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RepoMan
10-23-2011, 10:57 PM
Because the dude is getting fan-worthy, with festive performances like this. (http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/10/herman_cain_was_joking_about_e.php)
Once Cain arrived, however, it didn't take long before he was asked about a controversial "joke" he recently made about installing a 20-foot-tall electrified fence along the U.S./Mexico border to keep immigrants from entering the country illegally.
Halfway through the question about the electric fence, Cain butted in with "it was a joke!"
"Let me first say it was a joke, and some people don't think that it was a good joke, and it's probably not a joke that you're supposed to make if you're a presidential candidate," Cain continued. "I apologize if it offended anyone. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa."
Only, it might not be a joke, he later said, before finally saying he just doesn't want to offend anyone.
"I don't like to offend anyone...however, I don't apologize for using a combination of a fence. And it might be electrified -- I'm not walking away from that," Cain backtracked. "I just don't want to offend anybody. It was a joke to the extent in the context of the views of that speech, but in terms of what we need to do, I fully intend to do so because I'm more sensitive to our citizens being hurt."
Wait, what?
No no, Kim Jong-Il, it was a joke when President Cain said Pyongyang should be nuked into glass. Except he will do it, you know, if he needs to.
Fugitive
10-23-2011, 10:59 PM
The fence will be electrified, but with special anti-Mexican electrons, so it only hurts you if you touch it from the wrong side.
Murbella
10-23-2011, 11:13 PM
This is my new 9/0/9 plan. 9% of the quarter to three community will view this thread, 0% will actually be fans of herman cain and 9% of viewers will post sarcastic remarks.
On a serious note, cain didn't sound like he wanted to fry some border jumpers, but he also didn't sound like he was joking (to me obviously). It just sounded like typical politician grandstanding, one of the many speeches you give people to rally the base and then forget about the next day, unless you decide to piss off a huge voting block with your comments.
yamo yamo
10-23-2011, 11:34 PM
The corporate taxes are too damn high!
No no, Kim Jong-Il, it was a joke when President Cain said Pyongyang should be nuked into glass. Except he will do it, you know, if he needs to.
http://images.politico.com/global/news/100810_reagan_thisday_ap_605.jpg
“My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.”
President Reagan, during a mike check, 8/11/84, in the midst of tension with the USSR. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40921.html)
Though Reagan aides, pool reporters and technicians in the room chuckled, a tape soon leaked. The Soviets momentarily put forces on high alert. Embarrassed U.S. officials quickly assured the Kremlin that Reagan’s offhand remark did not reflect White House policies or U.S. military intentions.
BennyProfane
10-24-2011, 05:24 AM
http://images.politico.com/global/news/100810_reagan_thisday_ap_605.jpg
“My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.”
President Reagan, during a mike check, 8/11/84, in the midst of tension with the USSR. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40921.html)
So you're saying that Cain is senile?
Brian Seiler
10-24-2011, 06:06 AM
On a serious note, cain didn't sound like he wanted to fry some border jumpers, but he also didn't sound like he was joking (to me obviously).
Because he wasn't. Sort of. Colbert hit this one right on the head. It's like when you tell your wife it'd be cool to have a three way with her awesome friend from college.
I'M JUST KEEEEEEEDING.
I mean, unless you're into it.
Fairly transparent pandering by a guy who has approximately a snowball's chance in hell anyway.
John Many Jars
10-24-2011, 01:06 PM
Godfather's Pizza sucked, so this fence will suck. It will decimate the armadillo population. Which will then wind up on Godfather's pizza, improving it.
Jazar
10-24-2011, 01:13 PM
What's most upsetting about these yabos is that the circus act is nothing more but promotions for fundraising, book sales and speaking engagements.
Palin, Santorum, & Black Walnut are laughing all the way to the bank.
Dawn Falcon
10-24-2011, 01:21 PM
http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-page-main/ehow/images/a07/cs/hq/energy-fans-vs-air-conditioners-800x800.jpg ?
PeterGinsberg
10-24-2011, 07:18 PM
I'm just glad I get to be the one to post this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhm-22Q0PuM
Dawn Falcon
10-24-2011, 07:21 PM
*snickers*
No offence, but American political videos take dumb to a new level. The side profile at the end which practically screams "fat cat banker" was a nice touch too.
After we win the White House.... we'll lie in bed and have a smoke.
Murbella
10-24-2011, 07:53 PM
I like how the user name of the poster is "thehermancain." I can totally imagine herman cain referring to himself like that.
Timex
10-24-2011, 07:57 PM
Lol, what is the deal with taking a drag from the cigarette? It's like they just forgot to cut that from the tape.
Also, after Obama's chief of staff, that guy looks like a hobo.
http://lumthemad.net/images/thehermancain.jpg
Timex
10-24-2011, 08:23 PM
Between this and the McRib thread, i'm laughing my ass off while watching football.
Jason McCullough
10-25-2011, 12:35 PM
After watching this even stranger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSlC7BxmSqY&sns=em) followup I'm pretty sure he hired a viral marketing agency.
Dawn Falcon
10-25-2011, 12:41 PM
American politics these days vs the Twilight Zone - which is stranger?
After watching this even stranger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSlC7BxmSqY&sns=em) followup I'm pretty sure he hired a viral marketing agency.
No, I think they're just that crazy.
Robert Sharp
10-25-2011, 02:38 PM
Just odd. So Nick Searcy (a real guy? or a made up guy being played by an actor? I have no idea and refuse to look it up) shows that he's an ass by threatening to fire some girl for not having a straw in his drink. This shows us that he's a real dude, just like us, and just like Herman Cain. Cain isn't made up. He's real. You could touch him and stuff. He's created jobs, but like the rest of us, he fires people from those jobs if they make eye contact or forget to put straws in his drink. Thus, he will unify America. If bringing in other threads weren't against the rules, I'd compare this guy to the lawyers at SlyFrog's firm. Just a real dude who knows how to put people in their real places.
jeffd
10-25-2011, 02:46 PM
Related: Cain doesn't seem to have any campaign organization in early primary states (http://swampland.time.com/2011/10/24/the-mystery-of-the-missing-presidential-campaign-cain-operation-mia-in-key-states/?iid=sl-main-lede).
I'm really not sure what to make of the guy at this point. It's pretty clear that this is a vanity candidacy, but somehow he's a frontrunner? It speaks volumes to how dissatisfied with their field the GOP are, that an obvious huckster can get real support (even if he is just flavor of the month).
He's a real person, a not very well-known character actor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Searcy
No, what's weird is that he starts as a parody of a power mad incompetent actor (too wussy to take his own punches! just like Barack HUSSEIN Obama!) but then segues into the hard sell for Herman Cain with no warning.
Robert Sharp
10-25-2011, 02:50 PM
Yes, that is also weird. There are many strange things about that ad. Maybe it's a liberal plot!
Talisker
10-25-2011, 03:02 PM
He's a real person, a not very well-known character actor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Searcy
He's awesome on Justified.
Brian Rubin
10-25-2011, 03:44 PM
He's awesome on Justified.
Oh yeah, totally awesome on Justified.
GatInDaHat
10-25-2011, 08:27 PM
Six! Six! Six!
Mark Asher
10-25-2011, 11:56 PM
Interesting. I always thought Cain was a vanity candidate. He has no idea what to do now that he's polling well.
But what the hey, why not go with crazy political commercials? Everything about his candidacy is crazy and his base is clearly the crazies too. I see nothing wrong with this strategy!
Adree
10-26-2011, 12:14 AM
After watching this even stranger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSlC7BxmSqY&sns=em) followup I'm pretty sure he hired a viral marketing agency.
I had no idea August came after October.
Robert Sharp
10-26-2011, 05:36 AM
Jason doesn't check dates. He's been very clear about that in other threads. Checking dates is for pedants.
Flowers
10-26-2011, 07:08 AM
Herman Cain is trolling America.
Jason McCullough
10-26-2011, 08:58 AM
I assumed since no one had linked it, it was newer!
Dan_Theman
10-26-2011, 09:47 AM
Herman Cain is trolling America.
I think he assumes he'll wind up losing, and has therefore decided that at least everyone is going to remember his name. Mission accomplished.
Timex
10-26-2011, 10:31 AM
http://images.wikia.com/en.futurama/images/1/1b/Bender%27srobot.jpg
Kolonial
10-26-2011, 11:13 AM
I think he assumes he'll wind up losing, and has therefore decided that at least everyone is going to remember his name. Mission accomplished.
It's not like there isn't a model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin) for this kind of thing. He just has to go through the trial by fire once, and in 2016 he can just make noise about trying to decide whether or not to run while raising money via an undefined "tour" of early primary states.
Dawn Falcon
10-26-2011, 11:24 AM
I think he assumes he'll wind up losing, and has therefore decided that at least everyone is going to remember his name. Mission accomplished.
And ends up buying his book. You forgot buying his book.
Mark Asher
10-26-2011, 11:37 AM
It's not like there isn't a model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin) for this kind of thing. He just has to go through the trial by fire once, and in 2016 he can just make noise about trying to decide whether or not to run while raising money via an undefined "tour" of early primary states.
Unless a Repub wins. Cain will have to wait until 2020 to be an attention whore again.
And look how much attention Palin gets now. Hardly any.
Kolonial
10-26-2011, 11:59 AM
Unless a Repub wins. Cain will have to wait until 2020 to be an attention whore again.
And look how much attention Palin gets now. Hardly any.
Yeah, I'm sure she's destitute. Maybe we should start a PAC for her?
Anyway, Herman Cain has staked out the crazy fringe. You think he won't make a pretend run at Romney in 2016, after snipping at his heels for the next four years? Let's not forget that this is a guy who seemingly launched his entire political career trying to recapture the high (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/434/transcript) he experienced from putting Clinton on the spot during a televised town hall meeting. If there truly is such a thing as an attention whore, Herman Cain is that thing.
Jason McCullough
10-26-2011, 03:40 PM
Lulz (http://www.thegrio.com/politics/black-tea-partier-calls-democrats-party-of-kkk.php).
Conservative activist Apostle Claver Kamau-Imani, chairman of the right wing blog RagingElephants.com, called the Democrats a racist party of the Klu Klux Klan at a Houston rally.
"They're the racists, not us," he said alluding to the Democratic party's past affiliation with Jim Crow and segregation.
The words were spoken at an event sponsored by the Clear Lake Tea Party where Herman Cain was the keynote speaker.
Continuing:
Kamau-Imani continued with his comments, name-calling prominent individuals.
"Somebody needs to get in Al 'Shakedown' Sharpton's face and call him a liar. Somebody needs to get in Cornell West's face and call him a bald face gap tooth liar."
And that's not all.
"Somebody needs to get in front of Jesse 'castration' Jackson and call him a liar."
Castration? The hell does that even mean?
This (http://www.thegrio.com/politics/cain-jesus-was-perfect-conservative-condemned-by-liberal-court.php) is better though. You see, Jesus was a conservative condemned by a liberal court.
Published just five days before Christmas, the piece claims that Jesus was "a perfect conservative" and that "he...changed the world for the better."
He helped the poor without one government program. He healed the sick without a government health care system. He [fed] the hungry without food stamps. And everywhere He went, it turned into a rally, attracting large crowds, and giving them hope, encouragement and inspiration.
For three years He was unemployed, and never collected an unemployment check. Nevertheless, he completed all the work He needed to get done. He didn't travel by private jet. He walked and sailed, and sometimes traveled on a donkey.
RepoMan
10-26-2011, 03:54 PM
Castration? The hell does that even mean?
Apparently this (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/item_45IPV1Bsm4QRVFnCy8VEkL;jsessionid=D589ECEEF90 2970407066BD678BF398C), from 2008:
WASHINGTON - In a shocking blast at Barack Obama that was caught on tape, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said, "I wanna cut his nuts out."
He made the astonishingly vulgar remark as he accused the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee of giving moral lectures to African-Americans.
"See, Barack [has] been talking down to black people . . . I wanna cut his nuts out," Jackson said.
His whispered comments - accompanied by his hand-miming a cutting motion - were picked up by a live mike before an interview on health care in Fox News Channel's Chicago studio Sunday.
Jealous much, there, Jesse?
Eric T Cheng
10-26-2011, 04:01 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-U97KzMwnciA/TmOT1O0MhDI/AAAAAAAAVJo/tcl0RpHY_7Y/s1600/Kamuamibillboards.jpg
Rightbug
10-26-2011, 04:27 PM
He helped the poor without one government program. He healed the sick without a government health care system. He [fed] the hungry without food stamps. And everywhere He went, it turned into a rally, attracting large crowds, and giving them hope, encouragement and inspiration.
For three years He was unemployed, and never collected an unemployment check. Nevertheless, he completed all the work He needed to get done. He didn't travel by private jet. He walked and sailed, and sometimes traveled on a donkey.
I can see how the Republicans view this as essentially conservative as Christ's basic methodology was magic.
How do we feed the poor in the US? With a single loaf of bread. How about health care for the poor? Lay hands on them and pray.
Jason McCullough
10-26-2011, 04:52 PM
Jealous much, there, Jesse?
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. It's just strange to hear him rattle off code names for all of them; do conservatives have embarassing black politician quotes on mental speed dial or something?
Dan_Theman
10-27-2011, 05:18 AM
I can see how the Republicans view this as essentially conservative as Christ's basic methodology was magic.
How do we feed the poor in the US? With a single loaf of bread. How about health care for the poor? Lay hands on them and pray.
I believe there are some people out there who expect exactly that. When I think too long on the matter, I enexorably come to face the reality that we live in a scary world.
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that. It's just strange to hear him rattle off code names for all of them; do conservatives have embarassing black politician quotes on mental speed dial or something?
I suspect that's not too far from the truth (again, for some vocal minority - I need to clarify as I don't want to upset most conservatives by asociating the rest of them with a minority, because we all know that doesn't go over well)*
* - I hope that people realize this was a joke. Despite my lengthy tenure as a standup comedian (one night in college ... I needed beer money), my sense of humor doesn't always translate very well to forums.
Gus_Smedstad
10-27-2011, 05:27 AM
"They're the racists, not us," he said alluding to the Democratic party's past affiliation with Jim Crow and segregation.
He's half-right. The Democratic party was the party of racism. It's just that when that was true, it was the same people who make up the Republican base now.
Brian Seiler
10-27-2011, 05:35 AM
How about health care for the poor? Lay hands on them and pray.
Well that's CLEARLY bullshit. Can you imagine Rush Limbaugh even coming within five feet of a poor person, let alone touching it? I could maybe buy reiki, but this.....
JeffL
10-27-2011, 12:26 PM
So, back to Cain and company....
He has zero chance of being the nominee. I will give odds if anyone wants to make a bet.
But Romney just can't seem to brake the 25% barrier in the GOP polling. They are just looking for ANYONE other than him, but then they realize Bachmann is too stupid for even them. Ditto Perry. And it will be ditto Cain. Don't know who they will try to latch on after him. This is a party in complete meltdown.
mrmolecule88
10-27-2011, 12:27 PM
Right, and the the bigger of a circus this becomes the less time the Republicans have to spend blaming Obama for the economy. They're shooting themselves in the foot with a gun in each hand.
JeffL
10-27-2011, 12:43 PM
I can't recall a time in my lifetime, at least since becoming politically aware and following politics (probably starting when I was in college and was doing volunteer work for Carter's campaign when he ran against Ford) when a party was in such complete meltdown. The Tea Party has rendered the rest of the party afraid to do anything except try to toe their line, but the Tea Party itself is such amateur hour that they are incapable of leading a party, and, for a party that is supposed to be dictating the terms, their "ideal" candidates (e.g. Bachmann, to a lesser extent Perry) are such bumbling idiots the party as a whole just absolutely refuses to support them.
It makes me wonder what percentage of the party is actually aligned with the Tea Party? It could be interesting if the Tea Party represented, say, 20% or so of the party, yet they are dictating the type of candidates running and how those candidates present themselves.
cheapfilms
10-27-2011, 01:33 PM
This is my ad for the thread. It's quite nice
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6019/6286660965_46cac9ae4e_z.jpg
Rightbug
10-27-2011, 03:08 PM
But Romney just can't seem to brake the 25% barrier in the GOP polling.
Here in New Hampshire Romney's currently polling at 40%. New England and all that but we have our share of Libertarians and Tea Partiers. (Paul is actually hovering around 12% along with Cain.)
Interestingly, Huntsman's at about 6% here, way out ahead of Perry who's only got 1%.
jeffd
10-27-2011, 03:12 PM
Romney's national support definitely seems to have a ceiling.
One thing I kinda wish: the media focuses way too much on national polls. Primary season occurs in like four distinct phases: The early states (Iowa, NH, South Carolina, Nevada). The Mid states (everything up to and including Super-Tuesday), and the post Super-Tuesday states. The latter group is a lot of states and is almost totally irrelevant. National polling includes lots of these states, which makes it not a great indicator.
JoshV
10-27-2011, 03:20 PM
Romney's national support definitely seems to have a ceiling.
One thing I kinda wish: the media focuses way too much on national polls. Primary season occurs in like four distinct phases: The early states (Iowa, NH, South Carolina, Nevada). The Mid states (everything up to and including Super-Tuesday), and the post Super-Tuesday states. The latter group is a lot of states and is almost totally irrelevant. National polling includes lots of these states, which makes it not a great indicator.
Living on the west coast, I've always felt like my vote for president has mostly been irrelevant. =)
jeffd
10-27-2011, 03:25 PM
At least in terms of primaries the west coast does OK. The Washington caucus is before Super Tuesday, and California is (of course) a Super Tuesday state.
Jason McCullough
10-27-2011, 03:35 PM
That got me curious, here's the primary dates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29_presidential_ primaries,_2012#Primary_and_caucus_dates) for this year. They're apparently still fighting over everyone trying to jump earlier.
jeffd
10-27-2011, 03:36 PM
Yeah iirc Florida tried to jump the gun and it started to turn into (another) clusterfuck.
De_Treville
10-27-2011, 05:25 PM
This is my ad for the thread. It's quite nice
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6019/6286660965_46cac9ae4e_z.jpg
Sounds like a plan. Simply put a miniaturized version in burritos, tortillas and sombreros, and zap 'em all when they wander near the border. They'll learn in no time!
(To the extent I appear to be suggesting we put shocking devices in stereotypically mexican foods and hats, I'm just joking.
But, we may need to put devices in mexican foods and hats, and they may have to be shocking ones. From that I'm not walking away, 'cause I love America.)
Mark Asher
10-27-2011, 10:56 PM
So, back to Cain and company....
He has zero chance of being the nominee. I will give odds if anyone wants to make a bet.
But Romney just can't seem to brake the 25% barrier in the GOP polling. They are just looking for ANYONE other than him, but then they realize Bachmann is too stupid for even them. Ditto Perry. And it will be ditto Cain. Don't know who they will try to latch on after him. This is a party in complete meltdown.
But they will still nominate someone and then support will solidify behind that candidate. They are in disarray, but I'm not sure how much that hurts them after they have their candidate. At that point it's their guy or Obama, and Obama is a muslim who was born in Kenya. Not a hard choice.
Jason McCullough
10-27-2011, 11:11 PM
It'll be truly strange if Cain gets it because unlike Goldwater, he has no set of hardcore obsessives for him. If he wins Iowa I expect the GOP elites to do what the Democrats elites did to Dean in 2004.
It'll be truly strange if Cain gets it because unlike Goldwater, he has no set of hardcore obsessives for him. If he wins Iowa I expect the GOP elites to do what the Democrats elites did to Dean in 2004.
Let him drown in New Hampshire?
Say hypothetically Cain gets Iowa (which is still highly dubious given the amount of organization needed for successful []i]caucusing[/i] - a different animal from primary voting). He still won't win NH. He's got better play in South Carolina (slight lead right now) and maybe he could pull it out.
But then comes Florida and Romney drops the hammer with a bunch of delegates. Then more caucuses which will drain Cain's coffers if anything remains after huge media buys in the Florida market, which he'll have to do to keep ahead of Perry, and then Arizona. Romney again.
From the horserace perspective, Cain is not looking strong (especially after that recent stupid ad). I think at best, he can drag Perry down setting up Romney.
Unless Romney gets caught with the 'dead girl or live boy', it's his nomination to lose. Perry was good on paper but can't get his crap together. It's Romney's 'turn', and - most importantly - the big money has been getting behind Romney for a while.
HumanTon
10-28-2011, 06:50 AM
Exactly. Given the proportional-delegates rules the GOP is using this time around (until April), this race is not going to go to whoever makes the biggest splash in the first couple of states. It's going to go to whoever has the strongest organization and the deepest pockets in the long haul. That favors Romney over Cain by a considerable margin.
Despite Cain's meteoric rise to the top, Romney is nonetheless tied with Cain in Iowa and New Hampshire. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44850577/ns/politics-decision_2012/t/romney-leads-iowa-new-hampshire/#.TqqwfbJc_gc) All Romney has to do to win is stand pat. Cain, on the other hand, has to put an effective national organization together in a couple of months. Not gonna happen based on what we've seen from him so far.
Rightbug
10-28-2011, 06:57 AM
Despite Cain's meteoric rise to the top, Romney is nonetheless tied with Cain in Iowa and New Hampshire. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44850577/ns/politics-decision_2012/t/romney-leads-iowa-new-hampshire/#.TqqwfbJc_gc)
Romney actually has a 30 point lead in New Hampshire according to that article which is a couple of weeks old. I think Cain has dropped since then.
Timex
10-28-2011, 07:02 AM
Hasn't Cain invested... basically zero in New Hampshire?
Rightbug
10-28-2011, 07:35 AM
Hasn't Cain invested... basically zero in New Hampshire?
Yes.
Huntsman, meanwhile, has been spending a lot of time here and made a big deal about boycotting the Vegas debate when Nevada tried to move up their primary so he's ahead of Perry, Bachman and Gingrinch.
Timex
10-28-2011, 07:39 AM
Ah... I was wondering why he wasn't at that debate.
Sammich
10-28-2011, 03:29 PM
Big potato moths! (http://youtu.be/uE5xZKszXMQ)
Robert Sharp
10-29-2011, 07:24 AM
That's a nice dub!
arctangent
10-29-2011, 08:04 AM
"All you can do is give that woodchuck a tuna melt".
Indeed.
Hechicera
10-29-2011, 10:36 AM
I'm just glad I get to be the one to post this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhm-22Q0PuM
And I get to post this video response first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOYVB2hc0HA
More a parody than the yellow flowers.
Morberis
10-29-2011, 11:14 AM
The fact that he's un-electable pains me, that video was awesome.
Dawn Falcon
10-29-2011, 11:25 AM
The fact that he's un-electable pains me, that video was awesome.
The Official Monster Raving Loonie Party is also awesome, it doesn't mean I want them in control of anything more technical than a microwave, let alone the economy*. Of course, the OMRLP is honest enough not to pretend they're serious.
He's selling his book, ffs!
(*I'm being unfair, actually, the local councillor in Ashburton did fine)
Talisker
10-29-2011, 11:25 AM
The fact that he's un-electable pains me, that video was awesome.
It needed a creepy grin at the end.
Morberis
10-29-2011, 11:59 AM
The Official Monster Raving Loonie Party is also awesome, it doesn't mean I want them in control of anything more technical than a microwave, let alone the economy*. Of course, the OMRLP is honest enough not to pretend they're serious.
He's selling his book, ffs!
(*I'm being unfair, actually, the local councillor in Ashburton did fine)
From what I've heard I'd prefer Jon Hunstsman to many of the right. But the reasons why he's unelectable are what bother me, he professes to believe in scientific explanations of events and he's not quite as far right as much of the GOP. If believing scientific consensus makes you too out there for most of your base, well you can see what happens. The fact that his family isn't insane just demonstrates to me that maybe he's not insane either, like say Bachman. But Bachman is dead in the water anyway thankfully.
Maybe I just haven't heard enough about him, or what I've heard is bias'd but I prefer him over most of the GOP.
ShivaX
10-29-2011, 03:18 PM
Maybe I just haven't heard enough about him, or what I've heard is bias'd but I prefer him over most of the GOP.
You should, he is sane.
JeffL
10-30-2011, 05:12 AM
Well, when Huckabee laughs and says he is now not conservative enough for the GOP (he was viciously booed when he said this year in a speech that he had to believe the scientific data that some people were born gay, and that made it challenging for him to say they were "wrong", and challenged his beliefs, followed by saying that even if you believe homosexuality is a sin, it is no more a sin than overeating or lying or anything else, so it would be hypocritical for any Christian to point fingers, etc.) - well, after that Huckabee said, hey, I'm obviously to conservative for the left and now I'm not conservative enough for the right. So if Huckabee is not conservative enough, you have a good grasp of how insane this party has become. I doubt Bush Jr. would have been able to get the nomination in this environment.
HumanTon
10-31-2011, 06:58 AM
It was a fun ride while it lasted, but it looks like the Cain train might have just derailed.
Reports have surfaced of sexual harassment during the 90s (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45099767/ns/politics-decision_2012/#.Tq6nVrJc_gc), while Cain was in charge of the National Restaurant Association. And at the same time there are reports that Cain's campaign was initially -- and illegally -- funded by a private corporation run by his chief of staff. (http://www.jsonline.mobi/watchdog/noquarter/state-firms-cash-to-herman-cain-may-breach-federal-campaign-tax-laws-132898423.html?ua=android&dc=smart&c=y)
ydejin
10-31-2011, 07:30 AM
It was a fun ride while it lasted, but it looks like the Cain train might have just derailed.
Reports have surfaced of sexual harassment during the 90s (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45099767/ns/politics-decision_2012/#.Tq6nVrJc_gc), while Cain was in charge of the National Restaurant Association. And at the same time there are reports that Cain's campaign was initially -- and illegally -- funded by a private corporation run by his chief of staff. (http://www.jsonline.mobi/watchdog/noquarter/state-firms-cash-to-herman-cain-may-breach-federal-campaign-tax-laws-132898423.html?ua=android&dc=smart&c=y)
We're talking about the Republican party here. I'm not so sure they'll care about either of these issues. They almost certainly wouldn't if this was the general election. After all, sexual harassment and campaign finance laws are both ideas that liberals came up with to try to wreck this great country. I suppose some of Cain's opponents might try to get some traction with them.
Flowers
10-31-2011, 07:47 AM
Barry Goldwater predicted the current state of the Republican Party as the natural consequence of a failure to keep religion out of politics.
JeffL
10-31-2011, 09:25 AM
Well, radical as it may seem, I think I'll reserve judgement on his guilt until we see a bit more.
MattKeil
10-31-2011, 01:26 PM
It was a fun ride while it lasted, but it looks like the Cain train might have just derailed.
Reports have surfaced of sexual harassment during the 90s (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45099767/ns/politics-decision_2012/#.Tq6nVrJc_gc), while Cain was in charge of the National Restaurant Association. And at the same time there are reports that Cain's campaign was initially -- and illegally -- funded by a private corporation run by his chief of staff. (http://www.jsonline.mobi/watchdog/noquarter/state-firms-cash-to-herman-cain-may-breach-federal-campaign-tax-laws-132898423.html?ua=android&dc=smart&c=y)
http://i42.tinypic.com/5cqwp.gif
RepoMan
10-31-2011, 01:48 PM
AAAAAAAAAGH HE'S COMING TO GET ME
Jason McCullough
10-31-2011, 04:01 PM
Hahah oh god the new meaning of that smile.
Murbella
10-31-2011, 08:28 PM
Is Herman Cain gonna have to choke a bitch?
RepoMan
11-01-2011, 09:23 AM
Quoted in its entirety because it so perfectly fits the Cain pattern of "Oh, I did that? Well, I didn't mean it and it was a joke anyway so FUCK YOU ALL (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67337.html)"
Herman Cain once again revised his account of the sexual harassment allegations he battled in the 1990s, saying in a TV interview he recalled there were additional “ridiculous” items in his accuser’s complaint, beyond the single incident he detailed Monday.
Cain said in Monday television appearances that he could remember only one specific incident in his accuser’s complaint. He described that episode again to Headline News this morning, saying it involved “putting my hand under my chin, standing near this lady, saying, ‘Oh, you’re the same height as my wife.’”
But this time, Cain went on to say that there had been “a couple of other things” in the complaint filed during his time at the National Restaurant Association, though he claimed not to remember the specifics.
The complaint concerned “the gesture with the height thing and there were a couple of other things in there that I found absolutely ridiculous,” Cain said, as HLN’s Robin Meade cut in asking him what “ridiculous” things he was referring to.
“I don’t even remember. They were so ridiculous, I don’t remember what they are,” Cain said.
The anchor pressed him: “You remember they were ridiculous, but you don’t remember what the other things were?”
“The reason I forgot them is because they were ridiculous. I dismissed them out of my mind,” Cain said. “I said if she can make that stick and call that sexual harassment, fine. But it didn't stick, okay? So, I don't remember what they were. The only thing that I remember is the one gesture that I made, talking about the height.”
Cain has now revised his story numerous times since speaking out on POLITICO’s report about two financial settlements the NRA reached with women who had complained about his behavior. Initially, he claimed not to have any knowledge of financial payouts – an assertion he has backtracked on, saying he now recalls an agreement with one woman.
UPDATE: Christian Heinze points out that Cain mentioned in his interview with Greta Van Susteren yesterday that there had been additional "simple stuff" in the harassment complaint, but said he couldn't recall the details. NRA's general counsel "may have told me what incidents that she might have included in the claim, but all day today, as I've been getting beat up, I've been trying to recall what some of those things were and haven't been able to recall a lot of them because that's why they got dismissed," Cain said on Fox. "It was no basis because it was simple stuff."
WHATEVER, dude. God, I'd love to see this guy debate Obama.
Politico's shit is weak. They're hounding him for not remembering details that were ridiculous because they weren't true? There's nothing actually out of the ordinary with that.
This hurts liberals and helps the GOP.
BlueJackalope
11-01-2011, 10:51 AM
Cain said in Monday television appearances that he could remember only one specific incident in his accuser’s complaint. He described that episode again to Headline News this morning, saying it involved “putting my hand under my chin, standing near this lady, saying, ‘Oh, you’re the same height as my wife.’”
Are you sure you didn't hold your hand at belt-level Herman?
mrmolecule88
11-01-2011, 10:56 AM
The sexual harassment stuff is less frightening than his complete inability to deal with this is any sort of reasonable, adult, mature manner.
NUH UH NO I DIDN'T is one thing, but changing your story three times just tells me Cain is either a)not decisive b) has terrible counsel or c) has a bad memory. Politicians are supposed to remember thousands of names, faces, and facts, so all three are equally damning. To me, anyway.
JoshV
11-01-2011, 11:03 AM
For being unelectable, this guy gets way too much news coverage. It's almost like...like..the Jersey Shore effect.
ShivaX
11-01-2011, 01:15 PM
For being unelectable, this guy gets way too much news coverage. It's almost like...like..the Jersey Shore effect.
See Palin, Bachmann and Perry. All unelectable all got tons of coverage.
mystery
11-01-2011, 01:37 PM
Just a reminder from Ann Coulter: Our Blacks Are So Much Better (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201110310016).
charmtrap
11-01-2011, 02:11 PM
This whole "liberal conspiracy" angle is almost comical. What on earth would liberals have to gain by sinking Cain before he gets the nomination. Cain as the Republican candidate is every establishment liberal's wet dream. Surely no-one outside the 27% can possibly take that seriously.
Menzo
11-01-2011, 03:28 PM
"It's the liberals!" sounds so much better than "these accusations, and Cain's inability to deal with them in a coherant manner, bring to light serious questions about his ability to be elected."
charmtrap
11-02-2011, 10:06 AM
Cain is apparently unaware that China has nukes:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20128920-503544/herman-cain-incorrectly-suggests-china-doesnt-have-nuclear-capability/
ShivaX
11-02-2011, 10:09 AM
Cain is apparently unaware that China has nukes:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20128920-503544/herman-cain-incorrectly-suggests-china-doesnt-have-nuclear-capability/
Trying to develop...
Yeah, they tried it about 50 years ago and succeeded.
I mean the nuclear club isn't that big. Next he'll tell us India and Pakistan are trying too. No one tell him about South Africa, or god forbid North Korea.
RepoMan
11-02-2011, 10:44 AM
Cain's remarks have in the past raised questions about his foreign policy credentials. Earlier this month, when joking about "gotcha" questions, Cain said, "And when they ask me, 'Who is the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan?' I'm going to say you know, 'I don't know. Do you know?' And then I'm going to say, 'How's that going to create one job?'" Cain also took heat from his GOP rivals when he suggested on CNN this month that he would free the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay in a prisoner exchange with terrorists -- a comment he later walked back.
I am so glad I created this thread!
Edit: Ooh! More! (http://www.cbsnews.com/8300-503544_162-503544.html?tag=hdr#ixzz1cZTrm3bv)
In an appearance Wednesday morning at the Northern Virginia Technology Council, the besieged Cain blamed unnamed political enemies for the scandal. "There are factions that are trying to destroy me, personally as well as this campaign. But there is a force greater at work here, that is much greater than those that would try to destroy me and destroy this campaign and this journey to the White House. And that force is called the voice of the people. That's why we're doing as well as we are in this campaign so far."
Hoping for applause, Cain was met with ... silence. The roughly 350 people at the Ritz Carlton sat quietly in their chairs, leaving the besieged Republican candidate to literally beg for a response. "Y'all are supposed to applaud," the former pizza executive said. And they finally did.
Fucking awesome. The voice of the people sometimes has to be told what to do, it would seem.
Jason McCullough
11-02-2011, 11:27 AM
I'm just hoping he ends up funnier than Perot. God almighty, prisoner exchange with Al Qaeda?
ShivaX
11-02-2011, 11:32 AM
Herman Cain: "I don't know shit about anything! But I'll make jobs! Why isn't anyone applauding?"
charmtrap
11-02-2011, 03:25 PM
Ruh-roh. (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/11/third-woman-says-cain-harassed-her/44478/)
A third female ex-employee of the National Restaurant Association says Cain showed "aggressive and unwanted behavior" toward her, including "sexually suggestive remarks or gestures," the Associated Press' Jack Gillum and Stephen Ohlemacher report. "The employee described situations in which she said Cain told her he had confided to colleagues how attractive she was and invited her to his corporate apartment outside work." The woman did not want to share her name, the Associated Press says.
Flowers
11-02-2011, 03:47 PM
That was the 1990's, though. Everyone and their mother got sued for sexual harassment. Didn't you ever see that Michael Douglas movie? It was happening all over!
Really though, sexual harassment lawsuits should be divided into three categories. Uptights, people who are getting hazed, and people who were sexually propositioned by superiors.
People who got hit on once by a coworker or who don't like the kind of jokes people tell at the watercooler need to walk it off. People who get teased by the boys club should get seventeen grand, doubling to thirty-four if you get a liquid on you. People who were told that sexual favors or the lack thereof would have consequences for their employment should get a year's salary, unless they can't find a new job in the same field, and then they should get triple.
Brian Rubin
11-02-2011, 03:49 PM
Flowers, do you read the things you write?
Mark Asher
11-02-2011, 03:49 PM
Clinton's philandering didn't seem to hurt his popularity. I doubt this stuff will hurt Cain with his base. They probably think it's just oversensitive feminazis anyway.
RepoMan
11-02-2011, 03:52 PM
Fortunately for us all, it will hurt Cain with the Nebulous Moderates.
HumanTon
11-02-2011, 05:30 PM
And Cain & co. are now blaming .... Rick Perry for all Cain's woes. (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/mark-block-rick-perry-needs-to-apologize-to-herman-cainand-america-video.php?ref=fpa)
I don't know what comment Mitt Romney has about all this, but I imagine it runs something like: "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
AndrewM
11-02-2011, 07:09 PM
If it is a conspiracy of some sort, I'd put money on some kind of Rove-ian cabal of GOP backers who have decided that enough is enough with this particular candidate who can't possibly win. If you are a Democrat operative, you hold onto this until a month or so before the general election...
Tin Wisdom
11-02-2011, 07:34 PM
If it is a conspiracy of some sort, I'd put money on some kind of Rove-ian cabal of GOP backers who have decided that enough is enough with this particular candidate who can't possibly win. If you are a Democrat operative, you hold onto this until a month or so before the general election...
It may indeed be a cabal of GOP operatives that decided to do some in-depth digging on Cain, but it need not be a mysterious conspiracy. After all, this is partially what the primary season is for -- if the GOP guys can dig up sexual harassment stuff on Cain, you can bet your ass that the Democratic Machine could do it just as quickly. Airing this stuff now and causing Cain to lose the nomination is much less a sin (from a GOP point of view) than sweeping it under a rug and praying that it doesn't come up in the general election, even if he were their best shot at the brass ring.
Rasputin
11-03-2011, 08:09 AM
Flowers, do you read the things you write?
What do you find objectionable in his post?
It's actually pretty accurate, back in the 90s I saw examples of all three.
Bahimiron
11-03-2011, 08:59 AM
And Cain & co. are now blaming .... Rick Perry for all Cain's woes. (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/mark-block-rick-perry-needs-to-apologize-to-herman-cainand-america-video.php?ref=fpa)
God, yes.
Since Palin dropped out I've been super disappointed that we wouldn't get to see a repeat of her antics in 2008, but instead of her flipping out about the liberal media attacking her it'd instead be her flipping out about her fellow candidates destroying her in debates.
Herman Cain gives me hope that the few months will be wonderful.
RepoMan
11-03-2011, 10:54 AM
It probably was Perry's people, and you know, the more Cain gets all mouth-frothy and paranoid, the better. As opposed to, say, actually being honest about what the holy fuck happened. I hope the restaurant association's lawyers do agree that Cain already broke the no-comment agreement in the settlement, because I want to know all the dirt. Plus, I want this scandal to get resolved so we can hurry up with the next scandal. Go Cain!
JeffL
11-04-2011, 02:10 AM
The sexual harassment stuff is less frightening than his complete inability to deal with this is any sort of reasonable, adult, mature manner.
NUH UH NO I DIDN'T is one thing, but changing your story three times just tells me Cain is either a)not decisive b) has terrible counsel or c) has a bad memory. Politicians are supposed to remember thousands of names, faces, and facts, so all three are equally damning. To me, anyway.
Well, to be fair, politicians accused of stuff like this tend to stumble around and lie about it for a while. Clinton's denials, Wiener's someone hacked me, no I didn't do it, gosh I don't remember, can't tell if that's MY picture etc. It's rare that a politician handles these well.
I'm not a fan of Cain, but so far the dumbest thing he's done IMO is point fingers at Perry in the way that he has. Perry's people may well be behind it, but you'd better be damned sure before you fire your cannon at another candidate in your party.
HumanTon
11-04-2011, 06:29 AM
More importantly, you should aim your cannon where it will do some good. There's no point trying to blow a hole in Perry's boat, since it's sinking anyway.
Brian Rucker
11-04-2011, 09:28 AM
WASHINGTON -- In Herman Cain's America, the tax code would be very, very simple: The corporate income tax rate would be 9 percent, the personal income tax rate would be 9 percent and the national sales tax rate would be 9 percent.
But there's already a 999 plan out there, in a land called SimCity.
Long before Cain was running for president and getting attention for his 999 plan, the residents of SimCity 4 -- which was released in 2003 -- were living under a system where the default tax rate was 9 percent for commercial taxes, 9 percent for industrial taxes and 9 percent for residential taxes.
Adopting such a simple tax structure, Katsarelis said, would allow fantasy political leaders to focus their energy on infrastructure and national security. "Our game design team thought that an easy to understand taxation system would allow players to focus on building their cities and have fun thwarting giant lizard attacks, rather than be buried by overly complex financial systems."
When asked about similarities between Cain's plan and SimCity's default tax rates, Cain campaign spokesman JD Gordon replied, "Well, we all like 9-9-9."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/herman-cain-999-sim-city_n_1008952.html
And this.
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10100106788561728
Timex
11-04-2011, 09:38 AM
One of the things which bugs me most about what seems to be the primary criticism of the 999 plan at this point from other republicans, is the falacious argument that "This is gonna raise your taxes, since it's going to be on top of your current sales tax!"
While I think Cain argued against this pretty poorly, it really isn't a good argument against the plan. Who cares if the sales tax goes on top of other current state taxes? It's not meant to replace those taxes. It's meant to replace the current federal tax structure.
Again, I'm not necessarily a supporter of the 999 plan, but bad arguments against ideas tend to bug me, even if the ideas being argued against are bad for other reasons. Lots of time, this bugs me purely because it ends up obfuscating the GOOD arguments against those ideas.
Fugitive
11-04-2011, 09:42 AM
http://i.imgur.com/UINgv.jpg
Huzurdaddi
11-04-2011, 09:44 AM
Shouldn't the bar for the top 20% be colored red in that silly graphic?
Soapyfrog
11-04-2011, 09:46 AM
Well at least those moochers in the bottom half will finally have to pay their share EH??
mrmolecule88
11-04-2011, 09:48 AM
Ugh. His new tactic of crying "Racism!" and blaming it on the Democrats and Perry makes me feel a little queasy inside. Does that mean I'm allowed to criticize him for not joining the Civil Rights Movement now? He brought up the issue, after all, and he certainly thinks it's something worth complaining about.
Rasputin
11-04-2011, 09:51 AM
Is he playing the race card as his new tactic now? Well, IOKIYAR, once again.
mrmolecule88
11-04-2011, 09:57 AM
Yeah. He even got Coulter to come out to say "Our blacks are better than your blacks!" and then went and interviewed with Clarence Thomas' wife. I thought his whole deal was that he got to where he was without any help? What's the dealio?
BlueJackalope
11-04-2011, 10:04 AM
Well at least those moochers in the bottom half will finally have to pay their share EH??
Great. Now I have to figure out where I'm going to store that extra $1.3 million.
I am so sick of this government getting in my way all the time.
mrmolecule88
11-04-2011, 02:35 PM
Herman's latest: "Yeah, I'm the Koch candidate. We're brothers from another mother!"
jeffd
11-04-2011, 02:36 PM
I cannot believe he said that.
mrmolecule88
11-04-2011, 02:37 PM
Read it and weep! (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/04/cain-on-koch-brothers-im-their-brother-from-another-mother/?iref=allsearch)
Literally. Start weeping.
ShivaX
11-04-2011, 03:08 PM
I thought his whole deal was that he got to where he was without any help? What's the dealio?
The new trick of any GOP "minority" is to pull this apparently. I mean Palin did it constantly. She said she was all independent and whatever, then once someone criticized her for anything she played the "they hate me cause I'm a woman and its sexism" card.
Now Cain is all "screw the civil rights I'm my own man" until people criticize him and then hes suddenly "you racists hate me cause I'm black."
krise madsen
11-04-2011, 03:34 PM
Chart
If something like this was implemented, would the top 0.1% even notice the added money? I mean, these people are richer than God, so what's a million plus bucks a year more or less to them?
RepoMan
11-04-2011, 05:28 PM
Hermain Cain wishes he were a real Koch brother, because then they might share more money with him.
Damn, dude ain't getting many votes from the 99% with that attitude, but I'm sure he doesn't want their votes anyway, even though he certainly can't win without 'em.
Gus_Smedstad
11-04-2011, 08:38 PM
If something like this was implemented, would the top 0.1% even notice the added money? I mean, these people are richer than God, so what's a million plus bucks a year more or less to them?
Judging from the way they whine about taxes, it's still important to them. It's probably because you're lowering their score.
Rachel Maddow finally figures it out! (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/05/maddow-cain-pokemon/)
That's actually a decent argument. Makes more sense than his campaign does.
sinfony
11-06-2011, 06:39 AM
Hermain Cain wishes he were a real Koch brother, because then they might share more money with him.
To the contrary, real Koch brothers sue each other to get more money.
ShivaX
11-06-2011, 06:53 AM
Apparently asking about something Cain doesn't want to talk about and refuses to answer (http://news.yahoo.com/cain-says-wont-answer-harassment-questions-024436479.html) is unethical.
Robert Sharp
11-06-2011, 07:13 AM
Rachel Maddow finally figures it out! (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/05/maddow-cain-pokemon/)
I find this quite believable, actually. No campaign staffs? All those secret messages? It's too clear once she spells it out. He's exposing the Republican party, isn't he? Amazing....
Menzo
11-06-2011, 07:34 AM
Rachel Maddow finally figures it out! (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/05/maddow-cain-pokemon/)
I wish it were true. I wish Herman Cain was a secret artistic genius or that at the Republican convention Ashton Kutcher is going to jump out from behind the camera and shout "you've been punked!"
But it's unfortunately not true. Herman Cain's rise is simply a testament to how crazy today's politics and specifically the Republican party has become.
Or maybe I'm wrong and we're actually seeing some crazy artist create Brewster's Millions in real life, for what else can explain Cain other than a vote for "none of the above"?
RepoMan
11-07-2011, 11:09 AM
Gloria Allred news conference being liveblogged (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/11/herman-cain-sex-harassment-new-accuser-/1) now.
2:05 p.m. ET
"I really didn't want to be here today," Bialek says.
"I want you, Mr. Cain, to come clean. Just admit what you did. Admit you were inappropriate to people...and then move forward."
"Mr. Cain, I implore you," she says, "Make this right. "
2:04 p.m. ET
Herman Cain's campaign just e-mailed us a statement.
Just as the country finally begins to refocus on our crippling $15 trillion national debt and the unacceptably high unemployment rate, now activist celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred is bringing forth more false accusations against the character of Republican front-runner Herman Cain.
All allegations of harassment against Mr. Cain are completely false. Mr. Cain has never harassed anyone. Fortunately the American people will not allow Mr. Cain's bold "9-9-9 Plan", clear foreign policy vision and plans for energy independence to be overshadowed by these bogus attacks.
2:02 p.m. ET
Bialek says she told her boyfriend and "a mentor at the time" that Cain had been inappropriate. She said she was "embarrassed" and didn't go into details.
2:01 p.m. ET
Bialek says Cain offered to help her find a job with one of the state restaurant associations.
"He suddenly reached over and put his hand on my leg, under my skirt and reached for my genitals," she said.
2 p.m. ET
Bialek describes a situation in 1997, where she met him in the bar at the Capital Hilton in Washington, D.C. She said he helped arrange a "palatial suite" at the hotel for her.
"I upgraded you," Bialek says Cain told her.
1:59 p.m. ET
Bialek says she reached out to Cain for help in finding a job at the behest of her boyfriend.
1:58 p.m. ET
Bialek describes how she sat next to Cain at a dinner during a National Restaurant Association conference. At the time she was employed by the NRA's educational foundation.
1:57 p.m. ET
Allred shows statements from a pediatrician and a businessman who were told by Bialek what happened.
1:55 p.m. ET
Allred says Bialek understands she'll face public scrutiny and chose not to sell her story. "I for one am disgusted at Mr. Cain's serial sexual harassment of women," Allred says, adding that the candidate is "actively lying to Americans."
1:54 p.m. ET
Bialek reached out to Cain to find a job, Allred says. Cain instead provided her with "his idea of a stimulus package," Allred says.
1:51 p.m. ET
Allred has introduced her client, Sharon Bialek. The woman is the first to go public with allegations against Cain.
1:49 p.m. ET
Cain and Mitt Romney are tied in the new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, but a majority of Republicans say they wouldn't vote for a candidate proved to have sexually harassed employees.
"his idea of a stimulus package"
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/3/27/129142314583810865.jpg
charmtrap
11-07-2011, 11:51 AM
There's a reason why all these wronged women hire Gloria Allred. She's very good at what she does.
I like how one of his three bullet points is foreign policy, something Herman Cain demonstrably knows absolutely nothing about. Every time he opens his mouth about something beyond our borders he gets it wildly wrong.
Which is fine - well, not really fine but understandable - because this election is clearly going to hinge on economics and domestic policy. But come on, if one of the three reasons we're supposed to vote for you is to *go back in time and stop the Chinese from developing nuclear weapons in 1964* and when you're on record as aggressively being proud of not knowing the leader of "Uzbeki-beki-beki-stan-stan-stan" (by the way, it's Islam Karimov and he's run the place for the past 30 years), YOU DO NOT GET TO USE THAT AS A BULLET POINT.
Also, stop being Rapey McRapist.
Rasputin
11-07-2011, 01:30 PM
Doesn't mean his foreign policy vision isn't clear, though. Hulk Hogan's sure was.
Tim James
11-07-2011, 01:39 PM
I like how one of his three bullet points is foreign policy, something Herman Cain demonstrably knows absolutely nothing about. Every time he opens his mouth about something beyond our borders he gets it wildly wrong.I'm not sure why you're trying to make a serious analysis when the third bullet point is this:
Fortunately the American people will not allow Mr. Cain's bold "9-9-9 Plan", clear foreign policy vision and plans for energy independence to be overshadowed by these bogus attacks.Everyone take a shot! Down your beers!
I wasn't a fan before, but he just used my favorite presidential watchword. Cain 2012.
Jason McCullough
11-07-2011, 03:07 PM
Four women! So awesome.
Mark Asher
11-07-2011, 03:35 PM
Four women! So awesome.
He's an amateur compared to Clinton, though. Herman slips a hand up a skirt. Bill is making the headboards bang against the motel walls while the Arkansas Highway Patrol is on guard outside.
charmtrap
11-07-2011, 03:45 PM
http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20162fc355c9a970d-800wi
Jasko
11-07-2011, 03:49 PM
It's a Banksy project.
So he grabbed that woman and forced her head at his cock? Oh God...now I feel sorry for all those who ate Godfather's Pizza.
JoshV
11-07-2011, 03:50 PM
Republican front-runner Herman Cain??
Seriously?
rhinohelix
11-07-2011, 03:54 PM
Four women! So awesome.
I thought this new one was the third.
Somewhere, Clinton is smoking a cigar and scoffing at amateurs in a variety of endeavors.
charmtrap
11-07-2011, 03:59 PM
I thought this new one was the third.
Somewhere, Clinton is smoking a cigar and scoffing at amateurs in a variety of endeavors.
Of course there's a few miles of difference between consensual sex and assault.
Jasko
11-07-2011, 04:05 PM
I thought this new one was the third.
Somewhere, Clinton is smoking a cigar and scoffing at amateurs in a variety of endeavors.
SNL will do a skit in which Bill Clinton tries to teach Cain the proper way of picking up a gal in an El Camino.
Kolonial
11-07-2011, 04:09 PM
So he grabbed that woman and forced her head at his cock? Oh God...now I feel sorry for all those who ate Godfather's Pizza.
She said she wanted to see the trade association's headquarters. Who is he to argue?
MatthewF
11-07-2011, 04:41 PM
Rachel Maddow finally figures it out! (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/05/maddow-cain-pokemon/)
I swear to god, she's right. I watched the whole video and all the 999 things she digs up, and look at the ad above the video:
http://i.imgur.com/Ykl8A.jpg
Herman Cain is trolling America.
JeffL
11-07-2011, 05:09 PM
Somewhere, Clinton is smoking a cigar and scoffing at amateurs in a variety of endeavors.
Indeed. Apparently these ladies were paid about $45K in nuisance settlement money - Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000. Cain is a real amateur in this game.
Kolonial
11-07-2011, 06:15 PM
Indeed. Apparently these ladies were paid about $45K in nuisance settlement money - Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000. Cain is a real amateur in this game.
I dunno, Paula Jones didn't keep her trap shut, either. In fact, I'm wondering if there was even one Clinton paramour who didn't blab.
VegasRobb
11-07-2011, 08:28 PM
That should be about it for Cain. Next frontrunner please.
RyanMichael
11-07-2011, 09:16 PM
Hrmm...
http://i.imgur.com/RpOp9.png
Jasper Phillips
11-07-2011, 10:19 PM
Cain is apparently unaware that China has nukes:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20128920-503544/herman-cain-incorrectly-suggests-china-doesnt-have-nuclear-capability/
WTF? How can anyo...
Rachel Maddow finally figures it out! (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/05/maddow-cain-pokemon/)
Ahhhh. Fuck, I just don't know what to believe here.
Funnier than hell if it's actually true!
Jason McCullough
11-07-2011, 11:22 PM
The best part (http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/11/07/opening_act_400_of_wine.html).
Cain exhibited no inappropriate sexual behavior during the dinner, though he did order two $400 bottles of wine and stuck the women with the bill, she said. The next time the women heard from Cain was Christmas, when he sent them his gospel CD.
Sexual harrassment is one thing; sticking them with a $800 dinner bill and mailing them personal gospel CDs?
Jasko
11-08-2011, 03:42 AM
All will be forgiven if he proposes free pizza Fridays.
Lizard_King
11-08-2011, 06:11 AM
Rachel Maddow finally figures it out! (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/05/maddow-cain-pokemon/)
Hilarious. Thanks!
Erik J.
11-08-2011, 06:16 AM
Saw my first "Cain 2012" bumper sticker today on my way into work. Our country is doomed.
Lizard_King
11-08-2011, 07:10 AM
Are you kidding me? I think I'm going to get one.
Erik J.
11-08-2011, 07:27 AM
Are you kidding me? I think I'm going to get one.
You would.
Dan Lawrence
11-08-2011, 07:31 AM
Cain is a really unfortunate name for a person hoping to head the fundamentalist party.
Rasputin
11-08-2011, 08:02 AM
"Cain: He's not able!"
ShivaX
11-08-2011, 08:09 AM
"Cain: He's not able!"
Now I want him to win the nomination just for that sign.
jerri blank
11-08-2011, 08:38 AM
Maddow had a long piece last night (http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/08/8689586-the-artist-formerly-known-as-herman-cain) (I think) on Herman Cain as performance art. Pretty compelling theory. It brings in the Pokemon thing along with all his other weirdness (like the 9-9-9 tax plan being lifted from The Sims).
Ben Sones
11-08-2011, 08:39 AM
"Cain: He's not able!"
Sort of throws a new light on the "brothers from another mother" comment. Would you want to be Cain's brother?
If Cain murders the Koch brothers I might have to rethink my stance on him.
AlanT
11-08-2011, 11:56 AM
Ugh ugh ugh my boss was just in and mentioned that he thought Cain, though of course reprehensible, certainly knows how to pick fine-looking gals. Ugh, again.
RepoMan
11-08-2011, 12:50 PM
Niiiiiiiiiice. Let's get that man a(nother) job, stat.
jeffd
11-08-2011, 02:26 PM
Why does Herman Cain insist on sometimes referring to himself in the third person?
Cain with no irony: I'm doing this FOR THE CHILDREN.
Anticipating calls to end his presidential run, Mr. Cain declared that "ain’t gonna happen because I’m doing this for the American people and for the children and the grandchildren."
How can you go against America's grandkids, liberal media
Theodore Rex DX
11-08-2011, 04:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMtlAqgvtZ4
Adree
11-08-2011, 05:04 PM
Tim Heidecker throws his support to Cain
http://www.avclub.com/articles/tim-heidecker-released-an-entire-record-about-herm,64861/
AlanT
11-08-2011, 06:07 PM
Niiiiiiiiiice. Let's get that man a(nother) job, stat.
I'm working on it, believe me.
MatthewF
11-08-2011, 06:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMtlAqgvtZ4
Oh god I watched that like 10 times. I'm still laughing.
Hanacker
11-08-2011, 06:22 PM
Had everyone heard of Godfather's Pizza before Cain started running? Apparently they're in every state except mine.
John Reynolds
11-08-2011, 06:25 PM
LOL I was loving Godfather's Pizza in the early 80s as a high school kid. So, yes.
jerri blank
11-08-2011, 06:38 PM
Had everyone heard of Godfather's Pizza before Cain started running? Apparently they're in every state except mine.
In these parts, the only place to get it is convenience stores. I don't know of any actual restaurants still open around here.
Murbella
11-08-2011, 07:09 PM
Godfather's pizza is an older chain that used to be big, but was seemingly annihilated by the superior pizza hut. The republicans should upgrade their pizza ceo to the ceo of pizza hut.
Jasper Phillips
11-08-2011, 07:13 PM
Godfather's pizza is worse than Pizza Sluts? That's pretty crappy.
Jason McCullough
11-08-2011, 07:21 PM
My god, that press conference today (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/11/learning-from-repweiner-the-unfortunate-herman-cain-press-conference/248141/).
There is only one standard by which a mid-scandal press conference succeeds or fails. That is whether reporters (plus political opponents) leave the conference with more leads, loose ends, and unanswered questions than they had when they walked in, or fewer.
By that standard, Cain's event (right, Reuters photo) was a disastrous failure, in that any assignment editor, reporter, or reasoning person has more to wonder about after the conference than any of them did when it began.
How can Cain say, flat out, that he saw Sharon Bialek "for the first time" at her press conference yesterday, if a photo apparently exists of him seeing her at a Tea Party rally recently?
If he's willing to take a lie detector test in "proper" circumstances, what would those be?
When he said that "there will probably be others," what does he mean, and why?
Murbella
11-08-2011, 07:28 PM
http://i.imgur.com/7xNBT.jpg
Cain Lives!
Dawn Falcon
11-08-2011, 10:11 PM
I'm fairly sure Herman Cain isn't a space alien though.
But only fairly sure.
drake113
11-08-2011, 11:07 PM
http://i.imgur.com/7xNBT.jpg
Cain Lives!
Now, there's a guy I'd vote for. At least you'd know what you're getting.
RepoMan
11-08-2011, 11:56 PM
Gad, the dude really has no fucking clue what he is doing!
This thread is the deliveringest thread ever.
Dawn Falcon
11-09-2011, 12:00 AM
Gad, the dude really has no fucking clue what he is doing!
Sure he does. He's selling his book.
W Wiley
11-09-2011, 12:06 AM
Getting strange. I'll sell a lot of bad pizza for that.
Erik J.
11-09-2011, 06:17 AM
Wow. The build-up to Cain's explosion is pretty impressive. "There will probably be more, you know...something like...36 more...from my recolle....I mean... gold-diggers!"
Bahimiron
11-09-2011, 06:22 AM
In no way is Godfather's worse than Pizza Hut. Not that this means Godfather's is any good. I assumed it was mostly a midwestern chain since they're based out of Omaha, but they're actually found in 39 states. How 'bout that. When I lived in Omaha I used to know Will Koll who played the original Godfadda. "Da goods is in da box!" Oh, celebrity.
Lizard_King
11-09-2011, 06:23 AM
My god, that press conference today (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/11/learning-from-repweiner-the-unfortunate-herman-cain-press-conference/248141/).
The only question which seems easy to answer without considering the Cain factor is "If they were baseless, why did the NRA pay out so much money?".
From my understanding, settling is par for the course in these cases, and not an indicator of the merit of the case.
Eilonwy
11-09-2011, 06:29 AM
Hermain Cain accuser works for Obama and she's ugly. (http://hermancainpac.com/2011/11/herman-cain-accuser-karen-kraushaar-works-for-obama-and-she%E2%80%99s-ugly/)
Erik J.
11-09-2011, 06:38 AM
Hermain Cain accuser works for Obama and she's ugly. (http://hermancainpac.com/2011/11/herman-cain-accuser-karen-kraushaar-works-for-obama-and-she%E2%80%99s-ugly/)
The comments are also fantastic.
Bahimiron
11-09-2011, 06:44 AM
Most of the entries submitted by that guy (http://hermancainpac.com/author/mp/) are pretty good.
My favorite has to be "Herman Cain Economic Advisor Rich Lowrie answers ABC News dumb ass questions". Sounds about right!
JeffL
11-09-2011, 07:30 AM
If there were only a couple of these, I'd be more likely to give him the benefit of the doubt. The woman with Alred as her attorney comes across to me as a publicity hound, based on her background and the interviews (the last interview I saw of her, she sounded very rehearsed, and stated "I really don't want to be in the public eye doing this!" and when the interviewer then said "Then why are you doing it?" she quickly looked over at her lawyer and waited before answering; she also had a couple of questions to which her answer was no comment and Alred jumped in to say "The REAL question is blah blah blah.") and her owing the IRS money, etc. One accuser sounds like the kind of serial accuser we've all seen if you work in management for very long, she's sued every company she ever worked for. She reminds me of the lady who worked for me who filed for racial discrimination against me - the accusation was solely based on one comment I made in a lab meeting saying that a mistake the lab had made have given us a real "black mark" on our reputation with marketing ("using black as an term of negativity") and another comment for which I never figured out the negative connotation ("if we can get this account, we'll already be in the black (financially) for the year.") Those were intended to show that I had a pattern of using the term black as a negative which reflected a state of mind. Also, I had given her a "fully meets expectations" review instead of a "Exceeds expectations" review two years in a row, and she contended that it was purely because she was black. The problem was that she was barely in the "fully meets" category. She pulled together other such frivolous stuff (her lawyers did) and tried to simultaneously accuse others at the company (big global company.) Much to my chagrin, our lawyers gave her $10,000 to go away (and leave the company, with a nice separation package) - I was sure that all they had to do was show the evidence to a judge and he'd throw it out in two seconds. But I suppose if I ran for office, I'd have it brought up that I'd been accused of racial bias and the company settled.
That said - if it was only a couple, OK, benefit of the doubt. But it seems - seems - that there are a series of these. I still would like to see the details, but if there is a long term pattern, in my mind the burden of proof then shifts to him. That may not be "fair" - and let's be honest, if this was a Democrat a lot of people here would be much more skeptical - but once you get past a couple, it starts to appear to be a pattern.
BlueJackalope
11-09-2011, 07:36 AM
I'd like to think that these accusations were orchestrated by an insidious Democratic cabal, the ultimate aim is to elevate Cain when they fall apart.
A double reverse Karl Roving a la the Dan Rather Nat'l Guard memo.
But we all know the dummy-crats don't have those kind of evil chops.
JeffL
11-09-2011, 08:13 AM
I'd like to think that these accusations were orchestrated by an insidious Democratic cabal, the ultimate aim is to elevate Cain when they fall apart.
A double reverse Karl Roving a la the Dan Rather Nat'l Guard memo.
But we all know the dummy-crats don't have those kind of evil chops.
My guess, and it's obviously purely a guess, is that there is no Democratic hand in this. It's way too early, you'd wait until he was the nominee, and I think Obama would much rather go up against Cain than Romney.
This will probably be taken wrong, but sexual harassment accusations are very common and if you work long enough and have enough people working for you, it is not unusual to get at least one. I have never had one, I've always been VERY careful (e.g. I always have a window in my office where others can see in if I am having a personnel discussion with a woman, if I am on business travel I go WAY out of my way to never have it be just me and a woman traveling together even if that is the logical arrangement for the meeting, etc. etc.) because I've seen a number of managers hit with total BS accusations. (I have also seen a couple of very justified ones, and even encouraged one woman to file one on a VP who was notorious for that kind of behavior.) A good friend made the mistake of firing a woman who worked for him without anyone else in his office, no window. The HR contact scheduled to be in the room with him had a conflict, and he said no problem, I will give her the news, then walk her over to HR and you guys can go over the HR piece. I asked John if he wanted me to sit in as he gave her the news (she'd had formal warnings, written ones, and the problem was her behavior - she just bullied everyone around her, called people names in meetings, told people who disagreed with her "You'll pay for that, I hope you don't plan to have a long career here," etc.) and he said, nah, the documentation is solid, it will be a short discussion, etc.
So - he gives her the news, you can hear her shouting at him, a few minutes later he opens the door and walks with her over to HR, and the first thing she says to the HR director is "John just told me that if I didn't give him a BJ in the office he was going to fire me, and that's why I'm here." The rest was a nightmare.
I think most people who've been in management a long time have seen less dramatic cases, even cases where the woman (or man) actually feels offended but it is a non-offensive action by both the spirit and the letter of the law, but the person is just one of those people who looks for offense. So, like I said, if he had one or two accusations in his history I'd reserve judgement. But once you get to 4 or more, I start wondering. Nothing magic about any given number, obviously.
Tin Wisdom
11-09-2011, 08:26 AM
I'd like to think that these accusations were orchestrated by an insidious Democratic cabal, the ultimate aim is to elevate Cain when they fall apart.
A double reverse Karl Roving a la the Dan Rather Nat'l Guard memo.
OK, that would rock -- let's accuse Cain of something easily disprovable so that he will come out of it looking like the victim and waltz into the nomination!
They'd have to somehow lay out some vague evidence that Romney was behind it. And maybe the Jews... or the Dutch.
But we all know the dummy-crats don't have those kind of evil chops.
Yeah, but it would be fun to live in a world where they did.
Jasper Phillips
11-09-2011, 08:30 AM
I think the Pokepoet joke is up, and I can totally see the GOP actively looking to be rid of him. They certainly have a dirty history of primary smear campaigns, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if their money was behind these allegations. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if they were true either. Or perhaps both.
The Democrats? Definitely not. You don't try to get rid of Cain anymore than you try to get rid of Palin, Bachman, or Santorum. You want him to win.
It'd be funny if BlueJackalope's sly suggestion is on the money, but yeah I just don't think the Democrats are that on the ball.
Menzo
11-09-2011, 11:01 AM
The contention that this is a smear campaign run by Democrats is ludicrous. This is the very definition of an "October Surprise," so any Democrat who was sitting on this info would simply wait for Cain to get the nomination and drop the bomb later. Dropping it now does virtually no good for Dems.
Rightbug
11-09-2011, 12:18 PM
The contention that this is a smear campaign run by Democrats is ludicrous. This is the very definition of an "October Surprise," so any Democrat who was sitting on this info would simply wait for Cain to get the nomination and drop the bomb later. Dropping it now does virtually no good for Dems.
It is clearly and obviously not a Democratic smear campaign but, when you are caught with your hand in the cookie jar, blame the Democrats is your only possible hope of retaining the base.
It's so transparent I'm surprised that it's even worthy of discussion.
I guess "blame Rick Perry" failed.
JeffL
11-09-2011, 12:32 PM
I guess "blame Rick Perry" failed.
"So, Herman, first you were, um, harass, um, against her, then, you, um, um, harassing, um, in your book!, um, pizza, um, um......screw it, hand me a Lone Star, Yahooooooo!"
Mark Asher
11-09-2011, 12:48 PM
The Democrats wouldn't do this to Cain because they'd love him to get the nomination.
RepoMan
11-09-2011, 04:36 PM
The Economist pours on the withering scorn: (http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/11/cain-campaign)
I find, in other words, that this whole issue keeps directing my attention back towards a fundamental problem: I have to share my polity with large numbers of silly people who are not equipped to make reasonable decisions about political issues. Even after Mr Cain loses the nomination, I must live with the awareness that the people who voted for him are out there, waiting to vote for some even more ridiculous clown down the line. I am aware that they feel the same way about me. However, they are wrong, and I am right. As evidence, I present the fact that they say they support Herman Cain for president.
The only thing worse than democracy, after all, is no democracy.
Gus_Smedstad
11-09-2011, 04:53 PM
That's a great quote.
Rasputin
11-10-2011, 10:07 AM
Herman has made a website dedicated to defending* himself against the harassment allegations: www.caintruth.com
You simply must read it. I have no words.
*by which I mean attacking those who come forward. Also: SOFTWARE!
Adam B
11-10-2011, 10:11 AM
Good god, that is awesome.
“When he directly talks about the allegations against him there is no high risk,” said Ward. “It is low risk, which tells me he is being truthful in his conversations to the public.”
I, for one, am convinced.
MatthewF
11-10-2011, 10:13 AM
http://i.imgur.com/TLsDU.jpg
Belongs to category: SPAM SITES
Rasputin
11-10-2011, 10:23 AM
I think it's aimed at people who think CSI is real. "Zoom and enhance on his speech!"
From TPM (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/herman-cain-for-every-person-who-says-i-harassed-them-there-are-thousands-who-say-i-didnt.php):
“For every one person that comes forward with a false accusation, there are probably thousands who will say that none of that sort of activity ever came from Herman Cain,” Cain said, referring to himself in the third person, as is his custom lately.
Herman Cain 2012: There Are Literally Thousands Of Women I Didn't Molest
RepoMan
11-10-2011, 11:33 AM
Mike Tyson makes a spoof Hermain Cain campaign commercial. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usNhDwc7azg)
I LOLed and winced and LOLed again. WHAT AN EXCELLENT CAMPAIGN YEAR THIS IS TO BE A DEMOCRAT!
AlanQ
11-10-2011, 11:41 AM
Oh my god that rules. 361 days until the election, gonna be a hell of a year.
MatthewF
11-10-2011, 11:49 AM
Mike Tyson makes a spoof Hermain Cain campaign commercial. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usNhDwc7azg)
I LOLed and winced and LOLed again. WHAT AN EXCELLENT CAMPAIGN YEAR THIS IS TO BE A DEMOCRAT!
Oh wow. CAINCAINCAINCAINCAIN
RepoMan
11-10-2011, 11:55 AM
He's exactly right too, the Tea Party does love crazy more than they hate blacks.
Rasputin
11-10-2011, 11:59 AM
He stole my "Cain is able" line!
Jasper Phillips
11-10-2011, 12:17 PM
Hahaha. Too funny.
Adam B
11-10-2011, 12:23 PM
Mike Tyson makes a spoof Hermain Cain campaign commercial. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usNhDwc7azg)
I LOLed and winced and LOLed again. WHAT AN EXCELLENT CAMPAIGN YEAR THIS IS TO BE A DEMOCRAT!
This is the best thing.
Mike O'Malley
11-10-2011, 12:37 PM
That is insanely funny.
Woolen Horde
11-10-2011, 12:43 PM
Man, first The Hangovers, now this. Mike Tyson, comedian. Who the fuck saw that coming?
Aleck
11-10-2011, 12:49 PM
The Tyson ad left me speechless. Holy crap!
Erik J.
11-10-2011, 12:51 PM
Wow. Good delivery and everything.
MatthewF
11-10-2011, 01:19 PM
Wow. Good delivery and everything.
Not only that, but he completely nailed the creepy smile at the end.
Rightbug
11-10-2011, 01:31 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/herman-cain-for-every-person-who-says-i-harassed-them-there-are-thousands-who-say-i-didnt.php
So, statistically speaking, it is unlikely that Cain will molest me.
Ben Sones
11-10-2011, 01:38 PM
Well, not necessarily. Cain says that there are thousands of unmolested people out there for every person who says that they were molested by him, but he doesn't speak to the silent majority that have kept quiet about it.
John Many Jars
11-10-2011, 01:49 PM
They did a great job concealing Tyson's face tattoo.
MatthewF
11-10-2011, 01:50 PM
Oh my god, they did another one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=732AjEj_RYU&NR=1) with Tyson! Bonus: they spoofed the other candidates too. Make sure you watch until the end.
Murbella
11-10-2011, 02:22 PM
CAINCAINCAINCAINCAINCAINCAINCAINCAINCAINCAINCAINCA INCAINCAINCAINCAINCAINCAINCAIN
Hans Lauring
11-10-2011, 02:35 PM
Man, first The Hangovers, now this. Mike Tyson, comedian. Who the fuck saw that coming?
He was also great on the Charlie Sheen roast.
Canuck
11-11-2011, 12:07 AM
Those videos have been taken down-anywhere else I can see them?
Talisker
11-11-2011, 01:21 AM
Those videos have been taken down-anywhere else I can see them?
I don't have URLs handy, but they're on funnyordie.com.
Bahimiron
11-11-2011, 06:13 AM
He was also great on the Charlie Sheen roast.
Other people on the roast were explicitly told they weren't allowed to make jokes about Mike Tyson's rape career.
Boo.
mrmolecule88
11-11-2011, 09:04 AM
"How do you beat Obama? Beat him with a Cain!" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/herman-cain-obama-beat-him-with-a-cain_n_1087026.html)
Hans Lauring
11-11-2011, 09:18 AM
Other people on the roast were explicitly told they weren't allowed to make jokes about Mike Tyson's rape career.
Boo.
Yeah, boo. I didn't know that.
But come to think of it, it's not really funny. If he's innocent it's not funny for him... or any real rape victims. If he did it, it's REALLY not funny for his victim(s?).
But I really don't know enough about him or the case. Should I hate him? I totally can.
Rasputin
11-11-2011, 09:41 AM
Other people on the roast were explicitly told they weren't allowed to make jokes about Mike Tyson's rape career.
Boo.
Honestly, it would take some balls to crack wise about that when he's within murder/death/kill range anyway.
Mark Asher
11-11-2011, 09:50 AM
Cain's on top of another poll, I think the CBS poll. He's got 18%. Even crazier is Newt with 15%. Gringrich doesn't even really have a campaign staff, does he?
KWhit
11-11-2011, 10:12 AM
Republicans really don't like Mormons, do they?
Timex
11-11-2011, 10:16 AM
I think other folks have pointed out... democrats don't tend to like them either.
charmtrap
11-11-2011, 10:38 AM
That Prop. 8 debacle really did a number on Mormon popularity among progressives. You had a situation where the leadership of a church was openly encouraging a campaign against same-sex marriage. Mormonism is viewed especially badly among the 18-29 age group too.
Dawn Falcon
11-11-2011, 11:34 AM
Gringrich doesn't even really have a campaign staff, does he?
Neither does Cain. I'd bet on him being surprised at his current position.
Adam B
11-11-2011, 12:57 PM
That Prop. 8 debacle really did a number on Mormon popularity among progressives. You had a situation where the leadership of a church was openly encouraging a campaign against same-sex marriage. Mormonism is viewed especially badly among the 18-29 age group too.
That has a whole lot of bearing on the Republican primary, no? ;)
Enidigm
11-11-2011, 01:08 PM
Cain's on top of another poll, I think the CBS poll. He's got 18%. Even crazier is Newt with 15%. Gringrich doesn't even really have a campaign staff, does he?
If Gingrich sat down and thought about it for a bit he probably could have a solid chance to win the nomination at this point, as he's would be the last man standing in a field of candidates trying as hard as they can to outdo each other in flunking out of the race.
The Mad Hatter
11-11-2011, 01:18 PM
Gingrich as the nominee would be fun to watch, if nothing else. Obama would smash him though. Romney is the only one with a shot.
Timex
11-11-2011, 01:43 PM
Huntsman would beat Obama, I think.
Flowers
11-11-2011, 01:53 PM
Gingrich as the nominee would be fun to watch, if nothing else. Obama would smash him though. Romney is the only one with a shot.
Romney's gonna get flipped for his flops. He never should have backed off on Romneycare. He should have extended a middle finger that shined like Heaven on the Hill as he proclaimed that he can provide more benefits than a Democrat for less than a Republican. People tend to like outside the box thinkers that take substantial steps to solve overarching societal problems, and it reflects poorly on him that he backed off his own indie cred.
Murbella
11-11-2011, 05:05 PM
Romney's gonna get flipped for his flops. He never should have backed off on Romneycare. He should have extended a middle finger that shined like Heaven on the Hill as he proclaimed that he can provide more benefits than a Democrat for less than a Republican. People tend to like outside the box thinkers that take substantial steps to solve overarching societal problems, and it reflects poorly on him that he backed off his own indie cred.
Yes, this might work well in a fight against Obama, but in the republican primaries this is akin to hitting on men in public restrooms for gay sex (i.e. it kills your campaign damn fast). This is the CONSERVATIVE party after all.
It is absolutely impossible for a candidate to make it through the republican primaries without bending knee and taking up the party line at least for the primaries. It doesn't matter if he thinks differently or he said differently in the past, he needs to play the game to have a chance to win.
After he wins the primary he can worry about appealing to mainstream voters and trying to make his flip flopping look like a minor thing. If he doesn't even win the primaries though, his numbers against Obama don't mean squat.
Theodore Rex DX
11-14-2011, 07:58 PM
@AndrewNBCNews
When I asked Cain if today's Libya gaffe builds on idea he doesn't have in depth knowledge of foreign policy, he simply said, "999"
Later:
@AndrewNBCNews
To clarify: My previous tweet was NOT a joke.
kekeke
Valentine
11-14-2011, 09:44 PM
Andrew Rafferty, former Meet the Press staffer NBC News 2012 Presidential Election embedded reporter answers the hard hitting questions
@AndrewNBCNews Andrew Rafferty
@
@nachofiesta at the time he began to rise, he was shaking a lot of hands.
From "nacho fiesta"
We live in possibly the stupidest age ever
Mark Asher
11-14-2011, 10:23 PM
Andrew Rafferty, former Meet the Press staffer NBC News 2012 Presidential Election embedded reporter answers the hard hitting questions
From "nacho fiesta"
We live in possibly the stupidest age ever
Because people have silly pseudonyms?
Adam B
11-15-2011, 06:50 AM
I would strongly consider voting for the Nacho Party.
Calistas
11-15-2011, 11:58 AM
I would too if they had some sort of plan involving the repetition of a number three times. That would be good, common sense, policy!
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