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DennyA
09-09-2002, 07:12 AM
Windows XP Service Pack 1 goes live today.

Those of you who got your copy of XP from alt.binaries.cd.image need not apply. :-) (Although according to The Register, there's a new corporate no-activation warez version with SP1 integrated... But plan on Microsoft blocking its key from Windows Update once it spreads a bit.)

The update isn't live yet as I type this, but The Reg leaked the official download URL:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/whistler/SP/SP1/WXP/en-us/xpsp1_en_x86.exe

I grabbed it (133MB!) but haven't installed it yet.

At any rate, the initial buzz on the fixes is very positive. But given that games can have totally bizarre interactions with updates at times, I thought I'd create this here little topic so we could discuss any problems encountered, cool new tweaks, etc.

DavidCPA
09-09-2002, 07:35 AM
Thanks for the heads up Denny.

I am getting rid of all my PC games so I don't really care about the gaming impact. Have you read anything about non-game related changes? I just updated my ATI Radeon AIW drivers this weekend and experienced a couple of hard locks/reboots when playing DVDs under Win XP. I suspect it is a driver issue but you never know.

DavidCPA

Tyjenks
09-09-2002, 07:39 AM
ME

Everything is running as smooth as shit through a goose and I really have no motivation to upgrade right now, although I do have a copy of XP.

I have never changed OS's so I am also a little leery.

T Elhajj
09-09-2002, 08:05 AM
I have been beta testing SP1 for the last few weeks. The most noticable change to the UI is the goverment mandated options to control desktop icons for IE and the like.

Heh, is it no wonder that XP has the new clean desktop look?

Even as a beta tester I haven't noticed any really bad bugs. Of course, I don't get to game at work, so there is that.

Tyjenks, if you do decide to upgrade your OS, do yourself a favor and wipe the drive and install a fresh copy. Migrations never seem to work that well.

DavidCPA, what is up with getting rid of all your games? Hate it when that happens.

DennyA
09-09-2002, 08:35 AM
David,

Getting rid of all your PC games? I can't imagine doing that. Yow. Atoning for a terrible sin or something? Or just :shudder: going console-only in your gaming?

Tyjenks
09-09-2002, 08:46 AM
Tyjenks, if you do decide to upgrade your OS, do yourself a favor and wipe the drive and install a fresh copy. Migrations never seem to work that well.

DavidCPA, what is up with getting rid of all your games? Hate it when that happens.

THANKS. I had heard that from a couple of other folks and was planning to. Is there an option to empty the drive or am I to do it all one by one at the add/remove UTILITY?

And DavidCPA, every time I hear that an intelligent, well-spoken gamer gives it up, I die a little bit inside. PLease, say it ain't so.

Anonymous
09-09-2002, 09:15 AM
I managed to snag a copy of the release version of SP1 last week. Did a slipstream installation (copied my original XP disk to hard drive, slipstreamed SP1 onto that, and then burned a new XPSP1 CD), wiped my hard disk clean and did a fresh install.

Verdict so far is perfect. No weird bugs have cropped up. Performance is certainly snappier (yes, I know that tends to happen with a fresh install, but I'm hearing that from people who installed SP1 straight over their current installation as well).

Haven't bothered to benchmark yet, but so far I'm happy. People argue that you don't need SP1 because you can download all the security fixes seperately, but to me that's a hassle. Not to mention, SP1 fixes hundreds of non-security issues, like the odd memory leak here or the incompatible hardware issue there, etc, etc. Certainly, a lot of people have noted that many of the odd interface bugs have now been addressed.

Chris Nahr
09-09-2002, 10:29 AM
THANKS. I had heard that from a couple of other folks and was planning to. Is there an option to empty the drive or am I to do it all one by one at the add/remove UTILITY?

No, fresh installation means formatting the hard disk. That's much different from adding/removing programs. It completely wipes the disk (or the target partition if you have multiple partitions), removing all files and directories at once, including those of the existing Windows version.

When you install a new operating system, you insert the CD-ROM and then restart the computer. The computer will now boot from the CD-ROM, the installation program will auto-start without loading your installed version of Windows, and the installation program will then offer you to format your hard drive before installing the new OS.

Obviously you should have backup copies of all your important data at this point. :)

Tyjenks
09-09-2002, 11:15 AM
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction Christoph. I can hold my own in some PC tech areas, but I am a total novice when it comes to this as it is not an area you can easily practice with and/or learn as you go. :)

DavidCPA
09-09-2002, 01:41 PM
DavidCPA, what is up with getting rid of all your games? Hate it when that happens.


David,

Getting rid of all your PC games? I can't imagine doing that. Yow. Atoning for a terrible sin or something? Or just :shudder: going console-only in your gaming?


And DavidCPA, every time I hear that an intelligent, well-spoken gamer gives it up, I die a little bit inside. PLease, say it ain't so.

I need to focus on some other things right now plus I can't find enough time to really get into a groove with new games. I am angling for a manager's position that would require a relocation plus my wife may be starting a new business that would require some of my time. Something had to go and it just seemed like a good time to get out of gaming.

Before I put the stuff on e-bay, I'll probably post a list of items (games, periphials, etc) on this board to see if they interest anyone. Not looking to get much for them, but need the space in my house.

Back on topic, 133 MB download for the service pack :shock: Thank goodness for DSL :D

-DavidCPA

Anonymous
09-09-2002, 01:45 PM
"Something had to go and it just seemed like a good time to get out of gaming."

What about dropping gaming message boards first?

DennyA
09-09-2002, 01:50 PM
Man, when I add stress to my life, gaming helps keep me sane. I just avoid the stuff like Civ that can suddenly suck up 7 hours and stick to the quick-play games.

I've found Moonbase Commander wonderful for deadline week. I can play a quick 15-minute game and unload tons of stress through judicious destruction of evil opponents.

Anonymous
09-09-2002, 02:06 PM
I think that's what Bush is up to in Iraq.

"I've found Iraq Invasion II wonderful for election week. I can play a quick 15-month game and unload tons of stress through judicious destruction of evil opponents."

Sean Tudor
09-09-2002, 03:23 PM
Before I put the stuff on e-bay, I'll probably post a list of items (games, periphials, etc) on this board to see if they interest anyone. Not looking to get much for them, but need the space in my house.-DavidCPA

Let's hope Adam At Sierra doesn't find out about your Ebay auction. I am sure he will sift through it with a fine toothed comb looking for Sierra games to police.

Anonymous
09-09-2002, 03:58 PM
Sierra should hire the Impossible Mission Force to put self-destruct timed plastique charges on the review copies of CDs.

Talk aboutcher 'eject' button!

Anonymous
09-09-2002, 04:13 PM
Sierra should hire the Impossible Mission Force to put self-destruct timed plastique charges on the review copies of CDs.

This game will self destruct in 10 seconds. Good luck Jim.

Phhssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss


[cue music]

Anonymous
09-09-2002, 04:23 PM
"This game will self destruct in 10 seconds. Good luck Jim."

Wasn't that a quote from the first Battlecruiser game?

Ba-dump-bump!

Anonymous
09-09-2002, 11:36 PM
To get this thread back on subject... here's the list of SP1 fixes. Somewhere around 308 fixes. Now you know why most system admins wait until the first major service pack before they deploy an MS NT OS.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/support/ServicePacks/Windows/XP/SP1FixList.asp

In addition, SP1 also includes IE6 SP1, which includes another whole ranges of fixes and security patches for the web browser. The list of IE6 fixes is below

http://support.microsoft.com/common/canned.aspx?R=d&H=List%20of%20Fixes%20in%20Microsoft%20Internet%20 Explorer%206%20SP1&LL=support&Sz=kbIE600sp1fix&Fr=&DU=&SD=GN&LN=EN-US&CND=1&VR=&CAT=&VRL=&SG=&MaxResults=150

Chris Nahr
09-10-2002, 12:00 AM
Thanks for the list of fixes. 133 MB is way too much for my poor little 56k modem but with a bit of luck I'll get my ADSL connection this week. :)

DavidCPA
09-10-2002, 06:23 AM
"Something had to go and it just seemed like a good time to get out of gaming."

What about dropping gaming message boards first?

Let's do the math:

110 posts between 6/13/02 and 8/9/02 (58 days) = 1.9 posts per day

5 posts between 8/10/02 and 9/10/02 (32 days) = .16 posts per day

For the nitwitted, .16 is less than 1.9.

-DavidCPA

DavidCPA
09-10-2002, 07:11 AM
FUBAR Alert!!!!

You need to take all appropriate precautions (backups, have program CDs handy, etc) before installing XP SP1 using Windows Update in IE. I kicked off the SP1 install yesterday afternoon and the install hung at the very end of the process :shock: I was bluescreened with some sort of kernal error and a physical memory dump. Rebooting my PC resulted in an endless reboot cycle. Safe mode, last known good configuration, no recovery option worked. I called MS and spent about 2 - 2.5 hours over 2 different calls to get my PC in some sort of working order. The install hang using Windows Update is a known issue and the only current resolution is a Windows XP reinstall :evil: Update at your own risk.

A couple of positive notes:

The MS support people were very patient and walked me through all the necessary steps. At one point, I was put on hold so the tech could see if there were any other options than a reinstall to fix the problem. While I was on hold, I had to go pick up my daughter from gymnastics class (10 min round trip). Lacking any way to tell the tech I would be back, I turned on my stereo in hopes that he would realized that he was on "hold" on my end. Luckily he did understand and was there when I returned.

On my second call, the MS tech saved me from divorce and/or suicide as he helped me recover my wife's outlook express folders. I probably would have found them but I needed to find them NOW :!: as my wife returned home yesterday and I had FUBAR'd here PC.

I am not only leaving gaming, but the PC upgrade business as well :)

-DavidCPA

mlatin
09-10-2002, 07:41 AM
hmm, i did the SP1 via Windows Update on my laptop (winxp home), and while it took a long while, it worked just fine.

YMMV.

-mike 'mlatin' latinovich

hido
09-10-2002, 09:03 AM
My SP1 experience:

Downloaded, installed, ran 3DMark, crashed during benchmark, Ran it again, crashed. Uninstalled SP1, system lock. Reboot, went to uninstall again, computer tells me that it is uninstalled, but there were some errors while uninstalling.

I feel a re-format coming on.

Mark Bussman
09-10-2002, 09:04 AM
Lacking any way to tell the tech I would be back, I turned on my stereo in hopes that he would realized that he was on "hold" on my end. Luckily he did understand and was there when I returned.

I have to say I think that's pretty impressive.

Anonymous
09-10-2002, 09:44 AM
I don't even bother installing such a major update through Windows Update because of the potential problems that could come up. To me, a service pack is like a new version of Windows; it's always better to do a clean install rather than upgrade over your current installation.

That's why I slipstreamed SP1 onto an XP CD. That way, all you need to do is backup your important data, reformat your hard drive, and just install XP again with SP1 is already included on the CD. Like I said, I've had absolutely no problems whatsoever with SP1 by doing it that way.

nife2o4
09-10-2002, 09:56 AM
Did anyone see the Screensavers last night?

They demonstrated the security flaw in XP that Service Pack 1 fixes. It's possible for someone to create a hypertext link on a webpage or in an email that will delete files on an XP computer. Something to do with the Help system apparently. They also showed the file that you can delete or rename to fix this flaw: uplddrvinfo.htm. So if you're unable to get SP1 right away, you might want to nuke that file so you don't have to worry about losing data.

-Trevor

DennyA
09-10-2002, 10:17 AM
Yep, I installed it on my laptop last night. It was painless.

Probably because I have games on the drive. Anecdotal evidence in this group indicates that removing all PC games from your drive will result in a problematic installation. :twisted:

I did note during the installation that it warned me at least twice that I should back up data and create a system recovery backup, so obviously Microsoft treats this as more risky than your typical "Windows Update" patch.

James Gutierrez
09-10-2002, 10:54 AM
The only problem I ran into was that I had to edit my boot.ini to get rid of the customized boot screen I had. Probably not something that 99% of the world would run into.

Anonymous
09-10-2002, 12:51 PM
I don't even bother installing such a major update through Windows Update ... That's why I slipstreamed SP1 onto an XP CD. That way, all you need to do is backup your important data, reformat your hard drive, and just install XP again with SP1 is already included on the CD.

And what is the command to do this slipstream thing? Is this something for mere mortals?

Anonymous
09-10-2002, 01:10 PM
Slipstream is taking the SP1 code and integrating it into your XP CD code, so instead of having an XP CD, you have an XP CD with SP1 already built in. You don't have to install SP1 because it's already been "slipstreamed" into XP. It saves a lot of hassles, especially if you're a network admin and you have to manage dozens of systems. Instead of having to install XP and then install SP1, you can just take one CD and install it all in one swoop.

Instructions are fairly simple. Below is a link to slipstream SP2 for Win2K. Just modify it for XP and you'll be fine. (If you're going to make a bootable XP CD, you're going to need something like Roxio. I didn't make a bootable CD, since my system won't boot off a CD. In that case, you need to get the XP setup disk program off Microsoft, a bunch of floppies, and then make a couple of modifications to the bootup floppies so they'll work with SP1).

http://www.thetechguide.com/articles/slipstream.html

Anonymous
09-10-2002, 01:14 PM
I should also add, those Win2K slipstream instructions on The Tech Guide page need a little modification to work with XP.

Instead of using "/s", I believe you need to use "-s".

So instead of...
"c:\sp2\i386\update\update.exe /s:c:\win2k"

you should have...
"c:\sp2\i386\update\update.exe -s:c:\win2k"

DavidCPA
12-09-2002, 02:21 PM
DavidCPA, what is up with getting rid of all your games? Hate it when that happens.


David,

Getting rid of all your PC games? I can't imagine doing that. Yow. Atoning for a terrible sin or something? Or just :shudder: going console-only in your gaming?


And DavidCPA, every time I hear that an intelligent, well-spoken gamer gives it up, I die a little bit inside. PLease, say it ain't so.

I need to focus on some other things right now plus I can't find enough time to really get into a groove with new games. I am angling for a manager's position that would require a relocation plus my wife may be starting a new business that would require some of my time. Something had to go and it just seemed like a good time to get out of gaming.

Before I put the stuff on e-bay, I'll probably post a list of items (games, periphials, etc) on this board to see if they interest anyone. Not looking to get much for them, but need the space in my house.

Back on topic, 133 MB download for the service pack :shock: Thank goodness for DSL :D

-DavidCPA

Ok, 3 months is all I could take. I reinstalled Diablo 2 this past weekend as I have been missing the gaming scene. Didn't even get around to selling my gaming stuff. I won't game as much as before, but I like the hobby.

I also didn't get that manager's position so I have more time to game as a peon.

-DavidCPA