Sharptonism at the Democratic National Debate

[Bob Cherub]

In a response to the question, did Bush lie, Al Sharpton revealed classic Democratic intelligence with the following enlightening statements.

"Well, first of all, I think that if he didn't know he was lying and was lying, that's even worse. Clearly, he lied. Now if he is an unconscious liar, and doesn't realize when he's lying, then we're really in trouble. Because, absolutely, it was a lie... So I hope he knew he was lying, because if he didn't, and just went in some kind of crazy, psychological breakdown, then we are really in trouble... Why do people lie? Because they're liars..."

Uh.. ah.. yah..

Now I understand the Democratic secret. As long as you MEAN to lie, it's okay. Like Bill Clinton's perjury. He knowingly lied so that's good.

Thanks!

Bob Cherub

[extarbags]

Are you retarded?

[Duality]

You need to ask?

[extarbags]

Well I just.... I don't know where to start with this damn post. It's... it's just absolutely insane.

[Midnight Son]

What de hell was dat all about?

[Troy S Goodfellow]

I wasn't aware that Sharpton was a representative of standard Democratic thought.

I guess this is the place to post Pat Robertson's suggestion to nuke the Pentagon as "classic Republican intelligence."

Troy

[Midnight Son]

I'm still pissed off at Robertson for not getting GOD to stop Hurricane Isabel!

[Anaxagoras]

Well I just.... I don't know where to start with this damn post. It's... it's just absolutely insane.

Most of his posts are. Usually he attempts to covers up his disability by sticking to tried and true slogans, but when he veers off the beaten track.... woah, Nelly.

[Robert Sharp]

I do find it interesting that Sharpton would see an unintentional lie as somehow worse than an intentional one. In fact, generally, if a lie is unintentional, we don't call it a lie at all. We call it a mistake. It's kind of odd to think that people actually know the truth about things and yet could still unintentionally lie. Of course, in this case, Sharpton most likely means that at some point, Bush knew the truth about this and that it was different from what he said. If he now doesn't know that truth, then he is insane or otherwise messed up. Still, it is an odd way to phrase things.


I have no idea what it means to lie unconsciously...is that like sleep talking?

[Ben]

Besides Cherub's nonsensical Clinton-bashing(jeez, the guy has been out of office for 4 years. It's time to let go), wow, Sharpton is really fucking stupid. Here's a man with a lot of authority and has had run for President not as a joke, and he clearly has no idea what the word "lie" means. Just wow. I can't even imagine how he escaped elementary school without picking up the definition of such a basic word.

[awdougherty]

I don't know, I watched the debate and his comment made sense, seemed spot on, and was pretty funny.

The question was did the candidates believe Bush lied about the WMD's to go into Iraq. Sharpton responded that yes it was absolutely a lie, but the question was did Bush know he was lying. The main thrust of that line of reasoning I thought to mean that we have a severe problem getting information to the President if he is jumping into Iraq for WMDs that aren't there. He's making huge choices based on bad info, and that bad info has to stop.

The rest about a psychological breakdown seemed to come at the end of his statement and felt like he was cracking a joke.

[Anaxagoras]

Sharpton's response, even when looking at it in isolation from its context, isn't necessarily dumb. If you say something incorrect and you didn't know it was incorrect, we generally call that an error. However, there does reach a point where people intentionally bury their head so deep in the sand that even though they technically didn't know that their statement was a lie, we would still say there's something wrong... I think self-deception is the word (phrase?) most of us would use to describe that situation... it can also be called lying to yourself. Now, when we deceive ourselves with "Maybe I'm just a little chunky" when you're 400 lbs, nobody suffers. (Except for the bloater in question.) When you do it about a pretext for war, there's something seriously wrong. To be honest, I agree with Sharpton that such gross self-deception by such a powerful man is, in a way, even scarier than a normal lie.

Anyways, I don't know if Sharpton actually meant all (or any) of the above when he made his statement. I'm just saying it's not necessarily dumb.

[steve]

In a response to the question, did Bush lie, Al Sharpton revealed classic Democratic intelligence with the following enlightening statements.
Keep in mind that Sharpton's campaign is being funded by a Republican, so in your world, he's revealing classic Republican-funded intelligence.

[Squirrel Killer]

Keep in mind that Sharpton's campaign is being funded by a Republican, so in your world, he's revealing classic Republican-funded intelligence.

Who out of this list (www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00001109&cycle=2004) is a Republican? Or is it a theory akin to Rush's that the Clinton's torpedoed Dean's campaign? (IE BS).

[extarbags]

Keep in mind that Sharpton's campaign is being funded by a Republican, so in your world, he's revealing classic Republican-funded intelligence.

Who out of this list (www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00001109&cycle=2004) is a Republican? Or is it a theory akin to Rush's that the Clinton's torpedoed Dean's campaign? (IE BS).

They aren't on the list, but I hear that Hype Hair for Teens Magazine donated a lot of money to his campaign covertly.

[Kyle Wilson]

Wow. Sharpton got only 5% as much in campaign contributions as Lyndon Larouche? (www.opensecrets.org/presidential/index.asp) And Lockheed Martin gave Larouche ten grand (www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00002047&cycle=2004)? WTF?

[steve]

Who out of this list (www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00001109&cycle=2004) is a Republican? Or is it a theory akin to Rush's that the Clinton's torpedoed Dean's campaign? (IE BS).
No, it's quite real. Here's (www.villagevoice.com/issues/0405/barrett.php) a story from the Village Voice. He was a "dirty tricks" guy for Nixon, was an aide to Lee Atwater and worked on Reagan's 84 campaign, is buddies with Karl Rove, came up with Sharpton's attack on Dean for race in Vermont... it's fun stuff.

The New York Times also did a feature on this, so it's not just wacky left-wing papers like the Voice noting this weird partnership.

[Squirrel Killer]

No, it's quite real. Here's (www.villagevoice.com/issues/0405/barrett.php) a story from the Village Voice. He was a "dirty tricks" guy for Nixon, was an aide to Lee Atwater and worked on Reagan's 84 campaign, is buddies with Karl Rove, came up with Sharpton's attack on Dean for race in Vermont... it's fun stuff.

Stone was in his, what, late teens-early 20's during the Nixon administration? Regardless of how precocious he was, he was the mastermind of Nixon's bag of tricks. The trick that got him into so much hot water? He donated to a rival candidate under a fictional group's name. Let's not forget that he also intiatially tagged GHBush with the wimp tag, campaigned against Pataki in New York and consulted for Trump's aborted Reform party presidential bid. For a partisan, Stone looks more like a gun-for-hire political consultant. Additionally, I think your characterization that "Sharpton's campaign is being funded by" Stone is a little overblown. Stone coordinated some donations to help Sharpton meet the federal matching funds' threshold, it's not like Sharpton is running his campaign off of Stone's blank check.

[Jason McCullough]

Keep in mind that Sharpton's campaign is being funded by a Republican, so in your world, he's revealing classic Republican-funded intelligence.

Who out of this list (www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00001109&cycle=2004) is a Republican? Or is it a theory akin to Rush's that the Clinton's torpedoed Dean's campaign? (IE BS).

Search google for "republican campaign manager sharpton."

[Bob Cherub]

Who out of this list (www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00001109&cycle=2004) is a Republican? Or is it a theory akin to Rush's that the Clinton's torpedoed Dean's campaign? (IE BS).
No, it's quite real. Here's (www.villagevoice.com/issues/0405/barrett.php) a story from the Village Voice. He was a "dirty tricks" guy for Nixon, was an aide to Lee Atwater and worked on Reagan's 84 campaign, is buddies with Karl Rove, came up with Sharpton's attack on Dean for race in Vermont... it's fun stuff.

The New York Times also did a feature on this, so it's not just wacky left-wing papers like the Voice noting this weird partnership.

That is one of the funniest things yet on this forum. Labeling the New York Times as NOT wacky left-wing.

LOL!!!!

[Oppressor]

In a response to the question, did Bush lie, Al Sharpton revealed classic Democratic intelligence with the following enlightening statements.

"Well, first of all, I think that if he didn't know he was lying and was lying, that's even worse. Clearly, he lied. Now if he is an unconscious liar, and doesn't realize when he's lying, then we're really in trouble. Because, absolutely, it was a lie... So I hope he knew he was lying, because if he didn't, and just went in some kind of crazy, psychological breakdown, then we are really in trouble... Why do people lie? Because they're liars..."

Uh.. ah.. yah..

Now I understand the Democratic secret. As long as you MEAN to lie, it's okay. Like Bill Clinton's perjury. He knowingly lied so that's good.

Thanks!

Bob Cherub

Let's see, since we're quoting a wackjob who happens to be a democrat, and extending his beliefs to mandatorily be that of everyone else in the party, let's see what happens when we quote wackjobs who happen to be republicans:

"I hope I live to see the day, when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!" - Jerry Falwell, America Can Be Saved

"There's never been a separation of church and state. The only thing that's been separated is us from the money." - Bishop Marva Mitchell of Dayton, OH, Faith-Based Summit, 2001

"I speak for Jesus when I say, 'Fuck You and the donkey you rode in on!'"
- Brice Wellington

"My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns." - James Watt, The Washington Post, May 24, 1981

"The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country." - Jerry Falwell, Sermon, July 4, 1976

"I've been portrayed as a caveman by some. That's not true. I'm a conservative progressive, and that means I think all men are equal, be they slants, beaners or niggers." - Jesse Helms

"Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade school classes that teach our children that CANNIBALISM, WIFE-SWAPPING, and the MURDER of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior."
- Jesse Helms

"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism."
- Pat Buchanan (11/22/83)

"The decline in American pride, patriotism, and piety can be directly attributed to the extensive reading of so-called 'science fiction' by our young people. This poisonous rot about creatures not of God's making, societies of 'aliens' without a good Christian among them, and raw sex between unhuman beings with three heads and God alone knows what sort of reproductive apparatus keeps our young people from realizing the true will of God." - Jerry Falwell, "Can Our Young People Find God in the Pages of Trashy Magazines? No, Of Course Not!" Reader's Digest, Aug. 1985: p142-157


Wow this 2004 Republican Party Platform sounds pretty yuck to me!

[steve]

That is one of the funniest things yet on this forum. Labeling the New York Times as NOT wacky left-wing.
LOL!!!!
ROFL!!!! :) :) 8) :cry: :twisted: :evil: :oops: !!!!
LMAO!!! :x :cry: :lol: :o :? :shock: :o !!!!