View Full Version : Wet Hot Czech Summer
Tom Chick
08-29-2002, 08:45 PM
Prague was great. Yeah, it was a little flooded, which meant a bunch of the touristy stuff and ritzy shops downtown were closed while the employees hauled up trash from the flooded basements and stacked it in the streets. As you walked by the open windows, you could small the wet ruin and mildew. Thepower was out, so at night, walking through the dark streets was like wandering through some sort of Disneyland ride that had been turned off. Europe can be quaint that way.
A friend of mine who just up and moved there a few months ago was an ideal host. He let me crash at his place and tag along with him as he went about his business. He knew enough Czech to get by, but not enough to deprive me of episodes like this: One night we're drinking beer with a table full of Czech speakers, mostly girls (not a boast, but an important detail). He's trying out the language by explaining that he's tipsy. In Czech, you don't muck around with a be verb; you express it by saying, "I have tipsiness". Using the appropriate Czech words, of course. When my host attempts it, haltingly, the girls shoot each other wide-eyed looks and then laugh nervously, at which point one of them leans over and explains that he'd just announced to the table, "I have a [insert extremely offensive word for female genitalia beginning with the letter C]". "I am a Jelly Donut" has nothing on that one.
Although Prague is beautiful, jewel of Eastern Europe and all that, I had no desire to see castles and museums and cathedrals. I just wanted to hang out, read books, eat dinner, ride trams, and do what people who live in Prague do. Which involves drinking inexpensive beer that's very good. Or so they tell me. I'm not enough of a beer fan to know any better. I'm impressed at any beer that costs only fifty cents and isn't pumped into a plastic cup, but this was supposedly actual, no-joke, for serious dude, quality beer with vaguely German sounding names.
Also inexpensive are massages. Which I didn't discover until late in my visit. On the last four days, I had an hour-long massage every day at about $15 each. Sheesh, in LA, I spend that much every morning at Starbucks.
Speaking of which, I'm an espresso fan now. No one in Europe just brews a pot of coffee, which was really annoying at first. "Don't you people have Mr. Coffees?" I wondered. But just as I prefer my alcohol hard and honest (I'll take gin over beer any day, ideally in a martini with a whisp of vermouth so you can really be sure it's gin you're drinking), I think I now like my caffeine this way as well. One of the first orders of business now that I'm back is to buy an espresso maker. Does this make me Eurotrash? "I shall wear tight poly Speedos and walk along the beach".
Also inexpensive in Prague is the food. Great food, very cheap, as long as you go someplace that isn't geared towards ripping off tourists (even then, great food, moderately cheap). Internet cafes are cheap at about a dollar an hour. Public transportation runs 24 hours and runs from free to very cheap. Since I was crashing at my friend's apartment, my greatest expense was English language books, which cost about as much as they would over here. I found lumps of dozens of books by odd authors, as if I was in the campus bookstore and there's a GK Chesterton class no one is taking. There was a bookstore with a section of "used literary fiction" that was full of throwaway mass market paperbacks, circa 1970, as if someone had dropped off the stuff from a garage sale no one wanted. I found myself wondering if amazon.com delivers to the Czech Republic. Otherwise, I'd go batty trying to find reading material. You'd think those people prefer to read in another language or something.
Finally, no heterosexual male can relate being in Prague without mentioning the women. I live in LA. We have Hollywood out here, Melrose Avenue, Malibu, Venice Beach, Rodeo Drive, Brentwood. Lots of beautiful women. Whatever. After ten years of it, you just kind of shrug and look all the harder for the ones who can participate in a meaningful conversation. But in August, Prague is swarming with long curvy Czech women wearing tight clothes and licking ice cream cones. It's like some dopey MTV video with a respectable Old World backdrop. You couldn't make up a cheesier adolescent fantasy.
Anyway, that's my trip and I'm glad to be back. Is Duke Nukem Forever out yet? And what's all this about Battlehawks 1492?
-Tom
Kool Moe Dee
08-29-2002, 09:00 PM
And what's all this about Battlehawks 1492?
It's an alternate-history game where you take one of da Vinci's flying machines on a rampage through the New World. I think the demo came out a little while ago, not sure how it is...though people around here sure seem to like it!
Supertanker
08-29-2002, 09:31 PM
I'm not enough of a beer fan to know any better. I'm impressed at any beer that costs only fifty cents and isn't pumped into a plastic cup, but this was supposedly actual, no-joke, for serious dude, quality beer with vaguely German sounding names.
Pearls before swine. You have to at least appreciate that's what American beer would be like if there were no trailer parks. http://www.budvar.cz/
Mark Asher
08-30-2002, 01:23 AM
I'll stand up for American beer. It's light and is a beer that tastes good well-chilled, unlike the thicker European beers. When I'm out in the August heat standing in front of a grill BBQing some brats, American beer goes down good. It's also handy if you need to pour something on the fire if it gets out of hand.
American beer is also good if you're in the mood to drink copious amounts while out with friends. It won't weigh you down like that European stuff.
Desslock
08-30-2002, 01:27 AM
>I'll stand up for American beer. It's light
You've got to be kidding. It's "light" because it's all water. Much as I'm pro-american, I can't imagine defending its beer.
Supertanker
08-30-2002, 02:54 AM
Yeah, but Mark is from St. Louis. He'd be strung up from the nearest tree if he said anything else. :D
graller
08-30-2002, 05:05 AM
Tom is right on about the cheap and free. I was in Prague last summer for work. We were going to meet one of our Czech co-workers so we said we would meet him in the Central Square <tourist central>. Told him to find us in one of the cafe's where we would be having a beer. We were chatting to ourselves who great the prices were - about 1 dollar for a pint A PINT! of beer when our friend came up. He sat down and started laughing at us. When we asked why he says - No one from Prague would ever eat or drink at that square as it was so overpriced. He led us one block away to a brewery owned pub for some food and beer. We ate dinner for 3 and it cost us 20 dollars - total!. The beers were 24 oz and cost about 40 cents.....it was amazing. Tom you missed out if you did not go up to the palace. There is an amazing cathedral and you can climb to the top of one of the spires and the older - Pre-Hapsburg buildings are wonderful.
Mark Bussman
08-30-2002, 06:07 AM
Yeah, but Mark is from St. Louis. He'd be strung up from the nearest tree if he said anything else. :D
Uh-oh! :shock: I don't like beer at all, what are they going to do to me??? :?
Ben Sones
08-30-2002, 06:33 AM
I'll stand up for American beer. It's light and is a beer that tastes good well-chilled, unlike the thicker European beers.
Nearly anything tastes good well-chilled, because our taste buds have difficulty tasting things that are cold. That's why the sugar ratio is so high in ice cream (try eating warm, melted ice cream sometime--it's grossly oversweet). The reason it became popular to serve American beer (particularly mass market American pilsner) ice-cold is because American beer tastes like watered down goat piss.
Well, it's not quite so bad these days. You still have your Bud and Miller and Old Style and all the crappy beers of yore, but there is also a lot of good beer in America today.
I will stand up for Battlehawks 1492, though. So far I've spent more time playing this demo than I have spent with any demo since Doom. In fact, I think I've spent nearly as much time with this demo as I've spent with any other full game this year.
Bub, Andrew
08-30-2002, 08:06 AM
Yeah, but I'd pit several American microbrews against the finest German beers any day of the week. Warm or cold. St. Louis has some of the best beer in the world, it just didn't come from Anheiser Busch.
Ben Sones
08-30-2002, 08:43 AM
Me too. One nice thing about Rochester is a store called "Beers Around the World." They carry thousands--literally--of different beers, all sold in single bottle form. They also do six-packs and cases at a discount, but I always do mixed cases now.
About a third of their selection is comprised of American microbrews, and I've found some pretty damn good ones that I had never heard of before. They also carry Hoegaarden, the original Belgian "White Beer" from the maker of the now-defunct Celis brewery in Texas. Good stuff.
Tom Chick
08-30-2002, 09:22 AM
The beers were 24 oz and cost about 40 cents.....it was amazing.
Casper is helping a friend remodel a house at some tiny crossroads in the country an hour and a half north of Prague. We went out there one weekend and stayed the night. There's a sort of pub thing across the street, which doubles as the local town hall and bus stop. Half liter beers were something like ten crowns, which is less than 25 cents. Not a lot of atmosphere, but with beer that cheap, who needs it.
(BTW, the Czech countryside looks just like something out of Operation Flashpoint. Go figure.)
Tom you missed out if you did not go up to the palace. There is an amazing cathedral and you can climb to the top of one of the spires and the older - Pre-Hapsburg buildings are wonderful.
The castle, Hradczeny, was certainly beautiful. Especially the way they lit it up at night. American philistine that I am, I couldn't help but think, 'Hey, just like Disneyland'. Actually, crossing any of those bridges over the Vltana was pretty spectacular any time of day.
But I intentionally eschewed anything a tourist might do, although I knew I'd miss out on some stuff. I didn't take a single picture, buy a T-shirt, or go to any of those awful black light marionette shows. I did send a few post cards, though.
-Tom
Alan Au
08-30-2002, 01:03 PM
Uh-oh! I don't like beer at all, what are they going to do to me???
For a short period (a couple of years), I lost interest in beer. Then I took a trip to Germany; that seemed to fix the problem. :)
- Alan
Anonymous
08-30-2002, 04:16 PM
Just caught a snippet of a story about Budvar beer on NPR; they only part I caught was that due to legal threats, Budvar is sold under the name Czechvar here in the US.
I'm gonna pick me up one at the local grocery store, if they have it, and see if I start hallucinating that my cat is a tall, shapely Czech woman licking an ice cream cone.
Anonymous
08-30-2002, 04:27 PM
Wow, if you check out that link Supertanker posted to Budvar's website, and look in the "news" section, you'll see that Anheuser-Busch has engaged Budvar in worldwide legal battle, attempting to drive it out of markets on a nation-by-nation basis. For instance, in Australia, according to this website, they asked the court not only to reject Budvar's trademark, but to "further require that Budějovický Budvar should surrender to AB all of its beer supplies and material used to promote and sell beer."
What a bunch o' arseholes. They can't possibly win in a fair fight (as in people taste testing the two beers), so they want to use the courts to drive Budvar out of business. Scum.
Kross
08-30-2002, 05:35 PM
Tom you missed out if you did not go up to the palace. There is an amazing cathedral and you can climb to the top of one of the spires and the older - Pre-Hapsburg buildings are wonderful.
The castle, Hradczeny, was certainly beautiful. Especially the way they lit it up at night. American philistine that I am, I couldn't help but think, 'Hey, just like Disneyland'. Actually, crossing any of those bridges over the Vltana was pretty spectacular any time of day.
But I intentionally eschewed anything a tourist might do, although I knew I'd miss out on some stuff. I didn't take a single picture, buy a T-shirt, or go to any of those awful black light marionette shows. I did send a few post cards, though.
My traveling experiences are by no means extensive but, of the cities I have seen, Prague is the most beautiful. The only city that even comes close is Venice.
I agree that you missed out if you didn't go up the hill to the church, palace, etc., but you didn't miss much else if you otherwise avoided the tourist places. You go to Prague for the beer, food, women, cathedral on a hill, and that bridge I forget the name of (St. Charles?) with the statues, not necessarily in that order.
Aszurom
08-30-2002, 07:26 PM
Man, you guys are totally missing it. You should have come to Canton. Hell, we've got the Pro Football Hall of Fame! Well... that's about it. Oh yeah, and the Hoover company.
Actually, I just found out today that I got approved by the realtors for my townhouse. It's about 3 blocks behind Hoover... nice quiet neighborhood. No crackheads, chickenheads, knuckleheads, or rednecks. The neighbor lady has a ceramic pepe lepew in her front yard, and that's about the most offensive thing in sight... $519 a month, includes the gas bill. 1100' sq ft. Dead end street, so no traffic.
I'm moving out of a 1-horse, 1-stoplight town. It's borderline Amish country down here... so it's not like I'm wanting to drop myself in the most "urban" part of town. However, the lure of curvy Prague women... hrm... Tom, did you see any postings for "network admin needed" over there? I've got access to PLENTY of ice cream.
Also, Tom, I'm disappointed that you didn't hit any of the wild underground techno bars - or the criminal underground hangouts like in xXx. And you took NO PICTURES. WTF? Man, if I ever went to europe they'd think I was Japanese. (BTW, those aren't Japanese tourists going camera crazy in LA... they're real estate guys.)
Mark Asher
08-31-2002, 12:22 AM
>I'll stand up for American beer. It's light
You've got to be kidding. It's "light" because it's all water. Much as I'm pro-american, I can't imagine defending its beer.
Sure, but the watery taste is good. It's light. I enjoy the heavier beers, but they make me sleepy. They're hard to take.
Anonymous
08-31-2002, 12:30 AM
I can't imagine that they would sell the same Budwar in the US,since I believe the alcohol content is around 10%.Is that correct?Anyway,it's my favorite beer.Lotsa lovely ladies in Prague,and many of them are American,even.At least that was the case when I was there about 7 years ago......no shortage of Turkish whores who try to swipe yer wallet while propositioning you,either......
Mark Asher
08-31-2002, 12:33 AM
Yeah, but I'd pit several American microbrews against the finest German beers any day of the week. Warm or cold. St. Louis has some of the best beer in the world, it just didn't come from Anheiser Busch.
AB owns or has an interest in tons of breweries. Also, under the Michelob label, they put out several different beers designed to compete with Sam Adams, Pete's Wicked Ale, etc., that are pretty good.
Supertanker
08-31-2002, 01:54 AM
Sure, but the watery taste is good. It's light. I enjoy the heavier beers, but they make me sleepy. They're hard to take.
I can understand a difference in flavor preference, but darker beers often have less alcohol. Nobody believes me when I tell them Guinness is a light beer. Here is a sampling of alcohol content I pulled from various parts of www.realbeer.com :
Budweiser - 4.7% alcohol by volume.
Bud Light - 4.3% abv
Bud Ice - 5.5% abv
Corona - 4.8% abv
Miller Lite - 4.2% abv
Guinness Draft - 4.1% abv
Casper
08-31-2002, 04:39 AM
just wanted to chime in here as the friend who put tom up and put up with tom for two weeks.
First of all, the castle is called Prazky Hrad (prague castle) and it's in the area of the city called Hradcany. The bridge is called Karlov Most (charles bridge).
Second of all, I just want to point out that my mishap with telling everyone that I had female genitalia, while funny, was not as funny as Tom trying to say "Next stop, Albertov," in czech. "Preezneesty Deesty, Albertov." Also, tom said "Dekuji" to the woman giving him a starbucks coffee at the san francisco airport. that's czeck for "thank you." Granted he had suffered through a 10 hour flight next to a screaming baby, but all the same...
All in all, it was great having him here but it made me miss going to shoot club. And having a computer at home that I can play games on. I'm really missing VATSIM...very very much. And Battlefields 1942.
Brian
Bub, Andrew
08-31-2002, 06:57 AM
AB owns or has an interest in tons of breweries. Also, under the Michelob label, they put out several different beers designed to compete with Sam Adams, Pete's Wicked Ale, etc., that are pretty good.
Sam Adams and Pete's Wicked Ale aren't Microbreweries.
Troy S Goodfellow
09-03-2002, 07:07 AM
I've been in the US for four months now, and I can't find a really good beer anywhere - at least nothing that compares to Canadian stuff.
The Capital City Brewing Company has some nice microbrews, but they aren't sold outside of the pubs I fear. I'd give my left pinky finger for some Upper Canada Dark Ale or even an Alpine.
Glad you had a nice trip, Tom. I'll have to add Prague to my list of "cities I should visit."
Bub, Andrew
09-03-2002, 07:22 AM
TSG, microbrew tastes tend to be very regional but that doesn't mean anything anymore. You'll find the Canadian style (the Cannuck dark beers you mention are actually more Scandanavian in flavor - "Canadian beer" is more pale and malty (like Molson)) if you look hard enough. Here in Wisconsin I could point you toward some great dark full bodied beer. Locally you should look for one of those high falutin' liquor stores and start by telling the owner you like Capital City and name drop the Canadian beers you like. Go from there.
Or, find a place that caters to home brewers and start asking the people there "What local beers taste like Alpine?" "Where can I buy that?". I'd be very surprised if you can't get what you're looking for somewhere nearby.
Bonus: you get to keep your pinky
Bernie_Dy
09-03-2002, 08:57 AM
Hrm...well, if the games market doesn't get any better, Tom can start writing travel guides. :idea:
wumpus
09-03-2002, 02:31 PM
The only thing worse worse than wine snobs is.. beer snobs.
Heineken? Fuck that shit! Pabst Blue Ribbon!
Bub, Andrew
09-03-2002, 02:51 PM
Oh yes Wumpus, I am a beer snob. But I spend most of my beer money on Miller High Life these days. Those yummy heavy beers I love so much are bad to drink when it's hot. I save them for winter time.
Then again maybe High Life is snobby too... it is "The Champagne of Beers."
Oh, here's how snobby I am. Heinekin is piss.
Jason Levine
09-03-2002, 03:09 PM
My father-in-law, being of Bohemian extraction, introduced me to Pilsner Urquell, a product of Pilzn, Czech Republic, which bills itself as the world's orginal Pilsner beer (makes sense). I've never had a better bottled beer (as far as I know that's the only way its'a available in the States), and, if I ever get an opportunity like Tom's, I damned well intend to find out what it tastes like on tap.
Ben Sones
09-03-2002, 03:29 PM
I guess that makes me pretty awful, since I am both a wine AND a beer snob (if you equate "snob" to "liking wine and beer that doesn't taste like crap," as wumpus apparently does).
Anonymous
09-03-2002, 04:39 PM
Thus quoth the Wumpus:
"The only thing worse worse than wine snobs is.. beer snobs."
Where do anti-Ghost Recon FPS snobs fit into that equation?
Anonymous
09-03-2002, 04:40 PM
Not to mention video card snobs!
Anonymous
09-03-2002, 07:41 PM
My father-in-law, being of Bohemian extraction, introduced me to Pilsner Urquell, a product of Pilzn, Czech Republic
Plzen.
Supertanker
09-03-2002, 11:01 PM
I guess that makes me pretty awful, since I am both a wine AND a beer snob (if you equate "snob" to "liking wine and beer that doesn't taste like crap," as wumpus apparently does).
Oh yeah? I'm a wine, beer, AND cigar snob.
Jason Levine
09-04-2002, 10:02 AM
My father-in-law, being of Bohemian extraction, introduced me to Pilsner Urquell, a product of Pilzn, Czech Republic
Plzen.
Well, I knew there was a vowel missing somewhere. :?
Troy S Goodfellow
09-04-2002, 10:34 AM
TSG, microbrew tastes tend to be very regional but that doesn't mean anything anymore. You'll find the Canadian style (the Cannuck dark beers you mention are actually more Scandanavian in flavor - "Canadian beer" is more pale and malty (like Molson)) if you look hard enough. Here in Wisconsin I could point you toward some great dark full bodied beer. Locally you should look for one of those high falutin' liquor stores and start by telling the owner you like Capital City and name drop the Canadian beers you like. Go from there.
Or, find a place that caters to home brewers and start asking the people there "What local beers taste like Alpine?" "Where can I buy that?". I'd be very surprised if you can't get what you're looking for somewhere nearby.
Bonus: you get to keep your pinky
I'll give it a shot, Bub. I can easily find the mass produced Canadian beers here (Molson Canadian, Labatt's Blue) but nothing too exotic. I'll have to go into DC to find a great selection, as I'm too close to a university to find anything beyond the bargain basement.
Canadian beers are also very regional, especially considering the internal trade barriers between provinces. Alpine, for instance, is Atlantic Canadian only, as are many of the Moosehead products.
Canadian wines are also absent, except for the overpriced and overrated Ice Wines.
I do like Sam Adams, though. I had a few last week and they went down fine while teaching a friend Europa Universalis.
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