iPad3 LTE?!

[Chris Johnson]

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/13/ipad-3-with-lte-quad-core-processor-and-retina-display-set-for-march-launch/

Interesting...

[Gendal]

If it does in fact have a higher resolution screen then I will put in my preorder as soon as they are up.

The screen might still be too small to comfortably view most PDF files with out scrolling but I am a sucker for more pixels.

[Michael Fortson]

The resolution is a certainty. LTE, though, I'm less sure about: public information about any LTE chipsets that Apple would use puts availability at mid-year, and the iPad is expected before then. So perhaps the best way to read this is that Qualcomm is ahead of schedule.

When does Qualcomm report earnings? If it's soon, that would be a good option call.

[ChrisPal]

I will have a lot of work convincing my wife to let me get this or my company to foot the bill. Damned if I won't try!

[stusser]

Ideally they wouldn't make a wifi version at all and wouldn't charge a premium for the cellular modem either. It should be subsidized by carriers, since it will obviously be making them money.

[Hugin]

Ideally they wouldn't make a wifi version at all and wouldn't charge a premium for the cellular modem either. It should be subsidized by carriers, since it will obviously be making them money.

But then the carriers would have to charge some kind of subscription cellular plan for tablets, and no one wants that.

[Blips]

How much of a resolution increase do you guys expect to see. Maybe +50% at most? I personally can't imagine wanting LTE over wifi even though I know it would be great for those who like to carry iPads around when traveling.

[Mike Cathcart]

Don't care about LTE but I'm pretty much ordering as soon as it's available. I put off buying the last two because I had other big purchases to make around the same time but now I'm ready to get in on that sweet iPad boardgaming action.

[Blips]

I put off buying the last two because I had other big purchases to make around the same time but now I'm ready to get in on that sweet iPad boardgaming action.

I quite literally just bought one a few days ago despite knowing that a new iPad was most likely on its way in March :(

Not a big deal - if I had been thinking however, I would have picked it up on boxing day instead.

[Nawid A]

LTE? Eh. I don't see how LTE AND Retina wouldn't instakill the battery but then again the insides of the iPad is like 98% battery. Won't be buying that model anyway. Selling my Touchpad and iPad soon.

[Hugin]

LTE? Eh. I don't see how LTE AND Retina wouldn't instakill the battery but then again the insides of the iPad is like 98% battery. Won't be buying that model anyway. Selling my Touchpad and iPad soon.

Supposedly lower power LTE chipsets, coupled with a larger internal battery.

[stusser]

But then the carriers would have to charge some kind of subscription cellular plan for tablets, and no one wants that.
I don't see why. It's not like the modem costs very much. Also by eliminating half their models, apple would cut their costs as well.

[Blips]

I don't see why. It's not like the modem costs very much. Also by eliminating half their models, apple would cut their costs as well.

I wasn't even aware there was a 3g option for the iPad 2 until I asked which model I wanted so I'm not sure it works - are consumers essentially require to sign on with a cell provider and pay a monthly fee for internet?

[Clay]

It's month to month. You can cancel and re-up any time.

[stusser]

Right. No contract. It's pretty awesome.

[Pyperkub]

Right. No contract. It's pretty awesome.

One of my pet peeves - why month to month and not day to day? It just seems like such a ripoff...especially when you have already paid what appears to be full price for the additional radio and antenna.

Ditto for wifi sharing on phones, minus the upcharge logic.

Epic 4g/Tapatalk

[Wholly Schmidt]

Ideally they wouldn't make a wifi version at all and wouldn't charge a premium for the cellular modem either. It should be subsidized by carriers, since it will obviously be making them money.

Are you suggesting they only make one version, which includes wifi and LTE, or only make one version, which only has LTE? I'm almost certain you mean the former, the latter sounds crazy to me.

But if you mean the former, then there's no way in hell carriers would subsidize without a contract on a device someone (and I'm guessing even the majority of owners) will never or rarely pay for LTE with.

It would be nice if the only model differentiation was storage, if all models had wifi and the LTE option. It'd be nicer for manufacturing and simpler for customers. But the only way I can see that happening is if Apple can still afford to do all that with a base model at $500 and no subsidy. I don't think we're going to see the low end price raise, and if the whole point is to streamline the lineup, I don't think we're likely to see them compromise elsewhere, like keeping the existing screen on the $500 model and going up to "retina" screens on more expensive versions.

Unrelated: I bet we see the iPad 2 stay in production at sub $500 prices, adopting the iPhone pricing model of keeping last year's hardware around as the "budget" offering.

[Sarkus]

Unrelated: I bet we see the iPad 2 stay in production at sub $500 prices, adopting the iPhone pricing model of keeping last year's hardware around as the "budget" offering.

While that would be quite cutthroat in terms of what it would do to their competitors, I'd still be surprised if they did that. Mainly because they aren't having a particularly hard time selling them starting at $500.

[stusser]

Are you suggesting they only make one version, which includes wifi and LTE, or only make one version, which only has LTE? I'm almost certain you mean the former, the latter sounds crazy to me.

But if you mean the former, then there's no way in hell carriers would subsidize without a contract on a device someone (and I'm guessing even the majority of owners) will never or rarely pay for LTE with.
The former, obviously. And again, the cellular modem doesn't cost very much.

[Wholly Schmidt]

Okay. I can buy the possibility that LTE could be on all of the new models, it's just contingent on how cheap Apple can do it. I think keeping the low-end model at $500 and not making sacrifices elsewhere to splinter the product line are both higher priorities than getting LTE as a standard option. So I'm still not expecting it to be standard, but won't be totally shocked if it is. Carrier-subsidized iPads though, that would shock me.

[Menzo]

My prediction:

iPad 2 8gb - $299
iPad 3 16gb - $399
iPad 3 32gb - $499
iPad 3 64gb - $599
+$100 for LTE for each iPad 3 model

[Michael Fortson]

My prediction:

iPad 2 8gb - $299
iPad 3 16gb - $399
iPad 3 32gb - $499
iPad 3 64gb - $599
+$100 for LTE for each iPad 3 model

That sounds about right to me (except they could be sticking with the $130 price difference for the WAN models). The iPad 2 will be needed to hold the line against the Kindle Fire (I'd like to see $249 via some sort of partnership, but that's probably crazy talk).

When I think about the hardware costs for a resolution-doubled model, though, yields on such large, dense displays could easily hold the starting price of the iPad 3 at $499. If they do a smaller screen size model, that's where the $399 starting price could come into place a bit more easily.

[Gendal]

The resolution is a certainty.
I wouldn't want to argue against this given the amount of rumors from everything from manufacturers to image resolutions in Apple's own Firmware but I still won't believe it till I see it.

2048x1536? That's impressive to me being a resolution buff and no small feat for Apple and it's suppliers. I haven't been so excited about a gadget in years.

[Misguided]

My prediction:

iPad 2 8gb - $299
iPad 3 16gb - $399
iPad 3 32gb - $499
iPad 3 64gb - $599
+$100 for LTE for each iPad 3 model

Seems reasonable, except for an 8GB ipad2. Make that 16, which is the smallest size currently offered.

[Wholly Schmidt]

My prediction:

iPad 2 8gb - $299
iPad 3 16gb - $399
iPad 3 32gb - $499
iPad 3 64gb - $599
+$100 for LTE for each iPad 3 model

I don't think we'll see an iPad 3 for less than $500. That might just mean that we scratch the 16GB off your list and the low end now comes with 32GB because memory prices have dropped enough for that to work, or it might mean keep the same 16/32/64 storage configurations and add $100 to each of your prices, but with the (assumed) improvements in processor and display, I suspect they still can't comfortably price a new model below $500. It's not like direct competitors are pricing similar offerings cheaper, and if they do keep the iPad 2 around as the sub $500 model, there's even less pressure to position the iPad 3 any cheaper.

So I'm making the boring, conservative prediction: exactly the same price breakdown as it is now. iPad 3 in 16GB/32GB/64GB models for $499/$599/$699, with iPad 3 + LTE (or 4G, or whatever they call it) an extra $130 on each model.

And they'll keep around one version of the iPad 2; Wi-Fi only, 16GB, available for $399. No more 3G models on the iPad 2 because they don't want to have to keep making separate versions for separate carriers.

[stusser]

They can't sell them fast enough as it is, so there's no reason to drop the price of the 16GB current generation. It'll be at least $500.

I basically agree with Menzo's list, just adding $100 to each level.

[Wholly Schmidt]

Okay, forgive me for turning this into general-purpose iPad 3 speculation, but my roommate and I just had this conversation: Will the iPad 3 have Siri?

Of course it will, it's certainly powerful enough (arguably the current model is) and Siri is the way forward for Apple. Expect it on future Apple TVs and eventually in Mac OS X, so of course it will be on iPads.

or

Of course it won't. Apple can't guarantee your iPad will have access to a data network and they don't want to damage the image of Siri as your magical assistant with the much more mundane technical reality of holding down the button and having Siri announce "I'm sorry, you need to be connected to a network to use me".

I lean toward the latter, but only a little. It seems like a pretty interesting question to me. And as a bonus for stusser, how about this "Wouldn't it be crazy..." scenario? What if, as stusser suggests, all iPad 3s have cellular networking (maybe they all have 3G at no extra cost but LTE now costs extra?), and all iPad 3s have an always on, free, data connection for Siri use only? Sorta like the early Kindles with free 3G. It means Apple's eating the cost of the cellular hardware as well as whatever they have to pay the carriers, so it seems unlikely, but I can almost believe it's no more unlikely than a compromised Siri.

And I guess the same conversation applies on some level to iPod Touches.

[stusser]

I expect it will have Siri, but it won't work without a data connection. They're not going to follow amazon with free 3G, because apple doesn't actually rely on sales from their app/media stores for revenue, they're a hardware company.

[Wholly Schmidt]

I'm not sure how you mean that in relation to what I just said. And in relation to what you just said, skip to my second to last paragraph, because the rest of this is me restating my assumptions about how Apple is positioning Siri.

We all understand what Siri technically is and basically how it works. It's using voice recognition to hear what you're saying, then it's using a pretty impressive interpreter that parses and figures out meaning and intent, and then a bunch of hooks into system functions and a (potentially) growing number of external services to act on your commands and provide answers for your questions. And we know that it's offloading a lot of that to servers, not just the obvious requests you make for information, but the interpretation and parsing is happening off in Cloudsville. It needs an internet connection.

So we all know what's going into Siri technically, but Apple doesn't sell tech specs or bullet points. This sounds corny, but Apple is selling you a solution, they're selling you this complete thing called Siri, personal assistant. It doesn't have caveats, it doesn't have requirements, it doesn't have prerequisites. That they even stuck with the name Siri is evidence of this. Apple brought Siri to your phone, Apple didn't bring text-to-speech to your phone. It's there, on your phone, always, with no configuration or demands on you.

I know, I know, it does have caveats. Servers can be overwhelmed, you could be in airplane mode, you could be driving down an interstate with no coverage, but these are acceptable tradeoffs. Apple will work to improve server problems, and there's nothing they can do if through action on your part or unfortunate geographical circumstances you remove your iPhone from the assumed operating environment of "has access to the internet". But that's a big difference from the iPads out there in the world. iPhones can be assumed to have access to the internet, iPads cannot.

Apple thinks Siri's going to be big, and they're not ready to reduce it to a bullet point on the iPad feature list:

•Now with text-to-speech transcription and voice commands*

*data connection required

So what I'm betting is that it's going to be "Now with Siri, the exact same Siri you know and love from your iPhone", not "Now with Siri*". It's all or nothing. It's not going to be a half-assed implementation, and by extension I don't think it's going to be a full-but-only-occasionally-available implementation. In a couple years, something like Siri might be a commoditized and fairly standard service that everyone offers and it's not going to be as big a deal. But right now, Siri is unique and magical and Apple's not going to compromise that.

I don't think Apple will put Siri on a device that it can't assume will have access to the internet, and as they're sold today, that means iPads. So I'm betting either no Siri on the iPad 3, or my pie-in-the-sky fantasy that Siri is included and has a behind-the-scenes data connection that Apple foots the bill for. It won't have anything to do with apps or media from the store, because nothing on your iPad will have access to that data other than what Siri needs to work. You won't get update notifications through Siri's data plan, you won't have access to the iTunes music or app stores. Nothing in the marketing will brag about this free data connection Siri's using for all the same reasons above: Siri isn't a cleverly implemented combination of technical features, it's just Siri.

Maybe that's way more speculation than this deserves at this point, and maybe there's some other completely different scenario I haven't come up with yet. I like thinking about it though.

[Hugin]

The former, obviously. And again, the cellular modem doesn't cost very much.

I'm not talking about the cost of the modem, I'm talking about the cost of the bandwidth. There's no way the carriers want to add millions of 4G, large/hi res screen devices to their networks without making sure their costs are covered. That may mean sticking to the a la carte data plans 3G iPads currently have, but I bet not, or if so, at a higher price point.

[Nawid A]

iPad 3 will not be less than $499. I don't see the 2 going for less than $349 minimum and I think $399 is more likely. The iPad 2 is still the best tablet on the market (it's not even close). $399 is pretty killer.


One of my pet peeves - why month to month and not day to day? It just seems like such a ripoff...especially when you have already paid what appears to be full price for the additional radio and antenna.

Ditto for wifi sharing on phones, minus the upcharge logic.

Epic 4g/Tapatalk
No way you could ever get a carrier here to go along with that. Bet Apple had to fight them pretty hard to get what is there currently.

[Pyperkub]

iPad 3 will not be less than $499. I don't see the 2 going for less than $349 minimum and I think $399 is more likely. The iPad 2 is still the best tablet on the market (it's not even close). $399 is pretty killer.


No way you could ever get a carrier here to go along with that. Bet Apple had to fight them pretty hard to get what is there currently.

If there's a market for it, somebody probably will...eventually.

Epic 4g/Tapatalk

[Justin Fletcher]

How much of a resolution increase do you guys expect to see. Maybe +50% at most? I personally can't imagine wanting LTE over wifi even though I know it would be great for those who like to carry iPads around when traveling.
Most news sources are predicting a 100% jump from 1024x768 to 2048x1536. The Next Web (http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/01/19/high-res-images-in-ibooks-2-are-no-accident-theyre-for-the-ipad-3s-retina-display/) also says:

These [iBooks 2] images would display correctly on a screen 2048×1536 pixels in dimension (double the res of the iPad 2′s screen) at a PPI of 260. That is lower than the iPhone 4/4S display, which clocks in at just over 300 PPI, but should still qualify as a Retina display due to the viewing distance to the iPad being greater.
I'm wondering what the increased resolution will mean for apps. Have the developers been working on these "Full HD(?)" iPad apps in secret, or are we going to have to wait months and months for a critical mass of native resolution apps to hit the market?

[Menzo]

I'm wondering what the increased resolution will mean for apps. Have the developers been working on these "Full HD(?)" iPad apps in secret, or are we going to have to wait months and months for a critical mass of native resolution apps to hit the market?

One thing we know for certain: Apple isn't secretly telling App developers what the resolution of the iPad 3 is going to be. So if it's a radical change, then yes, there will be a wait for developers to update their apps.

However, given the fact that we live in a multi-platform, multi-resolution world these days, it wouldn't surprise me if most Apps are resolution independent anyway. Yes, they'd need to be updated, but hopefully it's just a minor change that could be made between the announce of the iPad 3 and when it ships.

[Blips]

Most news sources are predicting a 100% jump from 1024x768 to 2048x1536. The Next Web (http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/01/19/high-res-images-in-ibooks-2-are-no-accident-theyre-for-the-ipad-3s-retina-display/) also says:


That's insane. My 24" monitor has a lower resolution than that :(



I'm wondering what the increased resolution will mean for apps. Have the developers been working on these "Full HD(?)" iPad apps in secret, or are we going to have to wait months and months for a critical mass of native resolution apps to hit the market?

I can only assume it will function similarly to how the iPhone 4 works. Unless specified by the developer, the app will continue to run at it's native resolution and will look unchanged due to the very nature of the display (increase in resolution but not screen size).

[Wholly Schmidt]

I'm wondering what the increased resolution will mean for apps. Have the developers been working on these "Full HD(?)" iPad apps in secret, or are we going to have to wait months and months for a critical mass of native resolution apps to hit the market?Probably both, some apps ready and upgraded on day one, and others slowly adopting over time, but as Blips explains, the great part about increasing the resolution exactly by a factor of two is that existing apps will look almost identical to how they looked on an iPad 1 or 2.

It won't be hard to tell when an app is still only built for 1024x768 as other apps start supporting 2048x1536, but they won't look bad, certainly not like running iPhone apps magnified on an iPad.


One thing we know for certain: Apple isn't secretly telling App developers what the resolution of the iPad 3 is going to be. So if it's a radical change, then yes, there will be a wait for developers to update their apps.How do we know that for certain? Especially since we're talking about a secret, something we wouldn't be intended to know about by definition.

In the past, Apple has worked with a select few developers to prepare apps in advance of new hardware to take advantage of it right out of the gate. It's entirely possible that Apple hasn't done that yet, but there's certainly precedent for it, and I don't know how we could be certain they haven't told anyone yet. We can only be certain they haven't told everyone yet.

[Marcus]

I am sure we will see Angry Birds Double HD ed. on launch day.

[Wholly Schmidt]

Anecdotally, I don't believe Angry Birds had retina support when the iPhone 4 launched. I was thinking more like a new version of Real Racing from Firemint, since they were the specific example I was thinking of that had done this before. Real Racing 2 HD was a "launch" title released the day the iPad 2 came out.

[Michael Fortson]

Anecdotally, I don't believe Angry Birds had retina support when the iPhone 4 launched. I was thinking more like a new version of Real Racing from Firemint, since they were the specific example I was thinking of that had done this before. Real Racing 2 HD was a "launch" title released the day the iPad 2 came out.

They'd for sure do it this time around though. Not having it would be a terrible business move, and they aren't dumb. I'd be amazed if Apple doesn't give them any necessary early access to make it so.

[Wholly Schmidt]

They'd for sure do it this time around though. Not having it would be a terrible business move, and they aren't dumb. I'd be amazed if Apple doesn't give them any necessary early access to make it so.

Well, this is kind of a weird tangent we're running off on, but I'm all for weird tangents. I wouldn't expect Apple to seek out Angry Birds in particular to work on a retina-display update for the new iPad in advance of any announcement. Angry Birds is a great success story if Apple wants to pimp the lucrative iOS development landscape, but it's ubiquitous now and even when it wasn't, it's not the kind of thing they'd use to demo how amazing new hardware is. A good 3D game like Real Racing or Infinity Blade is better suited for that.

Of course maybe they're primed to announce Angry Birds 2, exclusive to iOS, with all sorts of new bells and whistles that make more sense to push a new device. I won't say it couldn't happen, just that in the very specific case of Apple coming to Rovio in advance of any announcement just to have an iPad-retina-display version of Angry Birds available on day one, I think it's unlikely. It's also quite possible that Rovio already has the art assets at a high enough resolution that it wouldn't take long to release an updated version even with no secret heads up from Apple.

[Michael Fortson]

Well, this is kind of a weird tangent we're running off on, but I'm all for weird tangents. I wouldn't expect Apple to seek out Angry Birds in particular to work on a retina-display update for the new iPad in advance of any announcement. Angry Birds is a great success story if Apple wants to pimp the lucrative iOS development landscape, but it's ubiquitous now and even when it wasn't, it's not the kind of thing they'd use to demo how amazing new hardware is. A good 3D game like Real Racing or Infinity Blade is better suited for that.

Being on stage is one thing, and you're right -- but another one is being in the app store and using the new hotness (which sells more of the new gadgets). Apple pushes to get the new features used as soon as possible, so it makes sense for apps as popular as Angry Birds to be available on day one of a new release.

Then again, whether that requires early access would depend on the timing between announcing and shipment. It might not even be needed.

[rei]

I'll expect Firemint to be there on Day 1.

Wait, didn't the Evil EA Empire buy them out? Shit.

[Justin Fletcher]

Announcement coming on March 7th (http://www.imore.com/2012/02/13/ipad-3-announcement-march-7-quadcore-4g-lte/), with 2048x1536 resolution and quad-core seemingly locked in. It appears LTE is for real (http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052970204062704577221960347109978-lMyQjAxMTAyMDEwMzExNDMyWj.html), too.

[Justin Fletcher]

MacRumors proves (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/17/confirmed-ipad-3-has-a-2048x1536-retina-display/) it will have 2048X1536 resolution?

[MattN]

iPad 2 sold. Now its just a matter of waiting. Hopefully its not too long after its announced. (And hopefully they will allow online preorders and delivery so I dont have to wait in line.)

[Gendal]

The minute they announce it's resolution officially at 2048X1536 and open pre orders it's mine. Haven't been this excited for an electronic gadget in quite awhile, 1024x768 has been a pain for PDFs and comics.

Also hoping it can handle my large music collection better, the original iPad just chokes on it.

[espressojim]

The update to resolution makes this the iPad I've been waiting for. I think everything has matured enough - including websites not streaming video with flash - that an iPad is pretty attractive now. Pre-ordering sounds like the right idea, I have a feeling these will be hard to get a hold of.

[Marcus]

Yup this was the upgrade I was waiting for. I want one!

[DennyA]

Yep, sold the family iPad 1 in anticipation of passing down my iPad 2 to my wife and son. :)


The minute they announce it's resolution officially at 2048X1536 and open pre orders it's mine. Haven't been this excited for an electronic gadget in quite awhile, 1024x768 has been a pain for PDFs and comics.

This is pretty good confirmation (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/17/confirmed-ipad-3-has-a-2048x1536-retina-display/), though not an official announcement.

Yeah, 1024x768 is okay for the Comixology stuff, but for older comics bought on disk in PDF collections, you have to zoom and scroll as the text is just a bit fuzzy. So I'm really excited for the next iPad just for the resolution. I'll buy it even if they don't change anything else.

[MattN]

Well rumors are starting to get all over the place. The main questionmarks for me are if the thing is going to be quadcore, are the capacities going to double, (neither of which are deal breakers since they've had me at retina display) and please god let me be able to preorder and have the thing shipped to me. I don't want to wait in line.

March 7th.

[ioticus]

I've decided to get in on the iPad thing with this generation. Can't wait for some electronic board game goodness.

[Huzurdaddi]

Well that tears it, I'm getting one.

They are going to be minting money. God damn it. Selling at 210 wasn't a great idea!

[ydejin]

Well rumors are starting to get all over the place. The main questionmarks for me are if the thing is going to be quadcore, are the capacities going to double, (neither of which are deal breakers since they've had me at retina display) and please god let me be able to preorder and have the thing shipped to me. I don't want to wait in line.

March 7th.

I feel the same way.

If they let me pre-order one as with the iPad 1 I'll order it on Wednesday. If I have to wait in line, I'll get one anyway, but will probably wait 2-3 months until they are widely available. I have no desire to show up daily at the Apple store to see if they have the model I want available.

[DennyA]

Kind of annoyed that it appears that the leaks are so big nowadays that there won't be much in the way of surprises. Heck, I've pretty much seen the entire device in the form of spare parts at this point.

Still, I just want that screen for (legal, on DVD) PDF comics. Everything else is gravy.

My only decision is whether to spring for the LTE version or not.

[Pyperkub]

The minute they announce it's resolution officially at 2048X1536 and open pre orders it's mine. Haven't been this excited for an electronic gadget in quite awhile, 1024x768 has been a pain for PDFs and comics.

Also hoping it can handle my large music collection better, the original iPad just chokes on it.

This is my thought too, but I want to make sure the battery life is equivalent.

Epic 4g/Tapatalk

[Canuck]

So is it going to be iPad 3 or HD? I suppose I'll find out tomorrow when I wake up. As much as I dislike Apple I gotta admit they can really build up the anticipation! :)

[SuperAdventurer]

iPad 3D

[Ephraim]

Newest rumours of a haptic touchscreen seem to have some evidence behind them. That second sentence "And touch." on the invitation may have a deeper meaning behind it, after all.

If the iPad 3 is both Retina Display and haptic touchscreen, it's going to blow the roof off Apple's sales numbers, assuming they can get supply chain hurdles handles.

[SuperAdventurer]

Haptic sounds very cool, especially for the onscreen keyboard. Unless it drains the battery horribly.

[KaoFloppy]

From the description of the Senseg haptic tech (reference slashgear (http://www.slashgear.com/ipad-hd-feel-screen-senseg-tech-tipped-07217165/), Senseg (http://senseg.com/technology/senseg-technology)), there's no motors used, so no DC motor battery drain here.

[SuperAdventurer]

No motors doesn't mean the haptic effect, however they achieve it, doesn't drain the battery though. Anyway I seriously doubt the iPad gets haptics this generation.

[Misguided]

Haptic sounds very cool, especially for the onscreen keyboard. Unless it drains the battery horribly.

It could be great for gaming too. Having virtual buttons and joysticks that let you feel where they are sounds really cool.

[SuperAdventurer]

Sure, could be cool for lots of reasons. Having a virtual keyboard where you can actually feel the keys was just the first thing that popped into my unimaginative mind.

[Ephraim]

I'd choose haptics over LTE, given battery concerns.

[Ephraim]

So, I'm out of town and at an Apple Store. This is what's right in front of me. http://img.tapatalk.com/203c4469-a304-204a.jpg

The Apple Store employees are into this, too.

[Balasarius]

Announcing Siri Japan! OMG SQUEEELLLlllzzz...

[Ephraim]

iOS 5.1, wonder what it has besides Japanese Siri.

1080p Apple TV with mini-apps. But no usual App Store. Interesting.

[Ephraim]

Retina display.

[Ephraim]

and LTE.

[Shieldwolf]

So, I'm out of town and at an Apple Store. This is what's right in front of me. http://img.tapatalk.com/203c4469-a304-204a.jpg

The Apple Store employees are into this, too.

Tell them to stop watching F'ng apple tv and help customers with their current macs. I can't stand apple stores.

[RichVR]

Siri for iPhone 4 in 5.1?

[Ephraim]

Tell them to stop watching F'ng apple tv and help customers with their current macs. I can't stand apple stores.

There's easily double the amount of Apple Store staff here as customers looking for help. And as customers wander by, they peel off. No one's suffering here.

[Misguided]

Something is definitely peculiar...we are 50 minutes into this and they haven't referred to it by any name other than simply "the new iPad"

[Mike Cathcart]

That doesn't surprise me. I'm wondering if they'll keep the iPad 2 around at lower prices and rebrand them iPad and iPad HD.

omg game demos yawn. Just shut up and take my money.

[Brian Rubin]

I'm honestly not an Apple fanboi at all, but if I were to splurge for a tablet, I'd likely get an iPad 3. Thing looks impressive.

[rei]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg10/scaled.php?server=10&filename=17260.jpg&res=medium

[Brian Rubin]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg10/scaled.php?server=10&filename=17260.jpg&res=medium
Now in a gold card:

http://i.imgur.com/lQ5Kf.png

[ChrisPal]

Wow - I told my wife I'm getting one this time around. It's very impressive.

But the LTE ones are pricey. What's the thoughts on how needed that would be? Can I get by with wireless only, how do you folks with the iPad find it?

I just can't imagine not having access any time. I may have to splurge.

[rei]

That's the sound of any air being let out of Android and BlackBerry tablets...

[triggercut]

My problem is that wifi 3G tends to be spotty for me at best indoors. LTE seems to be much, much faster in that setting.

[walTer]

So wait, better screen and some LTE? Isn't that more of an iPad 2.1?

Ok not trolling but I was hoping for maybe more upgrades and certainly some better pricing- 500 is still more than impulse for me (although it seems not for millions of other people)

[triggercut]

So wait, better screen and some LTE? Isn't that more of an iPad 2.1?

Screen at 4x better resolution than iPad 2, and quadcore chip and LTE.

What were you expecting from it?

[Telefrog]

Infinity Blade Dungeons announced for iPad 3/HD/LTE/Whatev

Diablo-esque. Not on rails.

http://i.imgur.com/1YEVF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MoCLQ.jpg

[Quaro]

Yeah it's pretty much right on -- didn't expect anything more this time. Retina is the killer feature, and everything else is bumped including the camera.

[SuperAdventurer]

They should have bumped the camera right off the feature list. It's just too big to be a camera. Just the one camera for facetime, ok but the other is superfluous.

[walTer]

I don't know- a mini? Price drop? And yes, under the hood the specs are certainly vastly improved. Heh, really, I think I was hoping I could afford one.

[espressojim]

Stop "updating the store" and let me hit the buy button.

[Quaro]

Camera is cool -- think of the potential of apps like Word Lens...

[nKoan]

This is definitely an upgrade over my iPad 1, but part of me is a little underwhelmed. Not sure if I will upgrade it yet or not.

I probably will, but not right away.

[espressojim]

Does it go on sale today for pre-orders, or are there no pre-orders?

[SuperAdventurer]

This is definitely an upgrade over my iPad 1, but part of me is a little underwhelmed. Not sure if I will upgrade it yet or not.

I probably will, but not right away.

4x the pixels. How is that not a huge upgrade?

[KaoFloppy]

Hit the ipad button from the apple store at the top banner, it'll work. "new iPad" vs. "iPad 2".

[stusser]

This should be a much better gaming platform than the ipad2, which was already pretty great. It has the same GPU as the playstation vita.

[triggercut]

Store still saying "We'll be back soon!"

[ioticus]

I have an Amazon credit card (save 3% on Amazon) with about $90 in Amazon points saved up. When do you think it be available on Amazon, if at all? I don't know if I can wait as the anticipation is killing me.

[nKoan]

4x the pixels. How is that not a huge upgrade?

The logic part of my brain knows that everything is a pretty significant upgrade, even if most everything was expected.

The desire part of my brain wanted something unexpected.

[BleedTheFreak]

The logic part of my brain knows that everything is a pretty significant upgrade, even if most everything was expected.

The desire part of my brain wanted something unexpected.

sounds familar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk).

[Mark Asher]

So the three products Cook said they were announcing were the new iPad, a new Apple TV, and an upgrade to iOS or something?

The new iPad does seem great, but retina and LTE were the rumors for some time now. We've been spoiled by surprises I guess.

[nKoan]

sounds familar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk).

Yes, exactly!

[KaoFloppy]

Store still saying "We'll be back soon!"
Oh you want to buy it RIGHT NOW! Still can't, as of 2 seconds ago.

[ydejin]

I don't know- a mini? Price drop? And yes, under the hood the specs are certainly vastly improved. Heh, really, I think I was hoping I could afford one.

AIUI iPad2 is still permanently part of the lineup and is available for $399. So there's a price drop for you.

[nKoan]

Strangely enough the new iPhoto for iPad piques my interest more than anything else right now.

I just hope it can handle RAW files now. But, my guess is that it doesn't (otherwise they would have said something by now).

[SuperAdventurer]

I wonder what they will name the new iPad?

[BiggerBoat]

Really need to fight the urge to buy this. My iPad 1 is just fine, and there's a ton of games I still have in my iPad backlog (not to mention by PC and Xbox backlogs). That awesome screen would certainly be great for everyday use, but it's hard for me to find any reasonable justification other than **Slobber. Want.**

I'm glad the store was down this morning when I clicked in.

[nKoan]

I wonder what they will name the new iPad?

In the keynote, it was simply called 'the new iPad'. Same with the website.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/

[SuperAdventurer]

Was really hoping for "the NeXT iPad".

[Woolen Horde]

I find myself very meh'ed with it. I'm more excited at the prospect of a Retina MBP. I like my iPad and all, but it's the MBP that I use for many hours each day. The iPad gets used weekly.

[Gendal]

Stupid web site. 3rd attempt to order one. Watch me end up with 9 of them, limit of 2 or not.

[Wholly Schmidt]

So I'm making the boring, conservative prediction: exactly the same price breakdown as it is now. iPad 3 in 16GB/32GB/64GB models for $499/$599/$699, with iPad 3 + LTE (or 4G, or whatever they call it) an extra $130 on each model.

And they'll keep around one version of the iPad 2; Wi-Fi only, 16GB, available for $399. No more 3G models on the iPad 2 because they don't want to have to keep making separate versions for separate carriers.

A win for boring and conservative! Except they're keeping a 3G iPad 2 around, I was wrong about that.

[SuperAdventurer]

Pretty impressively spot on even if they did make the obvious moves. Now if you'd correctly guessed they'd drop the 3 and call it "the new iPad", I'd call witchcraft.

But actually, anyone paying $399 for an iPad 2 when $100 more gets the newer model with 4x the pixels is just being silly. Surprised they can price it like that and still sell any iPad 2's. Changed my mind, calling witchcraft.

[Wholly Schmidt]

I would've guessed the numbers would be dropped, but not this soon. Maybe the new phone at the earliest. It makes sense long-term though. You're not buying a MacBook Air 4, for example. And right now, even with a bit of tech-pundit backlash about "disappointing" updates for the new iPad (or the iPhone 4S last year), the revisions are still a big deal. But that won't always be the case.

Eventually, iPad and iPhone updates will be the same kind of non-events as a bump in specs for the Mac Mini. It's got to be a delicate balance right now—maintaining excitement for current revisions, but trying not to be a prisoner to expectations so they can avoid huge backlash the first year they don't have a "big" update to the product line. Dropping sequential product names seems like a logical proactive step toward managing those expectations. So yeah, I figured they'd do that too, but I didn't think it would be so soon.

[Alan Dunkin]

Took me about 2 hours to get my order through (since the conference ended), with multiple crashes along the way. Now I'm thinking I should cancel and skimp out on the 32GB and just go with 16... argh. But I don't wanna go through that again.

Lum wound up getting 5 in his checkout...

--- Alan

[Gendal]

Got mine ordered, can't wait to see the new screen. I kept reading that it's heavier, but luckily it turns out that it's only heavier compared to the 2, it's actually lighter than my original iPad.

I lurve this new drive to higher resolutions, thank you Apple! Hopefully this propagates out to the laptop market eventually. I like smaller, lighter form factors but I need a minimum of 1080p.




Lum wound up getting 5 in his checkout...
I only ended up with 2 which is what I wanted anyways. I would probably still be at it if I had to change the quantities.

I very briefly thought about going with the 32GB instead of the 64GB, but Apps with new artwork are going to require a lot more space for the crazy new resolution.

[ARogan]

Just finally got my order in for a black 64GB 4g LTE verizon. It took about 1.5 hrs with lots of errors. I actually had better luck with the web site than the apple store app.

[DennyA]

I thought about ordering the LTE version, but I'd rather put the money into an LTE MiFi that will also work with my laptop, etc.

They had me at the screen, but I'm very dissapointed that they updated the useless back camera and didn't do anything to improve the terribad front camera that people actually use for Skype, Facetime, and goofy photobooth apps.

Went to order a smart cover from Amazon, since I had some credit there, but from the user reviews it sounds like all the covers there are counterfeit. Figured I might look into an alternative to the Apple cover anyway -- I'm not thrilled with how it props up the iPad.

[ydejin]

How long did it take you guys to get e-mail receipts? I got to the "Thank You -- We are processing your order and will send you an email confirmation shortly." page. Normally I wouldn't worry about it, but the whole system seemed rather shaky.

Also did anyone get the option to pick it up in store? That's what I really wanted, but that option was greyed out and marked "not available" when I got to it. I'm curious as to whether that was because of the particular model I chose or if it's just "not available" to anyone right now.

[DennyA]

How long did it take you guys to get e-mail receipts? I got to the "Thank You -- We are processing your order and will send you an email confirmation shortly." page. Normally I wouldn't worry about it, but the whole system seemed rather shaky.
About 10 minutes.


Also did anyone get the option to pick it up in store? That's what I really wanted, but that option was greyed out and marked "not available" when I got to it. I'm curious as to whether that was because of the particular model I chose or if it's just "not available" to anyone right now.
Yeah, I got it, but I figure you'll be fighting the crowds who don't preorder and want to go buy one on day 1.

[ydejin]

About 10 minutes.

Thanks Denny. Mine took a bit longer, but it's here now, so I guess I'm good now :-)


Yeah, I got it, but I figure you'll be fighting the crowds who don't preorder and want to go buy one on day 1.

Our package delivery system is a disaster, so I would have preferred store pickup. Last time for the iPad1 anyone with a pre-order got directed into the store and avoided the lines, so it worked pretty well.

[JeffL]

Someone asked this but I didn't see an answer - how critical is the LTE capability vs. just wi-fi? Does that require a monthly subscription/fee in the same way a phone does?

[SuperAdventurer]

Someone asked this but I didn't see an answer - how critical is the LTE capability vs. just wi-fi? Does that require a monthly subscription/fee in the same way a phone does?

It does if you want to get any use out of it, but I believe you can drop the subscription any time. I just went with the wi-fi model myself.

[ydejin]

Someone asked this but I didn't see an answer - how critical is the LTE capability vs. just wi-fi? Does that require a monthly subscription/fee in the same way a phone does?

I'm presuming it's just like the 3G iPad service based on what the webpage says. For the iPad 3G you can choose to get service or not on a month-by-month basis. In fact, one handy thing about the iPad1 is it will let you connect to the network without a contract to turn on service. So if you're stuck somewhere with your iPad and you don't have service setup and you can't access WiFi, it will let you on the network long enough to turn service on. Can't say for sure if the iPad3 works the same way.

Here's what the webpage says on the new iPad3:


No contract. No long-term commitment.

When you decide to activate 4G LTE data service, you can choose the amount of data per month you want to buy — with no long-term contract. So if you have a business trip or vacation approaching, just sign up for the month you’ll be traveling and cancel when you get back.

That's exactly the way I've used it. I've only turned it on twice, both times I was going on long trips. Otherwise I'm almost always within a WiFi network.

[Quaro]

Yeah you have to pay separately. The upside is the iPad is practically the only device where you can pay for just a single month without getting into a 2 year contract, which makes it nice to have as an option.

Also only the ones with cellar support have GPS -- or at least that was true for the old models.

[rei]

the wifi ones could not do gps.

[ioticus]

Fuck it, Amazon didn't get it fast enough, just ordered from Apple.

[espressojim]

Wow, had to fight the website until just now to get an order in. I'm quite excited to get my first table computer.

[stusser]

I thought about ordering the LTE version, but I'd rather put the money into an LTE MiFi that will also work with my laptop, etc.
From the presentation, it sounds like the carriers will allow wifi hotspot functionality, which basically turns it into a mifi.

[DennyA]

From the presentation, it sounds like the carriers will allow wifi hotspot functionality, which basically turns it into a mifi.
And if I trusted them not to charge me another $20 a month to enable that on top of their data fees, I'd go that way in a heartbeat.

But I really hate how US carriers have managed to monetize built-in hardware capabilities.

[nKoan]

From the presentation, it sounds like the carriers will allow wifi hotspot functionality, which basically turns it into a mifi.

It does, but the mifi unit is much smaller, which may be a factor for him as well.

[Wholly Schmidt]

And if I trusted them not to charge me another $20 a month to enable that on top of their data fees, I'd go that way in a heartbeat.

But I really hate how US carriers have managed to monetize built-in hardware capabilities.

Amen.

[stusser]

And if I trusted them not to charge me another $20 a month to enable that on top of their data fees, I'd go that way in a heartbeat.
Yeah, I wouldn't count on it. We'll have to wait and see.

Even if they do try to charge for it, you can always jailbreak. Eventually.

[Wholly Schmidt]

Yeah, I wouldn't count on it. We'll have to wait and see.

Even if they do try to charge for it, you can always jailbreak. Eventually.

Wasn't AT&T able to crack down on tethering on jailbroken phones too? Eventually? Is it just one of those back and forth things between the hackers and the carriers?

[JeffL]

When the iPad came out, I was one of the biggest nay-sayers.

I now lust for an iPad3. Or whatever you want to call it. We're talking drooling lust.

I have a daughter whose wedding I have to pay for, so buying one right now is out of the question. But my lust for one is bordering on the obscene.

[stusser]

Wasn't AT&T able to crack down on tethering on jailbroken phones too? Eventually? Is it just one of those back and forth things between the hackers and the carriers?
Some earlier tethering versions (MyWi primarily) were directly detectable. More recently, they sent those texts to anyone going over 5GB. These days, they cut speed to anyone going over 3GB on the unlimited plan, and charge extra for going over 3GB on the limited plan.

My general feeling is that the jailbroken tethering won't be cut off as long you don't rely on it on a regular basis.

[MattN]

I did the jailbreak tether thing on the iphone for a while on my unlimited data plan but when I realized I don't come close to the 4gig limit on the official tether plan i decided to just update my plan and avoid the whole jailbreak scene. I am getting the wifi only version and just tethering it. 3g is fast enough for me to not be frustrated, and since i am 99% certain that the next iphone is going to have LTE, I'll just get my 4g on at that point and wonder how i ever lived without it. Saves me 130 on the device.

I don't see what would make someone cross the 4gb limit on data, do people stream videos constantly on the go? I only really use my tether to surf, check email, and the occasional youtube.

[Canuck]

Did they mention how well the battery performs with that new hi-res screen?

[stusser]

Yes, battery life is identical to the ipad2. This is due to the use of 28nm components and including a larger battery, which accounts for its increased weight and thickness when compared to the ipad2.

[nKoan]

Did they mention how well the battery performs with that new hi-res screen?

They announced that it is still 10 hours (9 hours on LTE). The weight has also gone up .11 lbs and The Washington Post says the battery capacity is 70% higher than the iPad 2.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/apple-new-ipad-will-be-thicker-and-heavier-than-ipad-2/2012/03/07/gIQAltiHxR_story.html

[Misguided]

Did they mention how well the battery performs with that new hi-res screen?

Yup, it is identical to the iPad2: 10 hours / 9 with LTE on. In practice, it depends on what you are doing. Some games eat battery pretty quickly, but I love the battery life, generally.

Re: charging for tethering, it ticks me off too. I can understand if they have concerns about data usage, but most providers are already dealing with high volume users in other ways, so I don't understand why charging for tethering is needed.

[ChrisPal]

I placed my order a short while ago. It only took about 10 minutes of refreshes, paging back and re-selecting and the like.

I went big. I was considering going with the wireless and lower storage model, but when I saw a comment about apps using lots of space for the increased graphics, I decided to go for the 64GB version. Then I saw the comment about how you can sign up for a month when you need it so if I happen to go out of town and need it I can get it. So I then justified needing the LTE version.

Thus, I convinced myself to spend the money on the biggest one. I'm so gullible. But I will have a cool toy that me and my son will love playing with! Oh, and I can use it for work too.

[Ephraim]

32GB WiFi only here. Now that iTunes Match lets me stream/download and delete at will, giving me full access to my music library without filling up the device, I don't need the 64GB (my 64GB phone proves that!). I didn't go LTE because I'm too cheap to pony up for an LTE data plan right now and the Rogers data sharing between iPhone and iPad plans are stupid.

I guess the bigger art assets will be something that I'll have to worry about eventually. Maybe that will finally force me to actually stop from overloading my devices with apps I use once and never use again.

[Mark Asher]

Thus, I convinced myself to spend the money on the biggest one. I'm so gullible. But I will have a cool toy that me and my son will love playing with! Oh, and I can use it for work too.

Just curious because I'm more interested in productivity than consumption, but how will you use it?

I'd need to be convinced that the bluetooth keyboard was all that to get one. I pound out a lot of words each day, even if a lot of them are spurious ones like in this post. I don't really watch a lot of video on my PC and I don't really travel, so I don't have that travel time to fill with something. And I have a Nook Touch for reading.

[VegasRobb]

Trying to convince myself that Im happy with my iPad 2 and can wait ...


JeffL - trim a few people from the guest list and you're GOLDEN.

[ChrisPal]

Just curious because I'm more interested in productivity than consumption, but how will you use it?

I'd need to be convinced that the bluetooth keyboard was all that to get one. I pound out a lot of words each day, even if a lot of them are spurious ones like in this post. I don't really watch a lot of video on my PC and I don't really travel, so I don't have that travel time to fill with something. And I have a Nook Touch for reading.

I'm going to use it for a few things. If I'm truthful, I'll admit that it's going to primarily be used for my 4 year old son and myself to play some games (educational and otherwise) - so entertainment. I'd like to get into reading again (which I've ignored for years) so I'm hoping this will lead me down that path. I'm also interested in the video capabilities as I'll be travelling a lot more for work.

As for work, I get a $200.00 per month technology allowance to do whatever I want with in my new job - and I will also use this for some work functions. Taking notes, email, for meetings and the like. I'm not sure what else I can use it for work related, but I'll do some research on what I can fit it with. It will basically replace my iPhone for those tasks, which I find hard to work with for long periods due to the small form factor.

I wonder if I can use the new dictation function to record meetings in text format?

[Justin Fletcher]

Went through the Sisyphean pre-ordering process today, where I kept getting to the check out page just in time for the store to crash. That's not counting the first time they put the store up for five minutes in which there were two buttons for choosing AT&T for your LTE carrier and no buttons for Verizon.

I, too, had up to 5 iPads in my cart, with it freezing every time I tried to change the quantity. After two hours, I had gotten it down to two in my cart, but trying to remove one caused a hang each time. So I said screw it and ordered two just so that I could be done with the damn process before it sold out. I was afraid that trying to change the quantity online after I got my order confirmation would cancel everything, so I just sat on hold tonight and had a human do it.

Went 16GB LTE, which I would not have done if I hadn't been using my wife's iPad2 for the last eight months. Otherwise, I probably would have gone 64GB Wi-fi only. But her 32GB is only half full with her whole music collection, and I will never use a device as big as an iPad as my primary music player. Her apps also take up a tiny amount of her storage capacity, and I don't see the higher resolution assets taking *that* much space. And I've gotten completely spoiled by being able to use her iPad anywhere with 3G.

The rumor sites really did take all the fun out of the reveal (other than noting the places where they got it wrong). The only things I'm slightly disappointed by is the lack of a front camera upgrade and Siri, but, otherwise, I'm stoked.

The irony is that I have despised Apple and its locked down practices since the iPod, but my wife's iPad has made me a total convert. I hate myself a little, but I usually drown out these feelings with a few rounds of Ascension.

[Hiredgoons]

Am I reading the 4G/LTE data plans correctly?

$50 for 5GB the first month, and then $10 for each gig thereafter?

I thought a lot of the attractiveness of the whole iCloud setup is the ability stream your video content. Are there really that many people that want to pay $10 a gig? Don't get me wrong, I'll spend money foolishly on toys just like the next person, but I don't like feeling I'm getting gouged.

An itunes movie costs somewhere between $9 and $15, and can easily be 1.5 to 2 GB in size, if not larger in some cases. I'll be spending more for the bandwidth to download it on 4G/LTE than for the actual content itself.

[nKoan]

Am I reading the 4G/LTE data plans correctly?

$50 for 5GB the first month, and then $10 for each gig thereafter?

I thought a lot of the attractiveness of the whole iCloud setup is the ability stream your video content. Are there really that many people that want to pay $10 a gig? Don't get me wrong, I'll spend money foolishly on toys just like the next person, but I don't like feeling I'm getting gouged.

An itunes movie costs somewhere between $9 and $15, and can easily be 1.5 to 2 GB in size, if not larger in some cases. I'll be spending more for the bandwidth to download it on 4G/LTE than for the actual content itself.

Nope. $50 for 5GB per month. $10/GB when you go over that 5GB. Its like that every month, not just the first month.

Verizon also offers a 10GB plan for $80 it seems.

[Hiredgoons]

Nope. $50 for 5GB per month. $10/GB when you go over that 5GB.

Verizon also offers a 10GB plan for $80 it seems.

I think we're agreeing, or close enough. Verizon plan has a slightly more generous cap.

I guess I'm not seeing the point of having 4G/LTE speed and blowing through the cap in a single day or maybe a weekend. 10 GB isn't much when we're talking video (and with the new display, HD is the whole idea), and then you're paying through the nose for the data.

[nKoan]

I think we're agreeing, or close enough. Verizon plan has a slightly more generous cap.

I guess I'm not seeing the point of having 4G/LTE speed and blowing through the cap in a single day or maybe a weekend. 10 GB isn't much when we're talking video (and with the new display, HD is the whole idea), and then you're paying through the nose for the data.

Yeah, my point was you are still on the hook for the $50 each month if you go through with the 5GB plan. Its not like you are only on the hook for the first month, and then pay per GB thereafter.

Otherwise, I think you are correct in your assumptions. I can't see streaming movies over LTE consistently.

[Hiredgoons]

Yeah, my point was you are still on the hook for the $50 each month if you go through with the 5GB plan. Its not like you are only on the hook for the first month, and then pay per GB thereafter.

Otherwise, I think you are correct in your assumptions. I can't see streaming movies over LTE consistently.

And check out some of the lower end data plan packages.

A 250 MB data plan for a HD video device? You can eat through that in minutes.

[nKoan]

That's probably for the people out there that really want to check their e-mail, but aren't near WiFi. And their smartphone is dead.

[nKoan]

Back on topic, is the 3rd Gen iPad physically the same size? As in, will iPad 2 cases fit?

It seems the Smart Cover is being sold as being compatible with both, but that only guarantees that it will be mostly the same size. After all my complaining about not being wowed enough, I went ahead and pre-ordered my 3rd Gen. I want to start looking at cases now too.

[Misguided]

Back on topic, is the 3rd Gen iPad physically the same size? As in, will iPad 2 cases fit?

It seems the Smart Cover is being sold as being compatible with both, but that only guarantees that it will be mostly the same size. After all my complaining about not being wowed enough, I went ahead and pre-ordered my 3rd Gen. I want to start looking at cases now too.

The thickness is slightly different.

[DennyA]

The front is the same, and the magnets are there, so Smart Covers will still work.

The back, though, is marginally thicker, so tight or molded cases won't fit.

I'd like to find a super-thin case akin to the original Apple iPad 1 case for this. I'm not happy with the stability or lack of viewing angle adjustment of the Smart Cover case when I'm standing the iPad up.

[Joseph]

This should be a much better gaming platform than the ipad2, which was already pretty great. It has the same GPU as the playstation vita.

So, I guess I'm wondering how this platform will be able to power so many pixels for gaming... I mean, is it so much more powerful than a 360 or PS3 which have problems with mere 1080P? Hell, even a desktop would need a pretty beefy card to handle that resolution....

[JMR]

Looking forward to the inevitable Whitta pic.

[Justin Fletcher]

The front is the same, and the magnets are there, so Smart Covers will still work.

The back, though, is marginally thicker, so tight or molded cases won't fit.
I hope the usual suspects start cranking out the case options. The Smart Cover is neat, but the crack extending top to bottom on my wife's iPad2 proves that corner and edge protection is a must.

[Ephraim]

A question for anyone who has purchased the new iPhoto app: is there any RAW support? I've searched for answers with no luck.

[Periastron]

It heartens me to see so many people with as little self-restraint as I have. ;-) I ordered a 32GB WiFi model, the same configuration I've been running for most of the last two years.

My iPad rarely leaves the house, so the smart cover is mostly adequate. I've been using a skin from Gelaskins with very good results (though I didn't deface the bezel by using that part of it). They don't have product for the 3rd gen. iPad yet, but will be taking orders soonish.

Anyway, looking forward to seeing the new hawtness! I received a high-res iPod as a present a year ago and the increased resolution makes a big difference.

[beecubed]

So, the wifi-only models don't come with GPS? That is different from the iPad 2, right? Hrm. I can't tell if that is annoying or not.

[Ephraim]

No, that's not new. iPad 2 WiFi-only didn't have GPS either. I've read that if you tether one to an iPhone using the Personal Hotspot feature that it is able to use the iPhone's GPS, but I've never tested it out.

To me GPS is worthwhile on a phone, and not so much on a relatively big device like a 10" tablet. Maybe on a Kindle Fire...

[ydejin]

So, the wifi-only models don't come with GPS? That is different from the iPad 2, right? Hrm. I can't tell if that is annoying or not.

AIUI the iPad1 and iPad2 WiFi do not include GPS. The GPS in the iPad is part of the Cell Phone chipset, son only those iPad's with Cell Phone support have GPS.

[pyjamarama]

Haven't found anyone discussing the scaling technically that is going into this great screen, clearly movies and 3D games are not at native resolution so wonder about the impact of scaling. My guess is that the fact that is so high density makes it a non problem when compared to scaling problems we see on regular computer screen.
Also still charging 100$ for extra 16GB wow that is amazing, but to be fair the initial model is probably a little under priced for Apple typical margin.

[stusser]

So, I guess I'm wondering how this platform will be able to power so many pixels for gaming... I mean, is it so much more powerful than a 360 or PS3 which have problems with mere 1080P? Hell, even a desktop would need a pretty beefy card to handle that resolution....
It's high resolution but remains a very small screen, so you just don't use full-resolution textures in 3D games. The high resolution essentially gives inexpensive anti-aliasing, getting rid of the jaggies.

[Mark Asher]

I'm going to use it for a few things. If I'm truthful, I'll admit that it's going to primarily be used for my 4 year old son and myself to play some games (educational and otherwise) - so entertainment. I'd like to get into reading again (which I've ignored for years) so I'm hoping this will lead me down that path. I'm also interested in the video capabilities as I'll be travelling a lot more for work.

As for work, I get a $200.00 per month technology allowance to do whatever I want with in my new job - and I will also use this for some work functions. Taking notes, email, for meetings and the like. I'm not sure what else I can use it for work related, but I'll do some research on what I can fit it with. It will basically replace my iPhone for those tasks, which I find hard to work with for long periods due to the small form factor.

I wonder if I can use the new dictation function to record meetings in text format?

The only thing I'll say about reading is that while I've used an iPad for reading before and it works very well, my Nook is better for reading. It's just much easier to hold. Of course the iPad will work much better for magazine reading than a Nook.

If I got one I'd get the keyboard and some kind of stand for the iPad. The only issue I'd have then is how to move the cursor around when I needed to go back to fix a typo, that kind of thing. I don't want to have to touch the screen when my hands are on a keyboard.

So can you use a wireless mouse with an iPad when working with text?

[pyjamarama]

So can you use a wireless mouse with an iPad when working with text?

Yes it's called Windows 8 :)

Actually never saw any hacks for IOs for mouse support but I bet they exist, but official support is not present.

[KaoFloppy]

TIf I got one I'd get the keyboard and some kind of stand for the iPad. The only issue I'd have then is how to move the cursor around when I needed to go back to fix a typo, that kind of thing. I don't want to have to touch the screen when my hands are on a keyboard.

So can you use a wireless mouse with an iPad when working with text?
Irony: don't you have to take your hand off the keyboard to use the mouse?

[nKoan]

A question for anyone who has purchased the new iPhoto app: is there any RAW support? I've searched for answers with no luck.

I have searched for answers too, but have found none. It worries me some that they aren't advertising it.

A coworker of mine bought the app for the iPad 2, and so I'm waiting to hear back from him on the RAW support.

[DennyA]

What's irritating is that I have a perfectly good Bluetooth GPS here that SHOULD work with the iPad. But Apple's decided it doesn't want to support external GPSes, so the only way to make it work is to jailbreak it. (I discovered this when I realized I wasn't going to be able to use my iPhone GPS in Canada, due to roaming costs, and the GPS shuts off if you turn off the phone/3G.)

THAT kind of stuff is why I'm looking forward to Win 8 tablets. Nobody at corporate to decide that I shouldn't be using an external GPS or mouse with my tablet. I love my iPad, but if someone comes up a Win 8 tablet with the same screen as this new one, my three-generation iPad loyalty will end like a nasty breakup and I will move on to a new tablet mate.

[Gendal]

I have searched for answers too, but have found none. It worries me some that they aren't advertising it.

A coworker of mine bought the app for the iPad 2, and so I'm waiting to hear back from him on the RAW support.
It only supports embedded JPG in RAW, you can't edit or work with the actual raw data itself.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5182?viewlocale=en_US

[Justin Fletcher]

It's funny that I killed myself trying to pre-order online in the post-launch haze yesterday with holding pages and server crashes only to find that almost every model can be easily ordered today for delivery next Friday. Yeah. Hi-LAR-ious.

Only the white 16 and 64 AT&T versions have any delays and that only pushes it back to the 19th. I didn't take part in either of the previous launches (and I know there were no pre-orders last year), but there appears to be a much lower demand for the 3rd-gen iPad than I expected.

[DennyA]

Verizon's apparently the 19th now, too.

Bummer on the RAW support, though RAW is such a screwed-up "standard" (since it isn't one) I can forgive Apple on this one. If I need to tweak on the road I'll just shoot RAW+JPEG.

[Stridergg]

It's funny that I killed myself trying to pre-order online in the post-launch haze yesterday with holding pages and server crashes only to find that almost every model can be easily ordered today for delivery next Friday. Yeah. Hi-LAR-ious.

Only the white 16 and 64 AT&T versions have any delays and that only pushes it back to the 19th. I didn't take part in either of the previous launches (and I know there were no pre-orders last year), but there appears to be a much lower demand for the 3rd-gen iPad than I expected.

How do you know it's not much higher supply this year?

It would be logical to assume (and is kinda confirmed by all the "shipping" leaks over the last two weeks) that Apple learned their lesson from the previous years and made sure they produced a lot of new iPads prior to the announcement.

[ChrisPal]

It's funny that I killed myself trying to pre-order online in the post-launch haze yesterday with holding pages and server crashes only to find that almost every model can be easily ordered today for delivery next Friday. Yeah. Hi-LAR-ious.

Only the white 16 and 64 AT&T versions have any delays and that only pushes it back to the 19th. I didn't take part in either of the previous launches (and I know there were no pre-orders last year), but there appears to be a much lower demand for the 3rd-gen iPad than I expected.

So does that mean the pre-order I did yesterday which said it could take five days to get here mean I'm going to wait longer than those that order it now? Or will mine get here on launch day?

[Alan Dunkin]

According to a glance at my invoice currently for the 32GB Verizon version, it's still on track for delivery on the 16th. Heck I can't even cancel it now. Guess I'm locked in already :)

--- Alan

[stusser]

Verizon is not charging an additional fee to tether (http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/03/07/mobile-hotspot-included-in-verizons-ipad-4g-lte-data-plan/). Bravo!

AT&T won't allow you to tether at all (http://www.cultofmac.com/151586/att-wont-let-you-tether-your-new-ipad-lte/), even with an additional charge.

Seems pretty clear which way to go.

[DennyA]

Verizon is not charging an additional fee to tether (http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/03/07/mobile-hotspot-included-in-verizons-ipad-4g-lte-data-plan/). Bravo!
Dammit. If they'd publicized that yesterday, I'd have gone for the 4G version. How... uncharacteristic. At least AT&T match my low expectations.

Oh well.

[nKoan]

Verizon is not charging an additional fee to tether (http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/03/07/mobile-hotspot-included-in-verizons-ipad-4g-lte-data-plan/). Bravo!

AT&T won't allow you to tether at all (http://www.cultofmac.com/151586/att-wont-let-you-tether-your-new-ipad-lte/), even with an additional charge.

Seems pretty clear which way to go.

I wish they publicized that yesterday. That would have swayed my purchase as well.

[DennyA]

Well, Verizon 64GB still showing arriving on the 16th, so cancelled the order I spent an hour trying to place yesterday and put in an order for the Verizon LTE version instead. :)

Thanks for the heads-up, Stusser.

[Gendal]

Same. Blah. I went with AT&T because it's what my phone is on, but there is really no reason to do so.

[stusser]

Well, you may live in an area with great AT&T reception and crappy Verizon. I'm not sure if such an area exists, although the opposite certainly does.

[Joseph]

It's high resolution but remains a very small screen, so you just don't use full-resolution textures in 3D games. The high resolution essentially gives inexpensive anti-aliasing, getting rid of the jaggies.

Interesting! Not necessarily clearer graphics, but smoother edges. That's a worthy upgrade for gaming then, although not exactly reaching the display's potential. I would argue that the screen is held close enough that a texture bump would improve things despite the small size. Maybe in two or three more generations...

[Justin Fletcher]

Well, you may live in an area with great AT&T reception and crappy Verizon. I'm not sure if such an area exists, although the opposite certainly does.
Another reason to go AT&T if you don't care about the hotspot (I'd rather my phone serve that role) and aren't sure of your LTE coverage is that AT&T's HSPA+ 3G is several times faster than Verizon's EV-DO Rev. A.

[CLWheeljack]

It's high resolution but remains a very small screen, so you just don't use full-resolution textures in 3D games. The high resolution essentially gives inexpensive anti-aliasing, getting rid of the jaggies.

Hehe.

When I took graphics courses (god, a decade ago...), we always talked about how extra pixels (higher resolutions) were very expensive, and anti-aliasing was a cheaper way around that. It just funny to hear you say the opposite now.

[ioticus]

Any recommendation on a case and screen protector that would fit the new iPad? My 32 GB WiFi should arrive March 16, and I will be afraid to touch it without protection so I need to order soon.

[Wholly Schmidt]

Any recommendation on a case and screen protector that would fit the new iPad? My 32 GB WiFi should arrive March 16, and I will be afraid to touch it without protection so I need to order soon.

Don't be afraid. By all means, get a case, but if you're just a "normal" amount of careful with it around the house—don't throw it by itself in a full backpack, don't give it to kids—you'll be fine until you can decide on the type of case you want.

[DennyA]

Hey iPad 3G owners... Do they come with a free month of trial service or anything?

I'll want to test the LTE and hotspot functionality just out of curiosity, but I can't see actually needing to enable it until my next trip.

[espressojim]

This'll be my first iPad. I'm not afraid of scratching the metal on the case (I don't particularly care), but of course the screen is critical to keep safe. I ordered an iPad smart cover, is that sufficient to throw it in a messenger bag when I'm traveling on the subway, etc? I throw my laptop in my messenger bag without any additional protection, and my laptops have been surviving for years on end.

[Mookee]

I ordered an iPad smart cover, is that sufficient to throw it in a messenger bag when I'm traveling on the subway, etc?

Yes. I do that every day.

[Clay]

Hey iPad 3G owners... Do they come with a free month of trial service or anything?

I'll want to test the LTE and hotspot functionality just out of curiosity, but I can't see actually needing to enable it until my next trip.

You pay month to month with no contract, so you can just buy 1 month and continue it if you like.

[DennyA]

You pay month to month with no contract, so you can just buy 1 month and continue it if you like.
Yeah, for some reason I thought you got a free month. Probably just subconscious wishful thinking. :)

[Justin Fletcher]

This'll be my first iPad. I'm not afraid of scratching the metal on the case (I don't particularly care), but of course the screen is critical to keep safe. I ordered an iPad smart cover, is that sufficient to throw it in a messenger bag when I'm traveling on the subway, etc? I throw my laptop in my messenger bag without any additional protection, and my laptops have been surviving for years on end.
As long as you don't drop it. As I mentioned earlier, the smart cover has no edge or corner protection. Impacts there often lead to broken glass.

[Brad Grenz]

Hehe.

When I took graphics courses (god, a decade ago...), we always talked about how extra pixels (higher resolutions) were very expensive, and anti-aliasing was a cheaper way around that. It just funny to hear you say the opposite now.

Yeah, what he's talking about is effectively supersampling without the downsampling. There's basically zero chance the GPU in the iPad3 is going to be driving 3D games at native resolution. It just doesn't have the fillrate for that to be practical. Everyone will just render at 1024x768 and scale to native resolution.

[Angrycoder]

Just got an email from Apple telling me my ipad3 shipped. FedEx shows it sitting at their delievery facility an hour away. Guess FedEx will sit on it until Friday.

[nKoan]

Just got an email from Apple telling me my ipad3 shipped. FedEx shows it sitting at their delievery facility an hour away. Guess FedEx will sit on it until Friday.

Yeah. Yesterday my tracking number said it would be delivered the 12th. Now it says it will be delivered on the 16th and the status is "Future Delivery Requested"

[Alan Dunkin]

That's weird. I'm watching mine ship from China, though looks like it reached the distro facility in Louisville already. Still set for delivery on the 16th so I'm guessing they have a holding pen for all this crap.

--- Alan

[DennyA]

Yeah, mine hasn't shipped yet since I changed my order on day 2, but it still shows delivery on the 16th, so I'm fine with that. No need to know it's sitting at the Fed Ex facility 12 miles away taunting me. :)

[Kael]

That's weird. I'm watching mine ship from China, though looks like it reached the distro facility in Louisville already. Still set for delivery on the 16th so I'm guessing they have a holding pen for all this crap.

--- Alan

Mine is in Louisville too, lets get together and raid the building!

[ydejin]

Mine is in Louisville too, lets get together and raid the building!

You guys are making me nervous. Mine is still listed as Preparing for Shipment. It does say expected delivery date March 16th.

[fuzzyslug]

Mine is in Louisville too, lets get together and raid the building!

Mine must be keeping your company. Are the iPads partying with each other?

[Alan Dunkin]

It's a bachelor ipad.

--- Alan

[DennyA]

You guys are making me nervous. Mine is still listed as Preparing for Shipment. It does say expected delivery date March 16th.
Heck, I'm not even at "Preparing for shipment." I'm still at "Processing," but it's showing 3/16 deliver still. I won't panic until Thursday. :)

I'd ordered within the first hour, but then the second day I switched my order from WiFi to LTE, and decided to do Store Pickup. Then I realized I'd messed up something with the order and went in to re-do it, and in that five-minute period they ran out of store pickup allocation.

[Gendal]

Mine finally shipped this morning and is sitting in a warehouse less than an hour away. Just have to hope somebody screws up at Fedex and misses the future delivery date. Unlikely, since I imagine they are all sitting together on multiple pallets, but I know it's happened before.

[kaosfere]

That's weird. I'm watching mine ship from China, though looks like it reached the distro facility in Louisville already. Still set for delivery on the 16th so I'm guessing they have a holding pen for all this crap.

Yeah, that's absolutely normal for "embargoed" hardware shipments from Apple (or any other major manufacturer). Also absolutely normal is for someone at the shipping company to fuck up and send some out before the embargo date, which always gets people excited because "OMG maybe I'll get mine early too!". But... usually you're not the lucky one. :P

[Justin Fletcher]

Anybody have an experience with Portenzo (http://www.portenzo.com) cases? They look super nice, but I'm not sure the wood frame will hold up. I don't need my case to stop a bullet, but it would be nice for it and the iPad to be able to survive, say, a three foot fall unscathed.

[nKoan]

I've used the DODO case for my iPad 1, which is similar in design and construction (I think). I dropped it from about 3 feet and the iPad was fine. The bamboo part separated and I had to superglue it back together. It was never quite the same after that, but it was still pretty solid.

[Angrycoder]

This (http://www.etsy.com/listing/93815378/icog-hades-tm-wooden-steampunk-case-w) is the case you want.

[fuzzyslug]

This is great time to talk cases. What are folks getting? What do folks suggest? I have the standard Apple case for my iPad. I'd like to get something better but I tend to lean towards things that don't add a lot of girth or weight to the iPad.

[Justin Fletcher]

Every time I think I've made a decision, I read reviews saying that the case I'm looking at will not only crack within two months and destroy my iPad, but there's also an even chance it will murder me in the middle of the night.

That's currently going on with the Portenzos I linked above. I was just about sold from the reviews and YouTube videos I'd seen when I stumbled across a thread on Macrumors saying that wood cases will warp and will probably break if you drop them (which was sort of confirmed by nKoan). I don't plan on dropping my iPad a lot, but it and its case needs to at least hold up to a couple of falls, as well as being stuffed in my bag daily.

On the other hand, a case like the Otterbox Defender appears to have plenty of protection. But I'm not sure I want five pounds of plastic wrapped around my svelte baby. The Portenzos are big, too, but they look clean and sharp. I also would prefer a folio so that I don't have to keep track of the piece covering the screen.

Unless anyone has a better idea, I'll probably end up gambling on a Portenzo. Why can't someone make an attractive, journal-type case that uses a polycarbonate shell instead of wood? Alternatively, why won't someone give me the money to buy the steampunk case Angrycoder linked?

[Ephraim]

I've had the same case debate myself, Justin. In the end, I just ended up going with the dark grey polyurethane Apple Smart Cover. I considered the BookBook for iPad (http://twelvesouth.com/products/bookbook_ipad/) for looks, and OtterBox Defender as something that might help the iPad survive my almost-2 year old daughter dropping the device, but then reconsidered. Both add bulk and weight, which is exactly the opposite of what I wanted for a tablet device that I intend to use for regular reading of PDFs. I already find the iPad at the top-end of tolerable for weight, especially when compared to the ideal Kindle, so I concluded that adding extra weight wouldn't be a good idea.

In terms of protection, I realized that my messenger bag has a padded section that will be fine for protecting the iPad while in transit, and that my daughter seems to have picked up on the fact that iPads and iPhones are not to be dropped. Apparently this is easier for little girls to learn than little boys ;). Although she's been using my in-laws' iPad for months without harm to the device, I am slightly tempted by the $99 AppleCare+ for iPad (http://www.apple.com/support/products/ipad.html) that guarantees two $49 repairs if the iPad is ever damaged in an accident. I've got 30 days to decide on that after purchase. Considering that's about the cost of the OtterBox Defender, I might go that route instead. That way I get peace of mind and maintain maximum svelteness. Some people think it makes more sense than previous AppleCare's (http://artoftheiphone.com/2012/03/13/why-applecare-for-ipad-may-be-worth-buying/).

[ARogan]

This is what I did for my ipad 2:
iCarbons for the back only.
PowerSupport crystal for the front + smart cover.

Good scratch protection but won't do much if you drop it but it also doesn't really add any weight or thickness.

[nKoan]

I e-mailed Miniot about their wooden covers and cases.

As expected by the slight design change, their Miniot Cover will work, but the Miniot Case will not. They are working on redesigning the Miniot Case for the new iPad, but didn't give me an estimated time frame on when it'd be available.

https://www.miniot.com/webshop/?page=miniotcover

I think these Miniot pieces are beautiful, but I ended up going with a DODO case again for the new iPad. They do add a fair bit of weight but I really like the feel of them in my hands. My hands tend to cramp when I'm holding a bare iPad.

EDIT: I might as well plug the DODOCase website too since I like them so much. We have 4 in our house (2 iPad ones and 2 Kindle ones) and its nice that they now offer exterior colors other than black.

http://www.dodocase.com/

[ioticus]

I went with this case:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004R7A9NU/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details

Hope it works!

[Justin Fletcher]

I've had the same case debate myself, Justin. In the end, I just ended up going with the dark grey polyurethane Apple Smart Cover...I already find the iPad at the top-end of tolerable for weight, especially when compared to the ideal Kindle, so I concluded that adding extra weight wouldn't be a good idea.
The problem with the smart cover, though, is that it doesn't protect the corners or edges. As I mentioned previously, my wife has the smart cover for her iPad 2, which did absolutely nothing to prevent a crack the spans the length of the device after one of my 14-month olds gave the charging cable a good yank. It took a tumble of about 2.5 feet to a hardwood floor where the smart cover flew off on impact.

The hassle we've had with trying to get the screen fixed ($325? Really, Apple, really?) is why I ponied up for Applecare+ no questions asked (although I didn't notice the $49 service charge until after I paid for it).

Some folks would leave it at that and use it naked, but I want it to have some protection for it when it's in my bag (which doesn't have a padded section like yours). Others go ARogan's route with a back plate/smart cover combo. That still seems a little dicey to me, but it might be a good compromise for you if weight/bulk is the paramount issue.


I think these Miniot pieces are beautiful, but I ended up going with a DODO case again for the new iPad. They do add a fair bit of weight but I really like the feel of them in my hands. My hands tend to cramp when I'm holding a bare iPad.

EDIT: I might as well plug the DODOCase website too since I like them so much. We have 4 in our house (2 iPad ones and 2 Kindle ones) and its nice that they now offer exterior colors other than black.
I know you have DODO cases, not Portenzo, but they're in the same family of wood frames. Have you dropped any of the cases other than the one you mentioned that broke? Did any of the others break? Any warping? And how do they hold up on the road/in a bag?

[nKoan]

I know you have DODO cases, not Portenzo, but they're in the same family of wood frames. Have you dropped any of the cases other than the one you mentioned that broke? Did any of the others break? Any warping? And how do they hold up on the road/in a bag?

Haven't dropped any but the one I already mentioned. We haven't had any issue with warping on any of the cases, but we do live in a dry climate which I think helps a little bit. I don't carry the cases in bags regularly, except on long-ish trips which are at most once a month. They seem to hold up just fine for that, but I can't give any experience on daily usage.

Over the years, we've had little chips taken out of the bamboo. Most are not structural issues, but once or twice I've had to superglue structural pieces back together (not counting my one massive drop/repair job). On the smaller jobs, the pieces glue back together very nicely and still continue to function like nothing ever happened. The big split I had went around half the case, and flexes too much no matter what I do. It still works, but I need to touch it up every so often.

[DennyA]

I have a Smart Cover for my iPad 2, but I'm not a fan. Too easy for my kid to take off and not put back on when he's using the iPad, and it does a horrible job as a vertical stand. (Too wobbly, too steep an angle.) I also have the back protected by a snap-on transparent plastic cover.

For the new one, I'd like to get something like Apple's case for the original iPad: Something that completely covers it to protect the back from scratches, has a slightly tilted viewing angle for stability, but is still really thin. The Casecrown cases like ioticus linked above are really nice cases, but they add a lot of thickness and bulk.

[Mike Cathcart]

Denny, you're kind of a jerk. Getting your back scratched is great, why are you depriving your iPad?

I'm not sure I'm interested in standing the thing vertically, don't have a kid and I hate the look of the smart cover a little less than every other cover so I think I'm going to grab one of those. I got the white iPad so maybe I'll just grab the red and navy colors and swap them out depending on whether I'm going to a Phillies game or a Yankees game.

Man, I kind of like that idea. I've got to get to the Apple store.

[Michael Fortson]

The hassle we've had with trying to get the screen fixed ($325? Really, Apple, really?) is why I ponied up for Applecare+ no questions asked (although I didn't notice the $49 service charge until after I paid for it).

Apple's policy is to do one replacement totally free for the iPad 2, if you take to the genius bar; I only found out about it when I took mine in to get a repair quote, and they just replaced my iPad. Where were you quoted $325?

[Justin Fletcher]

The guys at the genius bar. At two different Apple Stores. We'd read about that "policy" online, but in practice, it is very arbitrary.

After going to the first store and being told $325, my wife read about someone on one of her forums who had theirs replaced for free at that same store. A week after my wife had visited.

So we tried the second store. They were very nice. Very sympathetic. "$325."

[Ephraim]

The guys at the genius bar. At two different Apple Stores. We'd read about that "policy" online, but in practice, it is very arbitrary.

After going to the first store and being told $325, my wife read about someone on one of her forums who had theirs replaced for free at that same store. A week after my wife had visited.

So we tried the second store. They were very nice. Very sympathetic. "$325."

Apparently there was an unofficial policy to give one free repair if you told a sad enough story, or were persistent enough, but that was before the launch of the 4S and the first version of AppleCare+ (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/11/applecare-to-end-informal-free-replacement-policy-for-damaged-iphones/). Would your visit and that other person's happen to be post and pre that event (October 14, 2011)?

[Justin Fletcher]

Nope. Both post event (late Jan, early Feb of this year).

Additional online research has revealed other stories like ours. The part that really infuriates me, though, is that the price changes from story to story. And no one else got a quote as high as we did (most run $250-300). I don't know if there are regional differences or the price has gone up recently (which seems insane given that the price of the iPad 2 just went down). But it's crap like this that makes me hate Apple and hate myself for loving the iPad.

P.S. It'll be here tomorrrrrrrowwwwww!!!!

[ydejin]

What's the best way to transfer everything from my iPad1 to my new iPad (3rd Generation)? If I synch applications on my iPad1 to my PC and then synch from my PC to the new iPad, does this transfer the program data, or just the program code?

Any advice would be appreciated. (No I don't have it yet, but I thought it best to be prepped before Friday :-)

[KWhit]

Is it likely that the Apple stores will sell out of these very quickly?

I'm debating about getting one for my wife's birthday, but if I order online it may not get here in time.

I'd like to cruise in on Sunday or Monday and pick one up after the huge launch day lines have calmed down a bit. But am I likely to be able to get one then?

[peterb]

What's the best way to transfer everything from my iPad1 to my new iPad (3rd Generation)? If I synch applications on my iPad1 to my PC and then synch from my PC to the new iPad, does this transfer the program data, or just the program code?

Any advice would be appreciated. (No I don't have it yet, but I thought it best to be prepped before Friday :-)

(1) Connect iPad 1 to iTunes.
(2) right click iPad name->Transfer purchased content (just in case)
(3) "Back up" (I think this happens automatically when you sync, but if you want to be paranoid, do an explicit one.)
(4) Plug in new iPad.
(5) When it asks you how you want to set it up choose "restore from Backup of Ydejin's iPad".
(6) Wait.
(7) On the first iPad, if you're going to sell/give it to someone else, Settings->Reset->Erase All Content and Settings.

This will transfer your settings and data files, yes. It's definitely a "Holy crap, that Just Worked™" sort of thing. If it only transferred the apps, you wouldn't need to do it at all - you'd just sync the new iPad and sync the apps over.

[fuzzyslug]

(1) Connect iPad 1 to iTunes.
(2) right click iPad name->Transfer purchased content (just in case)
(3) "Back up" (I think this happens automatically when you sync, but if you want to be paranoid, do an explicit one.)
(4) Plug in new iPad.
(5) When it asks you how you want to set it up choose "restore from Backup of Ydejin's iPad".
(6) Wait.
(7) On the first iPad, if you're going to sell/give it to someone else, Settings->Reset->Erase All Content and Settings.

This will transfer your settings and data files, yes. It's definitely a "Holy crap, that Just Worked™" sort of thing. If it only transferred the apps, you wouldn't need to do it at all - you'd just sync the new iPad and sync the apps over.

I've done this with my iPhones and it works great. It's really something that they should advertise since it works so well.

Has anyone tried something similar with iCloud? Mine is currently set to "backup to iCloud" but I was never clear what that meant. Given the amount of iCloud space I have, it can't backup everything. Is it backing up all application data? Is it only backing up iCloud specific application data? Is it smart enough to backup application data and the applications I have (downloading them as needed)? Can I actually do a full restore like above from iCloud?

[ydejin]

(1) Connect iPad 1 to iTunes.
(2) right click iPad name->Transfer purchased content (just in case)
(3) "Back up" (I think this happens automatically when you sync, but if you want to be paranoid, do an explicit one.)
(4) Plug in new iPad.
(5) When it asks you how you want to set it up choose "restore from Backup of Ydejin's iPad".
(6) Wait.
(7) On the first iPad, if you're going to sell/give it to someone else, Settings->Reset->Erase All Content and Settings.

This will transfer your settings and data files, yes. It's definitely a "Holy crap, that Just Worked™" sort of thing. If it only transferred the apps, you wouldn't need to do it at all - you'd just sync the new iPad and sync the apps over.

Outstanding! Thanks peterb.

[Stridergg]

I've done this with my iPhones and it works great. It's really something that they should advertise since it works so well.

Has anyone tried something similar with iCloud? Mine is currently set to "backup to iCloud" but I was never clear what that meant. Given the amount of iCloud space I have, it can't backup everything. Is it backing up all application data? Is it only backing up iCloud specific application data? Is it smart enough to backup application data and the applications I have (downloading them as needed)? Can I actually do a full restore like above from iCloud?

You can even restore an iPhone's backup to an iPad.

The backup process does not backs up the apps themselves, only the apps' data. The apps are already in the Cloud (or your iTunes), you can always re-download them to your device. For example, if you have Infinity Blade game that takes 1 GB by itself, when you backup your device, the entire game won't be backed up, only your saves and settings. So the backup of this game will take mere kilobytes instead of 1+ GB.

On the other hand, by default, everything that the app's developer deemed as "user data" will be backed up. For example, if you have a movie watching app, and you drop a couple of 700 MB movies into it (through iTunes, for example), your backup for this app will include those movies and will be around 1.5 GB.

You can control which apps are getting backed up to the Cloud by going into Settings - General - Usage - iCould (Manage Storage) screen.

I have never restored from iCloud backup though and would like to know how to do that too. :)

[Ephraim]

Restoring from an iCloud backup is as easy as logging into iCloud. It's actually what I did when I transitioned from my iOS 5.0 iPhone 3GS to my 4S. According to GigaOm (http://gigaom.com/apple/ios-101-set-up-and-restore-from-icloud-backup/), the process is smart enough to handle restoring both your apps (which redownload) and your settings/date.

So, if you're up for it, just make sure your device has backed-up recently to iCloud, and when you get your new iPad, choose Restore from iCloud backup when prompted.

[Mike Cathcart]

Restoring from an iCloud backup is as easy as logging into iCloud. It's actually what I did when I transitioned from my iOS 5.0 iPhone 3GS to my 4S. According to GigaOm (http://gigaom.com/apple/ios-101-set-up-and-restore-from-icloud-backup/), the process is smart enough to handle restoring both your apps (which redownload) and your settings/date.

So, if you're up for it, just make sure your device has backed-up recently to iCloud, and when you get your new iPad, choose Restore from iCloud backup when prompted.

This is how it is done. Connecting iPads to a computer is so 2011. Never do that again.

[KWhit]

Is it likely that the Apple stores will sell out of these very quickly?

I'm debating about getting one for my wife's birthday, but if I order online it may not get here in time.

I'd like to cruise in on Sunday or Monday and pick one up after the huge launch day lines have calmed down a bit. But am I likely to be able to get one then?

Anyone?

Bueller? Bueller?

[stusser]

No, you're probably out of luck there. If you want one, order online or possibly try an AT&T store.

[nKoan]

Anyone?

Bueller? Bueller?

In my experience, each Apple store gets a certain allotment that aren't pre-sold online. Those will likely sell out on Friday. Apple likes saying SOLD OUT EVERYWHERE on the first day, so they allot less than the perceived demand. If you want to get it Friday, I'd recommend getting in line now (though, you may already be late depending on your city).

Generally the second shipment will come in on Monday or Tuesday of the following week. Those will be first come, first served but they don't always know what configurations they are getting or how many with the hot new products. It could be slim pickings. My Apple store told me that if I call each day around mid-day (after their daily delivery comes in), and asked about their stock, they'd temporarily hold one on the side for me. I don't think that's an official policy, but its worth checking out.

[KWhit]

Good info. Thanks guys.

[stusser]

If you really want to wait in line, I'd do it at an AT&T store. But I wouldn't wait in line, I'd just order online and avoid all that annoyance.

[Ephraim]

Yeah, standing in line is for suckers. No guarantees and you freeze your ass off pretty much everywhere it's launching this time around. March is not kind to overnight line-waiters.

I'd just bite the bullet and order online, with the current 1-2 weeks delay your wife won't be that put out. Just get her a nice card, flowers and a printed-to-size iPad mockup.

Have you guys been reading the reviews? Apparently the screen may in fact be, to use Steve's term, magical. As in it begins to blur the line between science and fantasy.

[Justin Fletcher]

I said upthread that I didn't think I'd need more than a 16GB to deal with the "retina-sized" apps, but all these reviews are starting to freak me out. "Double the size!" "Triple the size!" "FIVE TIMES THE SIZE!"

I'm not storing music, I probably won't have more than a few HD videos on at a time (TV shows, not movies), and I'll still use my wife's DSLR and my hi-def camcorder for shooting photos and video. Talk me off the ledge; tell me that I shouldn't return my 16GB for a 32GB.

[ydejin]

I said upthread that I didn't think I'd need more than a 16GB to deal with the "retina-sized" apps, but all these reviews are starting to freak me out. "Double the size!" "Triple the size!" "FIVE TIMES THE SIZE!"

I'm not storing music, I probably won't have more than a few HD videos on at a time (TV shows, not movies), and I'll still use my wife's DSLR and my hi-def camcorder for shooting photos and video. Talk me off the ledge; tell me that I shouldn't return my 16GB for a 32GB.

I've been seeing the same thing. Estimates I've seen are that retina display apps will be 3x the size of standard apps. And videos, don't get me started, I just downloaded the new Tintin movie from iTunes and it's 3.43GB. No idea if that's 1080p or 720p, but I'd guess 720p. Now presumably you aren't planning to do much video, or you wouldn't have considered the 16GB in the first place. But if you ever want to fly cross country and load a few videos onto your iPad to tide you over, just two movies will fill half your 16GB iPad.

Personally I'd go for at least the 32GB unless money is very tight. If it is, I think you'll still have a great time with the 16GB version, but I won't be surprised if at various times you wished you had a bit more storage space.

[fuzzyslug]

I said upthread that I didn't think I'd need more than a 16GB to deal with the "retina-sized" apps, but all these reviews are starting to freak me out. "Double the size!" "Triple the size!" "FIVE TIMES THE SIZE!"

I'm not storing music, I probably won't have more than a few HD videos on at a time (TV shows, not movies), and I'll still use my wife's DSLR and my hi-def camcorder for shooting photos and video. Talk me off the ledge; tell me that I shouldn't return my 16GB for a 32GB.

You should return your 16 for a 32. Heck, I was "this close" to getting a 64GB.

[nKoan]

I had a 32 GB original iPad, and I'm glad I did. I think I have something like 10+ GB of apps alone. If I only had the 16GB, there would be no room for any music (not even iCloud downloaded music).

So, I'm no help talking you off the ledge. I went 64 GB this time around myself.

[ChrisPal]

I cannot wait to get it. The last few posts make me feel good in my 64gb choice. I just wish I wasnt away. I may not get to play with it until next weekend!

[Justin Fletcher]

JUMP! JUMP! JUMP!
Ah, DAMN you! GOD DAMN you all to HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

[MattN]

If the extra 100 bucks wont be that big of a hit I say go for it. If you have to eat ramen to get the bump then 16 is enough but you will have to probably delete some apps every once and a while, especially if you plan on loading it with games. But it really depends on usage. I'm getting a 64gb because I like to have a couple movies on there and a poopton of apps. However I'm also getting my sister a 16gig because she will most likely only use it for surfing, email, skype, and sudoku.

[DennyA]

I can't wait to see the screen on my (well-considered 64GB :) iPad tomorrow. The descriptions make it sound amazing.

[Justin Fletcher]

If the extra 100 bucks wont be that big of a hit I say go for it.
It's not really the money; it's the hassle of getting a new one. I'm not going to wait in line and online orders don't ship for 2-3 weeks. Meanwhile, the 16GB is being delivered directly to me by 3pm.

*sigh*

Maybe I'll drop by a couple of places this morning and afternoon and see if I get lucky.

[Alan Dunkin]

My iPad 3 has escaped the confines of Louisville, Kentucky and has made it all the way to South San Francisco. Reportedly our company got several pallet-loads yesterday in addition...

--- Alan

[fuzzyslug]

My iPad 3 has escaped the confines of Louisville, Kentucky and has made it all the way to South San Francisco. Reportedly our company got several pallet-loads yesterday in addition...

--- Alan

Mine is out for delivery. It's arrival is going to destroy my workday.

[fuzzyslug]

http://img.tapatalk.com/62eb1126-41d4-b710.jpg

That didn't take long!

[Mike Cathcart]

Look at that progress bar! So crisp.

[fuzzyslug]

The iCloud backup was successful. I did need to sync, however (I was prompted to do this), to get all my applications back (mostly games). It seems to have restored everything, whether or not the app itself was initially restored or restored via sync.

You know, I'm still constantly amazed that the full backup and restore works. Bringing up Plants v. Zombies and literally resuming a game in progress from my old iPad is like magic.

Also, THAT SCREEN!!!!!! Whoa

[Ephraim]

My UPS truck is "out for delivery". I'm dying here, because I've got to head out at noon, so if it doesn't make it before then I'm likely stuck waiting without one over the weekend. Sadly UPS is lame in Canada and doesn't deliver on weekends, or even have an open depot.

So, fuzzyslug, what do you mean by you needed to sync? Sync to iTunes on a computer? On top of the iCloud restore? Ugh. I thought we were past those days.

[fuzzyslug]

My UPS truck is "out for delivery". I'm dying here, because I've got to head out at noon, so if it doesn't make it before then I'm likely stuck waiting without one over the weekend. Sadly UPS is lame in Canada and doesn't deliver on weekends, or even have an open depot.

So, fuzzyslug, what do you mean by you needed to sync? Sync to iTunes on a computer? On top of the iCloud restore? Ugh. I thought we were past those days.

Yes, that's what I mean. It got about 2 pages of apps after the iCloud restore. After syncing, I got them all.