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Mark Asher
10-03-2003, 07:51 AM
Man, it's embarrassing how they're trying to discredit Schwarzenegger. First the groping revealations and now this Hitler stuff. It's pretty sad that they're reduced to this to try to stop Arnold. This Hitler thing is alleged to have happened in 1975, and all he's supposedly said was that he admired the way Hitler rose to power, which isn't exactly an endorsement of the guy's actions -- just an observation.
Rywill
10-03-2003, 07:55 AM
Yeah, but how funny is it to hear Arnold on the radio saying he "can't recall endorsing Hitler?" That's awesome.
DavidCPA
10-03-2003, 07:57 AM
I'm interested to see how Arnold handles all of this allegations. It should give a clue how he will handle the frustrating parts of government if he wins. It must be a big change to go from big screen star with everyone's nose up his ass to getting nitpicked for everything he ever said or did. Welcome to politics Arnold.
-DavidCPA
Midnight Son
10-03-2003, 08:22 AM
Poor Ahnold: "I've groped women all mein life but I'm sorry now that I need their vote." Still liked a lot of his flicks, though.
DennyA
10-03-2003, 08:37 AM
A friend of ours -- a very smart and attractive German blonde now in her early-30s -- told us a story about meeting Arnold at a ski resort. She was in her early/mid 20s at the time.
Apparently he approached her and her friend and introduced himself. They talked for a while and he rather openly flirted with her, which she thought was pretty annoying since she knew he was married. But then, when goodbyes were exchanged, he hugged her -- and totally groped her behind in the process.
So it sounds like "nice to meet you, I shall now cop a feel and go" may have long been his routine with the ladies.
(She told us this story years ago, back when the thought of Arnold running for Governer sounded like a bad idea for a comedy film.)
I think its fair enough. Look what they did to Davis? And what is Arnold saying? He is for schools, for education, and then lays out a silly 100 day plan that will never happen.
You fight stupidity with stupidity. And it is not like they are making crap up. He groped women, he said that about hitler, come on he was buddies with Waldheim whom he proposed a toast to at his own (Arnies) Wedding, Arnie's dad was a nazis.
Come on. This isn't like it is out of the blue. Arnie has a body of written work on him where he acts like a shithead, those should be ignored because he has made a few movies now? He is trying to cash in on being an action star who is a shit for a human being, except where it has benefited him.
Chet
Man, it's embarrassing how they're trying to discredit Schwarzenegger. First the groping revealations and now this Hitler stuff. It's pretty sad that they're reduced to this to try to stop Arnold. This Hitler thing is alleged to have happened in 1975, and all he's supposedly said was that he admired the way Hitler rose to power, which isn't exactly an endorsement of the guy's actions -- just an observation.
I have to admit though, I used to think that Arnold coulcn't act.
Jakub
10-03-2003, 09:13 AM
Well, the thing is that Hitler rose to power quite legally. He was voted in. He was legally appointed Chancellor by von Hindenburg. That brown shirt stuff... well... it's no worse than Bible thumpers and the Republican party. (I jest. The Bible thumpers are much more of a pain than any billy club-wielding homosexuals venting their frustrations against the straight populace.)
When author and producer George Butler asked who he admired most, Schwarzenegger replied, "I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education up to power. And I admire him for being such a good public speaker." Butler also makes claims the actor "frequently clicked his heels and pretended to be an S.S. officer" and that he enjoyed playing "Nazi marching songs from long-playing records from his collection at home." New York Times.
If it was just one thing, or just once - but the Waldheim connection?
No. Arnold is getting what he deserves.
Chet
Arnold is getting what he deserves.
The governorship of California?
Jason McCullough
10-03-2003, 09:49 AM
Politics is funny.
Jakub
10-03-2003, 09:51 AM
Politics is funny.
You mean would be funny. If these people didn't decide the fate of the world.
Linoleum
10-03-2003, 10:46 AM
Not that Arnold is the only one with things to be ashamed about (www.windsofchange.net/archives/004099.html).
Jason McCullough
10-03-2003, 11:11 AM
The sourcing for that Davis thing is a lot weaker.
Bob Cherub
10-03-2003, 12:52 PM
I love how all the Cali women are up in arms cause Arnold groped women.. but these same Cali women would probably vote for Clinton in a heartbeat.
Aren't "dirty" and "politics" synonyms?
Jason McCullough
10-03-2003, 01:41 PM
I love how all the Cali women are up in arms cause Arnold groped women.. but these same Cali women would probably vote for Clinton in a heartbeat.
Well, whatever else you say about Clinton, there's never been a well sourced accusation of sexual harassment. He only went after women who liked it.
Lizard_King
10-03-2003, 02:11 PM
If it was just one thing, or just once - but the Waldheim connection?
Waldheim was revealed as an ex-Nazi afterwards (ie there was no public contact after that as far as I know), and it came as a surprise to most everyone, Austrians and Europeans in general. It's unfortunate, but hardly damning.
quatoria
10-03-2003, 02:22 PM
I love how all the Cali women are up in arms cause Arnold groped women.. but these same Cali women would probably vote for Clinton in a heartbeat.
Well, whatever else you say about Clinton, there's never been a well sourced accusation of sexual harassment. He only went after women who liked it.
Er, aside from the woman who claimed that, when governor, he had a state trooper bring her into his presence, where he proceeded to whip it out.
Jason McCullough
10-03-2003, 02:23 PM
Well, Arnold was hanging out with him in 1998.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2087021/
Lizard_King, He toasted the man at his wedding, vactioned at his home. WTF are you talking about??
Chet
Midnight Son
10-03-2003, 05:08 PM
Ahnold knows zat ze jews are behind it all! Particularly those zaftig big-haired wimmens. :wink:
Anders Hallin
10-03-2003, 07:06 PM
Anything to keep an actor with delusions of grandeur out of the governatorial seat. (I'm looking at you, Chick!)
Lizard_King
10-03-2003, 07:31 PM
Lizard_King, He toasted the man at his wedding, vactioned at his home. WTF are you talking about??
I'm just saying if that is your primary objection to his candidacy, it's really not that big a deal. Bill Clinton gave William Fulbright, segregationist, a presidential medal of freedom and regards him as his formative mentor. It does not logically follow that Bill Clinton is a segregationist. Nazis are par for the course.
Jason McCullough
10-03-2003, 11:19 PM
Dunno, praising Hitler's organizational ability is at the very least tone-deaf.
Chris Nahr
10-04-2003, 01:31 AM
Schwarzenegger is not a Nazi, he's simply an opportunist and AFAIK has hardly ever thought about politics before he came to America. Hitler and Nazi connections are just not a big deal among Austrian conservatives, much like Mussolini in Italy. Arnold would have to be either a rabid left-winger or a smart career politician to oppose Waldheim and not make the occasional "Adolf was great" quips in Austria.
The real issue that these stories reveal is the fact that Arnie doesn't have any political convictions at all. He just wants to be the governor of California, land of bodybuilding and Hollywood. Whether he could be an effective pragmatic governor is anyone's guess -- he sure made a lot of money for himself...
JessicaM
10-04-2003, 05:10 AM
No one should be surprised by the candidates in California; with past elected officials such as Ronald Reagan, Pete Wilson and Willie Brown, this is just another turn of the screw. California politics is nothing if not cheerfully, openly corrupt. I say that as a former long-term resident of the state.
They ought to just go ahead and elect http://www.marycareyforgovernor.com as a caretaker. She seems likely to do the least damage until they can get a properly corrupt machine pol back in.
Chris Nahr
10-04-2003, 08:17 AM
They ought to just go ahead and elect http://www.marycareyforgovernor.com as a caretaker.
Why, I support that motion! :D
Oh, and Denny... how is it that a lowly liberal game journalist located in socialist Vermont gets to know "a very smart and attractive German blonde now in her early-30s" who met Arnold Schwarzenegger at a Swiss ski resort? HMMM?
Like I always say, preach water and drink water, solidarity with the poor, yeah right... :wink:
Mark Asher
10-04-2003, 10:25 AM
Wow, she's great!
2. Tax breast implants. From Beverly Hills alone, we should bring in millions in tax revenue. (Note: I am all-natural and I personally discourage the use of implants!)
3. Make lap dances a tax deductible business expense. This will help grease the wheels of business in California and stimulate our economy.
Those are some great ideas!
DennyA
10-04-2003, 01:08 PM
Oh, and Denny... how is it that a lowly liberal game journalist located in socialist Vermont gets to know "a very smart and attractive German blonde now in her early-30s" who met Arnold Schwarzenegger at a Swiss ski resort? HMMM?
College friend of my wife's from when we lived in San Francisco... And I never said "Swiss" -- I believe it was Colorado, actually.
Another friend/classmate from the same college was from Belgium. We found out much later she was a baroness, and had been dating a member of the Belgian royal family at one point. My wife didn't know this when she was fixing this girl up with one of her coworkers at the pysch hospital. :)
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