this thread's originator :wink: ) will flay me without mercy. So I will start out slowly:

Silverchair's Diorama

They have moved away from the angry Australians bitching about the capitalist pigs of the US and everpresent oppression throughout the world in favor of syrupy ballads. I miss their pissy moods, but I love the CD. I have always enjoyed John's --damn I went blank on his last name-- voice and it has gotten better with age. I cannot really explain it, however, I am reminded of my Squeeze and Crowded House days. I usually like loud and uptempo. Occasionally, a singer's voice wins me over and it really does not matter what the song is; I just like it.

No way I would never flog you (well, I would flog you, but we both know it'd be good for both of us) for liking that CD. Diorama is just damn good. They have the vocal harmonies down perfect, and the ballads are great. I miss them playing the 'hard rock' pieces as well, but hey, there's always live shows, right?

And I can let their mellowing slide. After all, the guy's got cancer, and that's just nothing fun to deal with.

Like I said earlier, the cd is damn good, and a great choice to buy. Chevelle are basically the American version of Silverchair, and you can already tell they're going in the same direction, good times all around.

Edit: Oh, and if anyone wants to take a look at a review I wrote for the Porcupine Tree for the amazon.com listing, take a peak here: http://home1.gte.net/res0icp4/iareview.html

Not trying to shamelessly plug myself, as I already know I'll never have a career in journalism. :)

[Gordon Cameron]

What's in my CD player right now? Schubert's Symphonies #3 and 9, St. Louis Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Hans Vonk. Also Elton John's Greatest Hits. I just took out the soundtrack to "Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence" by Ryuichi Sakamoto, and the Beatles' Abbey Road.

[Chris]

The last few CDs I bought have been the remastered Secret Treaties from Blue Oyster Cult, the Geoff Tate (Queensryche's vocalist) solo album, the soundtrack to the Buffy Musical, Elvis' 30 #1 Hits and the Rolling Stones' 40 licks compilation. I really liked the Blue Oyster Cult cd, for some reason I've been in a classic rock kinda mode and picked it up after playing Deep Purple's greatest hits for a month. I really wish there was some decent new hard rock/metal, I'm not wild about the endless screaming of the vocalist on a lot of the new stuff these days. On a related note, I'm really looking forward to seeing what Axel Rose will be doing on the Guns N' Roses tour this year. He has never had the best voice for a live show but I won't miss a chance to see him on stage one more time.

[Tyjenks]

Chevelle are basically the American version of Silverchair, and you can already tell they're going in the same direction, good times all around.

I bought Chevelle's last CD after loving their very Tool-esque first single on that album and was dissapointed. The rest of the album seemed like fairly average skater/punk stuff. After having heard their new single, "The Red", I am probably going to dust it off and give them a second chance.

Back to Silverchair. Every band on the planet, given ten years of existence or so, eventually stumble through B'ham, AL. Silverchair has not and after Anorexia and Cancer, I fear they may not. DAniel Johns!!!!! Now, I remember his name.

OOps! quittin' time. WIll continue at a later date.

[nife2o4]

I have 600 songs in WinAmp at work and a 50 disc player at home, so this is a small fraction of what I'm listening to:

AC/DC
ABBA
Alice Cooper
Aqua
Bloodhound Gang
Castlevania Symphony of the Night OST
Cheap Trick
Enya
Enigma
Everclear
Golden Earring
Johnny Cash
Marilyn Manson
NIN
Pure Disco 1 & 2
Ramones
Reverend Horton Heat
Toadies
Vampire The Masquerade: Redemption ST

I could keep going for another 100 or so bands, but this is more than enough for now. My musical tastes end up covering just about the entire spectrum.

-Trevor

[Tyjenks]

Toadies
-Trevor

Is that the new CD? Is it comparable to their debut approx. 74 years ago?

Which I still listen to, btw.

[nife2o4]

nah...it's still just the Toadies debut CD for me too. I haven't heard their new stuff yet.

-Trevor

[Met_K]

The new cd was okay. The Toadies were really cool guys, I've met them at least two dozen times seeing as how they're from Denton (a suburb of Dallas). The problem was that they didn't really seem to know how-to handle all the exposure they were given, and they just sort of fell apart.

Seven years to record a new cd is horrendous. Seven years to record a new cd only to have it be second-rate as opposed to your first cd is even worse. It's really sad, they had chemistry, and they were really fun on stage. I guess the good times just stopped rolling for 'em.

[Anonymous]

Frank Black & the Catholics - Dog in the Sand
Kristin Hersh - Sunny Border Blue
Electronic - Twisted Tenderness
Beautiful South - Painting It Red
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
In the Nursery - Man With a Movie Camera
Throwing Muses - Limbo
Leonard Cohen - The Future
Sisters of Mercy - Floodland
Wolfgang Press - Bird Wood Cage
Shriekback - Oil and Gold
Curve - Cuckoo
Fatima Mansions - Viva Dead Ponies
Swans - The Burning World
Dessau - Exercise in Tension
Warren Zevon - Sentimental Hygiene

[Sparky]

The last few CDs I bought have been the remastered Secret Treaties from Blue Oyster Cult, the Geoff Tate (Queensryche's vocalist) solo album

Aww, Secret Treaties is my favorite BOC album. Is the Geoff Tate thing any good? I gave up on him, and Queensryche in general, after he cut his hair (not that there was any special magical talent lurking in his hair).

[DennyA]

BOC was the first group I collected an entire discography on.

Albums, of course.

Circa 1981... Music that was perfect for a 15-year-old geek. Sci-fi themes, Me-262s, etc., and good guitar.

Currently on the ripped-from-the-CD-I-bought-legally-last-week playlist is Joan Osborne's new album. A great listen -- anyone who can take James Taylor's worst song and make it listenable is okay in my book.

(Anyone who associates Joan with the abysmal "What if God was One of Us" should check out her "Early Recordings" CD. Or listen to the rest of Relish.)

[Anonymous]

"Anyone who associates Joan with the abysmal "What if God was One of Us" should check out her "Early Recordings" CD. Or listen to the rest of Relish.)"

No, I associate that song with the guys from The Hooters who wrote it. Joan can't write anywhere near their level, which is why I tossed the album and downloaded an MP3 of that single instead.

I would fuck Joan, though, if she was interested.

ICQ me, Joannie!

[Anonymous]

Beck - Sea Change... the boy's depressed

And of course Sleater-Kinney - One Beat, which is a typically brilliant work from wumpus' favorite band.

Is the new Queens of the Stone Age CD any good? Mark Lanegan sings on some tracks, and since he's the greatest rawk vocalist in the world right now, I was thinking of checking it out.

[Anonymous]

"And of course Sleater-Kinney - One Beat, which is a typically brilliant work from wumpus' favorite band."

I lived in a dorm room directly above the lead singer of that band in college. Never talked to her because she seemed very serious and intimidating.

Oh, well.

[wumpus]

If it's any consolation, my wife bought that Sleater-Kinney album. It still sucks.

As for me, you'll get my Kylie Minogue "Fever" album when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands.

[GMicek]

Nonpoint - Development
Faith No More - Real Thing
Polysics - Hey! Bob! My Friend!
Modest Mouse - Lonesome Crowded West
Lauryn Hill - Unplugged
GWAR - Violence Has Arrived

[Bub, Andrew]

Just took a 10 hour round trip driving vacation. Here's the new stuff bought for the trip:

Bob Dylan - Time out of Mind & "Love & Theft"
Bruce Springsteen - The Rising (just saw the concert too btw) & Born to Run
Tom Waits - Blood Money & Rain Dogs
KD Lang - Shadowlands

*All of these CDs were purchased because of MP3 piracy (except the Springsteen)

MetK. I've been thinking about getting Heathen. I've liked what I've downloaded.

[voltaic]

My mp3 "playing often" list, ripped at 256/44 from my CDs:

The Smiths - Louder Than Bombs
A Perfect Circle - Mer De Noms
Eminem - The Eminem Show (only the first half)
Soundtrack to Jet Set Radio Future
Soundtrack to Rez
Anti-Flag - A New Kind of Army
Boyz2Men - Cooleyhighharmony
Tool - Lateralus
Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
Rage Against The Machine - Battle of Los Angeles
The Beatles - 1

[Met_K]

MetK. I've been thinking about getting Heathen. I've liked what I've downloaded.

Heathen is a very, very good album. Like I said, it has alot of guest stars on it. Most notably would be Pete Townshend. I'm probably a little biased, since I've been a huge fan of Bowie's since birth practically, and The Who are one of my most closely-held treasures. Pete's playing was one of the main reasons I ever even got into playing guitar.

But back to the point: It's classic Bowie, no other way about it. He's at his peak almost better than he was when doing Scary Monsters. There's Ziggy numbers here, Eno numbers here, just about everything. This isn't a Never Let Me Down, though, and it never comes close to being cheesy like Let's Dance.

The best way to sum it up is really to say that it's the first real Bowie album in 20 years. Sure, I like Tin Machine, Earthling, and all that, but it's not classic. It's more like Bowie experimenting and figuring out if he likes new trends or not. Heathen shows that he can still do his old stuff and be fun, too.

[Bub, Andrew]

I really, really, like "I will be your Slave"*
*may not be actual title
I'm a Bowie fan too. I'm sad this album is getting so little attention.

[Met_K]

I really, really, like "I will be your Slave"*
*may not be actual title
I'm a Bowie fan too. I'm sad this album is getting so little attention.

Yeah, I Would Be Your Slave is a really good song. As is I Took A Trip On A Gemini Spaceship, which is about as electronic as the album gets. Really fucking good song, though. It's Ziggy mixed with what Bowie's learned in the last 20 years. Reaaaally good. Heh.

And so am I (so little attention). I actually tried frantically to get ahold of Bowie during his show on VH1 when they had callers call in. That was a really neat thing. He seemed a bit tired, but that surely didn't take away from his performance. As always, top notch band playing with him, too. I've been giving the album high praise to everyone who comes in the store and looks like they might be interested in buying something classic or psychadelic or the likes.

I'd really be interested in seeing what pushed Bowie to suddenly calling up Eno and being excited about making an album like this again. It really is a departure from what he has been making. Welcome departure, but still a departure nonetheless.

[GMicek]

Just took a 10 hour round trip driving vacation. Here's the new stuff bought for the trip:

Bruce Springsteen - The Rising (just saw the concert too btw) & Born to

MetK. I've been thinking about getting Heathen. I've liked what I've downloaded.

Best Springsteen album ever? Nebraska, no question(at least in my mind). Maybe not the best roadtrip music, but definately great.

[Met_K]

Nebraska is a damn good album. Best collection of demos ever.

And Bruce is a just plain brilliant writer. Not only did he manage to get progressive purists cheering, he really struck a nerve with mainstream rock with that and his following/preceeding albums. Damn good musician with a damn good band.

Would love to see Bruce and E-Street this year. Unfortunately, I'm not about to pay what they're asking to see 'em.

[Anonymous]

Just to further annoy everyone with tales of my life in college living next door to the lead singer from Sleater-Kinney.

Partially contributing to the impression that I got that the lead singer was too intense and serious to approach:

I went to see her in her first band, Heavens to Betsy (which was a duo of bass and drums, if I'm remembering correctly), and most of the set was this screaming epic song about how pissed off she was by the patriarchy's shaming her for having a period. It was like an epic tone poem about menstruation and how men are evil for making women feel bad about having a period, which was screamed as she pounded notes on the bass and the drummer trundled along dutifully after.

All I can say is she sure worked her ass off to become a better performer/songwriter since those early shrill days as a junior Yoko Ono. So, count your blessings Wumpus. Your wife could have bought a Heavens To Betsy album instead.

[Miramon]

Well, the last two CDs I've listened to have been South Park Chef Aid album, and Threebrain's Albert Christmas Squirrel.

The former is actually a pretty cool collection of random kinds of music, some of which are silly South Park things, others of which are from a weird variety other artists and have little to do with South Park. There is a Ozzy Osbourne/Crystal Method/Some-other-DJ track to start things off just for an example of the weirdness of the mix, plus things from some Clash-wannabe group, Devo (pretty decent Devo, actually). a fair dollop of Isaac Hayes, and lots of others, including a long Cartman-Karaoke version of his favorite song, plus a funny South Park medley thing at the end.

The latter is from the guys who made http://www.threebrain.com/weeeeee.shtml which is pretty funny; however this is a seriously disturbed album, which might put you at considerable psychological risk if you listen to it too much.

Hm, and let's see, at this moment I have Neil Young Trans from what 1980 or so queued up to hear. This is extremely atypical Neil Young with a lot of Vocoder or otherwise weirdly filtered vocals, more synth and electronic than you'd expect in a typical Neil Young album, and various cyberpunk-ish songs (from before cyberpunk was invented!) and a few of his old standards for no apparent reason.

[Miramon]

BOC was the first group I collected an entire discography on.

They're cool! I mean, Michael Moorcock lyrics from the 70s, what more could you want :D So people say they are juvenile and pretentious, so what! I'm juvenile and pretentious, too!

The more or less still existent BOC has released a couple of new albums in the last couple of years which are actually pretty good. I particularly like the recent Heaven Forbid album which I think is better than their latest Curse of the Hidden Mirror.

[Chris]

Is the Geoff Tate thing any good?

Hey Sparky, I too am a fan of the Ryche pre-haircut. I only listened to the first half of Geoff solo album so far, the main reason is that it's been all slow songs and I like my music up tempo for the most part. I'll give the rest of it a spin and see how it is.

Just for posterity, I think Operation:Mindcrime is Quuensryche's best album.

[Bub, Andrew]

Is the Geoff Tate thing any good? I gave up on him, and Queensryche in general, after he cut his hair (not that there was any special magical talent lurking in his hair).

Or in the band.

I'm going to vote against Queensryche especially for the sake of posterity. Never has a band so epitomized exactly what people hate about prog rock. And you're hearing this from a Yes fan.

[Kalle]

What I listen too at the moment...

T.O.K

Daddy Boastin'

N*E*R*D - The original version of their "In Search Of..." album, not the crappy re-relased "lets have some crappy metal band mangle it all" version.

Bob Marley - The live version of "No Woman No Cry" is probably the best song ever.

Aaliyah

I have 800+ songs converted to MP3's. When my stereo broke down I didn't even care. Just made me wish my computer speakers were a bit beefier.

[Sparky]

Currently playing:

Social Distortion - White Light, White Heat, White Trash
Tin Machine - Tin Machine
Crack The Sky - Crack Attic
Genesis - Wind And Wuthering
Iggy Pop - Blah Blah Blah
Devo - Oh No, It's Devo
Stiff Little Fingers - Inflammable Material
Talking Heads - Remain In Light

[Jason McCullough]

Is the Geoff Tate thing any good?

Hey Sparky, I too am a fan of the Ryche pre-haircut. I only listened to the first half of Geoff solo album so far, the main reason is that it's been all slow songs and I like my music up tempo for the most part. I'll give the rest of it a spin and see how it is.

Just for posterity, I think Operation:Mindcrime is Quuensryche's best album.

Who doesn't?

[Dave Long]

Did anyone else see Queensryche on the Empire tour when they did Mindcrime in its entirety? What a great show.

Listening...

Isle of Q
Halford - Crucible
Stone Temple Pilots - all albums...mainly No.4 though.
Soundgarden - A Sides
Judas Priest - Whatever's closest by
Filter - Title of Record
Electric Love Hogs

--Dave

[Anonymous]

I don't know if thats the same song you are talking about on the chefaid CD, but the "clash" wanna be may really be the clash, or at least 1/2 of it. there is a song by joe strummer on it called its a rockin world and he really did song in the clash. the other singing half was mick jones and he went on to do big audio dynamite.
Huong

[Met_K]

Currently playing:

Social Distortion - White Light, White Heat, White Trash
Tin Machine - Tin Machine
Crack The Sky - Crack Attic
Genesis - Wind And Wuthering
Iggy Pop - Blah Blah Blah
Devo - Oh No, It's Devo
Stiff Little Fingers - Inflammable Material
Talking Heads - Remain In Light

Your playlist reads like something out of High Fidelity. I bow to the mastah!

[Chris]

A lot of folks on the Queensryche boards list Rage for Order for their favorite album Jason.

Geoff's solo album is not my cup of tea, I tried to listen to the whole thing today but just couldn't do it, reminds me too much of Yes....

[Sparky]

Did anyone else see Queensryche on the Empire tour when they did Mindcrime in its entirety?

Yup! And another vote for Operation:Mindcrime as their best album. Sorry, Met K, my affection for Queensryche most likely cancels out any Championship Vinyl cred I might have.

[Met_K]

Yup! And another vote for Operation:Mindcrime as their best album. Sorry, Met K, my affection for Queensryche most likely cancels out any Championship Vinyl cred I might have.

I like Operation: Mindcrime.

It was a fantastic album made by alien Queensryche robot look-alikes. Once finished, packaged, and sent out to record stores, the aliens quickly realized their plan would falter because of how pretentious the album would be once the progressive rock wave had been kicked.

Letting the human band come out of cryo-stasis, the robots quickly abandoned the band and let the real Queensryche come back to Earth. Quite a failure that move turned out to be.

But the robots did find a home. Ever wonder why Metallica started sucking?

[Anonymous]

They started sucking once you got off the crack pipe.

[Anonymous]

Coincidence?

[Sparky]

I tried to listen to the whole thing today but just couldn't do it, reminds me too much of Yes....

Watch out now...I can wield this vinyl copy of Relayer like that metal starfish thingie* in Krull.


*Yeah, I know it's technically called a glaive, but I'm trying very hard to only admit one incredibly dorky thing per response.

[Kool Moe Dee]

I tried to listen to the whole thing today but just couldn't do it, reminds me too much of Yes....

Watch out now...I can wield this vinyl copy of Relayer like that metal starfish thingie* in Krull.


*Yeah, I know it's technically called a glaive, but I'm trying very hard to only admit one incredibly dorky thing per response.

Hey, that second part isn't incredibly dorky. Incredibly dorky would be explaining how the weapon in Krull isn't a real glaive (look it up)...

[Sparky]

Incredibly dorky would be explaining how the weapon in Krull isn't a real glaive

Yeah, I knew that, but mentioning it would have made for a dork hat trick. :roll:

[Supertanker]

Gads, this is the second thread that involved a discussion about how the Krull Glaive is not a real glaive. http://www.quartertothree.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=207&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

The geek black hole is beginning to form.

[Bub, Andrew]

Hey, that second part isn't incredibly dorky. Incredibly dorky would be explaining how the weapon in Krull isn't a real glaive (look it up)...

Shut up you!
(You too Supertanker)
Oh, and guess what? NWN's and D&D 3E's two bladed swords and axes? Fucking stupid.

[Jeff Green]

Joining this thread late:

Beck - Sea Change
He's depressed, like Steve said, but this is his best CD ever, by a mile.

Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots

Sahara Hotnights - Jennie Bomb.
Another one of them "new garage" swedish bands. This is a girl band, and they sound like The Runaways. I mean that as a compliment.

Deltron 3030
Rediscovering the grooviness of this CD after hearing the title track as the theme song on "Robbery Homicide Division" !!?

Cibo Matto - Stereo Type A

Kraftwerk - Every record they made, in constant rotation.

[William Harms]

A lot of folks on the Queensryche boards list Rage for Order for their favorite album Jason.

Geoff's solo album is not my cup of tea, I tried to listen to the whole thing today but just couldn't do it, reminds me too much of Yes....

I'll have to second that notion--Rage for Order is an utterly fantastic album, especially when you consider the era in which it was released. (I believe Poison's first album came out roughly the same time.) However, people who didn't listen to it when it first came out (or listened to Operation: Livecrime first) generally don't like it. I find it unfortunate that a lot of people dismiss Queensryche, because I think they're a sensational band.

Unfortunately, I can't say the same for Tate's solo album. There are a couple good songs, but overall I was disappointed.

[Tyjenks]

I am afraid to post what all I am listening to as I am sure the self stylized music elite here at Qt3 (read: this thread's originator :wink: ) will flay me without mercy. So I will start out slowly:

Silverchair's Diorama


Thanks to my therapist at the free clinic, Met_K no longer haunts my nightmares as in previous days and I will continue my list and not be afraid of berating reprisals.

Incubus - S.C.I.E.N.C.E.
Great live band and this is one fun CD. The follow-up "Make Yourself" also gets frequent play. I saw in a recent interview that they have "matured" on their latest effort, "Morning View". That would explain why the entire CD, except for maybe Warning, makes me groggy. Do all uptempo, energetic bands have to mature and do all ballady-type, syrupy, sleep-inducing music? I am not maturing at the same rate they are, evidently, and I am roughly a little older than the band members at the age of 33. They are one of my faves, but if they continue along this track I may have to remove them from my all-time list. Then they'll be sorry and that'll teach 'em to mature.

On a side note, they were first brought to my attention off of the Spawn soundtrack and I saw they were coming to town. They were opening for some band called Limp Bizkit so I picked up that CD just before the show. I saw DJ Lethal from House of Pain was their(LB's) DJ and I am a House of Pain fanatic. I thought they were decent and figured the show would be fun. One of the best small venue concerts to which I have ever been.

Squeeze - Singles/Some Fantastic Place
Have loved Tilbrook's voice forever. Lemme tell ya', though. Black Coffee in Bed is a long-ass song to Karaoke, weighing in at like 4:40.

Disturbed - Believe
First CD was pretty good and this one is in the same vein. Different sound (which is a good thing) and, again, great live show at Ozzfest and opening for STP. I love bands with tons 'o energy.

Korn - Untouchables
Yeah, I know. How can these guys still be angry? They are not. They get any anger out on stage then just have fun with their families and spend money. The feeling, and I believe honesty, in Johnathan Davis' voice and lyrics is still there. Not nearly what their self titled debut or Follow the Leader was, but still good. More melodic not as much screaming as Davis realized a few years ago that his vocal cords would not last if he continued screaming through several more albums. They seem to want to stay in the industry until they are old ass Aerosmith/Stones rockers and are adjusting to make that possible. Their first CD, 10 years ago now, struck a cord with me and this is a band I will probably by everything they release until they or I die.

MachineHead - Supercharger
A band which initially was a low quality, Pantera rip-off. Then, changed their look and style and seem to have borrowed liberally from Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Metallica, STP, and many others to make some catchy heavy rock songs. This is the second album in their rebirth and me likey.

Tool - All of 'em
They are GREAT. The one time they finally came to town it poured all night at the local amphitheater. Didn't matter. If it had been anyone else, it would have sucked and my wife and I would have gone home. Tool is great. Have I said that?

When's the new Perfect Circle CD coming out? I cannot find my copy of the first one. Grrr!

Public Enemy - Welcome to the Terrordome
Their first CD is a classic. "Miuzi weighs a Ton" still gets me pumped. This one is a classic as well. Political frustrations, Radio industry bashing, inter and intra race issues. Chuck D covers it all in an intelligent, thought-provoking manner while still being forceful and damn entertaining. Rap music of this type is all but extinct. Disposable Heroes of HipHoprisy (sp?), Boogie Down Productions (KRS-One), and many others did not pick up guns, start screwing bitches, and rollin' on 20's in their Benz's with the changing face of rap music. So they are no longer viable record company risks and it is a shame as they had a lot to say and helped to educate me in my teen years and early 20's. :cry:

There are a few others which I will save for the next issue of Tyler's review corner whether anyone wants to hear it or not :P .

[Tyjenks]

Wow! I have killed more than my share of threads, but I seemed to have put an end to the entire Books, comics,...... section of this board.

[Ron Dulin]

Maybe it's because you got the name of that PE album wrong?

Just kidding.

I have to disagree with one point you make: there is some great rap being produced these days. J-Live is among the best MCs ever, and his album The Best Part (http://www.theonionavclub.com/reviews/music/music_j/jlive01.html)(which is unfortunately hard to find) is intelligent, funny and surprising all the way through. His second LP, All of the Above, is almost as good. Even more well-known guys like Mos Def (http://www.theonionavclub.com/reviews/music/music_m/mosdef01.html) are doing some cool stuff. And for really great political hip hop you can't beat The Coup's Steal This Album (http://www.theonionavclub.com/reviews/music/music_c/coup02.html), which is the funkiest argument for Marxism you'll ever hear.

Most of today's good hip hop, though, is all about the production. If you ever liked the early Native Tongues/De La Soul stuff, I highly recommend Five Deez. Their album Koolmotor is good, and the solo records by their producer (Fat Jon the Ample Soul Physician (http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/fat-jon-the-ample-soul-physician/wave-motion.shtml)) are great. He takes the jazz influence on groups like A Tribe Called Quest to a new level, and not in a cheesy way.

The problem is that everyone copped PE's (and Dre's) production, and so now what once sounded terrifying and intense - I remember being floored the first time I heard It Takes a Nation of Millions... - now just sounds like every other song on MTV. I like plenty of pop hip hop, but the really great stuff just takes a little digging to find.

-Ron

[Tyjenks]

Maybe it's because you got the name of that PE album wrong?

Just kidding.
-Ron

Well Shit!! I meant Fear of a Black Planet!!! In my mind, I was picturing the CD cover and some how came up with a name that was not even title to any of their albums. Ugh! What a dope.

[Met_K]

In the CD player this month:

Opeth - Deliverance
Peter Gabriel - Up
U2 - Best of 1990-2000 (Disc 1)
Pink Floyd - Obscured By Clouds
Chevelle - Wonder What's Next

[Mike Cathcart]

Clinic - Internal Wrangler
Isis - Oceanic *
Liars - they threw us all in a trench and stuck a monument on top
Wilco - Summerteeth
Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
The Flaming Lips - Clouds Taste Metallic
Mouse on Mars - Ideology
King Crimson - Lark's Tongues in Aspic

*Holy shit

[Met_K]

Clinic - Internal Wrangler
Isis - Oceanic *
Liars - they threw us all in a trench and stuck a monument on top
Wilco - Summerteeth
Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
The Flaming Lips - Clouds Taste Metallic
Mouse on Mars - Ideology
King Crimson - Lark's Tongues in Aspic

*Holy shit

Great choices. Especially like the Isis, Pavement, and King Crimson.

[Tyjenks]

Cold - 'Cold'; I love the lead singer's voice and vocal style. Almost enough to marry them.

Korn - 'Korn'; Before the return of heavy rock (which everyone is calling nu' metal) turned into Papa Roach and Linkin Park

The Clay People - forgot the album title; Mmmmm dark.

[Drunkagain]

Listening to..

Juno-A Future Lived In Past Tense

Audioslave

Lycia-A Day In The Stark Corner

Hana-Omen

Beth Gibbons-Out Of Season

David Gray-A New Day At Midnight

The Two Towers Soundtrack

These are the ones taking up most of my listening time at the moment, but that changes on a dime.

[Chris]

I'm listening to Pearl Jam's new disc, Riot Act. Love Boat Captain is a great song, I also like You Are a whole lot.

[wumpus]

I keep listening to Already Dead from Beck's "Sea Change". Over and over. I think I need help! I actually prefer this album to Mutations, though I've heard a number of people say Mutations is Beck's best album.

Has Jeff Green posted to this thread yet? He and I have eerily similar tastes in music. (checking) Oh yeah, he has. As I was re-reading the thread, I noticed this:

Your wife could have bought a Heavens To Betsy album instead.
And, even funnier, that's actually her name.

[Mike Cathcart]

This is my favorite thread that isn't about Metroid.

Talking Heads - Remain in Light
The Notwist - Neon Golden
Bjork - Debut
The Clash - London Calling
Radiohead - Kid A
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing

[Tyjenks]

This is my favorite thread that isn't about Metroid.

DJ Shadow - Endtroducing

Oooh. Good one. I get the last two of his confused. Is that the one who's cover has a guy at a record shop with rows and rows of vinyl?

He samples some from the B-horror flick Prince of Darkness. The one with that on it is superb. The movie freaked me out when I was younger, too.

Also, is it my imagination or did the series Millenium use some of his music for the intro and credits to the show?

[Thierry Nguyen]

DJ Shadow - Endtroducing

Midnight In A Perfect World is my personal manna from heaven. It's a lot easier to write and relax, even under deadline, with that on.

He puts on a pretty good live show, despite the fact that he doesn't even have "instruments."

I like his new album (Private Press) also.

[Met_K]

If you like Private Press, might I suggest looking into some Medeski, Martin, and Wood? Billy Martin plays drums on the album, and MMW are a very, very good "acid jazz" band. Highly experimental, defying classification, and just damn good.

[Sparky]

Dramarama - Stuck In Wonderamaland
Happy Rhodes -- Rearmament
Shadowy Men On A Shadowy Planet -- Dim The Lights, Chill The Ham
Lou Reed - New York
The Knack - Get The Knack
Polkacide - Hardcore 2/4
The Cult - Sonic Temple
Killing Joke - Night Time
The Funky Precedent, Vol. 1 - local label mix...did some work for the record company and ended up with this. Not really into hip-hop, but I'm enjoying it anyway. Ozomatli, Jurassic 5, Cut Chemist, etc.

[Anonymous]

Recent audio... things

Audioslave - Audioslave
Nirvana - Greatest Hits
Beck - Sea Change
Badly Drawn Boy - Have You Fed the Fish?
Pearl Jam - Riot Act
Peter Gabriel - Up
The Rolling Stones - 40 Licks
Foo Fighters - One by One
U2 - Best of 1990-2000
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots

Of course I'm still listening to Sleater-Kinney's "One Beat" a lot. I thought I'd mention that just to annoy wumpus.

[DennyA]

Lately, the Beatles and John Lennon... For some reason my two-month-old loves them.

Interestingly, he smiles and bounces to The Beatles, but when I tried The Monkees, he started frowning and making hacking sounds.

[Tom Chick]

Interestingly, he smiles and bounces to The Beatles, but when I tried The Monkees, he started frowning and making hacking sounds.

I think most of us react in the same way.

I've been listening to Elliott Smith a bunch lately. All of it. But XO is pretty great.

-Tom

[Brad Grenz]

I've been listening to Elliott Smith a bunch lately. All of it. But XO is pretty great.

XO is good, but I think Either/Or is still his best. I wish he'd finish up his next CD.

Mostly I'm listening to Sea Change as well. God. Damn. That's a beatiful album. It should sweep the Grammies, but I have little faith that they'll actually reward good music. I'm also listening to the new CD from the Widgets. It's good. I'd post a link, but I've been too busy lately to update their site with anything about the new release.

I want to buy a lot of stuff from Up Records (http://www.uprecords.com), but I haven't been able to afford it. I've downloaded some of the MP3s they've posted and love what I've heard from The Concretes, The Bangs and Duster. I've already got some Modest Mouse, but I want a lot more. I finally bought the last Quasi CD I didn't have too.

[Tyjenks]

Can someone let me know how the new Pearl Jam CD is? I was a loyal fan until Vedder adopted his Neil Young Jr. sound. Thanks, tj

[Anonymous]

XO is good, but I think Either/Or is still his best. I wish he'd finish up his next CD.
I'd agree with you there. I think his CD is being help up by his return to heroin, or so I hear.


Mostly I'm listening to Sea Change as well. God. Damn. That's a beatiful album. It should sweep the Grammies, but I have little faith that they'll actually reward good music.
I liked Mutations better. Similar vibe but more interesting musically. Sea Change just feels mopey to me, but I haven't really listened to it enough.

I wish Beck would just do a pure 60s garage rock record, like the untitled song at the end of Mutations.

[Mike Cathcart]

This is my favorite thread that isn't about Metroid.

DJ Shadow - Endtroducing

Oooh. Good one. I get the last two of his confused. Is that the one who's cover has a guy at a record shop with rows and rows of vinyl?

Yes. Also, Prince of Darkness shows up a few times on that album, as Transmissions 1, 2, and 3.

[Mike Cathcart]

DJ Shadow - Endtroducing

He puts on a pretty good live show, despite the fact that he doesn't even have "instruments."

I've heard nothing but good things, just haven't had a chance to check him out.


I like his new album (Private Press) also.

I only heard it once, but it sounded good. Maybe I'll put it on my Amazon wish list, right next to that Segway.

[Anonymous]

I liked Mutations better. Similar vibe but more interesting musically. Sea Change just feels mopey to me, but I haven't really listened to it enough.
FWIW, I also think Sea Change is Beck's best album. Each song is a thematic whole instead of a dadaist stream of consciousness freak-out. For example, compare these lyrics from "Already Dead":


time wears away all the pleasures of the day
all the treasures you could hold
days turn to sand losing strength in every hand
it can't hold you any more

already dead to me now
already dead to me now
cause it feels like I'm watching something dying

love looks away in the harsh light of the day
on the edge of nothing more
days fade to black in the light of what they lack
nothing's measured but what it needs

already dead to me now
already dead to me now
cause it feels like I'm watching something dying

To something like "Nicotine and Gravy" from Midnite Vultures. Big difference!

-wumpus

[Anonymous]

To something like "Nicotine and Gravy" from Midnite Vultures. Big difference!
That's a bad comparison, because Midnite Vultures and Odelay are his party records. Comparing Sea Change to Mutations is more interesting.

Though I have to like Nicotine and Gravy's priceless:

I think we're going crazy
Her left eye is lazy
She looks so Israeli
Nicotine and gravy

Or the "I can smell the VD in the club tonight" from Milk & Honey.

[Tyjenks]

Can someone let me know how the new Pearl Jam CD is? I was a loyal fan until Vedder adopted his Neil Young Jr. sound. Thanks, tj

Quoted the above as you bastards have not answered yet. It's been a whole day already.

New Seether CD which is decent.

Pulled out the old CB4 soundtrack. Funny stuff.

"Like to eat it, Like to suck it,
take a shit, in a bucket.
Straight Outta Lo-cash!"

Not as high brow as smelling VD in the nightclub, I admit, but still magically delicious.

[Anonymous]

Quoted the above as you bastards have not answered yet. It's been a whole day already.
I haven't actually sit down and listened to the damn thing. I'm bad about that lately... but I have an excuse, I was working on finishing 007 Nightfire. Good thing the game only took about six hours of my life (on the middle difficulty, wumpus-boy).

I liked Yield quite a bit, which was really a return to their more "normal" sound. I don't think they're particularly good when they get experimental; they should just feel comfortable with playing straight RAWK, though I never did like Ten that much.

[Tyjenks]

though I never did like Ten that much.

**Does double, no, triple take at monitor, takes drink of water, looks again, and does spit take all over the keyboard***

You didn't wha.....OK, OK to each his own and all that, but have you gone back and listened to it in the last several years. Ten is sooooo good. It makes me weep for the days when the Alternative/Grunge trend in rock began. Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Soundgarden, et.al.

Did they not release one between Yield and this latest CD? I know they put out some live stuff, but it seems like I missed one in there. I think I will just stroll on over to the website.

Lemme know what you think. I will pick it up eventually, however, I have a small backlog of CD's to purchase before PJ.

[Met_K]

Binaural, which was horrible. Likewise, this new cd is as well.

And Ten is highly overrated. Good album, but overrated.

[Tyjenks]

Binaural, which was horrible. Likewise, this new cd is as well.

And Ten is highly overrated. Good album, but overrated.

:P :P :P

How 'bout Vs. ? You had to like Vs.

Yeah, Binaural. I found it, thanks. Both bad, huh? Say it ain't so Met. :(

[Met_K]

I don't much care for Vs., nor Vitalogy, nor No Code, nor Yield. Pearl Jam is odd in my book. Their albums all hold about the same ranking, except Binaural and Riot Act, which are horrible. But the rest are just good albums that are more period-pieces than anything, and are fun to listen to every once and a while. They're not bad, just not my thing. I think they're all very talented, except Eddie Veddar, and I'm glad they continue to make music.

Now, if they would kick out Eddie, find a good writer and singer, and start getting back to being a band instead of a solo act with backing members, maybe they'd be making 'good' music again.

[Anonymous]

You didn't wha.....OK, OK to each his own and all that, but have you gone back and listened to it in the last several years. Ten is sooooo good. It makes me weep for the days when the Alternative/Grunge trend in rock began. Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Soundgarden, et.al.
Oh yeah, I think it sounds worse today than it did back in, what, 92? 93? Or maybe I should say dated. I think it's lyrically really clumsy. Vs. is pretty wonderful, though. I actually saw them open for Nirvana at the L.A. Sports Arena.

Now Nirvana, now we're talking... actually, my favorite band of that whole Seattle thing was/is Screaming Trees. Now there's a band that deserved better... great songwriting, lots of use of wah-wah pedals, general rockness... etc.


Lemme know what you think. I will pick it up eventually, however, I have a small backlog of CD's to purchase before PJ.
It's not doing a lot for me. I'm listening to it right now. It's a bit like Binaural to me, in the sense that nothing really stands out as being that interesting, though the single, "I Am Mine" isn't bad.

[Anonymous]

Pearl Jam is odd in my book. Their albums all hold about the same ranking, except Binaural and Riot Act, which are horrible.
I think what you're actually getting at, maybe, is that they're a great singles band but a horrible album one. I find a couple of songs I dig per record, but the rest is really icky... not just bland, but awful. So they'll make a killer "Greatest Hits" thing. Like Lenny Kravitz. I can't suffer through one of his albums, but he's had some killer singles... he's a terrible writer, but has some killer hooks and riffs (all cribbed from others, but what the hell).

[wumpus]

Comparing Sea Change to Mutations is more interesting.
I listened to Mutations again today, and it further reinforced my opinion that Sea Change is Beck's best album.

Don't get me wrong, I like them all-- but Mutations isn't that much of a deviation from Odelay or Vultures; you've still got the offbeat stuff like Tropicalia and plenty of wry dadaist lyrics to go around. It's true that at least two of the songs hint at what we'll be hearing on Sea Change, but even in those songs, Beck's still got that thin veneer of obfuscation between himself and the listener.

As much as I like Beck, sometimes I can't help thinking he's the musical Seinfeld: writing great, original songs about nothing. The refreshing thing about Sea Change, for me, is how immediate and heartfelt it is-- musical noodlings from a guy as talented as Beck are fun, but musical expressions of real loss and pain from another human being are even better.

[Anonymous]

It makes me weep for the days when the Alternative/Grunge trend in rock began. Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Soundgarden, et.al.
By the way, if you dug Soundgarden, you should pick up the Audioslave CD.

[Brad Grenz]

You didn't wha.....OK, OK to each his own and all that, but have you gone back and listened to it in the last several years. Ten is sooooo good. It makes me weep for the days when the Alternative/Grunge trend in rock began. Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Soundgarden, et.al.

I was really too young to know what was going on when this all broke. I had barely discovered music before Kurt Cobain was dead. I think Ten is great, but I actually prefer the stuff on vs, the Merkinball single, and I think the Pearl Jam cover of Last Kiss is amazing. I actually watched a VH1 news special about the birth of grunge in Seattle. It was pretty interesting to see how these bands all got to gether and broke. It was especially interesting to hear how the members of Pearl Jam, minus Vedder, had been in a band called Mother Lovebone (I think) with someone else fronting, and the whole scene was sure they were going to be the ones to break out first. But the lead singer (whose name I can't remember) ODed. They hooked up with Vedder after that and became Pearl Jam. But by then Nirvana had already exploded.


I liked Mutations better. Similar vibe but more interesting musically. Sea Change just feels mopey to me, but I haven't really listened to it enough.

I don't have Mutations, perhaps I should? Yup, one more for the to buy list. I still need to get Coldplay's albums as well. I've liked everything of theirs I've ever heard. And there's always a backlog of stuff I'd like to fill out my collection.

Re: Elliott Smith-

I think his CD is being help up by his return to heroin, or so I hear.

I hope not. I understand he's played a few shows here and there over the last year. But his official website hasn't been updated in a long while.

[Tyjenks]

It makes me weep for the days when the Alternative/Grunge trend in rock began. Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Soundgarden, et.al.
By the way, if you dug Soundgarden, you should pick up the Audioslave CD.

That's in my backlog.

We had a dirty bar here that featured a cover band called Seattle that would play all those bands. They were pretty good. Now the big cover band around these parts does Dave Matthews Band. Hideous.

[Anonymous]

I was really too young to know what was going on when this all broke.
There's a great movie called "Hype" that goes into this in great detail. (It may be what you saw on VH-1.) I love the middle break, when someone says, "Soundgarden got signed and released a major label record, as did Alice in Chains and Screaming Trees... things were going back to normal." Then you hear the opening chords for "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (from its alleged first-ever performance) and all hell broke loose.


It was especially interesting to hear how the members of Pearl Jam, minus Vedder, had been in a band called Mother Lovebone (I think) with someone else fronting, and the whole scene was sure they were going to be the ones to break out first. But the lead singer (whose name I can't remember) ODed.
Yeah, that was Mother Love Bone, and the singer was Andrew Wood. Their record is pretty good, but the Seattle folks really didn't dig the Pearl Jam boys because, even then, they were considered "careerist" mercenary types. Mother Love Bone was kind of a glam band in a city of Sabbath-y metal. MLB's "Apple" is an "eh" record... it was released right after Wood died.

Some of the Pearl Jam guys (Gossard and Ament, I believe) were also in a band called Green River, which was before MLB, with Mark Arm of Mudhoney.


I don't have Mutations, perhaps I should? Yup, one more for the to buy list.
Yeah, I think Mutations is really wonderful, and I do think it's his best (though, as I said before, I haven't listened to Sea Change enough, and listening to it last night, I'm starting to warm to it). I listened to the Coldplay record at work (our art director bought it) and it did almost nothing for me. Nothing stood out at all.

[Anonymous]

We had a dirty bar here that featured a cover band called Seattle that would play all those bands. They were pretty good. Now the big cover band around these parts does Dave Matthews Band. Hideous.
At least you don't live in Vermont, where in addition to doing all DMB covers, they do Phish and the Dead constantly. Jam bands are all you hear, er, here. Ugh, 27 minutes of noodling over white-boy funk... give me three-minute pop songs, or give me death.

[Tyjenks]

We had a dirty bar here that featured a cover band called Seattle that would play all those bands. They were pretty good. Now the big cover band around these parts does Dave Matthews Band. Hideous.
At least you don't live in Vermont, where in addition to doing all DMB covers, they do Phish and the Dead constantly. Jam bands are all you hear, er, here. Ugh, 27 minutes of noodling over white-boy funk... give me three-minute pop songs, or give me death.

We get our share of Phish and Widespread Panic here. Three nights in a row of sell outs at the Amphitheater. Wouldn't go to one night if you paid me.

[Kalle]

Pulled out the old CB4 soundtrack. Funny stuff.

"Like to eat it, Like to suck it,
take a shit, in a bucket.
Straight Outta Lo-cash!"

Not as high brow as smelling VD in the nightclub, I admit, but still magically delicious.

Ah, CB4. I happened to catch it on tv a night many years ago and it was actually my first introduction to gangsta rap. A lot of the irony was lost on me, but it did inspire me to look up NWA.

[Met_K]

CB4, Fear Of A Black Hat, and Spinal Tap. Parody goodness.

[xahlt]

I guess I hardly listen to albums anymore, mostly just mp3 mixes I make and such:

http://www.ohthehumanity.com/mix

That page probably takes 20 minutes to load up, heh.

[Met_K]

Starting a bit early this month...

Slayer - God Hates Us All
Pink Floyd - Animals
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
Pink Floyd - Meddle
Pink Floyd - Is There Anybody Out There? - The Wall Live 1980-1981
Chevelle - Wonder What's Next (again)
Audioslave - Audioslave

Notice a trend? I don't tend to enjoy Christmas, except for being with family. I really hate that it's become so commercialized (yes, I'm such a little anti-everything kiddie, aren't I?), so I just normally get a few small heart-felt gifts and ask for very little in return. So the nihilistic albums reflect that side, and the more melancholy albums reflect the fact that I enjoy spending time with the people I love around this time (yes, I'm redundant, I know this).

Slayer because I've been quite aggitated with people lately; Chevelle because it's so completely exhausting to listen to but damn is it rewarding; Audioslave because it's damn good (go buy it, now! It's Soundgarden 2.0); And Pink Floyd for various reasons. Hey, come on, they're my favorite band.

[Tyjenks]

; Audioslave because it's damn good (go buy it, now! It's Soundgarden 2.0).
Better. Soundgarden + Tom Morello = MMMmmm creamy goodness


And Pink Floyd for various reasons. Hey, come on, they're my favorite band.
I still don't get it. Pink Floyd, the Dead, Phish, Widespread Panic. Sure if you're high it makes sense, but otherwise they all make me sleepy.

[DennyA]

I still don't get it. Pink Floyd [snip] Sure if you're high it makes sense, but otherwise they all make me sleepy.

Damn kids today have no appreciation for music.

[Tyjenks]

I still don't get it. Pink Floyd [snip] Sure if you're high it makes sense, but otherwise they all make me sleepy.

Damn kids today have no appreciation for music.

I figured that was coming. :) I am 33. What age is the cut off for enjoying and/or getting Floyd?

I like Jimmy Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, E.L.O., et.al. I have fairly varied tastes both old and new. Maybe I have a defect. Like when something genetic skips a generation. I simply skipped over the whole 45 min. long, droning song genre. Although I do like Ina-Gadda-whateva.

[Mike Cathcart]

I still don't get it. Pink Floyd, the Dead, Phish, Widespread Panic. Sure if you're high it makes sense, but otherwise they all make me sleepy.

Tyjenks, you're cool and all, but :roll:

What about Dark Side of the Moon? Even the Beatles had a few tracks > seven minutes.

I've never been high. Or drunk. Pink Floyd is a great band.

[Met_K]

Go listen to 'Animals' by Pink Floyd, Tyjenks. If that doesn't get your blood going, I don't know what will. You like Hendrix, so you'll certainly appreciate the guitar work (imho, some of the best guitar work ever), and there's a lot more activity on the album than there are on say, Dark Side or WYWH or The Wall. It's a much more aggressive, brooding, dark album.

If you'd like an mp3 of the album, hit me up at [email protected] I could e-mail you a full mp3, or just a song that I think you would like. Whatever. I'm willing to do whatever it takes to convince you to NOT ever compare Pink Floyd to Widespread Panic, Phish, or the god damn Deadheads again.

Edit: Oh, and yes, Tom Morello + Chris Cornell is just plain fucking great. I love the album, it grows on me everytime I hear it. But it has made me long for Soundgarden again so much. They are hands down one of my favorite bands ever. Hell, you can actually directly trace all my favorite bands back to psychadelic roots, which grunge is actually deeply rooted in. Especially Soundgarden. Everytime I hear 'Pretty Noose' I want to cry, because it's like, "God damn. Why'd you guys break up? Kim, make some more guitar work, you fuck! Come on guys! Do something!" And then I go and bench-press 350lbs for about 4 hours to make up for being such a girly-man.

[Tyjenks]

I still don't get it. Pink Floyd, the Dead, Phish, Widespread Panic. Sure if you're high it makes sense, but otherwise they all make me sleepy.

Tyjenks, you're cool and all, but :roll:

What about Dark Side of the Moon? Even the Beatles had a few tracks > seven minutes.

I've never been high. Or drunk. Pink Floyd is a great band.

I guess it's just not my bag and have never understood what exactly they have that has garnered these neverending legions of followers. Especially with their lack of radio and later MTV support to keep the bands in the forefront of people's minds.

I am really not trying to poke fun here. I just do not enjoy the music nor understand its incredible longevity; be it the Grateful Dead (And their evil spawn) or Floyd.

At the risk of removing any credence from my points here, there are probably plenty of folks who don't enjoy, don't 'get', and/or don't want to get the music of and longevity of KoRn.

I thought maybe by making the above statement smaller that drawing a comparison between the contribution to music of Pink Floyd and that of KoRn would not seem quite as offensive. I am not sure it is going to work.

BTW, I can already feel and hear the berating I will be getting soon tippity-type-typing across all of your keyboards.

[DennyA]

I still don't get it. Pink Floyd [snip] Sure if you're high it makes sense, but otherwise they all make me sleepy.

Damn kids today have no appreciation for music.

I figured that was coming. :) I am 33. What age is the cut off for enjoying and/or getting Floyd?

Must be somewhere between 33 and 37, since I'm not that much older than you. :-)

It appears that 35 is the point where your brain disconnects from popular music for some of us... I really haven't heard much of anything post-Matchbox 20 that I've enjoyed. (Well, other than Tenacious D.) I thought rap sucked way back in the days of Run DMC and the Beasty Boys. And I'm not into "scream rock."

So, I'll sit here with my ancient Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel, R.E.M., Toad the Wet Sprocket, Lenny Kravitz, Keb Mo, and so on, and just be glad that even if the RIAA eventually screws up new CDs, it won't matter to me...

[Mike Cathcart]

Go listen to 'Animals' by Pink Floyd, Tyjenks.

I love this, the guy says he's not into long songs, and you recommend Animals. How much do you hate Tyjenks? ;) I figure Dark Side is as close as you can get to a pop album from Floyd, and the best starting point, but apparently he doesn't want to listen to either of us...


Especially with their lack of radio and later MTV support to keep the bands in the forefront of people's minds.

Yeah, you never hear Pink Floyd on the radio. But I'll agree that there are people who like Floyd too much, like the assholes who can't let you say a good thing about any album in any genre without reminding you that Pink Floyd is better. Fuck them. Still, they're a great band, and there are worse things for people to obsess over.


At the risk of removing any credence from my points here, there are probably plenty of folks who don't enjoy, don't 'get', and/or don't want to get the music of and longevity of KoRn.

Nah, I like KoRn. Unfortunately they tend to get thrown in with bands like Limp Bizkit, which keeps people from seeing that KoRn has a lot more going on musically than those guys. I haven't listened to either of their last two albums much, though. I heard the new one just after it came out and it made me want to hear their older stuff more. I'll give it a fair chance sooner or later, though.

[Met_K]

KoRn helped to develop an entire sub-genre of music, while Pink Floyd defy classification beyond 'psychadelic' and 'progressive.' Why would someone chastise you for that?

Sure, it's not the best comparison, because of how different they are, and how different their contributions are, but they both contributed nonetheless.

Why you always bring up KoRn when music comes around, though, is something I will have to berate you for one day... :)

[Met_K]

Go listen to 'Animals' by Pink Floyd, Tyjenks.

I love this, the guy says he's not into long songs, and you recommend Animals. How much do you hate Tyjenks? ;) I figure Dark Side is as close as you can get to a pop album from Floyd, and the best starting point, but apparently he doesn't want to listen to either of us...

Damnit, Mike, come on. :P You know as well as I do that Animals is their heaviest album. And if he said he doesn't want music that drones on and on, and actually has some sort of muscle to it, well, that's the best album to make him listen to. I'd say The Wall, but he wouldn't like that because of it's concept and the fact that it's sort of one long big song. But, I would just as easily pop him over a live version of Run Like Hell or Waiting For The Worms if he'd enjoy it.

But yes, you're right. Dark Side is the best starting point, and their most poppy. It is, however, also the most boring to an ear who doesn't want to listen. To him, it'd be one giant extended piece, with various flavors and interludes inbetween the 'filler.' Same would go for WYWH. Hell, I bet Tyjenks hates classical, but he might like it if he were to have seen Chicago back in their hey-day (uh, on one of their non-ballad songs, like 25 or 6 to 4).

[Tyjenks]

Why you always bring up KoRn when music comes around, though, is something I will have to berate you for one day... :)

KoRn brought me from the enjoyment of grunge and apathy towards metal to the enjoyment of metal and apathy towards life.

They and a few other bands of that ilk must tap something in me that was covered up and placed in a little box in my head when I was growing up. I should have been a metal-punk tearing shit up. I went to church and the movies with my friends instead, thereby surviving my childhood with little rebellion or confrontaions of any kind. I have Issues that, I guess, Lucy at the 5 cent psyche booth has not been able to work out for me.

Beats me why rap/rock/metal appeals to me so much now 'cause when I was in high school I listened to nothing except the birthings of rap music and Headbanger's Ball literally scared me. The above personal aside is the only thing that can explain my 'KoRn thing'.

[Mike Cathcart]

Hey, I'm with you, Animals rules. But somewhere around the fifteenth minute of Dogs you might say to yourself, "WTF?", and then throw it out a window. Well, you wouldn't, and neither would I, but I don't think I'd try to turn anyone onto Floyd with it. Dark Side is the obvious starting point, and about as close to focused pop songs as you'll get from them. The music is great, the album is cohesive but it still works as a collection of great songs, it pretty much sums up their entire career, and it's just about the right length (who the hell can sit through the Wall on the first listen?).

Shit, now I want to hear Animals and I'm at work without it. Good thing it's almost time to leave.

The Wall is overrated.

Run Like Hell sucks.

/ducks

[Tyjenks]

Maybe we should start a whole thread for Tyler's Pink Floyd musical counseling. :)

[Tyjenks]

Must be somewhere between 33 and 37, since I'm not that much older than you. :-)

It appears that 35 is the point where your brain disconnects from popular music for some of us... I really haven't heard much of anything post-Matchbox 20 that I've enjoyed.

I can easily see where Matchbox-20 could turn you away and probably millions of others away from any type of popular rock music never to grace your eardrums again.

I am waiting. I wonder when the next wave/style is going to erupt and whether I will continue to like 'the new stuff' in rock.

Met, I'll PM you when I get home with my home email and get some of those suggestions from you. I appreciate the offers and attempts by everyone to broaden my musical horizons. I promise I will give it an objective try, maybe.

[Met_K]

Hey, I'm with you, Animals rules. But somewhere around the fifteenth minute of Dogs you might say to yourself, "WTF?", and then throw it out a window. Well, you wouldn't, and neither would I, but I don't think I'd try to turn anyone onto Floyd with it. Dark Side is the obvious starting point, and about as close to focused pop songs as you'll get from them. The music is great, the album is cohesive but it still works as a collection of great songs, it pretty much sums up their entire career, and it's just about the right length (who the hell can sit through the Wall on the first listen?).

Shit, now I want to hear Animals and I'm at work without it. Good thing it's almost time to leave.

The Wall is overrated.

Run Like Hell sucks.

/ducks

What? Fuck Dogs. I'm going to introduce him to Sheep. :)

Oh, and I won't hurt you for saying The Wall sucks. I'll just eviscerate you in a very lyrical and musical matter when I make my own version of The Wall in about 20 years. Eat that! heh

Oh, and for reference, my favorite Floyd album is Meddle. It's the beginning of all that would become latter-day Floyd, and Echoes is just damn fucking beautiful.

[Met_K]

Met, I'll PM you when I get home with my home email and get some of those suggestions from you. I appreciate the offers and attempts by everyone to broaden my musical horizons. I promise I will give it an objective try, maybe.

Ama shama laka, my brutha. Word is bone. *knuckle tap* Or, whatever the fuck 'Right on' is in jive. :)

[Mike Cathcart]

Oh, and I won't hurt you for saying The Wall sucks. I'll just eviscerate you in a very lyrical and musical matter when I make my own version of The Wall in about 20 years. Eat that! heh

To be fair, I didn't say that it sucks, just that it's overrated. I like it, but it's too long. Unless your name is The Clash and it's 1979, just say no to double albums.*


Oh, and for reference, my favorite Floyd album is Meddle. It's the beginning of all that would become latter-day Floyd, and Echoes is just damn fucking beautiful.

I won't argue with you there. Dark Side may not be their best album, but it is their most representative. That's why I think it's perfect as a starter.

* OK, maybe there are a (very) few other exceptions

[Bub, Andrew]

I was in the kitchen, Shamus, that's the dog, was outside....

[Dave Long]

Yeah, you never hear Pink Floyd on the radio.

The hell! I'm turning it off daily on either WYSP or WMMR. I know where you live Cathcart and you get these stations too! :)

I don't dislike Pink Floyd, I'm tired of hearing it. I'd much rather hear something new. Now that you guys have given the thumbs up to Audioslave, that's something I've got to hear. Cochise is a good song and they've played it a lot on the local radio. I never could hear the band name though I knew it was Cornell.

Anyone get the new Foo Fighters? I heard the first single today and it sounded good. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

--Dave

[Met_K]

Audioslave gets a thumbs up? Dude, it makes me grow a nice rubbery one. I love it. It's fantastic. Audioslave am God.

Buy it now.

[Sparky]

I'm really enjoying Audioslave as well...Soundgarden is/was one of the few modern bands I like.


I'm turning it off daily on either WYSP or WMMR.
I miss WYSP and WMMR. Rock stations in the SF Bay Area only play Scorpions/Ozzy/Scorpions/Ozzy instead of Pink Floyd/Rush/Pink Floyd/Rush.

[Dave Long]

Hee hee...that's close to the truth, Sparky! Actually, I shouldn't be too hard on MMR and YSP, they're both much better than what most of the country is getting apparently. They're playing Audioslave, the new Foo Fighters, Disturbed, etc. It's pretty much all good. Harrisburg's 105.7, The X is a good alternative to those two also. Less older stuff and even more new metal/rock.

--Dave

[Mike Cathcart]

I was just kidding about not hearing Floyd on the radio, Dave. I stopped listening to those morons a few years ago, though, so I have no idea what they're playing now (although I'm sure I could guess).

Hey Met, maybe we should be trying to get Tyjenks into Isis instead of Floyd.

[Tyjenks]

That stupid bastard Met never sent me shit!!! I PMed him with my home-fuckin email address for some pansy-ass pussy Pink Floyd tunes like on damn Friday. Not a peep from that cum-gargling prick.



I thought maybe if I used his lingo it would speed up the process. Please excuse the harsh vocabulary as I know there are ladies present.................and Sparky. Ba-dum-bum! Ching! That is just as funny on the web as it is here in Birmingham. :D

BTW, Audioslave does continue to get better with each listen. Although, I wish maybe the remainder of the now dead Soundgarden could get together with the actually dead Layne Staley and create a band as I was more of an Alice in Chains fan. They could call themselves Heroine Chic or something.

[Met_K]

That stupid bastard Met never sent me shit!!! I PMed him with my home-fuckin email address for some pansy-ass pussy Pink Floyd tunes like on damn Friday. Not a peep from that cum-gargling prick.

That's because I'm too busy fucking your mom and using your dad as slave labor to send you any Floyd tunes.

Really, though, sorry. I've been too busy to upload yet.

Edit: My post count lately can verify that. I don't even have time to post here anymore. My life is slowly ruining before my very eyes because I cannot harass people. :(

[Tyjenks]

That stupid bastard Met never sent me shit!!! I PMed him with my home-fuckin email address for some pansy-ass pussy Pink Floyd tunes like on damn Friday. Not a peep from that cum-gargling prick.

That's because I'm too busy fucking your mom and using your dad as slave labor to send you any Floyd tunes.

Really, though, sorry. I've been too busy to upload yet.

Edit: My post count lately can verify that. I don't even have time to post here anymore. My life is slowly ruining before my very eyes because I cannot harass people. :(

No worries. I am happy for my Mom though. It's about time she lived it up a little.

No rush. Just whenever you get a chance. Peace out.

[Tyjenks]

CD Christmas gifties:

MuDvAyNe : The End of All Things to Come
I know no one over 17 listens to them, but I still love to hear screaming, anger, and an occasional melodic interlude when travelling to and from work.

System of a Down : Steal This Album
These are 16 'leftovers' that did not make it onto Toxicity. And they are still damn good. The fact that throw away tunes are this good is simply amazing. This band is great. Different sound, original vocals, political activistism, actually care about what they are doing, Armenian and, of course, some screaming thrown in for good measure.

Anyone who has dismissed SoaD as just another nu metal/heavy rock also ran needs to rethink that stance. They are not. They should be around for a good long time.

[Dave Long]

Not so much CD related, but I got the DVD of Judas Priest's Demolition tour. Looking forward to popping that in and scaring my wife with it later this week. :)

--Dave

[Chris]

I got the Deep Purple 1968-1998 box set. Some of the stuff before they got Ian Gillan is interesting, for lack of a better word. Particularly a rather sedate version of the Beatles' Help, complete with an organ solo. I do prefer the hard stuff from the 70's though.

[DennyA]

The music I got for Christmas was a classic moldy oldy -- Fleetwood Mac's Rumors -- but the signficance was that the disc was DVD Audio, rather than CD.

On my Audigy2/Klipsch setup, the clarity of the music is absolutely amazing.

Interestingly, you can't use the digital outs on the Audigy 2 when playing back DVD Audio. Thanks, RIAA, you bastards. Not a big deal as I have an analog connection, but just the concept of crippling my hardware for protection purposes is offensive.

[wumpus]

On my Audigy2/Klipsch setup, the clarity of the music is absolutely amazing.
For the 5.1 mixing, or for the additional resolution? I have one DVD audio disk (Bjork), but I feel that the 5.1 mix is overkill-- I prefer stereo.

Anyway, what's "on my CD player" right now is XM Satellite radio. If you're any kind of music lover, I don't see how you can avoid immediately falling in love with this service for home or car. The only downside is the 128kbps WMA caliber audio quality, but you can't beat the killer underground-DJ type playlists on 100+ channels of every imaginable genre.

http://www.xmradio.com/

Interestingly, there is a terrestrial repeater in my neighborhood. I happen to get 3/4 bars of satellite coverage from my window here without trying very hard, but it's certainly nice to have a backup.

[DennyA]

On my Audigy2/Klipsch setup, the clarity of the music is absolutely amazing.
For the 5.1 mixing, or for the additional resolution? I have one DVD audio disk (Bjork), but I feel that the 5.1 mix is overkill-- I prefer stereo.

The music clarity... The 5.1 mix isn't overblown on Rumors. It's pretty subtle.

[wumpus]

but you can't beat the killer underground-DJ type playlists on 100+ channels of every imaginable genre.
How else can I listen to Kwame's "The Rhythm" at 12am EST? Best. Gift. Ever.

Oh yeah, and it also has all those boring-ass talk, news, and sports channels.

[Met_K]

They're releasing Dark Side Of The Moon on dvd audio 5.1. That will either define what DVD audio is, or it'll ruin the album, heh

[Tyjenks]

So no one has anything to say about SoaD. I realize it was recorded after 1982 and all, but you could at least give it a try. Do game geeks not have time for music? The mentions of music on this forum are few and far between.

Met_K, don't tell me you cannot appreciate the originality of their sound in this copycat, hit driven music industry. They are actually getting a little airplay with their quirky vocals. Maybe I am offbase with my declaration of their original sound, but at least tell me who did it first, so I can go out and pick it up.

Damn, how did I miss out on that Dark Side DVD. :P I could just kick Santa for not dropping that crusty, cob-web filled recording into my stocking,

[Drunkagain]

Well I just got myself a copy of the as yet unreleased Massive Attack cd 100th Window, and must say it's fantastic. The first time or two I listened to it I wasn't sure if I would like as well as the last couple, but it has totally worked it's way under my skin and into my subconcious. Can't wait to get it this Feb.

[Anonymous]

Met_K, don't tell me you cannot appreciate the originality of their sound in this copycat, hit driven music industry. They are actually getting a little airplay with their quirky vocals. Maybe I am offbase with my declaration of their original sound, but at least tell me who did it first, so I can go out and pick it up.


Uh, I do like SoaD. They're about the only "nu-metal" I listen to. The "new" album is damn good, even though I've been listening to it since Toxicity came out. It's good, the unrefined edits are fucking great, but the polished, album-versions are good too.

-Met_K, who is currently out of town and doesn't feel like logging in. To prove this, I'll simply say: Paul McCartney is a fucking hack, and killed Lennon. Die, you old, surly fuck, die.

[Mike Cathcart]

Radiohead - Amnesiac
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
The Walkmen - Everyone Who Pretended to Like Me Is Gone
The Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I
Elliott Smith - s/t
Mogwai - My Father My King
Joy Division - Closer

[Met_K]

Soundgarden - Down On The Upside
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
Jerry Cantrell - Degradation Trip (double disc)
Tool - Opiate

Told you I'm a stubborn sonuvabitch to change.

Oh, and hey! Cathcart! Great choice on the Mogwai. I'm curious, though, is My Father My King just an ep, or is a full-fledged album? I know it came out the same year as Rock Action, I've just never bothered finding it (and yes yes, I know, buy it online, blegh). That's the one with the single track on it, right? The "companion piece" to Rock Action? I really should buy it, I've heard it's damn good.

Edit: Nevermind, I answered my own question. heh

[Mike Cathcart]

Yes, yes, and yes. If you've got any interest in Mogwai, you should definitely pick it up. Nothing beats a CD with one 21-minute track that ends with two minutes of distortion effects and feedback :) This week...

Ms. John Soda - No P. Or D.
The Stone Roses - s/t
The Clash - s/t
Mogwai - EP + 2
Eminem - The Eminem Show
Rjd2 - Deadringer

[Met_K]

Pink Floyd - The Final Cut
Stone Temple Pilots - No. 4
Grand Funk - Born To Die
Pink Floyd - Live At Pompeii
Tool - Undertow

Well. I had to throw at least one L.A. band in there, considering I live there now. The Doors and Grand Funk kind of switch out every couple of days, so eh.

Seeing Audioslave in a couple weeks. I'm happy.

[Tyjenks]

Tool - Aenima (Consistently excellent band, CD after CD. No peers, IMO)
MachineHead - Supercharger (In preparation for live CD release in March)
SoaD - Steal this Album (Still great)
Seether - Disclaimer (Not too shabby rock band)
House of Pain - Self titled
dope - Felons and Revolutionaries (Love that Fuck tha' Police cover)


Met, you suck for getting to see Audioslave. Clear Channel shut down our only rock station. Now an all 80's station for crissakes. As a result, absolutely no rock bands are coming through B'ham any longer. Unless you count Neal Young's Pearl Jam. And I do not.

[Anonymous]

That new Molten Rock of Hate album rocks pretty hard.

It's a shame their drummer overdosed, but the replacement is almost as good, IMO.

[Bub, Andrew]

Unless you count Neal Young's Pearl Jam. And I do not.

Is that because southern man don't need him around, anyhow?
Thank you, goodnight!

[Tyjenks]

Unless you count Neal Young's Pearl Jam. And I do not.

Is that because southern man don't need him around, anyhow?
Thank you, goodnight!

Good one, Bub. :) Pearl Jam simply lost their edge several years back and lapsed into Neil Youngey sounding songs. i know Vedder digs him and all, but jeez!


That new Molten Rock of Hate album rocks pretty hard.

Nice cross thread post. Are you the one stalking me and playing A Tale in the Desert using Tyjinks as your character's name :?: ***shakes fist at monitor*** My cease and desist order is on a judge's desk even as we speak. :wink:

[Jeff Green]

This urban Jew has been channeling his inner redneck lately. I was always one of those "I like everything...but country" people. But now I realize that I was probably just hearing all the BAD country, just like you hear the bad everything on the radio. Or maybe it's a sign of age that this stuff is starting to sound good to me now.

In any event, what started this was Johnny Cash---like everyone else, I'm jumping on the bandwagon now that he's half dead.

So my purchases are:

The Essential Johnny Cash (3 CD box set---tremendous)
Cash- American Recordings
Cash- American III

Willie Nelson -- Shotgun Willie
Nelson -- Red Headed Stranger

Gram Parsons -- GP/Grievious Angel

Willie Nelson is a real revelation to me. I had no idea. "Shotgun Willie" is as much a blues and rock n' roll record as it is "country." And his vocals remind me of a jazz singer in terms of phrasing, rhythm, and all-around cool.

And just to balance out the redneck stuff, my other last buys are:

The Roots - Things Fall Apart
Jurassic 5 - Quality Control
Jurassic 5 - Power In Numbers

[Bub, Andrew]

Welcome aboard Green.
I too was of the snotty "I like all music but Country" set until I started actually listening to the roots. In my opinion Country was great until about 1970 (when it got co-opted by country-rock, which is cool but sounds to me more rock than country). In 1980 when Kenny Rogers got popular it all fell apart (even though I still dig The Gambler). Country has gotten more poppy every since*. But man o' man, I do like Cash, Hank Williams Sr., Merle Haggard (the non-anti-hippie stuff), and Willie Nelson. It's all just folksy blues anyway.

Isn't Fulsom Prison Blues like, the best song ever?

*Three women singing Landslide, a song about lonely melancholy, fuck-all.

[Tyjenks]

Waylon Jennings...don't forget Waylon. Even if he did sing that damn Dukes of Hazzard theme.

I like everything, but country, too. My Mom made me sick of country growing up. Hearing today's country, however, I did not know how good I had it back then. Today's country, short of Shania and Faith of course, is utter crap.

[Jeff Green]

Right--Waylon Jennings. I meant to do a little research on him, find out what his best records are. Right now I'm so enamored of Willie Nelson that I may have to go through more of his catalog first. I *just* missed him at the Fillmore here in SF, and now I'm totally kicking myself.

I also want to check out some Emmylou Harris, because her backing vocals on the Gram Parsons CD are unreal.

But I plan on staying far and wide from "modern" country. My only exposure to Shania Twain at all was that horrific, surreal appearance at the Super Bowl., where she reminded me of a country Britney Spears and actually made Sting look *good* by comparison.

[Dirt]

WinMX.

[Jason Levine]

I too was of the snotty "I like all music but Country" set until I started actually listening to the roots. In my opinion Country was great until about 1970 (when it got co-opted by country-rock, which is cool but sounds to me more rock than country). In 1980 when Kenny Rogers got popular it all fell apart (even though I still dig The Gambler). Country has gotten more poppy every since*. But man o' man, I do like Cash, Hank Williams Sr., Merle Haggard (the non-anti-hippie stuff), and Willie Nelson. It's all just folksy blues anyway.

Couldn't agree more, Bub. My Dad is a retired professional violinist who was grew up on classical music and the swing and big band music of the 30s and 40s. I once asked him who were the best musicians that he had played with and he named:

Tony Bennett (doubtless a little bias there; My Dad toured with Bennett who was very generous to his musicians)
B.B. King (hard to argue with that); and then my Dad surprised me with:
Willie Nelson and Asleep at the Wheel. He said they were just incredible musicians.


Isn't Fulsom Prison Blues like, the best song ever?



If not, it's close. Although my personal favorite country song is Steve Goodman's much lesser known, "You Never Even Call Me By My Name."

[Mike Cathcart]

*Three women singing Landslide, a song about lonely melancholy, fuck-all.

John Stewart on this year's Super Bowl halftime show: "...and then Gwen Sefani joined Sting in singing 'Message in a Bottle', a touching song about isolation sung by a duet in front of a million people."

[Mike Cathcart]

While I'm here:

XTC - The English Settlement
The Books - Thought For Food
Wu-Tang Clan - Iron Flag
Jay-Z - The Blueprint
Talking Heads - More Songs About Buildings and Food
Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run

[Tyjenks]

Staind - Breaking the Cycle
Orgy - Candyass (Where the hell did they go!!)
Corrosion of Conformity - America's Volume Dealer and Wiseblood
Down - Nola (This CD kicks very large amounts of ass)
House of Pain - House of Pain (I shaved my head and grew a goattee because of you Erik Schrody - Excellent work in Judgement Night, my man :wink: )

[Anonymous]

Rainer Maria - Long Knives Drawn
Rainer Maria - Look Now, Look Again
Bonfire Madigan - From the burnpile
Sleater-Kinney - Call the Doctor
PJ Harvey - Rid of Me

[Sparky]

Goths Go Surfin'! (Black Bikini & SPF40 Mix):

Echo & The Bunnymen - Echo & The Bunnymen
Aqua Velvets - Guitar Noir
The Ghastly Ones - A Haunting We Will Go Go
The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
Ben Vaugn - Instrumental Stylings
Apoptygma Berzerk - Soli Deo Gloria
The Mermen - A Glorious Lethal Euphoria
Sisters of Mercy - Vision Thing
The Bomboras - It Came From Pier 13

[Mike Cathcart]

Sigur Ros - ()
Spoon - Kill the Moonlight
The Replacements - Let it Be
Max Tundra - Mastered By Guy at the Exchange
Pink Floyd - Animals (this is Met_K's fault)

Damn, I need some new music. Time to go to South Street.

[Met_K]

The Music - The Music
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut
Stone Temple Pilots - Purple
Ministry - Animositytisomina
Local H - No Fun (various live cuts and demos until the actual EP comes out in May, YAY!)

Seeing Ministry tomorrow. Local H is going to hit L.A. in the next couple months. I wouldn't mind seeing The Music next month, as they're a damn fucking great band. Definitely genuine, the real thing. STP are on hiatus still, but might have an album out this year. Scott Weiland solo for sure.

Pink Floyd? Well, for those of you who don't know, Dark Side Of The Moon is coming out in DVD-A/SACD on the 25th of this Month. Which I'll have before all of you.

Thank you goodnight!

Edit: Also, Live At Pompeii, Pulse, and The Delicate Sound Of Thunder ALL coming out on DVD this year. It's a great year to be a Floyd fan.

[Tyjenks]

Hey dildo,

How was Audioslave?

-tj

[Met_K]

I didn't see them because the god damn mother-fucking assholes at ticketmaster probably pre-sold all the fucking seats so it was sold out. Cunts.

[Tyjenks]

Sorry I asked. :)

[Dave Long]

Audioslave was an impossible buy in Philly, though I couldn't have gone anyway. They were at The Electric Factory, one of my favorite small venues too...fuck.

But that's no big deal... because I've got DISTURBED TICKETS! Hersheypark Arena, next Saturday with Chevelle and Taproot.

On top of that, I've also got FOURTH ROW for the Metallica/Limp Bizkit/Linkin Park thing this summer at Veterans' Stadium in Philly. Probably the last thing I'll ever see there before they turn it into rubble at the end of the Phillies' season.

My buddy is in the Met fanclub and he was poking around the ticket link just before tickets were supposed to go on sale. Turned out he guessed the link and it worked just a couple minutes before the fan club order link for Philly was added. My brother, a singer in a local act (http://www.gagagorilla.com), who is a veteran of many a heavy metal show, had this to say when I told him I got the tix...

"You're dead."

heh heh... I can't wait! Mudvayne dropped the makeup too so I can avoid seeing a guy with a gunshot wound done with makeup singing hard rock songs. Yay!

--Dave

[Sparky]

I didn't see them because the god damn mother-fucking assholes at ticketmaster probably pre-sold all the fucking seats so it was sold out. Cunts.
Well, make room on that "didn't effin' get to see Audioslave bench", guys. They were in SF the other night, but I never bothered to get tickets months ago because nobody else I know likes them and I wasn't gonna go all by myself. AND apparently it was a fabulous show AND they did a cover of Rush's "Working Man". Argh.

[Mark Asher]

I didn't see them because the god damn mother-fucking assholes at ticketmaster probably pre-sold all the fucking seats so it was sold out. Cunts.

Sparky, can we get this engraved on a Precious Moments too so we can have a matching Met_K set?

[Erik]

This urban Jew has been channeling his inner redneck lately.

Here's some suggestions from a rural ex-Jew for slightly more modern, but now pretty old, roots/alt-country:

Uncle Tupelo - pretty much anything
Bonnie Prince Billy - I See A Darkness is amazing, but other stuff is good too
Son Volt - Trace is their best album
Richard Buckner - Devotion & Doubt is his best album, but others are also good.
Smog - Sort of countryish, I guess.

Current heavy rotation: Some 19 year old Norwegian pop savant called Sondre Lerche. He wrote all the songs on his incredibly catchy first (and only, so far) album, Faces Down, when he was 16. If you like Flaming Lips, I pretty much guarantee you'll like this.

[Tyjenks]

heh heh... I can't wait! Mudvayne dropped the makeup too so I can avoid seeing a guy with a gunshot wound done with makeup singing hard rock songs. Yay!

--Dave

WooHoo...MudVayne!!

Disturbed puts on a great show. Enjoy.

[Dave Long]

FYI for anyone that cares...rumor has it that Judas Priest will be reforming with Rob Halford as lead singer this fall in order to take on a co-headlining tour with...

Iron Maiden!

That's so much classic metal under one roof I'm almost assured of spontaeous combustion upon the first chord. Talk about Metal Gods!

Meanwhile, Halford is touring this summer and will probably be in small venues again. For anyone that respects the man and all he's given to Metal, don't miss it. It could be the last time you'll see him on such a small, intimate and brutal setting.

--Dave

[Dave Long]

Two days...

--Dave

[steve]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00008J4P5.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
This just rocks all over the place. If you hate them because, I don't know, they got popular, or you think Jack White sounds like he's strangling a cat, you probably still won't like them.

I'll get all wumpusian and say EW sorta liked it but seemed to find fault with their fashion sense and choice of cover art in Europe. Rolling Stone gave it 5/5, and the Onion A.V. Club says, comparing it to records like "Let it Bleed" and "1999," that, "Only time will determine whether the album joins the ranks of those greats (though time looks to be on its side), but it shares their spirit of daring and diversity, and their desire to move forward when there seems to be nowhere else to go."

[Tyjenks]

steve - I have tried to not like them as their popularity has grown. After all, as you inferred, anyone who gets too popular has to suck. Creed, Limp Bizkit, Metallica, et.al. were all just fine when no one had heard of them and/or they were in a tiny niche and never received airplay, but then they sold out or whatever the kids are calling it and they all suck without question.

I love White's voice because it is different. Any originality in today's copycat musical world should be applauded. [cue applause]

[steve]

I love White's voice because it is different. Any originality in today's copycat musical world should be applauded. [cue applause]
I was prepared to hate this, but it's just too damn good. I love how primitive and raw and unpretentious it is, and how it occasionally sounds like Jimmy Page and Mo Tucker formed a band.

Actually, it's a lot less sloppy than past records, and better for it. Still a lot of tape hiss, though.

[Mike Cathcart]

Still a lot of tape hiss, though.

That was intentional. All of the instruments and recording equipment were vintage late 60's.


Rolling Stone gave it 5/5, and the Onion A.V. Club says, comparing it to records like "Let it Bleed" and "1999," that, "Only time will determine whether the album joins the ranks of those greats (though time looks to be on its side)

Rolling Stone gave 'Oops I Did It Again' four stars. Please. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Like White Blood Cells, the middle of the album is weak, and the singles just aren't as good. I'll probably listen to it for two weeks and never hear it again. So far my favorite review quote about Elephant is from Pitchfork (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/w/white-stripes/elephant.shtml):


The problem being that Jack White wishes to honor his diverse heroes with a limited palette. Imagine paying tribute to Edward Hopper, Ansel Adams, Robert Colescott, and Georgia O'Keeffe in mural with a foot-pump-operated Wagner Power Painter, a bucket of red, and a bucket of white.

[Bub, Andrew]

Rolling Stone gave 'Oops I Did It Again' four stars. Please. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Was it the same reviewer? I assume Britney was reviewed as pop, and scored accordingly. I don't think Rolling Stone is attempting to rate all music forms against each other, are they Mike?

[Tyjenks]

I thought that was 4 out of 5 stars on the whack-o-meter. Did they even mention her singing in that review?

[steve]

That was intentional. All of the instruments and recording equipment were vintage late 60's.
Oh yeah, I know. Just warning people that there's evil hiss on the CD. I dig the guitar tones from that old equipment.


Rolling Stone gave 'Oops I Did It Again' four stars. Please. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
And? I just gave the info that they raved about it. But really, how is this any different than Tom Chick loving Flying Heroes and hating Deus Ex. Does that invalidate everything he says in the future? And that's one person; imagine a publication judged solely by one review. Rolling Stone hated everything by Zeppelin, gave Nevermind 2.5 stars (calling "Smells Like Teen Spirit" a Louie Louie ripoff), etc.


Like White Blood Cells, the middle of the album is weak, and the singles just aren't as good. I'll probably listen to it for two weeks and never hear it again.
Thus far, I'm thinking everything after "Ball and Biscuit" (which just rules) is pretty so-so, with the exception of the tossed off last song, which for some inexplicable reason I dig. De Stijl is, by far, more consistent across the board than White Blood Cells, but I'm thinking certain tunes on this CD are better than anything else they've recorded.



The problem being that Jack White wishes to honor his diverse heroes with a limited palette. Imagine paying tribute to Edward Hopper, Ansel Adams, Robert Colescott, and Georgia O'Keeffe in mural with a foot-pump-operated Wagner Power Painter, a bucket of red, and a bucket of white.
That reviewer is so clever! He wins!

[steve]

the singles just aren't as good.
Actually, which song is the first single? I haven't heard anything from it on the local station, which isn't surprising since I only listen to the radio in the morning when I wake up.

[Mike Cathcart]

Was it the same reviewer? I assume Britney was reviewed as pop, and scored accordingly. I don't think Rolling Stone is attempting to rate all music forms against each other, are they Mike?

Bub, I don't care how they reviewed it, that album was not worth four stars. But the point is...


And? I just gave the info that they raved about it. But really, how is this any different than Tom Chick loving Flying Heroes and hating Deus Ex. Does that invalidate everything he says in the future? And that's one person; imagine a publication judged solely by one review. Rolling Stone hated everything by Zeppelin, gave Nevermind 2.5 stars (calling "Smells Like Teen Spirit" a Louie Louie ripoff), etc.

All I'm saying is that "Rolling Stone gave it 5 stars" isn't telling me much. They gave OK Computer four stars. OK Computer! Four damn stars! What the hell do you have to do to please these people? Apparently release the same album you made two years ago (that only earned four stars).

But really, is there any doubt that this album isn't worth five stars? I like the White Stripes, I really do. But there's just no way Elephant deserves the highest possible review score, there's just too much filler, and it's not very original. Three and a half, tops. Nice to listen to for a few weeks, then I'll never hear it again.


That reviewer is so clever! He wins!

Oh come on, it was funny. You're allowed to laugh at a band that you like.


Actually, which song is the first single? I haven't heard anything from it on the local station, which isn't surprising since I only listen to the radio in the morning when I wake up.

I'm assuming Seven Nation Army. It's the only one I've heard on the radio. Good song.

[steve]

All I'm saying is that "Rolling Stone gave it 5 stars" isn't telling me much.
Well, it was just a wumpus-like moment. Nothing more, nothing less. EW gave it an "eh" review.


But really, is there any doubt that this album isn't worth five stars?
I don't know. I like to listen to a CD for a few weeks before really judging it. I've found too many I didn't initially like that I totally dug after a few weeks, like Sleater-Kinney's "One Beat." I initially didn't like a bunch of the songs, but grew to totally dig 'em.

Based on the first 7-8 tracks, I'd say "5/5, definitely," since those songs just blow me away. As for it being original or too much like the last CD, that's not really an issue for me. It's also a be like De Stijl, but I happen to like the sound and vibe of both of those CDs. And I like how they stretch out in very minor ways. I don't need band reinventions with each record. (And I like the sustained feedback note on "There's No Home for You Here" with the multi-tracked Jack Whites singing over it. Also, I wonder how many bands have covered Son House and Burt Bacharach? Probably Elvis Costello.)

Overall, I doubt it's a 5/5 release, but I just thought it was interesting that RS was so into it. The review was by David Fricke, I believe, who's old school.


Oh come on, it was funny. You're allowed to laugh at a band that you like.
I'm just tired of all the post-modern winking going on in reviewing. It's all about how clever the reviewer is nowadays. "Let's make some great highbrow/lowbrow analogy that shows we're smart but acting stupid to keep it real! It'll impress all my fellow intellectuals who are ashamed of being smart!"

I blame Erik for infecting game writing with it.


I'm assuming Seven Nation Army. It's the only one I've heard on the radio. Good song.
Yeah, that's what I gather. I'm digging "Black Math" as a single, though it was probably too much like "Fell in Love With a Girl."

[Jeff Green]

I'm just tired of all the post-modern winking going on in reviewing. It's all about how clever the reviewer is nowadays. "Let's make some great highbrow/lowbrow analogy that shows we're smart but acting stupid to keep it real! It'll impress all my fellow intellectuals who are ashamed of being smart!"


Hey, that's a time-honored tradition of rock criticism--you can trace that way back to Lester Bangs, Richard Meltzer, Robert Christgau, etc. I'm not dissing any of those three (especially Lester Bangs, one of my early heroes). I think I'm just saying that this is by no means some kind of new phenomenon. In fact, when I read reviews like this one (which did make me laugh, in places), all I really think is: "Lester Bangs wannabee."

Still haven't heard the new White Stripes, but banking on Scooter to pick me up one at Best Buy today for $10. You hear that Scooter? Get off Q23 and go buy my CD! Now!

love,
your boss

[steve]

Hey, that's a time-honored tradition of rock criticism--you can trace that way back to Lester Bangs, Richard Meltzer, Robert Christgau, etc. I'm not dissing any of those three (especially Lester Bangs, one of my early heroes). I think I'm just saying that this is by no means some kind of new phenomenon. In fact, when I read reviews like this one (which did make me laugh, in places), all I really think is: "Lester Bangs wannabee."
That's true. Of course Lester Bangs was doing it in the context of long pieces that had serious criticism between all of the gonzo zaniness. And Christgau's short work is just phenomenal (I have a couple of his compilation record guide books). He, better than most, could distill the essence of a band into 50 words. I haven't read that many of his longer pieces, though, except on the rare occasion I picked up the Village Voice or saw something by him in some magazine.

Maybe it's just that all of those guys were better, though I will say that this particular review is actually pretty good, if a bit overly reliant on cleverness. Though the rating doesn't match the text at all. I'd say it reads like a complete pan, yet it's a 6.9 I assume out of 10?

(And it should be noted that my dislike of rampant cleverness is due in large part to jealousy, since I'm not clever or smart enough to come up with those cool/funny thingies.)

[Jeff Green]

I agree about Bangs and Christgau--I think both are/were phenomenal. You can actually sign up for free at the Village Voice's website to receive a notification of Christgau's new Consumer Guides whenever he posts them. I find his taste sometimes weird, but I always respect his writing.

I actually always use him as an example of how some of the best criticism is the shortest---just cutting to the chase. I still remember his review of one of the first DEVO albums: "KISS for college kids," which really says it all.

Scooter: go buy my White Stripes CD.

[Thierry Nguyen]

Scooter: go buy my White Stripes CD.

Hey fucktard, lemme go home early so I can buy your goddamn CD then.

[Dave Long]

Now I ask you, where else can you find an underling call his boss a fucktard?

--Dave

[Jeff Green]

Hey, now. That's MR. Fucktard Sir to you.

Now get back to work, prole.

[Met_K]

You dumb fucks are still occupied by White Stripes? Why? WHY? God damnit, why? What is so entertaining about their music? They can't make music, they can't. They're horrible. They sound like a thousand cats in heat, and that's just Jack's shoddy guitar playing. His singing makes me wish Earth would be destroyed to make way for a bypass so I wouldn't have to hear it anymore. The lyrics are worse than Vogon poetry.

Let's not get into his little half-sister bitch-slut. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer. Bad drummer.

Love,
Met_K (who still has better taste in music than you)

P.S. - This message is mostly aimed at those of you who can't differentiate between a great album and a good one. If you believe the White Stripes are infallible and can't make an album that's not worth five-stars, then you have some seriously deep-rooted artistic and creative denial happening. I can deal with differing opinions, but if you seriously, seriously think that their last couple albums deserve being praised as "album of the year" type material, you're sorely mistaken. Oh, and fuck off. Thanks.

[Sparky]

I'm a lousy guitarist myself...if I get my sister to play oboe, and we wear only aubergine and magenta and never wash our hair, can we get a record deal? I mean, TWO CHICKS! How can they pass that up? Our first single: a punky cover of "Come On, Eileen" by Dexy's Midnight Runners, on the flip side, "Ticket To The Moon" by ELO. And neither of us can sing, so it'll be extra fabulous.

[Jeff Green]

Our first single: a punky cover of "Come On, Eileen" by Dexy's Midnight Runners, on the flip side, "Ticket To The Moon" by ELO. And neither of us can sing, so it'll be extra fabulous.

Make that "Mr. Blue Sky" instead, and I'm first in line to buy it.

[Mike Cathcart]

Met_K is awesome.

Of course, he wasn't talking about me when he said his taste in music was better ;)

[Kool Moe Dee]

I'm a lousy guitarist myself...if I get my sister to play oboe, and we wear only aubergine and magenta and never wash our hair, can we get a record deal? I mean, TWO CHICKS! How can they pass that up? Our first single: a punky cover of "Come On, Eileen" by Dexy's Midnight Runners, on the flip side, "Ticket To The Moon" by ELO. And neither of us can sing, so it'll be extra fabulous.

Unfortunately, something like that has already been tried... (http://www.shaggs.com/) :D

[Met_K]

OK, so I finally managed to get ahold of an SACD player with a 5.1 setup, which means I've had a chance to listen to the remastered-in-5.1-Dark Side Of The Moon 30th anniversary super ultra platinum edition.

All I can say is: Wow. Fucking wow. Jesus Christ, god damn, wow. It's that good. It's that fucking good.

Picture your best trip, ever, and then multiply that by ten and add a giant flying pig, a pink elephant, and a purple dragon. That's how good it is. No, that's not how good it is, that's not even close. Picture what I just told you, then add your second, third, fourth, fifth, and six best trips into that. Then take that and add your top 15 orgasms (triple points if multiple people were involved), multiply that by how many women/men you've slept with (double points if you later found out they were really of the opposite sex than you thought they were), THEN multiply that by how many double-albums you own. Ok, with me so far? Good.

Then add a midget, an elf, and a Jamaican guy into the picture. The midget's going down on the elf and the Jamaican guy is trying to take your order at a Taco Bell. With me? That's how good the album is.

An acid trip was never so good until it was in 5.1. Now it is, and damn, is it ever Godly.

I can't wait for the DVD-A edition to come out. Mmm, drool.

[Tyjenks]

What's Dark Side of the Moon?

[Met_K]

...!

[Tyjenks]

Oh yeah! That's the Ozzy album where he is a werewolf on the cover. Thanks for not telling me and letting me guess. O knew I would get it.

When's that new Justin Guarini CD coming out? He's the biz-omb!

[Mike Cathcart]

Met, is it better than that time I played Total Annihilation for 17 hours straight? Cause that was a pretty good time.

[Met_K]

It's better than that time, as well. In fact, it's better than if you were smart enough to play TA for 17 hours while simultaneously playing a six-player game of Risk, as well. It's that good.

Ok, maybe I'm a little biased. At least I'm quotable.

[gnmarsh]

I somehow missed this thread, which is a shame, never have anyone to talk music to. Current cd's

evanescence - tool with tori amos singing

Idlewild

Reindeer section

whiskeytown ( ryan adams band before he went solo )

Robbie Williams - escaplogy

[steve]

You dumb fucks are still occupied by White Stripes?
Why? WHY? God damnit, why? What is so entertaining about their music? They can't make music, they can't.
I realize you're just trolling, but it sounds like you have a serious case of both, "Hey kids, get off my lawn" and "They're popular, so they suck." I can't imagine you'd be so upset if they were selling 2,000 copies of their CDs while touring, but now that they debut at #6 on the Billboard charts, they're evil. Just out of curiosity, have you even listened to "Elephant"?

Anyway, I wouldn't expect anyone extolling the virtues of 5.1 Pink Floyd recordings to actually like The White Stripes--as an aside, didn't punk make bands like Floyd irrelevant?--because you clearly value technical sophistication. Fuck Raw Power, baby! It's all about the number of bits used in the recording, and the number of notes a guitarist can play in a solo! Maybe for their next CD, the Stripes can get Steve Vai or Yngwie Malmsteen to play some solos and get some of that nice digital recording technology in there to make every solo as pristine as possible. I mean, I want to hear Jack White pluck every individual string, and I want the wall of fuzz to surround me. Imagine this (http://www.manic-pop-thrills.com/temp/song1.mp3) in 5.1 audio, wow.

(Note: one thing that's cool about the White Stripes is you can do MP3s of their songs at low bitrates and they sound the same.)


They're horrible. They sound like a thousand cats in heat, and that's just Jack's shoddy guitar playing. His singing makes me wish Earth would be destroyed to make way for a bypass so I wouldn't have to hear it anymore.
Just for you, I made an MP3 of your worst nightmare: Multi-tracked Jack White. (http://www.manic-pop-thrills.com/temp/song3.mp3)


The lyrics are worse than Vogon poetry.
They can never match the majesty of "Breathe, breathe in the air, don't be afraid to care... all you touch and all you see, is all your life will ever be." That's pure poetry. Profound. Wow. They rhyme "air" and "care" and "see" and "be." Phew. Hey, Jack White manages to rhyme "acetaminophine" with "medicine" on "Girl, You Have No Faith in Medicine."

Of course I kind of think The White Stripes are funny. "Let's have a ball and a biscuit, sugar, and take our sweet little time about it" (http://www.manic-pop-thrills.com/temp/song2.mp3) as a blues come-on... c'mon, that's funny.

Or here (http://www.manic-pop-thrills.com/temp/song4.mp3), "I'm inclined to go finish school, just to make her notice that I'm around." Funny stuff.


Let's not get into his little half-sister bitch-slut. Bad drummer.
See, thank you. I've always said the Beatles were crap because they had a crap drummer, and you've made my case too. So are the Ramones, The Replacements, and particularly the Velvet Underground, since Meg White drums a lot like Mo Tucker. A technically skilled drummer makes all the difference in the quality of a band.


If you believe the White Stripes are infallible and can't make an album that's not worth five-stars, then you have some seriously deep-rooted artistic and creative denial happening. I can deal with differing opinions, but if you seriously, seriously think that their last couple albums deserve being praised as "album of the year" type material, you're sorely mistaken. Oh, and fuck off. Thanks.
Yeah, that's what everyone was saying here. They're the best FUCKING BAND EVER!!!!

Curiously enough, they have a big fan in T-Bone Burnett, who has pretty decent musical taste. He got Jack White to do two different old folk and blues covers for the soundtrack for the movie "Cold Mountain." And Jack has a role in it as a folk singing soldier.

[steve]

By the way, this (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0316/eddy.php)is a pretty good review of Elephant, in case anyone is curious. Warning: It's the Village Voice, so all of the people with serious superiority complexes or aversions to anyone who doesn't write "for the common man" like they're not might want to avoid it. And Met_K will definitely want to avoid it, since this guy likes the record. But I'm sure lots of people will post things from it to mock and hold up as pretentious pseudo-intellectual masturbation.

So have fun, kids. I'm off to L.A. for a few days...

[Met_K]

Wow, Steve. You once again proved everything anyone's ever said about you true.

Thanks. Trolled. Bye bye now.

Edit: Oh, and seeing as how you seem to be on some punk crusade in your last post, didn't The Ramones being inducted into the rock hall defeat punk's purpose? Yeah! Anti-establishment!...unless it benefits us!... rock on, and keep punk alive, dude!

[Tyjenks]

I somehow missed this thread, which is a shame, never have anyone to talk music to. Current cd's

evanescence - tool with tori amos singing



I have been tempted 8.5 times to pick that one up. The last few instances I have done that, however, when I really dug the song that was getting airplay, the rest of the CD sucked.

While I am not buying your wild hyperbole comparing them to tool (that is dangerouslu close to blasphemy, IMO :wink: ), I may have to get it. Has anyone else heard this one?

Right now I am listening to:

GODSMACK

GODSMACK and finally

GODSMACK

[Mike Cathcart]

as an aside, didn't punk make bands like Floyd irrelevant?

:roll:

[Met_K]

Ministry - Sphinctour
Ministry - Animositisomina
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut
Local H - Pack Up The Cats
The Smashing Pumpkins - Adore

New Local H ep on the 27th of May, hope to see a show in a couple months. Ministry's still too hard for Tyjenks to listen to. Floyd's still too complex for Steve. Pumpkins are just who they are, and they're great to fuck to.

Saw Ministry on the 22nd of last month. Did I mention that show was fucking amazing? It was fucking amazing. As always.

[Tyjenks]

Bite me I listen to plenty of Ministry via Rob and White Zombie "remakes".

Oh yeah, always, always, always hated Corrigan's whiny vocals. Depeche Mode. Now that is some music to play when laying pipe.

[Met_K]

Bite me I listen to plenty of Ministry via Rob and White Zombie "remakes".

Oh yeah, always, always, always hated Corrigan's whiny vocals. Depeche Mode. Now that is some music to play when laying pipe.

Corrigan can blow me, he's an egotistical bastard. On the other hand, fucking to the beat is good to do. That and the lyrics are good, and make my girlfriend... uh. Yes, they're good to fuck to.

And I've found a new-found love for you, Ty. You like White Zombie. I don't care who you are or what you do, but if you love White Zombie, you're ok in my book.

[Tyjenks]

Bite me I listen to plenty of Ministry via Rob and White Zombie "remakes".

Oh yeah, always, always, always hated Corrigan's whiny vocals. Depeche Mode. Now that is some music to play when laying pipe.

Corrigan can blow me, he's an egotistical bastard. On the other hand, fucking to the beat is good to do. That and the lyrics are good, and make my girlfriend... uh. Yes, they're good to fuck to.

And I've found a new-found love for you, Ty. You like White Zombie. I don't care who you are or what you do, but if you love White Zombie, you're ok in my book.

I thought for sure you would be in the Zombie ripped off Ministry camp. Go figure.

[Met_K]

I thought for sure you would be in the Zombie ripped off Ministry camp. Go figure.

Fuck if I care if White Zombie ripped off Ministry. Disturbed ripped off Ministry big time, but do I care? No, I laugh about it daily. Disturbed are horrible, and they've done nothing to evolve their sound past what will keep them on the radio. White Zombie may have ripped them off sonically, but they're whole-heartedly original with their implementation. Bad horror flicks? Crazy metal-industrial from a guy who looks like he belongs behind the director's chair of a snuff flick? Perfect.

White Zombie brought fun to Ministry's sound, and that, my friend, is very, very cool.

[Tyjenks]

White Zombie brought fun to Ministry's sound, and that, my friend, is very, very cool.

Holy C_R_A_P!! Those are my exact same words.

Alanis Morisette ripped off what's her name (Ani DeFranco, that's it) and I still like Alanis better. I tried not to, but after seeing her new arrangements for her shows and the performance at her concerts, I could not help it.

If anything, I believe Disturbed stepped backwards with their second offering. Too much melody can ruin a decent heavy rock record and I think that very thing ruined Disturbed's recent release. For me at least.

But shhhhh. Dave Long likes it so we have to act like it is really good when he is around.

[Dave Long]

Fuckers!

:)

Disturbed is on Jimmy Kimmel tonight. Don't miss it, you pricks.

--Dave

[Mike Cathcart]

Um...Clinic rocks :)

[Tyjenks]

Ya'll don't ack like ya'll don't know who we be neiver.

Sorry, that is my favorite rap quote of the week. Did not really deserve a new thread, but needed to be shared.

$1.00 to the first person who can translate it from jive to English and name the artist. This is an easy one, especially, with the tremendous number of rap fans that visit this board.

[Mike Cathcart]

Ya'll don't ack like ya'll don't know who we be neiver.

Sorry, that is my favorite rap quote of the week. Did not really deserve a new thread, but needed to be shared.

$1.00 to the first person who can translate it from jive to English and name the artist. This is an easy one, especially, with the tremendous number of rap fans that visit this board.

"Violence in rap is taken to a new level when artist 50 Cent is cut into quarters"
--Chris Rock on Conan O'Brian (In the Year 2000)

[Tyjenks]

Shit! Why did you have to be here, Cathcart? Others could have guessed, but noooo Mr. In Da' Club had to be lurking around to spoil the fun.

I have often wondered how record producers decide what random rap shit-talking gets left in and what gets left out at the beginning , middle and end of rap songs.

The one above by 50 (pronounced Fi-tee) Cent is an obvious keeper, but what was cut out? Hmmm...I hope that does not keep me up tonight.

[Mike Cathcart]

Shit! Why did you have to be here, Cathcart? Others could have guessed, but noooo Mr. In Da' Club had to be lurking around to spoil the fun.

And you should love it, way more then you hate it
Tyjenks you mad? I thought that you'd be happy I made it

:P

[Brian Rucker]

Bram Tchaikovsky's "Strange Man, Changed Man", Elvis Costello and The Replacements. Comfort music for uncomfortable times. I've got no idea what the kids like these days but I'm okay with that.

[Met_K]

Local H - The No Fun EP
White Zombie - Soul-Crusher
Local H - Pack Up The Cats
Pink Floyd - Live At The Madison Square Garden 1973
Local H - Live, Various Shows (one for each new week)

I can't even tell you how good The No Fun EP is. Extremely great. Local H are hands down the best two-man band in rock, but that's not what is important here. If you enjoy good, psychadelic, punkish, classic-sounding, straight-forward hard rock, then this EP is for you.

Featuring a Ramones cover, a Godfathers cover, and three original new songs, it's worth it. I realize I'm coming across as a marketing blurb, but I really cannot convey how much I like this EP. They may be one of my top five favorite bands ever, but if you've got a good ear, and like good hard rock in the vein of Soundgarden, STP, Pink Floyd, Cheap Trick, Smashing Pumpkins, i.e. anything psychadelic, progressive, and the likes, it's worth it.

Don't like it? Tell me and I'll even give you the $8 it'll cost you to buy it.

[Brad Grenz]

The Concretes - boyoubetterrunnow
Duster - Stratosphere
Cake Like - Bruiser Queen
The Widgets (http://www.thewidgets.com) - How Come the Kids Don't Dance?
The Pixies - Surfa Rosa
Stephen Malkmus - Stephen Malkmus

This is some of the stuff on my Indie/Local MP3 CD. That's what's in the deck in my car at the moment

[Gordon Cameron]

as an aside, didn't punk make bands like Floyd irrelevant?--

??

That's sorta like saying jazz made Beethoven irrelevant. Time moves on but you don't ignore the gems left behind...

For my part I will take bloated '70s overproduced opera-rock over punk any day of the week. I like music to have outsized scope and scale and ambition. There's something to be said for gritty little tunes that "keep it real" and have the authentic garage-band sound (I am a fan of early Beatles, for instance) but it surely isn't the be-all end-all.

[Tyjenks]

Godsmack - Faceless
hed (PE) - Blackout (These guys are Grrrrrrrrreat!)
Cold - Year of the Spider
Cold - Thirteen Ways to Bleed

[Met_K]

Godsmack - Faceless
Cold - Year of the Spider

How are these?

I'm not a big fan of either (read: don't dislike but don't like, either, like them more than KoRn or that load of tripe), but my girlfriend loves both.

[Tyjenks]

Godsmack - Faceless
Cold - Year of the Spider

How are these?

I'm not a big fan of either (read: don't dislike but don't like, either, like them more than KoRn or that load of tripe), but my girlfriend loves both.

Just got Cold so the jury is still out. I'll report back.

Godmack - if you did not like the first two, you will not like this one. Same vein. Again though, in concert, they are wonderful.


Since you didn't ask - hed (PE) is the best of the three. They are on their 3rd CD and have managed to retain the raw feel and hunger from their first and second CDs. Love 'em.

[antlers]

Far from a punk or garage band, White Stripes are clearly the reincarnation of T.Rexx. I can't believe people talk about them without mentioning that.

Whether or not this is a good thing is left as an exercise for the reader.

[Bub, Andrew]

Far from a punk or garage band, White Stripes are clearly the reincarnation of T.Rexx.

T Rexx? Nah. The White Stripes are oddly versatile. Much more like The Kinks.

[Met_K]

T Rexx? Nah. The White Stripes are oddly versatile. Much more like The Kinks.

Just an FYI, that wasn't cheese in your pasta. Someone replaced it with white-out.

Just thought you'd like to know in case someone asks you why you're an UTTERLY USELESS FUCKING IDIOT.

Like the Kinks?! hahahahahahahahahhaha. ha.

[Tyjenks]

Cold - Year of the Spider

How are these?

I'm not a big fan of either (read: don't dislike but don't like, either, like them more than KoRn or that load of tripe), but my girlfriend loves both.

Cold is excellent. While I miss his unintelligible vocal growl that attracted me to them on their first CD (COLD) and not quite as prevalent in their second (Thirteen Ways to Bleed), Scooter* wanted people to understand his lyrics a bit more. Go figure. Turns out he does not have as many angry things to say after his girlfriend and sister have been diagnosed with Cancer since the last album's release.

After some vocal training, the songs are chock full o' pain and insecurity which I guess his former anger was covering up. Just like you Met. We all know that down deep you are a quivering little teddy bear who just wants to be loved and accepted by all.

Somehow, all of these bands cannot sustain their anger through multiple releases. All the cash and chicks soften most of them up. I am still angry though, so what am I supposed to do. Form a band and start destroying my vocal chords, one would assume.

*Yep, thats his name.

[Met_K]

Local H - The No Fun EP
Metallica - St. Anger
Metallica - Load
Metallica - Master Of Puppets
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here


St. Anger is an excellent album, in my opinion. For various reasons, really, but mainly because my love for Metallica is undying. I don't agree with a lot of things, truthfully, that they have done, but I do have enormous respect for them because of this album. It's extremely heavy, sort of in a 'Sad But True'-esque way, but a tad faster. I never thought Metallica could pull of making a heavy album again, but somehow, they have. How in God's name they did it, I don't know, but they did it.

'Welcome home, guys. Not that I have any problem with you making blues rock, like you did on Load and Reload, but it's nice to have you making a mixture of the two.' I've been thinking that in my head all day. The blues-influenced soloing combined with the heavy riffage from the middle-era Metallica stuff (Black, Justice) is really something original. You hardly find metal bands now who even know what blues is, let alone how to implement it and not go soft.

St. Anger is, for all intents and purposes, a completely original metal album from beginning to end. Not something that's easy to come by, but it is. I'm sure it will shatter Dave Long's illusions that Disturbed are a metal band ( :lol: ), and most anyone else who likes Deftones, Linkin Park, and Limp Bizkit are in for a large surprise if they think those bands are heavy.

This is the Metallica we know, and it's about fucking time they're back. Lars is drumming like a speed-freak on his last couple of pills, and he's shooting heroin to keep up until he meets his supplier. Kirk seems like he's stolen more Vai riffs, except the two haven't jammed together in forever. He's kicking ass again. James is the same down-stroke-only fanatic that he's always been, and his vocals haven't sounded this desperate in years.

All in all, this is Metallica's version of 'God Hates Us All.' Two of the best metal bands ever just had two huge come-backs within two years, with two of their best albums ever.

Fuckin' a. This is Metallica.

[Tyjenks]

Sweet. Thanks for the review. While I enjoyed Load, Reload seemed like a whole lot more of the same and I skipped it. I decided the next album of theirs I would purchase would have to include a long haired Kirk. I certainly hold nothing against bands that change their sound to stay in the business or even to make a wad of cash. If they have the talent, have at it and more power to ya'. I think "sell-out" is thrown around waaaaaay to haphazardly my supposed music fans and critics. If people enjoy the songs and by the albums, then screw anyone who has a problem with changes in their sound.

Anyways, I will pick it up now.

Met....have you listened to the COLD CD much. Did you leave your girlfriend over it because she kept playing it? DO you hate it because Fred Durst has been involved with the production of this and their first two CDs?



Fuckin' a. This is Metallica.
Let me add that this is a gay, melodramatic ending to an otherwise informative and interesting post.

[Met_K]

Sweet. Thanks for the review. While I enjoyed Load, Reload seemed like a whole lot more of the same and I skipped it. I decided the next album of theirs I would purchase would have to include a long haired Kirk. I certainly hold nothing against bands that change their sound to stay in the business or even to make a wad of cash. If they have the talent, have at it and more power to ya'. I think "sell-out" is thrown around waaaaaay to haphazardly my supposed music fans and critics. If people enjoy the songs and by the albums, then screw anyone who has a problem with changes in their sound.

Anyways, I will pick it up now.

Met....have you listened to the COLD CD much. Did you leave your girlfriend over it because she kept playing it? DO you hate it because Fred Durst has been involved with the production of this and their first two CDs?

Actually, she didn't like it as much as the other two. She thought it was a bit too commercial. And I'm not anti-Fred Durst, I'm anti-Fred Durst when he's being a dumb cunt like, oh, almost all the time except when he's sleeping or knocked unconscious. As far as Cold go, I like some of their stuff, mainly '13 Ways to Bleed...' I love the Major Tom cover, it's great.


Fuckin' a. This is Metallica.

Let me add that this is a gay, melodramatic ending to an otherwise informative and interesting post.

Only because you didn't include the italics/underline/bold that I did.

Fag.

Oops. There's that bug again. Time to call Big Huge and complain that their game has used some sort of mega kung-fu powers to enter my body from the real world and cause me to have control over the electronic one, except their code is buggy so instead I randomly shout out fag at people.

Note to self: Fag.

[Tyjenks]

Sweet. Thanks for the review. While I enjoyed Load, Reload seemed like a whole lot more of the same and I skipped it. I decided the next album of theirs I would purchase would have to include a long haired Kirk. I certainly hold nothing against bands that change their sound to stay in the business or even to make a wad of cash. If they have the talent, have at it and more power to ya'. I think "sell-out" is thrown around waaaaaay to haphazardly my supposed music fans and critics. If people enjoy the songs and by the albums, then screw anyone who has a problem with changes in their sound.

Anyways, I will pick it up now.

Met....have you listened to the COLD CD much. Did you leave your girlfriend over it because she kept playing it? DO you hate it because Fred Durst has been involved with the production of this and their first two CDs?

Actually, she didn't like it as much as the other two. She thought it was a bit too commercial.

I think that is more a result of Scooter wanting to have his lyrics heard a bit clearer on this CD. I immediately thought, there's another band down the tubes with over production and cleaning up for radio play, but the more I listen, the more I think it is just different. And not in a bad way necessarily. I still listen to the first 2 CDs constantly. Great band.

Limp Bizkit's first CD (Three $ Bill Ya'll) is still one of my favorites. Then Fred learned how to make a decent hook, play to what pseudo-metal fans wanted, and rake in the cash, fame, and poon-tang. Can't really blame him on all three counts. Now that they have all that though and, arguably, the best part of the band has left (Wes Borland), maybe LB can experiment and not keep making the same album over and over. That said, I still love "Nookie".

[Idar Thorvaldsen]

Asian Dub Foundation.
Power to the Small Massive!

[Anders Hallin]

My listening lately:
Carmina Burana
Hazel Dickens
Julie Ruin
The Clash

[Tyjenks]

Metallica - St. Anger
Coal Chamber - Coal Chamber
Public Enemy - Revolverlution (sp?)
Bone Thugs in Harmony - E. 1999 Eternal
Cold - Year of the Spider
Hed (PE) - Blackout
3rd Bass - The Cactus Album

[triggercut]

Currently in my heavy rotation:

Warren Zanes, Memory Girls
Fountains Of Wayne Welcome Interstate Managers
Various Artists Ragazza Pop
The Action Rolled Gold
Noonday Underground Surface Noise

[Kalle]

time to revisit the CD thread

Currently playing:

50 Cent
Aaliyah
Moneybrother
NWA
The Clash

[Bub, Andrew]

So, um, like, I'm the only one who bought the new Steely Dan?

[Tyjenks]

So, um, like, I'm the only one who bought the new Steely Dan?

Looks like it, Pops.

[Timemaster Tim]

So, um, like, I'm the only one who bought the new Steely Dan?

Quite possibly.

Hot Hot Heat - Make Up the Breakdown
The Strokes - Is This It?

Neither of them appear to be Steely Dan

[Bub, Andrew]

But it's awesome...! (Really, they haven't missed a beat in all these years.)

[wumpus]

How 'bout that new Jethro Tull, eh? Fucking ROCK!!

[Jeff Green]

Jeez, Bub. Even I have no interest in that, and I'm older than you. :) Though I do admit still liking some of their old shit.

Now playing (some bought, some burned, some old but back in rotation):

Radiohead - Hail to the Thief (two listens: like it)
Tom Waits - Alice
Supergrass - In it for the Money
New Order - Substance

Now on the verge of breaking down and buying all the Led Zep CDs (speaking of old.) The new live CD and DVD have been getting such rave reviews that it's sparked a Led Zep jones in me. They're one of those bands, like Pink Floyd, that I somehow felt the need to disown and purge sometime around 1977 when I allied myself with the punks, but have now come back around to appreciate as being as great as I originally thought they were.

[DennyA]

Okay, that's freaky. The last album I bought (other than Weird Al...) was Zeppelin. My old copy of Zep IV was (1) scratched, and (2) bought in about 1986, so it was a pretty crappy remaster.

Steely Dan's one of those groups that I liked a lot when I was younger -- and I still enjoy listening to their old songs -- but that I just don't have a desire to hear new stuff from. Their old stuff is just fine, thanks.

So Bub doesn't feel like a total fogey, though, I did buy the new Fleetwood Mac. It's "eh."

If your band has been around for more than 20 years, you should not be allowed to record new songs. (Yeah, I'm freakin' talking to YOU, Michael Stipe.) Just be a good little entertainer and go out there and sing the old crap that you know is all we really want to hear, thank you. Are too dense to realize what the moans and boos following "this is a song off my new album" signify? :twisted:

[Bub, Andrew]

Don't worry about me, I don't particularly feel like an old fogey thanks. How could I possibly feel ashamed on a message board where people boast of loving Stone Temple Pilots and buying a Weird Al Yankovic CD? :wink:

I've been a fan of "old stuff" Steely Dan for a long, long, time. I was shocked (shocked!) when I heard "Two Against Nature" (the one that hilariously won Best New Album at the Grammys some years back). It's good, it's great, and it sounds just like the "old stuff". This new one isn't as strong as the Grammy winner, but, again, if you consider Decade or Aja must own CDs, you'll enjoy the hell out of it. I think the secret is the sound. Steely Dan is basically just a jazz/rock fusion. The sort of music a person doesn't look ridiculous writing or performing when their ponytail turns gray. Good mood music too. Energetic and non-distracting when writing. Or open a bottle of red wine, put the kids to bed, put on the Steely Dan and dance with your lady. See what happens.

If you liked the old stuff, I'll tell you what to download to see if you like the new stuff.

I also bought Hail to the Thief btw. Not big on it yet, but like all Radiohead I imagine it'll grow on me. I really am cool. Seriously.

[Tyjenks]

Don't worry about me, I don't particularly feel like an old fogey thanks. How could I possibly feel ashamed on a message board where people boast of loving Stone Temple Pilots

:P

Hehee...I did see a new Lynrd Skynrd, too. That is probably a regional favorite, though.

[Bub, Andrew]

Hehee...I did see a new Lynrd Skynrd, too. That is probably a regional favorite, though.

Doesn't count. Unless they have the corpse of Van Sant propped up there by a guitar.

[Tyjenks]

Hehee...I did see a new Lynrd Skynrd, too. That is probably a regional favorite, though.

Doesn't count. Unless they have the corpse of Van Sant propped up there by a guitar.

I think they did a Nat Cole/Natalie Cole computer duet dealie with Daddy and son. :wink:

Hell, I was just yankin' your chain. I am glad when people find shit they like and stick with it no matter how archaic the bands.

I do have to ask if you are not a big fan of STP or the like, in twenty years, if we meet back here, are you going to ask us again if we got the new Steely Dan XXIII?

[triggercut]

Actually, MOJO gave the new Steely Dan a four-star review this month, and they're no old fogeys. I'd have picked it up, but old Steely Dan doesn't do it for me, so new SD isn't likely to, either...just a failing of my own. A buddy of mine who's way into Fagen et. al. says the new disc is gear.

Also in this month's MOJO is a nifty writeup of a record that was recorded at Abbey Road in 1968 by a St. Louis band called the Aerovons. Apparently, it was deemed so "beatle-esque" at the time, that EMI shelved it and then forgot about it. Anyway, a UK label is finally giving it it's first release ever, and the reviewer was just raving over it in the magazine. Already out in the UK, should be arriving at boutique-y style US stores later this month. I'll be picking it up--you say "Beatles", "Abbey Road", and "This song sounds a lot like 'Across The Universe'" and I'm all yours.

[Tyjenks]

A buddy of mine who's way into Fagen et. al. says the new disc is gear.

I was not aware anyone still said "gear".

[Bub, Andrew]

Sure, it's funny and witty and all when you guys bring up Fleetwood Mac, Jethro Tull, and, um, Lynyrd Skynyrd (post Van Sant), to compare Steely Dan to... but it only makes you look like you've never heard of Steely Dan. SD is much like a jazz duo, that's their sound Jack, and that's still their sound. Are you reeling in the years? Stowing away the time? Are you gathering up the tears? Have you had enough of mine?

Green, did you know that Tom Waits (god I love Tom Waits) has been recording longer than Steely Dan? ;-)

EDIT because I actually spelled Skynyrd wrong... my uncle would kill me.

[Met_K]

Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (New 5.1 DVD-A edition that I have because I'm a Jew and you're not)
Local H - The No Fun EP
Metallica - Load
Medeski, Martin & Wood - Last Chance To Dance Trance
Local H - Various B-Sides And Other Wonderful Songs To Whip-It To

[Jeff Green]

I like Steely Dan. I do. Or I did. Especially Pretzel Logic. If knowledgeable people say this new one is, err, "gear," then maybe I'll check it out. It's definitely acceptable "wife" music. I need to have shit like this around as compromise music that we both can tolerate, otherwise I end up being stuck with crap like (*shudder*) Joan Baez or, if you can believe it, French music, which is probably grounds for divorce in some states.

Tom Waits is in a different category from all these other 70s geezers, for me, cuz he is fearless.

[wumpus]

Or open a bottle of red wine, put the kids to bed, put on the Steely Dan and dance with your lady. See what happens.
Kill me now. Alternately: bring on the whores.

[Bub, Andrew]

I like Steely Dan. I do. Or I did. Especially Pretzel Logic. If knowledgeable people say this new one is, err, "gear," then maybe I'll check it out. It's definitely acceptable "wife" music.

Get "Two Against Nature" first. That's the "comeback" from about 3 years ago. Yeah, it's wife music. Now, mind you, you won't find anything as brilliant as "Deacon Blue" or "FM", but it's terrific um... "wife" music. Nudge, nudge.



Tom Waits is in a different category from all these other 70s geezers, for me, cuz he is fearless.

Plus... he don't need no make-up, he's got real scars, he's got hair on his chest (dum-dum-dumdum) he looks good without a shirt.

[Jeff Green]

but it's terrific um... "wife" music. Nudge, nudge.

Hey, man--I'm just talking about music to pay bills by while sitting at the kitchen table.

If we're talking about sex-with-the-wife music, then all I need is like one Ramones song, and we're done.

[Tyjenks]

but it's terrific um... "wife" music. Nudge, nudge.

Hey, man--I'm just talking about music to pay bills by while sitting at the kitchen table.

If we're talking about sex-with-the-wife music, then all I need is like one Ramones song, and we're done.

I think Bub says his is Christopher Cross. (That's the last one, I promise.)

Name Drop: I know one of the guitarists on tour with Tom Waits. Damon Johnson, lead singer from Birmingham's own Brother Cane. OK..I have talked to him 4 or 5 times, but I did go to his wedding shower and wedding with free booze and dinner. Tom Waits was there and played. It was later in the evening though and he may have been great or terrible. Not sure. By that time I had grabbed the ass of one of my wife's hot co-workers and the rest is really, really hazy.

[Bub, Andrew]

Kill me now. Alternately: bring on the whores.

Right, because dancing with your wife only leads to DDR score bragging rights in your little vagina-fearing world.

[wumpus]

I don't know which is worse. The fact that you referred to your wife as "lady", Lionel Richie style, or that Steely Dan is red wine and seduction music in your househould. Do you not own any Barry White records? Because you're caucasian to the bone, my friend. TO THE BONE.

Actually, believe it or not, Steely Dan is a running joke in our household-- one of the few bands that Betsy actually hates. So of course I turn up the radio really loud whenever one of their songs comes on, every time I see the box set in a store I offer to buy it for her as a present, etcetera, etcetera. Why? Because I enjoy bothering her. It's one of the few things in life that still gives me pleasure.

Although-- gasp-- I personally like Steely Dan, they desperately need to stop recording. This is what I call the "AC/DC Conundrum".

[wumpus]

Also: the vagina is scary.