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theblackw0lf
12-10-2003, 04:14 PM
This needs more attention

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/7461139.htm

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Five thousand to 10,000 Iraqis tried to send terrorists a cease-and-desist message Wednesday from downtown Baghdad in the biggest demonstration against violence to date.


In Baghdad, the protesters snarled traffic by filling Fateh Square near the National Theater and Fardos Square in front of the Palestine Hotel. Chanting "No, no terrorism" and "Yes, yes Islam," they carried photographs of religious leaders and unfurled banners that read "The Iraqis Should Not Forget Palestine."


Coalition officials have said that despite pockets of resistance, most Iraqis support the presence of American troops and oppose the resistance. By strengthening Iraqi security forces and announcing a plan to turn over sovereignty to Iraqis by next summer, the United States hopes to stem some of the anger and frustration many Iraqis have voiced.


Protest organizers, including Brig. Gen. Tawfik al Yassiri, a member of the Iraqi Reconstruction and Development Council, which the Pentagon established in February, had invited political parties, religious groups, schools and unions to participate.


"We didn't expect this big a crowd to respond," said al Yassiri, who's also secretary-general of the Iraqi National Coalition, an exile group. "It was hard to organize all these groups who filled the streets and the sidewalks."


Marchers cited a number of reasons for demonstrating.


"There are so many jobless people. If foreign companies were to come here, there would be more jobs, but they will not come if they are afraid of terrorism, so we should protect these companies. We want to live," said Kareem Abed Kareen, 52, who's unemployed.


"All these shortages - electricity, propane for cooking, benzene (gasoline), oil for heating - and the high prices for all of these things, are connected to terrorism," said Amar Anwar, a 50-year-old hospital security guard who complained about sabotage. "Also, if you have no way to make a living, you will protest in another way, by causing trouble and making explosions."


But not everyone was feeling peaceful. "What did Saddam do for us? He slaughtered us all. What did the Americans do for us? They slaughtered us all," said an angry woman in a head-to-toe black abaya.




Abbass Hamid, 24, an off-duty taxi driver, decided to participate when he saw the crowd walk past. "This is the first time I've participated in one of these by my own free will," Hamid said. "I hope, if God is willing, the government will listen to us. I'm depending on them to make life better for us."

Video of the event here

http://reuters.feedroom.com/

pics from the event here http://www.donaldsensing.com/2003_12_01_archive.html#107109864088011111

Also more pics and info here
http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/archives/2003_12_01_healingiraq_archive.html#10710794057724 8802

And more info here

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2003_12_01_iraqthemodel_archive.html#1071070576343 57719

Rywill
12-10-2003, 04:24 PM
Encouraging. I also read a report that the US is getting lots more "human intelligence" regarding the terrorists--i.e., that citizens are sick of the terrorism and more willing to turn the terrorists in to the US, which is reflected in the greater number (and greater success) of US anti-terror raids in Iraq.

Obviously everyone has their agenda to push and it's hard to know what's really going on there. But 5,000 to 10,000 protesters is damn encouraging.

Jakub
12-10-2003, 04:38 PM
Why isn't this in the mainstream press?

Jakub
12-10-2003, 04:44 PM
And THIS (www.instapundit.com/images/noterrorismsm.jpg) looks like a photochop. We need a pro opinion.

theblackw0lf
12-10-2003, 04:44 PM
Why isn't this in the mainstream press?

Good question. Fox has covered it. Supposedly CNN has seen the video but they're debating whether they will or not.

Ben Sones
12-10-2003, 04:51 PM
Fox also covered the "Apollo moon landings were a hoax" story. I trust news from Fox about as much as I trust news from the National Enquirer. I would like to see this from more credible sources, too. If true, it is encouraging, though.

theblackw0lf
12-10-2003, 04:54 PM
Fox also covered the "Apollo moon landings were a hoax" story. I trust news from Fox about as much as I trust news from the National Enquirer. I would like to see this from more credible sources, too. If true, it is encouraging, though.

Reuters isn't credible? You can even watch the video

Jason McCullough
12-10-2003, 06:08 PM
A more interesting question is whether someone's paying them to demonstrate - like, oh, Chabali.

Not that I think it's true, but I wouldn't be shocked at this point.

Jakub
12-10-2003, 06:18 PM
Reuters isn't credible? You can even watch the video
In the Reuters video you see a bunch of people marching with signs in a language most people in this part of the world can't understand.

Rywill
12-10-2003, 06:33 PM
A more interesting question is whether someone's paying them to demonstrate - like, oh, Chabali.

Not that I think it's true, but I wouldn't be shocked at this point.
What are you, Howard Dean?

Jason McCullough
12-10-2003, 06:46 PM
Dude, after all the shit Chabali has pulled? Note I'm not accusing Bush, I'm accusing a crazed wannabe tinpot dictator.

Rywill
12-10-2003, 07:20 PM
"Here's an outrageous and incredibly unlikely allegation unsupported by any evidence. I'm not saying it's true. I'm just saying who knows?"

Is Jason McCollough a child molester? I don't actually know. Does anybody? Hmm.

Jason McCullough
12-10-2003, 07:39 PM
Yeah, what with him having a history of doing that kind of stuff, and him trying to get him installed as the ruler in spite of having no domestic power base. This is the same guy that was feeding Cheney and Feith those WMD lies, remember.

Uncle Larry
12-10-2003, 08:03 PM
Is it possible for folks who did not support the war and do not support Bush to welcome any positive fucking news comming out of Iraq? Any at all? If or when Bush is ousted next November, and our troops are still fucking there, will things magically start looking up? Will stories of Iraqi cooperation and contribution to the security effort be less scrutinized? Will they suddenly start to take our military at their word that they are making progress and doing good things? Will it finally be ok to bring the first democracy to the region in..well...ever?

Wherever you sit on the political fence shouldn't interfere with the facts. It's a tough fight, and it's still war. But everything you hear in the news is NOT everything going on in Iraq.

My brother-in-law is a Captain in the Air Force, and just returned from a ToD in Baghdad doing some command/control work. The command center he operated out of, one of Saddam's former palaces, was attacked in some capacity every other day. I got one opportunity to speak to him while he was over there back in October. He mentioned that most of the locals were friendly to the troops(this is Baghdad, mind you, not Tikrit) and even the ones who weren't as hospitable accepted the troop presence as a necessary. Most of the attacks were believed to be from Saddam holdovers and some foreign mujahideen-types. He really couldn't go into the specifics of his duties(microwave beams and what-not) but he did kind of get emotional when he assured me that they "were doing good things and making progress."

He's family and I supported the war, but for some reason I pressed him for some elaboration. Once again, he couldn't go into specifics about his duites, but he did share an anecdotal "one day on the street" tale. He and some fellow officers got off duty and sought out a barber. The "base barber" or whoever was in Jordan on some R&R so they had to patronize one of the local types. The shop they settled on was pretty busy, and there was only one seat in the waiting area, right in the middle of a couple of..well, you know...unpleasant "thuggy" arab-types. My bro-n-law's pals kept their distance, preferring to stand, but he's the engaging type and asked if they minded if he sat with them. One Iraqi replied, in english, "Hey, it's a free country."

It's not all bad news, and the good news that filters out isn't just propaganda. And to hear what little good news makes it out dismissed as such cheapens the sacrifice our troops are making, which fucking infuriates me.

Jason McCullough
12-10-2003, 08:34 PM
Hey, I'll be super happy if it's true, and there's a popular pushback against the insurrection and an Iraq gets a federal democracy. I just really don't trust things that look like astroturf organizing.

For example, remember that big event from the first days after the postwar where Iraqi citizens were pulling down statues and what not?

Well, it turns out the INC was behind it all. It wasn't even remotely a spontaneous demonstration.

Bob Cherub
12-10-2003, 08:42 PM
And THIS (www.instapundit.com/images/noterrorismsm.jpg) looks like a photochop. We need a pro opinion.

Heh, it looks like Scotty from Star Trek.

XPav
12-10-2003, 09:21 PM
Is Jason McCollough a child molester? I don't actually know. Does anybody? Hmm.
Yeah, what with him having a history of doing that kind of stuff, and him trying to get him installed as the ruler in spite of having no domestic power base. This is the same guy that was feeding Cheney and Feith those WMD lies, remember.
Jason, do you have something to tell us?

Seriously, Chalabi played the Pentagon like a fiddle.