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Machfive
10-19-2003, 11:30 PM
Okay, I've been dealing with a problem that has been a thorn in my side for aeons. Using every ounce of my geek mana, I have not been able to solve the problem. Neither have numerous PC Tech buddies. I'm resorting to forum posts as a last resort, because I've pretty much given up hope of ever solving this problem. I'm beginning to suspect gremlins in my electrical outlets, but I'll let you guys be the judges.

I have two PCs in my house. The first is mine. The second is my family's. Since we got broadband in '00, they've been networked. File and print sharing worked perfectly fine, for a while. At the time, they were running to a 5 port switch, which jacked into our cable modem. My machine was running ME, and eventually XP, and theirs was running ME.

And it was good.

Until something went wrong.

At some point, many smoothly operating months later, the network just stopped functioning. Mind you, the cable access to both machines was fine, and I can ping the each machine by IP. But file and print sharing, though installed, though no reconfigurations had occured, just up and died.

After a month of swapping cable, trying multiple other switches, and swapping NICs, I resolved to get a 2nd XP license. I reformatted the family computer (We'll call it B from now on), set everything up, workgroup, etc.

And nothing. Same problem. Perfect net access, can ping via IP, can't file or printer share.

It's been about 2 years since then, and this problem drives me nuts because, due to space restraints, I can't hook the printer up to my computer, it needs to be at B's desk.

So every time I need to print something off the web, I need to run over to the machine, launch AIM, send the URL, and print from there. Hank forbid I have to print a document, in which case I either have to either upload it to my FTP, burn it to CD, copy it to my thumbdrive, or transfer the file via AIM (which, interestingly enough, happens at the speed of light. An 8 meg image flies across at the threshold of my 10/100 connection).

About 6 months ago, hoping the problem may have been every switch, cable, and NIC I tried, I scrapped a lot of stuff, got a mainboard with on-board NIC for my machine, got B a new NIC, bought a wireless router, and replaced every inch of cable. Which, let me tell you, was a bitch. I'd forgotten what a chore it was to run 50 feet of CAT-5 through a bunch of ceiling tiles.

And yet, the problem persisted. I reformatted and reinstalled both machines. And the problem persisted.

And then about 2 months ago, it mutated.

Suddenly, without warning, without any reconfiguration on my part, I can see the shares of directories that existed on my computer while on B. BUT - I cannot see shares that exist on B from my computer. Hence, I still cannot PRINT from my computer.

I would love it if the situation were reversed, because the users of B have no need to see my shares; I could merely drag and drop files into THEIR shares when necessary. But alas, no. My computer is essentially blind to B's existence.

So I ask you - What the fuck could possibly be the root of these problems? I've pretty much ruled out any possibility of hardware being the factor, but I've also gone over every network setting a billion and a half times and tried hundreds of permutations of their configuations to no avail whatsoever.

In short - HELP.

Jason McCullough
10-20-2003, 12:38 AM
"Upgrade to XP on both computers" is the ass recommendation, but that'll probably fix it. I had no end of transient network issues with 98.

DrCrypt
10-20-2003, 01:39 AM
I dunno if this is the problem, but on a Win98 machine trying to network to a 2000 machine, I had to set up a user on the 2000 machine with the exact same account name as on my Win98 machine before file and print sharing would work.

Brad Grenz
10-20-2003, 01:42 AM
"Upgrade to XP on both computers" is the ass recommendation, but that'll probably fix it. I had no end of transient network issues with 98.


After a month of swapping cable, trying multiple other switches, and swapping NICs, I resolved to get a 2nd XP license. I reformatted the family computer (We'll call it B from now on), set everything up, workgroup, etc.

And nothing. Same problem. Perfect net access, can ping via IP, can't file or printer share.

Machfive
10-20-2003, 06:21 AM
Brad, thanks for pointing that out.

Actually, come to think of it, the problems didn't start while there was one XP machine and one ME machine.

Now that my memory is working, what actually happened was that everything worked perfect under ME/XP, but their computer was exhibiting signs of OS rot, so I reformatted and replaced ME with XP. It worked perfectly fine under XP for something like a month, THEN went to hell in a handbasket.

Gordon Berg
10-20-2003, 06:34 AM
Are these now XP Pro or Home machines, or a mix of both?

Gordon Berg
10-20-2003, 06:42 AM
And this is a good site to make sure you've got the basics covered. Pay particular attention to the "Classic File Sharing" vs "Simple File Sharing" issue.

http://www.michna.com/kb/WxNetwork.htm

Machfive
10-20-2003, 06:54 AM
Are these now XP Pro or Home machines, or a mix of both?

Both are Pro.

In the past, I tried using simple file sharing, I tried using whatever the non-simple version is called. Nothing ever worked.

I'll be sure to run over the info in that website when I get a chance. Thanks for the info man.

Machfive
10-20-2003, 07:17 AM
Oh, now, at this point, I can see computer B on the network, but I can't see what it has shared.

When I browse to it in "View Workgroup Computers," and try double-clicking on it, I get the following error message:


\\Familycomp is not accesible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions.

Logon failure: The user has not been granted the requested logon type at this computer.

This really drives me nuts, because I AM THE SYS ADMIN FOR THIS NETWORK.

Ugh.

Machfive
10-20-2003, 07:41 AM
Okay, thanks for the help guys. I managed to find any answer finally.

http://www.computing.net/networking/wwwboard/forum/16479.html

Machine B, somehow, had absolutely NO ONE listed in the "Access this computer from the network" area. Don't ask me how, but they all got removed. I simply added Administrators, close the dialog, ran back to my machine, and suddenly, I was viewing shared folders! I was printing! GLORIOUS!

My 2 year odyssey ends with one, simple, motherfucking word, placed in the right location. Ugh.

Bull
10-20-2003, 07:45 AM
This really drives me nuts, because I AM THE SYS ADMIN FOR THIS NETWORK.

Great quote. :)

You just need to add an account on the family computer for the person who is trying to log on. Whatever logon account you're using on your computer, needs to be added to the family computer.

Jason McCullough
10-20-2003, 11:45 AM
That's fucked up.

Machfive
10-20-2003, 11:48 AM
This really drives me nuts, because I AM THE SYS ADMIN FOR THIS NETWORK.

Great quote. :)

You just need to add an account on the family computer for the person who is trying to log on. Whatever logon account you're using on your computer, needs to be added to the family computer.

Yeah, I resolved that portion a long time ago; I've had the same account name on both computers since the beginning.

As it turns out, all it came down to was the fact that SOMEHOW, I don't know how, the "Access this computer from the network" section of privilidges was empty on Computer B.

Which makes sense; Computer B could see Computer A and access its files; Computer A could see computer B but wasn't able to access its files.

All I had to do was add Administrators into that section and suddenly, voila, it works.

I'm so freaking relieved this is over, finally.

Thanks again for the help, ladies and germs!