Forza 4

[frank austin]

That is fucking great, Ben. Well done.

I've been having problems getting my pictures to upload, but I'll try again.

[Rock8man]

These Top Gear challenges are all really great. Big thanks goes to Jenn for setting a few targets for the rest of us so we can move on from the Reasonably Priced Car challenge.

They do such a great job of matching the right car with the right course. The Lotus Elite on the Top Gear test track? Brilliant. Now THIS is how this track was meant to be run, not in that shitty Kia. Seriously people, try it out. Move on from the Kia. I swear, you'll have more fun in the Lotus.

And then it keeps going like that. NSX-R on the full Suzuka Circuit? Brilliant. I never buy the NSX in games like this. But this is the perfect car for enjoying this track.

Panoz Esperanza on Road Atlanta? Again, brilliant. So much fun. Some cars just bring out the fun in racing around a track much better than others, and they've obviously selected these very carefully.

Tom, if you're reading this, you should be doing these tracks and playing Rival mode instead of spending your time being bored with Career mode. This is really good stuff.

[Jenn]

Early on I went and posted crap times on a bunch of random Rivals because I know how much it helps with farming money and exp and affinity. I also love that I can check Rivals messages through the website, too, when it works. It's too bad I can't keep better track of what my friends are up to that way, but Turn10 could possibly tweak that later once they get things stable.

Despite it being oh-so-wrong, I've used a couple of tracks to carefully beat someone just enough, without beating the guy ahead of them to keep raking it in. I've not spent a dime yet because I figure I'll drop it all chasing the Exclusive Taste achievement (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/forza-motorsport-4/achievement/56930-Exclusive-Taste.html) later.

I'm sure someone will beat my time of 1:42.804 in the Kia, but I had fun setting it and proving a point to Frank ;)

[Cobra]

Looks for QT3R in game and join the club. Someone will accept your membership shortly after. What's your gamertag?

Wendelius

Thanks! GT is: K Zarr Altair. I've found the QT3RClub. I'm just waiting for someone to accept me!

[Harkonis]

I'm sure someone will beat my time of 1:42.804 in the Kia, but I had fun setting it and proving a point to Frank ;)

I beat it awhile ago ;)

1:42:561

[Jenn]

Weird. Never got a message.

edit: probably because you're not in Qt3R? That would do it.

[Harkonis]

Weird. Never got a message.

edit: probably because you're not in Qt3R? That would do it.

yep, I'm in the GT one. Where we go faster ;) (just ask CSL!)

[Telefrog]

Yay! I beat Tom!

[Locker K]

Thanks to AMUSIX I'm up and running and applied to the club, gamer tag some piranhas. I should be providing some of the other people near the bottom times to fight with.

[frank austin]

I beat it awhile ago ;)

1:42:561

1:41:962

What was that about going faster, again?

[JeffL]

Ok, for you experts (that's everyone else, since I must be the worst here! LOL!) - I'm going to gradually start turning assists off. Right now I use assisted braking and auto transmission. Which would you turn off first to get better times? (I'm only going to do one at a time until I'm comfortable with the one I turn off, then go after the next one.) So - go with turning off the assisted braking first, or the manual (non-clutch) transmission first?

Thanks

[Manresa]

Ok, for you experts (that's everyone else, since I must be the worst here! LOL!) - I'm going to gradually start turning assists off. Right now I use assisted braking and auto transmission. Which would you turn off first to get better times? (I'm only going to do one at a time until I'm comfortable with the one I turn off, then go after the next one.) So - go with turning off the assisted braking first, or the manual (non-clutch) transmission first?

Thanks

I'd just turn off everything. I suspect driving with aids just teaches bad habits.

[Fishbreath]

Ok, for you experts (that's everyone else, since I must be the worst here! LOL!) - I'm going to gradually start turning assists off. Right now I use assisted braking and auto transmission. Which would you turn off first to get better times? (I'm only going to do one at a time until I'm comfortable with the one I turn off, then go after the next one.) So - go with turning off the assisted braking first, or the manual (non-clutch) transmission first?

Thanks

Assisted braking is almost certainly giving you worse habits than the automatic transmission.

[AMUSIX]

Ok, for you experts (that's everyone else, since I must be the worst here! LOL!) - I'm going to gradually start turning assists off. Right now I use assisted braking and auto transmission. Which would you turn off first to get better times? (I'm only going to do one at a time until I'm comfortable with the one I turn off, then go after the next one.) So - go with turning off the assisted braking first, or the manual (non-clutch) transmission first?

Thanks

For better times, shut off assisted braking first, change it to ABS. Honestly, I don't understand why people turn off ABS completely, since most of the cars we're using in the game are equipped with it.

Yes, going with manual will eventually get you faster times, but you'll notice much slower laps when you first change over. In over a decade of sim racers, I still haven't graduated to manual, simply because I can't feel the car (which is how I handle shifting when I'm on a real track). In-game, I guess people go with just the sound, which seems like it'd change from car to car.

[JeffL]

I drive manual transmissions (my current fun car is a 2002 Miata LE, 6 speed manual - in the past I've had all manuals other than the "family" cars: 1965 Ford Mustang, 1968 Plymouth Road Runner (I was SO hoping that bad boy would be in Forza 4!) and a 1978 Supra.) I agree, I tend to shift based on feel and sound.

I'll start by going to ABS and leave transmission on auto. Heading to Rivals (I'm schaduwbeeld, I'll be at the bottom of the rivals board) and learn there. ;)

[Harkonis]

1:41:962

What was that about going faster, again?

1:41:776, that's about going faster, again

I sent you a FR btw

[Harkonis]

I'd just turn off everything. I suspect driving with aids just teaches bad habits.

This is very correct. It's going to be much harder to unlearn what you learn using assists than it will be to learn racing without them in the first place.

Assisted braking is truly awful for teaching bad habits as well.

[Harkonis]

For better times, shut off assisted braking first, change it to ABS. Honestly, I don't understand why people turn off ABS completely, since most of the cars we're using in the game are equipped with it.

Yes, going with manual will eventually get you faster times, but you'll notice much slower laps when you first change over. In over a decade of sim racers, I still haven't graduated to manual, simply because I can't feel the car (which is how I handle shifting when I'm on a real track). In-game, I guess people go with just the sound, which seems like it'd change from car to car.\

most of the cars come with ABS, but when people want to squeeze more performance out of them they turn it off. Same with TCS, a lot of these cars have it in real life, but you can turn better laps with it off once you know how.

[Jenn]

Assisted braking is hilarious in any racing game. You can basically never lift throttle the whole way around. Double plus fun if the game has assisted steering to go with it!

[Kryten]

Rivals is too much fun. I earned more than 90k from one challenge last night. More times, people! Those 10 million dollar cars don't just appear in your garage by magic, you know!

[divorced]

Can you be in more than one car club? I'm in the Gamers With Jobs one but want to be in this one too.

[AMUSIX]

Unfortunately, you can only be in one club at a time....

[Reemul]

There is also a Gaming Trend club which has 20+ members, as we can only be in 1 club at a time maybe we need to ensure both clubs are all friended as that will really increase the rivals times giving even more challenge and a chance to earn extra credits. As rivals isn't just clubs but friends as well.

[Reemul]

I have sent a fair few friend requests out in case you don't recognise it, it's from me!!!!

[Eric Majkut]

So what is the point of money in this game? I have a fortune built up and nothing to spend it on. It keeps handing me cars for free left and right, and most of the manufacturers are highly discounted or free already... I'm sort of missing that feeling of progression you got in the previous games. Buying a shitty car, racing the hell out of it so you can afford some incremental upgrades, then building it up to the top. In one weekend of playing (maybe 10 hours or so) I already feel like I have a ridiculous garage full of cars and that there's not much else for me to get. It would take me ages to customize and tune the cars I already have, no point in buying more.

Also, the free cars / worthless money aspect sorta ruins the marketplace for me too.

[Fishbreath]

Assisted braking is hilarious in any racing game. You can basically never lift throttle the whole way around. Double plus fun if the game has assisted steering to go with it!

IIRC, Grand Prix 2 had both of these, way back in the day. Made me feel like a much better driver than I actually was.

[Telefrog]

So what is the point of money in this game?

I don't know. It keeps you from buying the high-end cars until at least driver level 5 or so.

[Ben Sones]

I think the problem is that there are two schools of thought WRT campaigns in racing games, and the one that includes all the hardcore racing gamers holds that unlocks suck, and any campaign that keeps you out of the seat of whatever car you want to drive the moment you start playing the game is a bad one. Forza 4 is a bit of a compromise between people that want everything unlocked from the start so that they can get online and start racing, and people that like a campaign with meaningful rewards and a sense of progression. I think it's skewed a bit more towards the former crowd, though.

Two things that large quantities of cash can get you: custom paint jobs and rare cars.

[Reemul]

I have a million in credits and the car rewards are great, however once I get to level 50 I will be buying my favourite c ars of all time that aren't in the rewards. I mean not every car I really want is a reward choice,

Some cars I take as a reward due to the value of them even though others are a more favourite choice knowing that in the future I can afford to buy them.

Also it's nice to have some cash to buy designs and tuning stuff if i want to rather than have to grind races just to buy something.

You could also sell some of the cars you never use giving your garage some space. Personally i'd like an option to create my own garages where I could keep my favourite cars in or all by class etc rather than just have a big long line of them.

[Ben Sones]

Actually, if they just gave you the ability to tag certain cars as favorites, and then let you toggle between all cars and favorites, I'd be happy. They already let you filter your garage by class, but sometimes you can have a bunch of cars in a class.

[Fugitive]

Actually, if they just gave you the ability to tag certain cars as favorites, and then let you toggle between all cars and favorites, I'd be happy. They already let you filter your garage by class, but sometimes you can have a bunch of cars in a class.

They used to let you tag cars as favourites back in Forza 2, but it's been missing since then for reasons unknown. I miss it too, as an indicator of which cars were actually viable in their class as opposed to the other untuned and failed experiment ones.

[Rock8man]

In case you haven't hit level 30 yet (spoilers for level rewards, I guess), you should check the Auction House for very cheap Ferrari 330 P4's - you can buy the car "at retail" in game for 9 Million, take it as the reward at level 30 in favour of the 5 Million dollar Shelby Daytona, or pay 400,000 in the AH for the Ferrari and get the Daytona as well when you hit 30 (my choice!).

I spent 1,000,000 credits (2/3rds of the money I've earned so far!) to get the 330 P4 Ferrari (from the auction house) right before I hit 30, based on this advice. What you didn't tell me is that the 3rd choice in that reward is the freakin' GT40 Mk II! That's the car I really wanted out of that bunch. Damn it. But I got the Shelby as the reward. Maybe I can pick up the GT40 Mk II for relatively cheap myself. We'll see. If it's expensive, I'm coming after you Kryten.

[Eric Majkut]

What are these "rare" cars that you speak of? How can they be rare if all you have to do is go buy one from the unlimited supply?

[Reemul]

What are these "rare" cars that you speak of? How can they be rare if all you have to do is go buy one from the unlimited supply?

Unicorn Cars

[Ben Sones]

What are these "rare" cars that you speak of? How can they be rare if all you have to do is go buy one from the unlimited supply?

Not all cars have unlimited availability. As Reemul said, the Forza games feature rare "unicorn cars," which cannot be purchased normally or earned through regular play. They are sometimes offered as prizes in community events, or the Forza team sometimes throws one up on the auction house.

[Kryten]

I spent 1,000,000 credits (2/3rds of the money I've earned so far!) to get the 330 P4 Ferrari (from the auction house) right before I hit 30, based on this advice. What you didn't tell me is that the 3rd choice in that reward is the freakin' GT40 Mk II! That's the car I really wanted out of that bunch. Damn it. But I got the Shelby as the reward. Maybe I can pick up the GT40 Mk II for relatively cheap myself. We'll see. If it's expensive, I'm coming after you Kryten.

Sorry mate - didn't mean to upset the apple cart! Here's the prices of the 3 cars you'e offered at level 30:

1965 Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe - 5,000,000
1966 Ford GT40 MkII - 1,500,000
1967 Ferrari 330 P4 - 9,000,000

You need the 330 P4 for a Ferrari achievement and you need both the 330 P4 and the Daytona for another achievement. Last time I checked the GT40 Mk II is USELESS AND I DON'T LIKE THE CARS YOU LIKE :)

[Ben Sones]

That is fucking great, Ben. Well done.

Thanks! My next car design will be 20% cooler, though...

[Jason Cross]

I'm loving rivals mode. I think it really is the big new thing that Forza 4 brings to the table. Still spendings lots of time on career mode, though. At least for now.

I have a question for the Forza experts. About how "clean laps" are calculated.
From what I can find, to get a clean lap you need to:
- Not draft other cars (it seems to give you a second or two leeway)
- Don't ever go off the track
- don't use the rewind function
- don't touch another car, no matter whose fault it is, even to the slightest degree (this one, I wish they'd work on. If some other car just barely touches me, so much so that I don't even notice, my lap is ruined).

I'm still getting lots of unqualified laps that I can't figure out why. I wish there was more visibility into it.

Example:

It's a 3-lap race. Lap 1, I try not to touch anyone and pass clean but a trade paint a couple times. It's really very, very minor. The little "bang" (!) appears next to my lap time and I have a dirty lap. Fair enough.

By the time I pass the finish line to start lap 2, I'm in the lead. I have been for a few turns, and I've stayed on the track. The very instant I pass the line, my new lap starts off with a (!) right from the beginning. My question: why?

Lap 3. I've raced all around lap 2 without ever rewinding or going off course, and I'm not near the other cars anymore. It's a totally clean lap, but of course it's been marked "dirty" from the moment I crossed the line. Most of the time, I cross the line going to lap 3 and I get the (!) again right from the start. Sometimes, I don't, and I get an opportunity to put in a clean lap time. Why? What's the difference. I've been racing clean since the middle of the first lap, why would it ever start me off with a dirty lap from the first millisecond I cross the line?

I thought it was supposed to be that you had to drive clean on the last section of the lap in order to start off with a clean lap. So if I went off the course or something since the last "split" on the lap, I can expect to start a new lap with the dirty lap marker. I get that. But there are lots of times when I'm racing totally clean for at least a couple sections before the start - sometimes the whole lap - and I don't get a clean new lap.

[Kryten]

I've started using 50% as the marker for having to drive the lap clean in order to start the subsequent lap as clean, which doesn't work on smaller tracks (like the Top Gear circuit), so mostly I've resigned myself to having to drive two clean laps in a row.

The Nurburgring super car Rival event was driving me batshit last night. I ended up driving a 2.46 vs an actual lap time of 2.16 or so, just avoiding the dumbass AI. I understand that they're in million dollar vehicles and they don't want to drive them fast, but goddamn it stop turning into me after I've passed you!

[AMUSIX]

On clean laps:

First, they are really designed to compare true hot-laps, so absolutely nothing that could possibly improve your laptime can happen. Which means no touching cars or walls or going off the track. No drafting, or, even, no being drafted on (hooray for real air physics). It also means you can't have unnatural speed starting the lap, so cutting a turn or two before the end of the previous lap will disqualify the next one.

[Sander 001]

The very instant I pass the line, my new lap starts off with a (!) right from the beginning. My question: why?I think it's a glitch. I've read this in other forums.

[Harkonis]

I think it's a glitch. I've read this in other forums.

I don't think it's a glitch, I think it's how it was described above. If you dirty the previous lap near the end in a way to get an unfair start on the next lap, the next lap is also dirty as it should be.

[Telefrog]

Behold! The Quarter to Three Toyota Trueno!

http://i55.tinypic.com/zuh5i9.jpg

I made the logo from scratch. (I know someone made one in Forza 3, but I either didn't keep it or it didn't transfer over.) I'm selling the vinyl in my Storefront. Hint hint!

[Reemul]

I don't think it's a glitch, I think it's how it was described above. If you dirty the previous lap near the end in a way to get an unfair start on the next lap, the next lap is also dirty as it should be.


I read somewhere that it is the last 3rd of the previous lap that must be clean otherwise the next lap is stuffed as well.

[Harkonis]

Behold! The Quarter to Three Toyota Trueno!



I made the logo from scratch. (I know someone made one in Forza 3, but I either didn't keep it or it didn't transfer over.) I'm selling the vinyl in my Storefront. Hint hint!

If you were selling it unlocked, I would buy one. As it is now, locked vinyls aren't much use to me because I can't put them in the club garage! ;)

[Ben Sones]

Very nice! But why a Trueno? Isn't the Honda Fit the official car of Qt3?

[Eric Majkut]

Is there any way to do a Rivals type mode on any map I want? The challenges are neat but I'd like to be able to have friends' ghost cars and lap times and stuff for any track I choose. The Nurburgring Nordschleife, for example. A friend and I were always comparing lap times on that track in Forza 3, but I'm not sure that it's as seamless in 4. Am I just being a tard and missing a menu option somewhere?

[Telefrog]

If you were selling it unlocked, I would buy one. As it is now, locked vinyls aren't much use to me because I can't put them in the club garage! ;)

How do I unlock it?

[Rock8man]

Is there any way to do a Rivals type mode on any map I want? The challenges are neat but I'd like to be able to have friends' ghost cars and lap times and stuff for any track I choose. The Nurburgring Nordschleife, for example. A friend and I were always comparing lap times on that track in Forza 3, but I'm not sure that it's as seamless in 4. Am I just being a tard and missing a menu option somewhere?

Go to Leaderboards, then instead of selecting Rivals (where you can only choose the track they've chosen for a particular event), go down one and select "Circuit", and then choose the car class you're interested in racing, and then track. You can select any of the tracks in the whole game. Then select "Launch Race" at the top of the leaderboard listing. Now you can select a car within the class you chose (including from your garage or the club garage, thank you Qt3 Racing Club, for whoever put the Delorean in there) and then start your lap. As you do the race, your best ghost will be shown in subsequent laps, which can help you improve your times.

[MonkeyPunky]

I love the Rivals mode!
Check out my fancy CTS-V
http://forzamotorsport.net/Handlers/GetPhoto.ashx?id=1188157&full=true

[divorced]

I love the Rivals mode!
Check out my fancy CTS-V
http://forzamotorsport.net/Handlers/GetPhoto.ashx?id=1188157&full=true

Wow, that is sweet!!

[Union Carbide]

Whenever I start using a new car regularly, I grab a random livery off of the storefront. This is my poor 458 as kitted out for the japanese SuperGT series.
http://i56.tinypic.com/2lt24pe.jpg

[ZekeDMS]

For those of you having hot lap trouble, good news. Rewinds don't count into the next lap. Crashes count extra it seems, so keep that in mind too, especially with other cars!

If you're near the end of a lap and slip out, just rewind it away. You'll still have a dirty lap but you can take that spot again clean, then your next lap won't be tagged from the start.

You can also rewind out of a lap if it's dirty from a mistake at the VERY end and it'll let you start the lap over, clean.

A for effort Telefrog, I've been thinking of doing the same. Then I started working on Dr. Tran and a tapir. You can't sell it to us, though, or we can't put it in the garage, you have to gift it to us.

[Kryten]

Rumour over at GAF is that T10 have started sending out FM4 cars to anyone who completed the pre-order incentive program, any QT3ers gotten new gifts in the last day?

[JeffL]

Rivals question:

I guess I'm a bit slow, I was looking, tonight, for the Rivals races from this weekend and they weren't there. Do these change every week? Who determines conditions, length of time the race is up, etc?

Also - I was looking in the list of Rivals on a race, looking to see who was as lame as me in terms of using assists, and I noticed one category of assists at the far right, where it looked like Tom Chick and I were the only ones using it. What is that? Can't be rewind, right, since I have that turned off yet it shows on this page as fully enabled.

[Kryten]

Sorry Jeff, but the very right hand column is telling you that you dirtied up your lap (crashing into something, cutting corners, that sort of thing). Clean laps always win over dirty laps, irrespective of time, which is how I beat Reemul on Nurburgring and was still 30 seconds slower than his time.

[JeffL]

Sorry Jeff, but the very right hand column is telling you that you dirtied up your lap (crashing into something, cutting corners, that sort of thing). Clean laps always win over dirty laps, irrespective of time, which is how I beat Reemul on Nurburgring and was still 30 seconds slower than his time.

Ah! That is why I beat your time (just barely!) and you still were ahead of me! How much can you miss a turn/run off the road and still be "clean?"

(Thanks - and where can I find this info? I can't find any Forza 4 documentation anywhere!)

[Kryten]

It changes corner by corner on each track - for example, the first corner at Hockenheim you can basically have everything bar the left wheels on the inside of the ripple strip, but other corners don't have as much latitude.....

[ZekeDMS]

It depends on the track, really. Some are more forgiving than others. The general rule is "not the dirt." Tracks with a clearly marked boundary before a wall, too, usually have that as a limit. That's more likely to be an issue on real world tracks (Kaido, the alps, etc.) if memory serves. Usually you can ride a strip without getting dirtied.

[JeffL]

Thanks Kryten. (Are you in New Zealand? Always wanted to go fly fishing there!) I assume that when I see the triangle with the ! in it during a lap, that means I've got a "dirty" lap. Ah, and thus the discussion above on how you don't automatically get a clean lap when you start a new lap after a dirty lap....

Again - how often do the Rivals races change within the club? And who determines the conditions? I worked really hard to try to get and set up a Japanese D class car for the short track rival race from this weekend, then it was gone!

[ZekeDMS]

Nobody knows?

Well, some do say monthly, I don't know how often the rest change, but it's whenever Turn 10 feels like it, I imagine.

[Ben Sones]

Racing is magic.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6174/6262815714_02e3167b20_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6097/6262815782_b83e534a57_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6170/6262291813_00cd4b21a6_b.jpg

[JeffL]

Is there a tutorial somewhere on how to add graphics to cars?

[Ben Sones]

I don't know of any off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are some out there. It's basically a process of using a bunch of vector shapes (circles, squares, a whole bunch of oddball shapes) and arranging them in layers until you have an image. You can scale and rotate and distort the shapes in various ways, but you'll typically have to combine a bunch of them to make complex objects. Just the pony on that car is made from 517 shape layers. I actually only used a small assortment of shapes (circles, an egg shape, teardrops, some lines, and a couple of different crescents). arrange them just so, and viola! You have Rainbow Dash.

[frank austin]

Sones, you are my hero.

[Harkonis]

That pony design is awesome, I would like that on all my cars! :)

[ZekeDMS]

Racing is magic.

Damn, Sones! I've got a few older MLP vinyls, but they're so many layers and they're store bought, so I can't do much with them. I am SOOOOOOOO jealous right now, that's a great RD one, and we all know Rainbow Dash matters most in Forza.

You're really making me feel like I should be busting my ass on some vinyls now that I've got someone else in the club making them.

[MonkeyPunky]

That is awesome, I spent all night on imaginary racing livery for the company I work for, then I come see the PWNY car! It's demoralizing! :)

[VegasRobb]

So, ah is anyone else drawing kick votes for driving DLC cars?

[Harkonis]

So, ah is anyone else drawing kick votes for driving DLC cars?

no, but I do get them for taking an E class car that I downtuned for F ;)

to be fair I almost never play in pub games though. cosmetic damage is just asking for bullshit

[VegasRobb]

Anyone know what's with the Black Boxes in the Club Garage? I see cars in the black boxes, but I can't see what they actually look like.

[MonkeyPunky]

I have the same problem, glad to know it's not just something broken with mine.

[Kryten]

Do you guys have the VIP content at at all, I wonder if it's cars from those packs? The RX-7 I've uploaded is a Unicorn from the pre-order incentive program and the John Cooper Works Mini was the pre-order DLC car that I got, if that helps narrow it down.

I spent too much time last night shamelessly gaming the rivals system by only just beating which ever rival I had at that time, then going on with the next rival etc. The credits kept rolling in, I made back everything and more that I'd spent in the AH. If anyone wants to try it, the Audi S5 Rival event at Hockenheim is the one to try, there's a lot of "latitude" in the current QT3R times on that circuit.

I also made a big change last night to manual gears (I'm still on a controller here), the difference feels seems quite staggering. Being able to hold high revs through a corner rather than have automatic gearbox stay in too high a gear gives the impression of significantly more speed on corner exits, for example. I seriously recommend everyone try it out, at least (apparently moving to manual w/clutch is even faster, but two button presses is awkward).

[Eric Majkut]

If you use the automatic transmission, representative from Turn 10 should come to your house and take your copy of the game away.

[Wendelius]

If you use the automatic transmission, representative from Turn 10 should come to your house and take your copy of the game away.
Let them try. >.<

I only drive manual in real life (ie I don't live in the US :) ) but I really dislike having to use controller buttons to change gears in a game. If I had a full driving wheel, pedals and gear knob set up, I might though (assuming the game gave enough feedback instead of simply an engine sound). Or those cool formula one like buttons behind the wheel along with pedals.

Wendelius

[Ben Sones]

Yeah, same here. I drive manual in real life, and I'd probably do the same if I had pedals and a shift knob. But shifting via the 360's crap-tastic D-pad? No thanks.

Driving in a game already puts you at a disadvantage in a number of ways--you can't feel the car or the road, the narrow POV means that you are effectively driving with blinders on, etc. I'm perfectly fine with using a few assists to balance it out. I turn off the ones that are annoying, like the assisted braking (though I still use ABS). I use sim mechanical and tire damage, and I have rewind turned off. But manual shifting with no pedals and no way to feel where I am on the power curve leaves me cold, so I don't use it.

[Eric Majkut]

Who uses the D-pad to shift? It's X and B, as far as I know. Couldn't be simpler.

[Xaroc]

I drive auto with a controller but manual with a wheel. I am all wheel all the time in Forza 4.

[Union Carbide]

If you're using a controller, you get a pass on automatic transmission. I'm using the controller with automatic transmission at the moment because I'm having a carpal tunnel flareup and my steering wheel (game and real one in my actual car) makes my fingers go numb.

[MonkeyPunky]

Do you guys have the VIP content at at all, I wonder if it's cars from those packs? The RX-7 I've uploaded is a Unicorn from the pre-order incentive program and the John Cooper Works Mini was the pre-order DLC car that I got, if that helps narrow it down.

I've got the DLC from the collector's edition and I can one of the minis, it has a banner that says DLC over it. I can see someone's WRX from the amazon pre order. The ones I can't see are my own 2 uploads a 79 camaro and CTS-V, the pwny and a few others, one of them is a mini.

[Union Carbide]

Go to the Marketplace section of the main menu and redownload anything marked as "purchased". I had entered my codes via the Live website, and not everything downloaded (the VIP pack, for instance)

[Wendelius]

I just turned off all the assists I still used (normal driving, traction control) except for automatic transmission and ABS and I have to say I've been having a lot of fun tonight. I'm playing with the wireless speed wheel and I'm suddenly a lot more in control (and also more prone to zig zagging out of control once in a while). That wheel is really responsive. The lack of traction control makes me pay a lot more attention to how much I accelerate as well.

My times are currently slower than they were before, but it also feels a lot more natural. Not sure I can take long sessions like that though. But I like it!

Wendelius

[Sander 001]

Peh. I use a controller and use manual with clutch, ABS and nothing else. And I'm very close to Harkonis' times.

As for the cars not showing up in the Club garage, I think that's due to lag. Even if it was a DLC car that I don't have, I used to be able to at least see it and would get a message with words to the effect of "we're sorry, that content is exclusive and may not be purchased at the moment."

[JeffL]

Are the servers down??

[Wendelius]

Are the servers down??
They went down and came back up.

Wendelius

[JeffL]

Yep. Had just enough time to move up one rung on one Rival race (which, for me, usually means moving up one from the bottom ;) ) and then get frustrated trying to win another rivals race and being unable to gain 0.1 seconds no matter how many times I tried. :(

[MonkeyPunky]

Here's what I worked on last night:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3682/tcsctsvc6.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4053/tcsctsvc5.jpg
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4504/tcsctsvc1.jpg

[RobotPants]

At first I thought you were copying someone else's design, but then I looked back at the post and it was yours. :)

[MonkeyPunky]

yeah, i built on my original :)

[olaf]

Last racing game I owned was GT3 I think...got this game and the 360 speed wheel. Love the game, really addicting and has a great '1 more <whatever>' pull that keeps you up way too fucking late playing it.

The wheel though...how do you design a controller for a game but not implement all of the controls from the game? The lack of bumpers is truly a WTF. I really would love to hear the MS party line on that one. Lack of the mic plug has to bother a lot of people too.

[Telefrog]

Why do owners of the Fanatec wheel sometimes get no rewards when they finish a race?

http://911wheel.de/?q=node/6992



The Fanatec wheels allow minimal movements of the steering wheel and extreme precise manouvers so that the game apparantly thinks that the user must be cheating as this cannot be achieved by a human.

The better you drive the more often it happens. It is independent from the steering angle but a clean lap is more likely if you use higher sensitivity like 900°. In theory it can happen with a controller or other wheel as well but so far I was not able to proof that because it is hard for me to drive clean without our wheels. ;)

Solution:

1. Make sure that you make at least one drift with countersteering per race

2. Reduce your steering angle to 270° to emulate the MS wheel which makes it harder to drive clean but avoids the issue more likely.

Of course, T10 is working on a patch to solve this issue but it takes time until those things go through all internal testing so please be a little bit patient.


That is quite the goof.

[CSL]

I beat the World Tour last night. The races were a lot less insane than the last game where you'd frequently be racing over 10 laps on long courses and where you'd often be shoehorned into using S-class and above. The longest races were the Championships but otherwise it was mostly 4 or 5 lap races until the very end with a few exceptions sadly there was no big credit bonus for beating the tour but as I've passed driver level 50 I'm getting increasingly large credit bonuses there, something like 120,000 per level right now.

[JeffL]

I spent 1,000,000 credits (2/3rds of the money I've earned so far!) to get the 330 P4 Ferrari (from the auction house) right before I hit 30, based on this advice. What you didn't tell me is that the 3rd choice in that reward is the freakin' GT40 Mk II! That's the car I really wanted out of that bunch. Damn it. But I got the Shelby as the reward. Maybe I can pick up the GT40 Mk II for relatively cheap myself. We'll see. If it's expensive, I'm coming after you Kryten.

Wait - when I lose an auction, I lose my money that I bid also???? I bid for a 330 P4, got outbid (and I can't see a way to just make another bid from the screen, argh.) Did the same for another. Came back and I had lost the money I had bid???? Even though I lost the auctions?

[Kryten]

No - go to the My Bids tab and resolve the auction, you'll get your money back.

[Reemul]

Found this post on the Forza Forums from this guy doing Formula 1 replica paint jobs including older stuff, they look pretty amazing really. Shame there isn't any out and out Formula One cars in it.

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/2/4885110/ShowThread.aspx

[Union Carbide]

Wait - when I lose an auction, I lose my money that I bid also???? I bid for a 330 P4, got outbid (and I can't see a way to just make another bid from the screen, argh.) Did the same for another. Came back and I had lost the money I had bid???? Even though I lost the auctions?

Kryten already pointed out the "return credits" thing but I'd also point out that if you still have enough money in your account when you're at the outbid screen, it will let you bid from there.

[Jenn]

It's still a rather convoluted system. I'm surprised they kept it.

[RobotPants]

Why is there still no thread for pictures? I demand pictures!

[Wendelius]

I started playing with the vinyl editor for the first time yesterday. I was feeling clueless and was about to give up when I put 1 circle inside another and thought: "Hmmm. How about I turn this into an eye?". One thing led to another, and I give you my very first Forza design, the Maboul (French slang for crazy) car:

http://www.gasperazzo.net/images/games/forza/eclipse-maboul-front_ss.jpg (http://www.gasperazzo.net/images/games/forza/eclipse-maboul-front_fullsize.jpg)

http://www.gasperazzo.net/images/games/forza/eclipse-maboul-side_ss.jpg (http://www.gasperazzo.net/images/games/forza/eclipse-maboul-side_fullsize.jpg)

The dog (Bill) is based on a Belgian kids comics series called Boule et Bill and is made of 140 layers. 99% come from the primitives screen. Now I know how people can draw things with a few lines and circles. It's laborious. :)

Wendelius

PS: Dang. It's just past Quarter To Three here. Been a while since a game kept me up that late.

[VegasRobb]

Haven't had a chance to race against the mythical SuperBee. I've only heard about them getting kicked after their first race.

[Union Carbide]

I'm getting the black box cars in the club garage now too, on two cars. The strange thing? They're MY cars.

[Locker K]

Is it possible someone took the cars out of the garage to use? I haven't come across this yet.

[JeffL]

Question on career mode:

I'm doing the world tour, but I'm not sure what the "goal" is. I can't find any listing anywhere of standings of me vs. the AI drivers that are in the circuit in which I am racing - I would have thought that a series would have had rankings, etc.

[Fugitive]

Question on career mode:

I'm doing the world tour, but I'm not sure what the "goal" is. I can't find any listing anywhere of standings of me vs. the AI drivers that are in the circuit in which I am racing - I would have thought that a series would have had rankings, etc.

I think the only time there's any persistent scoring carried between races is when you do the 'championship' events at certain points through each season, and even then it's just two heats. If you want a full race series with persistent scoring, I think you have to go to the Event List and then choose the full championships on the right-hand side of the list.

[JeffL]

I think the only time there's any persistent scoring carried between races is when you do the 'championship' events at certain points through each season, and even then it's just two heats. If you want a full race series with persistent scoring, I think you have to go to the Event List and then choose the full championships on the right-hand side of the list.

Ah, I have never even looked at that list! A whole 'nuther piece of the game to explore (though I must admit Rivals is starting to consume my little bit of play time these days.)

Thanks.

[ZekeDMS]

I've got a black box now on my most recently shared car. It's one I'd been doing vinyl updates on, working on a tron type design for it. When I got to the garage, nothing but a box! I synced it and still nothing, but "view car" works fine, and it's perfectly drivable. But it doesn't show right in the club garage.

Weird.

Okay, there's a lot of cars that way I'm seeing now. Someone's BMW art car, a chevy, etc. Around 15 in total.

[Reemul]

It's a server issue and turn 10 are aware of it, hopefully a fix soon

[Sander 001]

http://forzamotorsport.net/Handlers/GetPhoto.ashx?id=1941071&full=true
http://forzamotorsport.net/Handlers/GetPhoto.ashx?id=1940885&full=true
This is the Lancia 037 Stradale, not very pretty but designed for speed. It's a homologation special, meaning the only reason they built the road cars, was so that the racing cars would be eligible to race. It competed in the legendary Group B category and is the last RWD car to win the World Rally Championship.

It's also a fantastic car in Forz4, right out of the box she handles beautifully. Even though online is several train wrecks per race, it managed to get me a bunch of wins (including 3 in a row) in A Class. The leaderboards in A are crawling with Lotus Exiges but I don't really like them and I noticed this Lancia among the leaders so I decided to try her out. Best Forz4 decision made.

[MonkeyPunky]

Jalopnik has a contest for creating some livery for the Delorean. The winning design will be used by DMC at a SEMA autoshow and the designer will receive some goodies:
http://jalopnik.com/5852591/design-a-delorean-wrap-in-forza-4-and-well-make-it-real

[bmsardou]

Room for a lurker? I'm excited to play this game and online would make it more fun. I find the interface immediately more friendly than GT5 which started to have me pulling my hair out.

My gamertag is Hockosi

[Rock8man]

Room for a lurker? I'm excited to play this game and online would make it more fun. I find the interface immediately more friendly than GT5 which started to have me pulling my hair out.

My gamertag is Hockosi

Welcome to the club! I love this new system. It's so much better than the previous system where everytime a game like this comes out, I had to sit there going through my friends list, and trying to decide who to remove from the friends in favor of people who play <insert game here>. Not having to do that for Forza 4, while still being able to race against everyone at Qt3 has been awesome.

[divorced]

I cannot describe how frustrating it is to always be stuck starting 8th in every single race! This comes danged close to making me want to put this on the shelf. In real races, you can at least qualify in races for a higher starting spot. But in Forza 4, you can't qualify or improve your car to move up. Nothing.

Worst decision ever! Okay, maybe not ever, but it's pretty bad. This just takes it back to the late 80's racing games where you always start in the back. Totally sucks.

[Harkonis]

I cannot describe how frustrating it is to always be stuck starting 8th in every single race! This comes danged close to making me want to put this on the shelf. In real races, you can at least qualify in races for a higher starting spot. But in Forza 4, you can't qualify or improve your car to move up. Nothing.

Worst decision ever! Okay, maybe not ever, but it's pretty bad. This just takes it back to the late 80's racing games where you always start in the back. Totally sucks.

play more multiplayer ;)

[Fugitive]

The November car pack has been revealed (http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/NovemberSpeedPackDLC/?fwlhd=1) and will be out next Tuesday:

2012 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4
2012 Aston Martin Virage
2011 #2 Audi Sport Team Joest R15++ TDI
2011 Audi RS3 Sportback
1957 Chevrolet Bel Air
2012 Dodge Charger SRT8
2011 Ferrari #62 Risi Competizione F458 Italia
2013 Ford Focus ST
1992 GMC Typhoon
2011 Volkswagen Scirocco R

[Telefrog]

Yup. More cars. I'm good with the 500 or so on disc.

[bmsardou]

I dunno, I'll take a go at the 2012 Charger...and the aston...and the lambo..and the ferrari. I'm having a blast with this game. Right now I'm focusing on rival challenges for the Boss at Laguna Seca. I also decided to take a BMW M3 and see what happened if I gave it 900 hp (not pretty). I got the season pass with a random MS points card I've had lying about the last year unused.

[DennyA]

And I'm anxious to see how the 57 Chevy handles.

[ZekeDMS]

Oh god, my family used to have a 57 Bel Air. Metallic black, chrome wheels and caps, only the teeniest of tiniest dents on the trunk, almost invisible. Handled absolutely beautifully. Nice pickup, really responsive, and pretty damn comfortable to boot! When you revved the engine it was like being inside a lion's roar.

It was a very, very sad day when we had to sell her, but I eagerly await picking one up in Forza now.

[bmsardou]

I just topped the club rival mode in the monthly top gear track with my pink Chevy Spark displaying the cutest Forza wing.

I can see the whole rival thing getting addictive. I'm already back and forth on spec laps with a co-worker and it really gets you worked up knowing you're about to win but you can't choke on the last corner...and oops the tires break loose and into the wall I go.

[fuzzyslug]

Last racing game I owned was GT3 I think...got this game and the 360 speed wheel. Love the game, really addicting and has a great '1 more <whatever>' pull that keeps you up way too fucking late playing it.

The wheel though...how do you design a controller for a game but not implement all of the controls from the game? The lack of bumpers is truly a WTF. I really would love to hear the MS party line on that one. Lack of the mic plug has to bother a lot of people too.

The shifters are the bumpers, I believe. The pedals are the throw buttons.

[Harkonis]

The speed wheel has no bumpers, that's the new wheel that's free floating

[jpinard]

I have a few potential ignorant questions and would be happy if anyone wanted to answer them.

1. Was there supposed to be a new wonder-wheel packaged/shipped with Forza 4? I thought I'd read a replacement for the MS steering wheel was due out with this?

2. If you have previous Forza's does it give you extra content? I have Forza 2/3 and was wondering if I should trade them in since I didn't get anywhere with them - but if you get more content in F4 I'd keep them.

3. Does the game show realistic damage now?

4. Those of you with Kinect... does it work pretty well?

My apologies if these were covered earlier in the thread.

[Fugitive]

I have a few potential ignorant questions and would be happy if anyone wanted to answer them.

1. Was there supposed to be a new wonder-wheel packaged/shipped with Forza 4? I thought I'd read a replacement for the MS steering wheel was due out with this?

2. If you have previous Forza's does it give you extra content? I have Forza 2/3 and was wondering if I should trade them in since I didn't get anywhere with them - but if you get more content in F4 I'd keep them.

3. Does the game show realistic damage now?

4. Those of you with Kinect... does it work pretty well?

My apologies if these were covered earlier in the thread.

1. There's...this thing, (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0050SY0L2/) which you just hold in the air. Some people here have reported that it actually works decently enough, but it's not really a full replacement for the previous wheel, either. No pedals, no force feedback, no bumper buttons, no separate shifter... That's about it though, unless you want to get crazy-expensive with the Fanatec wheels.

2. You do get extra content if you have a Forza 3 save on your profile: more starting cars and money, depending on what your driver level was and if you owned any unicorn cars. You don't need the Forza 3 disc though, just the save game.

3. You do see damaged body panels, missing bumpers and wings, and stuff like that. You won't see like your whole front end caved in if you crash hard though, so it depends on what you mean by 'realistic'.

4. No Kinect here, alas.

And is it just me, or have they stopped giving out the daily login credit bonus? Not like 900cr was adding up fast, but I was logging in just to check if it was compounding over time...

[jpinard]

1. There's...this thing, (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0050SY0L2/) which you just hold in the air. Some people here have reported that it actually works decently enough, but it's not really a full replacement for the previous wheel, either. No pedals, no force feedback, no bumper buttons, no separate shifter... That's about it though, unless you want to get crazy-expensive with the Fanatec wheels.

2. You do get extra content if you have a Forza 3 save on your profile: more starting cars and money, depending on what your driver level was and if you owned any unicorn cars. You don't need the Forza 3 disc though, just the save game.

3. You do see damaged body panels, missing bumpers and wings, and stuff like that. You won't see like your whole front end caved in if you crash hard though, so it depends on what you mean by 'realistic'.

4. No Kinect here, alas.

And is it just me, or have they stopped giving out the daily login credit bonus? Not like 900cr was adding up fast, but I was logging in just to check if it was compounding over time...

Thank you Fugitive! This was it! http://www.fanatec.com/ Forxza4 logo all over them. But they aren't available yet? And no prices? Dear me, those wheels look glorious.

Looks like the damage detail you describe is sadly not the level of detail I was hoping they were going to go for. That's pretty much what it was last release right?

[sharaleo]

4. No Kinect here, alas.


Wait, there is Kinect, but not what you may think - if you have Kinect you can have it do head tracking, similar to a TrackIR setup.

I think there was some mixed reports here as to its effectiveness, however...

[Wendelius]

1. There's...this thing, (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0050SY0L2/) which you just hold in the air. Some people here have reported that it actually works decently enough, but it's not really a full replacement for the previous wheel, either. No pedals, no force feedback, no bumper buttons, no separate shifter... That's about it though, unless you want to get crazy-expensive with the Fanatec wheels.
I love the speed wheel and will never use a gamepad to play Forza 4 again. It works really well.

But while I have never owned a full wheel setup, I have to agree this is no replacement for that. It's just an affordable and better alternative to regular gamepad driving.

Wendelius

[MonkeyPunky]

I don't know if something changed with my speed wheel settings or what but it's been almost completely unusable even maneuvering a starter a car. It was great the first few days I had but now the it feels totally inconsistent.

In other news the black boxes in club garage seem to be fixed.

[Ben Sones]

Yeah, the Wireless Speed Wheel is awesome. Is it as good as a full wheel setup? No. But it's a lot better than a controller, is easy to store and has no setup time, and costs a fraction of the price of a decent wheel. If you aren't sure that you play enough racing games to make a high-end wheel worthwhile, then you should definitely check it out. Highly recommended.

[JeffL]

Yeah, the Wireless Speed Wheel is awesome. Is it as good as a full wheel setup? No. But it's a lot better than a controller, is easy to store and has no setup time, and costs a fraction of the price of a decent wheel. If you aren't sure that you play enough racing games to make a high-end wheel worthwhile, then you should definitely check it out. Highly recommended.

Ben, how are you handling menu selection, etc. that uses buttons not on the wheel?

[Ben Sones]

You need to switch to a controller to do tuning and use the paint shop. That's actually my biggest complaint about the wheel (why they left off those shoulder buttons is utterly bewildering), but in the case of Forza 4, it's not a big deal, IMHO. If you do a lot of tuning right before a race, then it will be more of an issue for you, since you have to quit out to the main screen to change controllers. I usually keep my racing and tuning sessions separate, though.

[MonkeyPunky]

I've been switching between controller and wheel, before and after races. Turning the wheel/controller off, then turning the other one on.

What sucks is when I forget to turn one off first and then the controller is bound to player 2!

[Union Carbide]

You need to switch to a controller to do tuning and use the paint shop. That's actually my biggest complaint about the wheel (why they left off those shoulder buttons is utterly bewildering), but in the case of Forza 4, it's not a big deal, IMHO. If you do a lot of tuning right before a race, then it will be more of an issue for you, since you have to quit out to the main screen to change controllers. I usually keep my racing and tuning sessions separate, though.

This actually doesn't change if you have a full wheel, btw. It's actually one of the series' most glaring unresolved issues, going back to the first game.

[VegasRobb]

Have they patched in the vibration for the Speed Wheel?

[olaf]

You need to switch to a controller to do tuning and use the paint shop. That's actually my biggest complaint about the wheel (why they left off those shoulder buttons is utterly bewildering), but in the case of Forza 4, it's not a big deal, IMHO. If you do a lot of tuning right before a race, then it will be more of an issue for you, since you have to quit out to the main screen to change controllers. I usually keep my racing and tuning sessions separate, though.

This actually does not work depending on your config. If you have two controllers on at once you are completely fucked, I am sure you realize that. But if you tune, then turn the gamepad off and turn the speed wheel on...it works but its not detected as the speed wheel, but rather a generic wheel. And if you are used to using the speed wheel set up where D-Pad up is gear change up and D-Pad down is gearchange down, you are fucked since none of the generic wheel control schemes support that. So, you have to quit to the dashboard. Ridiculous. The fact that this controller, designed for Forza 4, could get released w/o hardware bumpers is unfathomable to me.

[ZekeDMS]

The whole speed wheel thing is...so damn odd.

On the one hand, I really love the control it affords. The game's much harder and much easier at the same time with a good wheel. But the limited viability with other games and the weak (maybe there's a way to turn it up?) vibration really hurts it.

The fact that I can't fully use some things like the Autovista without a controller (or a kinect?) bugs me more. So does the fact I can't have a controller and speed while connected at once, as it turns it into a full wheel. So I have to head back to the main menu entirely if I want to do anything but race, even checking mail is a bit of a pain.

Hopefully Turn 10 will patch in alternate control schemes for the wheel, so I can see my telemetry data (or at least the quick data for tire heat and damage). I'm only using up/down on the wheel as is, maybe those buttons can let me navigate left and right in place of bumpers in menus. Maybe the d-pad can sub in for the left stick in autovista so I can actually get in the car and do a challenge if I feel like it.

I still can't figure out why they went sans bumpers. They don't need to be in a convenient spot, I just think they should *exist* for games that want them.

I really love the way it feels to use the thing, the trigger action is great, the level of control is really impressive and more comfortable than my cheap wheel for sure. But with a few major missteps for the game it's explicitly intended for...

I'm just not sure I can justify the $50 for it yet. I want to, because I love it in the race, but I'm not sure I can with the raw hassle.

[IkeVandergraaf]

I'm having a tough time with the bowling events. Is there some trick to these?

[Fugitive]

I'm having a tough time with the bowling events. Is there some trick to these?

I've generally been able to beat them by just going fast right down the center line. If you go too slow, not enough of them fly off to the side to hit the ones further out that you don't drive over directly.

[ZekeDMS]

Straight down the middle, fast as you can. You might add a little slide in the end, but your best path is the one designated by pinwalls at a high speed. Let physics do the work as those pins get knocked into the ones outside.

Addendum-shit, I'm really loving actual racing with the speed wheel. It's weird how much harder earlier classes are but how much easier later ones are. There's always been something about the R1 cars in particular that bugged me with the controller, like they just refused to turn. With the wheel they respond properly to quick movement. The lower class cars tend to fuck up if I jam the wheel, of course, so it's a bane as much as boon, but I really enjoy R1 now whereas I dreaded it before.

Seems like the second year of the world tour is much harder than the first, too, but that might be me adjusting to the wheel in D class. Still, I'm pretty sure the difficulty went up more between Legends 1 and Amateur 2 more than it did from A1 to L1.

[Cobra]

Does anyone know how the screenshot function works? I was hoping for something like Halo where you take a screenshot upload it to bungie.com but I can't seem to find it on forzamotorsport.net. File Depot is empty and the gallery doesn't have anything either even though I'm sure I uploaded it.

[Fugitive]

I think someone mentioned earlier that, confusingly, you have to upload the picture to the storefront before it will appear on the website.

[Telefrog]

I think someone mentioned earlier that, confusingly, you have to upload the picture to the storefront before it will appear on the website.

No, that's not true. Uploaded pictures will appear under My Forza with your login on the website.

[Union Carbide]

No, it IS true, you have to upload photos to the storefront for them to appear on the website. If you upload a bigshot, you will have to go to a special download link to get it that only lasts for 24h.

[Telefrog]

I hit the dialog box that says upload after I take a photo and it appears on my webpage. I have four on there right now.

[Cobra]

That's weird cause I can't find anything on my profile. It goes trough the entire process of uploading it but I can't find it anywhere. Not on forzamotorsport.net. Not at My Profile or File Depot or StoreFront in-game. It just disappears.

[Union Carbide]

I hit the dialog box that says upload after I take a photo and it appears on my webpage. I have four on there right now.

If you read that, it says you're uploading it to your storefront.

[Union Carbide]

That's weird cause I can't find anything on my profile. It goes trough the entire process of uploading it but I can't find it anywhere. Not on forzamotorsport.net. Not at My Profile or File Depot or StoreFront in-game. It just disappears.

If you're uploading a Bigshot it only appears as a download link. You need to:


Go to http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/Profile.aspx
Log in to your live account
Find the Gallery section of your profile page
Click View All

The Bigshot will be a link in the lower right corner of the page, at the bottom of the "Large Media Files" box.

If you're uploading regular screenshots, I don't know what to tell you.

[Cobra]

Nope, nothing there. Thanks for the help but I've given up already.

[Telefrog]

Since last night was a wash for most people on Xbox Live thanks to the update issues and the servers getting hammered, I thought a reminder might be good for the December Car Pack that came out yesterday.

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/DecemberIGNPackDLC/



2011 Suzuki #1 Monster Sport SX4 Hill Climb Special
2011 Mazda RX-8 R3
2011 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor
1967 Chevrolet Chevelle SS-396
1977 Ford Escort RS1800
1981 Volkswagen Scirocco S
1986 Alfa Romeo Spider Quadrifoglio Verde
1988 Pontiac Fiero GT
2010 Maserati GranTurismo MC GT4
1957 Maserati 300 S

[Rock8man]

I've been a bit distracted by Batman and Skyrim lately, but I've always been meaning to come back to Forza 4 soon. One thing I've been doing lately is working the night shift and listening to the backlog of Qt3 games podcast from a couple of months ago.

I got to the podcast last night with Xaroc, where Forza 4 was Tom's game of the week. What's so frustrating is that he never once mentioned Rivals mode. It's the only mode I play, and it makes the game so much fun, but all he talked about was giving up on the game after trying the career mode and finding it lacking in challenge. Arrrrgh. That was so frustrating. I wanted to reach into the podcast somehow and shout: what about Rivals? It's as if he doesn't know about that part of the game at all.

[Harkonis]

Rivals mode is what ruined F4 for me. I'd log on and have 20 friends all playing Rivals mode trying to beat each other's scores and not one who would accept an invite to race. They made the game with 16 player race lobbies which is a huge deal, except apparently none of the people on my friends list bought the racing game to race with friends.

Everyone bought the new RACING game just to get fast hot laps by themselves. It's silly imo.

Rivals was a great idea and should be what people do when they don't have enough people on to race. Hot laps are pretty sterile, I really like the dynamics of a good race.

[Rock8man]

Well, I usually work when my friends play games nowadays. I haven't been able to play with them for months. So Rivals mode is a godsend for me.

Plus Rivals mode is more than just hotlaps. There's lots of events with other (slower) cars on the track, and others with gates/cones on the track.

[Sander 001]

Yeah, we only raced once or twice. I raced online a few times and it's good but I found the racing in GT5 to be much better in almost every way(I still cherish a few of those epic 20 lap races at Le Mans that came down to the final lap).
If they could combine the 2 franchises, I could die happy.

[Wholly Schmidt]

Would one of the leaders of the Forza 4 Qt3 club kindly send an invite to Clemsonpilot? He's a friend of mine. Thanks.

[Telefrog]

Porsche is returning to the game in May! Woooooo!

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/05/porsche-makes-its-forza-4-debut-in-may/

-30 new cars!
-20 new events!

I believe this is outide of the Season Pass.

Separately, Forza 4's March Car Pirelli Pack will introduce a title update that makes various multiplayer fixes, as well as lifting the level cap from 150 to 999.

[Rock8man]

-20 new events!


I hope they have more than just campaign events. Hopefully they'll have lots of Rivals events related to porsche too.

[Telefrog]

I really want new tracks, but they have to be integrated better than they were in Forza 3.

[Rock8man]

I really want new tracks, but they have to be integrated better than they were in Forza 3.

Yeah, anything would be better integration than "not integrated in any way". I guess you could play them in multiplayer, and that's about it. Yeah, I wasted money on tracks in Forza 3 too. I'm still bitter.

[Eric Majkut]

Porsche is coming back? Yay! Now my dreams of moonlighting as a virtual Richard Hammond can finally be realized! :P

[Telefrog]

Yeah, anything would be better integration than "not integrated in any way". I guess you could play them in multiplayer, and that's about it. Yeah, I wasted money on tracks in Forza 3 too. I'm still bitter.

Ugh. No kidding. Such a missed opportunity. I even remember claims that the DLC was going to be available in SP, too. Turns out that the CM (at the time) meant the arcade mode SP and not anything else. So lame.

[Sander 001]

Porsche DLC is priced higher than usual? WTF it should be the exact opposite; it's a huge advertisement opportunity for them, Porsche would be paying big time!

Moot point, I can't even remember the last time I played Fourza.

[Eric Majkut]

Well I'm sure the reason Porsche wasn't in the game in the first place is because they were being primadonnas about letting their brand into the game. Turn 10 probably had to pony up a bunch of cash to get them to sign on, which in turn gets paid for by higher DLC prices. That's just a guess, though.

[Telefrog]

Well I'm sure the reason Porsche wasn't in the game in the first place is because they were being primadonnas about letting their brand into the game. Turn 10 probably had to pony up a bunch of cash to get them to sign on, which in turn gets paid for by higher DLC prices. That's just a guess, though.

Nope. EA had the license and wouldn't give them up.


Forza Motorsport 4 notoriously lost the Stuttgart-based brand following a fall-out with EA. "When we announced that Porsche wasn't going to be in Forza 4, we didn't stop talking," Turn 10's Dan Greenawalt told Eurogamer. "We announced it because we could no longer get it into the game - production-wise, it was too late.

"We kept talking to Porsche, and we kept talking to EA - no-one wants to take Porsche away from the fans. We kept talking and talking until we found an agreeable situation, and now it's win-win. We've got Porsche coming into the game in a big way. EA's satisfied, Microsoft's satisfied and Porsche's satisfied."

[Rock8man]

So, I took a break from Top Gear in 2010 after I saw their Bolivia special. It was a high note to end on. Recently I've gone back to Netflix and started from earlier seasons and finally got back to season 15 (the season after Bolivia, and also the season where they switched the reasonably priced car to the Kia Cee'd).

Yesterday I watched the episode with Tom Cruise's top time getting run where he crosses the finish line on two wheels. I have to admit, after doing this track in Forza 4 so many times with this car, it really gives you a different appreciation for the track and the car and how they show it on TV. You can just imagine each corner from the driver perspective as you're watching. I also watched the Jeff Goldblum episode yesterday where they mention giving him the automatic version of the Kia Cee'd which is a second slower. As I watching that, I was nodding enthusiastically! It is indeed a second slower. That's why the Reasonably priced car challenge is the only one in the game where I use the manual transmission.

Now I'll have to get back to Forza 4, and see if my time beat Tom Cruise's on-2-wheels finish time (1.44.2 I believe). And is that even possible in Forza 4? To turn so sharply on that last corner like that and get on 2 wheels?

[Sander 001]

I think he cut the corner a bit so the inside wheels got a bump when they came back on track, sending that side of the car a bit skyward. I don't think Forza has the same bump.

I've never been a huge fan of Top Gear until recently when my father was in town for a visit and we went on a Top Gear marathon. I now appreciate the old school humour much more. James May is my favourite.

[Rock8man]

One thing I never appreciated about the show until recently is their opening lines. Instead of saying things like "James May drives the new Bugatti Veyron", "Richard Hammond races in airport service vehicles", "We go on another road trip in America" to let you know what is coming up in the episode, he says "I wear a hat, James sneezes, Richard hits a wall". This was never relevant to me until I recently started watching all these seasons, where I'd seen a lot of episodes of the show, but not all episodes. So if they'd gone with the first description I described above, I would have been very likely to skip the episodes that I'd already seen, but the way they do things, I had no earthly idea if I'd seen the episode before or not. "I wear a hat"? Really? How does that tell me enough about the episode to judge whether I'd seen before or not?

In the end, it's a truly brilliant thing they do, because they'll sometimes emphasis something completely small but funny moment in the episode, and I'll end up watching an episode I'd already seen and being entertained all over again.