Suicide or Homicide

[XPav]

I just saw this on Google News.

http://www.pavloff.net/suicide_or_homicide.gif

Fox news sure buys the President's talking points, even if they're just stupid, don't they.

[Lizard_King]

Fox news sure buys the President's talking points, even if they're just stupid, don't they.

Um, what?

[Midnight Son]

Foxnews: Because Rupert said so!

[XPav]

Bush said a while back that they weren't suicide bombers, they were homicide bombers!

[Midnight Son]

Hey, ol' Rupe knows where his taxcuts are coming from!! Has any of that trickled down to the Fox employees, yet?

[Kalle]

Homicide bomber. A bomber that kills people? Must be the dumbest re-definition of a word I've seen, especially since it is such a broad definition that it just as readily fits Tim McVeigh or the Unabomber as it does middle eastern terrorists.

[Jason McCullough]

I think Fox, Worldnetdaily, and the WA Times are the only places using the new description.

[bmulligan]

So, whom do we blame for the old description? Are they stupid too? I'm wondering what your standards are...........

[Midnight Son]

Black Jack, nobody said there was anything wrong with the old description except YOUR BOY, Dubya. His asskissing lackeys followed suit; no doubt impressed by his brilliance.

[DennyA]

Maybe they could just call them "death bombers?"

[bago]

bus-stop bombers?
jew-bombers?
civillian-bombers?
maximum-casualty-bombers?

[bmulligan]

Maybe they should just call them 'Palestinian bombers' and we should all ridicule the liberal slant to make them into martyrs and victims of suicide.

[bago]

Or, on a more introspective note, instead of listing the target, listing the source.

Semtex-Vest bombers?

[Midnight Son]

Maybe we should call them "suicide bombers" instead of painting them with the "Palestinian" brush. Heck, some might be from *gasp* Saudi Arabia.

[Rywill]

Black Jack, nobody said there was anything wrong with the old description except YOUR BOY, Dubya. His asskissing lackeys followed suit; no doubt impressed by his brilliance.
I think his point was that calling them "suicide bombers" is no more or less accurate than calling them "homicide bombers." The whole controversy is just dumb--everyone knows that a "suicide bomber" is someone who kills innocent civilians. I don't understand why Bush wants to make such a big deal over what they're called. It's dumb. Like Americans are suddenly going to go, "Oh--homicide bombers. I thought these guys were just killing themselves, like those Buddhist monks during Vietnam."

[Jason McCullough]

Maybe they should just call them 'Palestinian bombers' and we should all ridicule the liberal slant to make them into martyrs and victims of suicide.

Christ, you fool, the term (http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:vIKjYc_lKr4J:www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bombing+history+term+suicide+bombers&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) "suicide bomber" wasn't invented or popularized by liberals. Conservatives are the ones trying to do a conscious shift in terminology for political reasons.

They're attackers who differ themselves from other kinds by killing them in the process, and that's why they were initially called suicide bombers, as opposed to the regular old kind that blows themselves up; end of discussion.

And "homicide bomber" isn't more accurate than "suicide bomber"; bomber already includes homicide/arson in the description. If they just want to start calling them "bombing attacks" and "bombers" because they don't think the suicide part is particularly noteworthy, fine, but slapping "homicide" on the front is a bit like calling a murderer a "homicide murderer." As opposed to the kind of terrorist bomber that doesn't kill people, I guess.

[triggercut]

"homicide bombers" is about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen.

Faux News continues to amaze with their ability to continue to perpetuate the lies of this administration.

Ought rename themselves TASS instead...

[Midnight Son]

... or Pravda US.

[Brian Koontz]

I think his point was that calling them "suicide bombers" is no more or less accurate than calling them "homicide bombers." The whole controversy is just dumb--everyone knows that a "suicide bomber" is someone who kills innocent civilians. I don't understand why Bush wants to make such a big deal over what they're called. It's dumb. Like Americans are suddenly going to go, "Oh--homicide bombers. I thought these guys were just killing themselves, like those Buddhist monks during Vietnam."

You are far, FAR too sane for this world, friend. Here, strap one of these bomb jackets on and go out in style.

Unlike the "Bush ferrets Bin Laden family away" crusade, this one has merit. Fuck Bush up the ass, boys!

"Homicide bomber"... Sheesh. If we get the administration hooked on crack it would be an improvement.

Is anyone counting down the days till the next election?

[voltaic]

I'm surprised some QT3'ers haven't started calling them "Palestinian commandos solving the Israel problem" yet. I prefer "homicidal jackass". It doesn't sound quite as selfless or not-so-bad as "suicide bomber".

[Mark Asher]

So, whom do we blame for the old description? Are they stupid too? I'm wondering what your standards are...........

Suicide bombers seems like an apt name -- they blow themselves up in the process. Homicide bombers -- that could be anyone planting a bomb, couldn't it?

[Machfive]

Suicide bombers seems like an apt name -- they blow themselves up in the process. Homicide bombers -- that could be anyone planting a bomb, couldn't it?[/quote]

Not to mention it sounds Anders-level gay.

Say it out loud. Homocide Bomber.

Aside from rolling off the tongue much less nicely than Suicide Bomber, tt's a wee bit redundant, isn't it? I mean, by the very definition, don't bombers plant bombs with the intent to cause death and injury? Do bombers ever plant bombs for humanitarian reasons?

[XPav]

Smart people who also think Homicide Bomber sounds ghey. (http://volokh.blogspot.com/2002_11_17_volokh_archive.html#85705142)

[Machfive]

The hell, Xpav?

From the site you linked:


UPDATE: Many readers disagree with me -- as I suspected some might.

Who in their right, left, or empty fucking mind would think "homicide bomber" isn't the most ridiculous idea to come out of the White House since the DMCA*?

* I say the DMCA since I think 90% of us can agree they went to far with it, and if I say something like "Brady Bill" or "Affirmative Action," I'm bound to piss off someone on either side of the political fence.

[Chris Nahr]

Looks like the American right has finally caught on to the whole political correctness thing. Should be amusing a decade or two from now when two rival media camps use mutually incomprehensible variants of the English language...

[Anders Hallin]

Suicide bombers seems like an apt name -- they blow themselves up in the process. Homicide bombers -- that could be anyone planting a bomb, couldn't it?

Not to mention it sounds Anders-level gay.
Please, give me a little credit. I have some level of taste, at least.

[bmulligan]

Christ, you fool, the term "suicide bomber" wasn't invented or popularized by liberals. Conservatives are the ones trying to do a conscious shift in terminology for political reasons.



Hey I'm just trying to provide 'equal time' to your left field rants about conservatives using the language for political posturing. Christ, you don't think allpoliticians do the same thing? Let's open the lock box to make a contract on america to build a bridge for fostering peace and prosperity. They all stake their claim on dumb catch phrases that atempt to color peoples viewpoints. Liberals are no exception. Have a coke and a smile.

[Rywill]

Do bombers ever plant bombs for humanitarian reasons?Non-terrorist bombers might destroy things like railway junctions, power lines, etc. IIRC there was a lot of that from special forces in WW2.

[Machfive]

Do bombers ever plant bombs for humanitarian reasons?Non-terrorist bombers might destroy things like railway junctions, power lines, etc. IIRC there was a lot of that from special forces in WW2.

That's military, during war time. We don't call soldiers "killers," even though technically, that's what they do.

[Gunmetal]

victims of suicide.
A victim of your own suicide? I..... I guess....

[Rywill]

Do bombers ever plant bombs for humanitarian reasons?Non-terrorist bombers might destroy things like railway junctions, power lines, etc. IIRC there was a lot of that from special forces in WW2.

That's military, during war time. We don't call soldiers "killers," even though technically, that's what they do.
So? My point is that just as not all bombers are "suicide" bombers, not all of them are "homicide" bombers either. It's interesting how everyone is so inured to Hamas's civilian-killing terrorism that when I say "Hey, they could bomb legitimate targets like infrastructure" the natural response is "Well, that's only appropriate during war." If Hamas were attacking infrastructure and military targets, I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with them as I do now--I'd feel about them the same way that I feel about Israel.

I hope I didn't just summon Tim Elhajj.

[Machfive]

I think you misunderstood. I agree with your point wholeheartedly; if Hamas was killing civilians as a side effect of attacking the military, they might actually be considered legimate soldiers.

[Midnight Son]

I really hope tomorrow, September 11, 2003 will be a peaceful day around the world with no kinds of bombers. Can we agree on that?

[Kyle Wilson]

Fox news sure buys the President's talking points, even if they're just stupid, don't they.

Fox New: Taking the AP Wire, doing a search-and-replace of "suicide" with "homicide", and Capitalizing Every Word in The Title.

[Jason McCullough]

I plant this bomb.....for peace!

[XPav]

Fox news sure buys the President's talking points, even if they're just stupid, don't they.

Fox New: Taking the AP Wire, doing a search-and-replace of "suicide" with "homicide", and Capitalizing Every Word in The Title.

Shit, and we call game 'news' sites lazy for doing Ctrl-C,Ctrl-V.

[Daniel Morris]

Let's just call them "Palestinian commandos."

[Jason McCullough]

Ah, but they're not commandos. At least by the usual definition.....

[bago]

The crack 72-fresh-asses-to-tap-in-heaven-suicide-squad?

[Midnight Son]

Virgins are overrated though. Too much setup time involved. :lol:

[XPav]

Virgins are overrated though. Too much setup time involved. :lol:

I'm also trying to figure out what the women suicide bombers get.

[TimElhajj]

I hope I didn't just summon Tim Elhajj.

Don't get me started.

[nutsak]

What is it with bush renaming shit lately?.

French fries to freedom fries.

Suicide bombers to homocide bombers.

eggh.... we knew what it meant before... just leave it alone!

[Midnight Son]

Bush renaming:

Constitution = Something we just gonna ignore

Alaskan Wildlife Preserve = Strategic Petroleum Reserve

More?

[Bub, Andrew]

AmeriCorps = Defunct