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Jason Cross
10-05-2003, 10:11 PM
Hey...wait a second.... this doesn't suck! This doesn't suck AT ALL! What the mother father happened?

MusicMatch 8.1 came out lord knows when... I think a couple weeks ago? The big deal is that they have a music store integrated ala iTunes or BuyMusic. I'll get to that.

Okay, for starters the interface doesn't blow. Big plus. The ripping features are really good, and they all work in the free version (you just rip from a CD faster with the pay version). You can rip to MP3, MP3 Pro, Windows Media (don't know if that's 8 or 9, hopefully 9). And there appears to be no restrictions on any of them for bitrate, VBR, whatever. You get to tell it how to make folders and filenames, too. Like, I want folders by artist then album, then filenames by track number and track name, for instance.

That stuff was in MusicMatch before.

Now they got radio stations. Looks like about 30 of them. There are little buttons to pick low, medium, or "CD" quality radio. CD streams fine over my net connection and sounds a hell of a lot better than any of the other streaming radio out there. The stations are by genre, and the play selections are really quite good. I've been listening to this stuff all night.

Some of the stations are labeled "MX" meaning you have to have the $2.95 a month subscription to MusicMatch MX or something. But I click on them and they play, and when the screen pops up saying I need to have MX, I just back up and keep listening to the radio. Maybe you only need MX for some kind of special info.

Oh here's a nice twist: the radio stations support full track skipping (except the "radio ID" tracks), and they list all the tracks on the station so you can hop to whatever one you want.

The music buying is good. They have like 200,000 tracks or so, twice as many coming soon, I hear. Any track you can buy has as small "buy track" button nearby. Tracks are $.99, albums are $9.99, same as iTunes. I believe the DRM is the same as iTunes, too - up to 3 computers per track, and you can delete and replace that track as much as you want as long as it's the same computer, with no real penalty or cost. I have to check on that, though. The format is higher quality than BuyMusic or iTunes, which use 128k. These are 160K WMA9, which sound great.

And EVERYTHING is hotlinked. Every artist name, track name, album name, genre... anywhere you see that stuff in the interface, click it, and you get more on that in the detail window.

It's not totally annoyance-proof, of course. You'll want to do the custom install to keep it from putting quicklaunch and tooltray icons and god knows what else on your PC, and to keep it from taking over the file associations you don't want it to. I'm sure as I use it more I'll find other flaws.

But hey, so far so good. You might want to give it a whirl. If for no other reason than to mess with some good quality net radio.

TimElhajj
10-05-2003, 10:17 PM
Is Apple's music servcie Itunes? I thought it's big selling feature was no DRM on the music. Why do I have to have DRM on my purchased music?

Brad Grenz
10-05-2003, 10:24 PM
So you don't give it away to all your friends, duh!

DennyA
10-06-2003, 06:21 AM
I've been a registered MusicMatch user for a couple of years -- once they fixed their formerly horrible interface.

Sometime last year I started having a problem where the program would lock up completely on load. MusicMatch support, of course, blamed everything else on the system and had nothing to offer. After a complete Windows reinstall, it worked again -- for a couple of weeks. Now it locks up again. And I have no problems running ANY other program -- games, video editing, etc.

It's a shame. It is a good program nowadays, but it doesn't like my PC, and their support has been useless.

chet
10-06-2003, 07:12 AM
Same with Denny, I registered the very first version for a lifetime of upgrades. So of course they changed the name of their program and let the one I paid for die off. So I bought the new one (for the ease of burning and ripping) Then around version 5, the upgrade undid my registration and I had to prove I registered my version by finding some receipt from a year previous. So I had to purchase again, now the new one upgraded itself into locking up.

I will pirate the next copy, I think paying 3 times for lifetime updates makes me a sucker two too many times.

Chet

Kalle
10-06-2003, 07:54 AM
I switched to CDex for my burning and ripping needs and haven't looked back since.

Musicmatch is a horrible piece of software IMHO.

Timemaster Tim
10-06-2003, 08:27 AM
Musicmatch is a horrible piece of software IMHO.

I haven't tried it recently. Perhaps it has improved. My sole experience with MusicMatch was that it was the software that shipped with my Rio PMP-300. My thoughts on first using it was. "Typical useless shit software that gets bundled in with hardware."

DennyA
10-06-2003, 09:06 AM
Nah, when it works, MusicMatch isn't horrible. The rips aren't as good as EAC with LAME, but it's hella fast and most stuff sounds just fine. The interface used to be one of the worst on the planet, but it's now, well, okay.

After this thread came up, I decided to try installing 8.1. After removing 8.0 and the 18-gazillion remnants it left in the Registry, 8.1 actually installed and ran fine. We'll see how long it continues to work...

Nick Hyle
10-06-2003, 09:49 AM
I had also paid for my lifetime version, which apparently didn't really mean what it says. (I'm at, ah, v7.50.3103, according to my Help file.)

Here's my question. I'm thinking of paying for the upgrade, because I've gotten used to to the interface, etc.

My problem is that while when MM works, it's pretty sweet, it seems to be one of THE most crash-prone pieces of software I own, and when it goes, it tends to take Explorer with it. Whee. (Say, two or three times a week.) Furthermore, it doesn't seem to work and play well with others. I'm mainly talking about leaving it running while I run something else - like Diablo II. :D

(Of course this may be partly because I'm a broke-ass economy victim so my desktop machine is a three year old PIII 700 Win ME machine. The Win ME part being what I mainly suspect as a contributing factor.)

Leaving aside the ripping and burning thing, are there other MP3 jukeboxes I should be looking at? I'm not asking so much about bells and whistles (although the more the better, of course) as I am about the stability and compatibility with games part.

Nick

DennyA
10-06-2003, 10:01 AM
If you want free:
Player: WinAmp. Stable, fast, sounds good.
Ripper: Exact Audio Copy and the LAME MP3 Encoder
or
CDEX -- http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/ ... Just trying this one now

Kalle
10-06-2003, 11:17 AM
I play music on my computer whenever I'm not doing playing games. I quickly realised that a music player that would crash as often as not when starting Internet Explorer, locks up if you tried to look at some files in another folder when it was reading off a CD, locks up occasionally when checking CDDB, and I don't know what else is not something I want to use. For a couple of months I kept it around because the ripping/music library features were useful, but after one to many crash bugs when I started Winamp with musicmatch running in the background I finally had enough and went looking for something, anything, better.

So when I say Musicmatch is a horrible piece of software, I mean that it is ugly, cumbersome, crash-prone and buggy as hell. It's the program I would install to frustrate my worst enemy. I am amazed that the worthless idiots who make that shit hasn't gone out of business yet. Maybe they got it right on their 8th try, but I wouldn't know because I never intend to give it another chance. The only redeeming feature I can find about Musicmatch is that it didn't wipe my HDD when I uninstalled it.

XPav
10-06-2003, 11:20 AM
If you want free:
Player: WinAmp. Stable, fast, sounds good.


Make sure you specify Winamp 2.x.

Kalle
10-06-2003, 11:28 AM
If you want free:
Player: WinAmp. Stable, fast, sounds good.


Make sure you specify Winamp 2.x.

I use Winamp 3. It's buggy, though no crash bugs yet, mainly minor annoyances like the playlist clearing and stuff like no foreign characters being shown. The main reason why I choose v.2 over v.3 though is the MMD3 skin that gives me a single bar at the top of the screen with every control I could wish for, always on top, neatly sized so that it's not in the way of anything. But how I wish they release at least one bug fix for Winamp3 when they're still updating v.2.

Brad Grenz
10-07-2003, 10:23 PM
If you want free:
Player: WinAmp. Stable, fast, sounds good.
Ripper: Exact Audio Copy and the LAME MP3 Encoder
or
CDEX -- http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/ ... Just trying this one now

CDex is great, better than EAC in my opinion. I think EAC is over rated. If you turn on the paranoid settings in CDex it is even better at overcoming errors from scratched CDs than EAC, at least in my experience. Also has a better interface, and encodes on the fly, no trouble with disk space for the WAV rips you need using EAC which I've had a littlke trouble with. EAC doesn't even know to tell you it's having disk space problems, you just end up with half complete songs in MP3 form...

For players, I really liked FreeAMP which is no longer in active development. Now my MP3 collection is so big FreeAMP is so big it crashes FreeAMP's management system. It was really nice for creatng playlists and stuff. D'oh! This happens to all my favorite MP3 players, Nad, K-Jofol and now FreeAMP. I really don't care for WinAMP.

Anders Hallin
10-08-2003, 03:01 AM
Wasn't Freeamp continued in Zinf (Zinf is not freeamp)?

Sean Tudor
10-08-2003, 03:14 PM
I really don't care for WinAMP.

WinAmp 2.x is still pretty good. I am not sure why development on 3.x was stopped.

XPav
10-08-2003, 03:28 PM
WinAmp 2.x is still pretty good. I am not sure why development on 3.x was stopped.

I read somewhere that Winamp 3.x was basically a make work nepotism project or something like that.

Brad Grenz
10-09-2003, 12:05 AM
Wasn't Freeamp continued in Zinf (Zinf is not freeamp)?

Holy shit. You beautiful Swedish bastard! All I knew was that Freeamp.org had fallen off the face of the planet.