NFL 2009 Week 6

[Shmtur]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Alan Dunkin]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

--- Alan

[Rimbo]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota -- OVERRIDE Rimbot is too close and NO WAY Minnesota loses at home. WARimbot picks Minnesota, too. (Sanity!)
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington -- WARimbot picks KC; honestly, I don't know who to believe. Both teams blow and you couldn't pay me to watch it, even to see some of my favorite Longhorns take the field.
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego -- WHOO GO DONKS http://hphotos-snc1.fbcdn.net/hs257.snc1/10423_1223476381461_1065537562_711149_3105344_n.jp g
I, for one, welcome our new Josh McDaniels-coached overlords

http://rimbosity.com/nfl/

[Sarkus]

My gut reaction is to pick a lot of home teams. History says that will not work out. This will be a tough week to pick. Hmmm.

[Talisker]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Ryan A]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Cubit]

Carolina at Tampa Bay - It is time for the Bucs to win one.
Detroit at Green Bay - I can see the Lions winning this, but it will be close.
St. Louis at Jacksonville - The Jags bounce back from an embarrassment. The Rams are horrible.
Baltimore at Minnesota - Brett Favre keeps rolling.
Houston at Cincinnati - Houston's defense isn't good enough to stop Benson and Palmer.
Kansas City at Washington - The Chiefs have looked better, the Redskins look plain bad. Cassel is a better QB.
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans - This is gonna be a good one.
Cleveland at Pittsburgh - Not even close.
Philadelphia at Oakland - Blowout. If you thought the Giants offense was good against the Raiders...
Arizona at Seattle - This will be a tight game, but Card's D is better and Warner can put up points.
Tennessee at New England - Poor Titans. New England will bounce back big.
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets - Buffalo sucks and the Jets are hungry to get winning again.
Chicago at Atlanta - Great game, could go either way.
Denver at San Diego - I'm not sure about this. I can see the Chargers pulling the upset, especially at home.

[Wallapuctus]

I need to make up for last week.

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay - The Lions will upset another team this season, and it could be this week.
St. Louis at Jacksonville - Rams are crap.
Baltimore at Minnesota - Balitmore's skid continues.
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington - I was pulling for Cassel last week. This week he gets it done.
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans - Hard to say, picking the home team.
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England - Brady bounces back with a vengeance. The Pats hardly ever drop 2 in a row.
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets - Buffalo will put up a fight, but they suck so it won't matter.
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego - The Broncos are for real. Not that you needed me to tell you.

[balut]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[AlanC]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville -- The jags have screwed me every week I think. It'll be no different this week I fear
Baltimore at Minnesota -- The Favre + Purple Jesus = Unstoppable
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England -- Poor Tenn. Hey, at least they're gonna get a good draft pick this year. I recommend they draft a QB. And about 3 WRs.
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[BlueJackalope]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Troy S Goodfellow]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

Troy

[Omniscia]

Carolina at Tampa Bay They both suck, but Carolina sucks more.
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans This'll be a hell of a game!
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England Best 0-6 team ever.
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Mean Dr. Lily]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Jon Rowe]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Yaltan]

Carolina at Tampa Bay - Carolina still sucks but I think they'll come out on top
Detroit at Green Bay - My upset of the week
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota - Poor Ravens
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington - Death spiral
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland - 56 to 10
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[seventimessix]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Dave Perkins]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Shadarr]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Shmtur]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[ColonelT]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[ScubaV]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[BostonBum0]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Sarkus]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Slainte Mhath]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

This is a tough, tough week. Lots of close calls. I'm only picking 4 visiting teams to win, so I'll probably take a beating this week.

[Crispus]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Robert Sharp]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Bill Dungsroman]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Juan Rayo]

Carolina at Tampa Bay - Tempting to go for Carolina but, uh, no.
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans - the Giants are real.
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta --Bears D and Cuttler carry the day! I need no aenesthetics at the dentist!
Denver at San Diego

[Wader]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota - Upset!
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington - I will regret this pick
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans - this will be the best game of the week
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Mr_PeaCH]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington - Is this technically an upset pick?
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego - God help 'em.

[Adam B]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Guido Jones]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[nixon66]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville - Kinda a crap shoot of suckness, but I need MJD to do well!
Baltimore at Minnesota - FAAAAAARVEEEEEEE
Houston at Cincinnati - Gotta stop under estimating them...
Kansas City at Washington - Another suck fest
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle - We're at home.
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta - A pick I think I'll be throwing things at the TV over.
Denver at San Diego - They are away, but this isn't the week the Bronco's loose

[Kraaze]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Greedo]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Cubit]

I'm really waffling on the Carolina/Tampa Bay and Denver/San Diego games.

I really want to pick the Bucs. They suck, but are young and getting better. This is as good a shot as any for them to win.

Also, Denver is better than SD, but they won't go undefeated and I'm seeing a loss Monday night in SD.

[Hanacker]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Kraaze]

Also, Denver is better than SD, but they won't go undefeated and I'm seeing a loss Monday night in SD.

Excellent points but I can't stop thinking that Denver, more so though any other team run by a Belicheck trained coach, plays like the Patriots. That disciplined consistent style of play has always been the bane of San Diego, so I just can't pick against Denver in this one even though I think they aren't as good as their record suggests.

[Matt Bowyer]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Bill Dungsroman]

Excellent points but I can't stop thinking that Denver, more so though any other team run by a Belicheck trained coach, plays like the Patriots. That disciplined consistent style of play has always been the bane of San Diego, so I just can't pick against Denver in this one even though I think they aren't as good as their record suggests.

God dammit I hate that game. It's just the sort of game where San Diego wheezes through the first half, the Broncos let them hang around, and then Philip Rivers goes all PHILIP RIVERRRRS![/LL Cool J] on them and they win in the last second because something stupid happens in the Chargers' favor (like Turner's coaching YES I WENT THERE).

[sluggo]

Wow, lots of home picks for me this week.

Carolina at Tampa Bay - this might be TB's best shot at a win, but I won't pick 'em.
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota - hrm. I smell upset, but I'm chicken.
Houston at Cincinnati - coin flip game #1.
Kansas City at Washington - coin flip game #2. Washington loses and Zorn's out.
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans - only because NO is home.
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets - I'll be shocked if this game is close.
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego - SD routinely underachieves, but I still don't believe in Denver.

[Lorini]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[BennyProfane]

Carolina at Tampa Bay--Carolina is bad, but TB is among the worst
Detroit at Green Bay--GB has got to be pissed after last game. They take it out on a decimated Lions squad
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington--toughest pick of the week, probably
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans--or maybe this is the toughest pick
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta--another angry team. Tough pick though
Denver at San Diego--I guess I'm on the Denver bandwagon atm.

[jeffd]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Not One Of Us]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Shadarr]

Tampa and Washington are two teams that if they just play up to the level of the talent on their roster, could win any game. But they can also lose any game by force of will.

[NatCox]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Xeorn]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[MrFrump]

Carolina at Tampa Bay
Detroit at Green Bay
St. Louis at Jacksonville
Baltimore at Minnesota
Houston at Cincinnati
Kansas City at Washington
N.Y. Giants at New Orleans
Cleveland at Pittsburgh
Philadelphia at Oakland
Arizona at Seattle
Tennessee at New England
Buffalo at N.Y. Jets
Chicago at Atlanta
Denver at San Diego

[Omniscia]

Man, the Vikes are making the Ravens look like chumps.

[sluggo]

I have no idea what to make of this Giants-Saints game. It's on a pace to end 53-47.

[Omniscia]

Way to go, Eli. Now the Saints have the ball back within striking distance of the end zone. Or do they?

EDIT: They do.

[Kraaze]

Not only is this Saints Giants game giving me a headache with all the confusing twists and turns, but I also can't shake my suspicion that Sean Payton is wearing eye makeup.

[Talisker]

1. Adam B 59-17 (78%) JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE CHI DEN
1. Lorini 59-17 (78%) JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN

3. Talisker 57-19 (75%) JAC NO TB MIN GB CIN PIT KC ARI PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN

4. Guido Jones 56-20 (74%) JAC NYG CAR MIN GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE CHI DEN
4. Matt Perkins 56-20 (74%)

6. balut 55-21 (72%) JAC NYG CAR MIN GB CIN PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN
6. Shmtur 55-21 (72%) JAC NYG CAR MIN GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN

8. Crispus 54-22 (71%) JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL SD
8. ScubaV 54-22 (71%) JAC NYG CAR BAL GB CIN PIT WAS ARI PHI NYJ NE CHI DEN

10. Cubit 53-23 (70%) JAC NYG TB MIN GB CIN PIT KC ARI PHI NYJ NE CHI SD
10. NatCox 53-23 (70%) JAC NO CAR GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE CHI SD
10. Slainte Mhath 53-23 (70%) JAC NO CAR BAL GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN

13. AlanC 52-24 (68%) JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN CLE KC ARI PHI NYJ NE CHI DEN
13. BlueJackalope 52-24 (68%) JAC NO CAR BAL GB CIN PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE CHI SD
13. Jon_Danger 52-24 (68%) JAC NYG TB MIN GB CIN PIT KC ARI PHI NYJ NE ATL SD
13. Mean Dr. Lily 52-24 (68%) JAC NYG TB MIN GB CIN PIT WAS ARI PHI BUF NE ATL SD
13. MrFrump 52-24 (68%) JAC NO TB MIN GB CIN PIT KC ARI PHI NYJ NE CHI DEN
13. nixon66 52-24 (68%) JAC NYG CAR MIN GB CIN PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN
13. Wader 52-24 (68%) JAC NYG CAR BAL GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN

20. Alan Dunkin 51-25 (67%) JAC NO TB MIN GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN
20. Bill Dungsroman 51-25 (67%) JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN
20. Kraaze 51-25 (67%) JAC NO TB BAL GB HOU PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN
20. Sarkus 51-25 (67%) JAC NYG CAR MIN GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN

24. ColonelT 50-26 (66%) JAC NYG CAR MIN GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE CHI DEN
24. Juan Rayo 50-26 (66%) JAC NYG TB BAL GB CIN PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE CHI DEN
24. *Rimbot 50-26 (66%) JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN
24. Ryan A 50-26 (66%) JAC NYG CAR MIN GB HOU PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN
24. Wallapuctus 50-26 (66%) JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN PIT KC ARI PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN
24. Yaltan 50-26 (66%) JAC NO CAR MIN DET CIN PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN

30. Kid Socrates 49-27 (64%) JAC NO CAR BAL GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN
30. Omniscia 49-27 (64%) JAC NO TB MIN GB CIN PIT WAS ARI PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN
30. Troy S Goodfellow 49-27 (64%) JAC NYG TB MIN GB CIN PIT KC ARI PHI BUF NE CHI DEN

33. BennyProfane 48-28 (63%) JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN
33. Dave Perkins 48-28 (63%) JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN PIT WAS ARI PHI NYJ NE ATL SD
33. Robert Sharp 48-28 (63%) JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE CHI SD
33. seventimessix 48-28 (63%) JAC NYG CAR MIN GB CIN PIT KC ARI PHI NYJ NE CHI DEN

37. shadarr 47-29 (62%) JAC NO TB BAL DET CIN PIT KC ARI PHI NYJ NE CHI DEN

38. Greedo 45-31 (59%) JAC NYG TB BAL GB CIN PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE CHI SD
38. Hanacker 45-31 (59%) JAC NO CAR BAL DET CIN PIT KC ARI PHI NYJ NE ATL SD
38. Not One Of Us 45-31 (59%) JAC NO CAR BAL GB CIN PIT KC ARI PHI NYJ TEN ATL SD

41. sluggo 42-17 (71%) JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL SD

42. jeffd 40-20 (67%) JAC NYG TB MIN GB CIN PIT WAS SEA PHI NYJ NE CHI DEN

43. BostonBum0 39-23 (63%) JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN CLE WAS ARI PHI NYJ NE CHI DEN

44. Xeorn 37-23 (62%) JAC NYG TB MIN GB CIN PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN

45. Balasarius 33-15 (69%)
45. Mr_PeaCH 33-15 (69%) JAC NO CAR BAL GB CIN PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL SD

47. SolomonGrundy 27-19 (59%)

48. robsam 27-21 (56%)

49. Buceph 19-13 (59%)

50. Xeras 14-2 (88%)

51. sinfony 11-5 (69%)



PEOPLE WITH WRONG # OF PICKS:

NatCox (13)


# of picks per team:

STL 0 @ JAC 44

NYG 18 @ NO 26

CAR 30 @ TB 14

BAL 12 @ MIN 31

DET 3 @ GB 41
(DET: Hanacker, shadarr, Yaltan)

HOU 2 @ CIN 42
(HOU: Kraaze, Ryan A)

CLE 2 @ PIT 42
(CLE: AlanC, BostonBum0)

KC 23 @ WAS 21

ARI 16 @ SEA 28

PHI 44 @ OAK 0

BUF 2 @ NYJ 42
(BUF: Mean Dr. Lily, Troy S Goodfellow)

TEN 1 @ NE 43
(TEN: Not One Of Us)

CHI 17 @ ATL 27

DEN 31 @ SD 13

QT3 consensus:
JAC NO CAR MIN GB CIN PIT KC SEA PHI NYJ NE ATL DEN

Maverick ratings:
6: Mean Dr. Lily
5: Cubit, Greedo, ScubaV, shadarr, Troy S Goodfellow
4: BostonBum0, Hanacker, jeffd, Jon_Danger, Juan Rayo, Not One Of Us
3: AlanC, BlueJackalope, ColonelT, Dave Perkins, Guido Jones, Kraaze, MrFrump, NatCox, Omniscia, Robert Sharp, seventimessix, Wader
2: Adam B, Alan Dunkin, Crispus, Kid Socrates, Mr_PeaCH, Ryan A, Sarkus, Shmtur, Slainte Mhath, sluggo, Talisker, Xeorn
1: *Rimbot, balut, Lorini, nixon66, Wallapuctus, Yaltan
0: BennyProfane, Bill Dungsroman

No picks entered: Balasarius; Buceph; Matt Perkins; robsam; sinfony; SolomonGrundy; Xeras

[Omniscia]

So, the Skins finally switched QBs, to start the second half. I wonder what else they'll shake up?

[sluggo]

Rodgers is currently 24-28 for 290 yards against Detroit.

There are 9 minutes left in the THIRD QUARTER.

[Cubit]

God dammit Giants.

[Omniscia]

I was expecting that game to be much closer...

[Greedo]

Wow . . . and the Ravens just grabbed the lead with 3:37 left.

[Woolen Horde]

The Vikings are melting down.

[sluggo]

Brett Favre, are you kidding me? Wow.

[AlanT]

Rooting against the Redskins continues to yield unalloyed pleasure.

[Cubit]

I'm having a horrible day picking...

[sluggo]

IT'S NO GOOD!

[Woolen Horde]

Wow, Vikings dodge a huge bullet, but Brad Childress is going to tear some heads off of some of his defensive players. They got SHREDDED in the fourth.

[Cubit]

IT'S NO GOOD!

YEAH! Way to sneak out a win, Vikings.

[Ryan A]

OH COME ON SEATTLE

[Talisker]

PRELIM WEEK 6 RESULTS

1. BennyProfane 7-1 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
1. Bill Dungsroman 7-1 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
1. Ryan A 7-1 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
1. Wallapuctus 7-1 PHI ARI NE NYJ ATL DEN

5. Adam B 6-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI DEN
5. AlanC 6-2 PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI DEN
5. balut 6-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
5. BlueJackalope 6-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI SD
5. Crispus 6-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL SD
5. Dave Perkins 6-2 PHI ARI NE NYJ ATL SD
5. Kraaze 6-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
5. Lorini 6-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
5. Mr_PeaCH 6-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL SD
5. MrFrump 6-2 PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI DEN
5. nixon66 6-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
5. Not One Of Us 6-2 PHI ARI TEN NYJ ATL SD
5. *Rimbot 6-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
5. Robert Sharp 6-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI SD
5. seventimessix 6-2 PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI DEN
5. sluggo 6-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL SD
5. Talisker 6-2 PHI ARI NE NYJ ATL DEN
5. Yaltan 6-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN

23. NatCox 5-2 PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI SD

24. Alan Dunkin 5-3 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
24. BostonBum0 5-3 PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI DEN
24. ColonelT 5-3 PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI DEN
24. Cubit 5-3 PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI SD
24. Guido Jones 5-3 PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI DEN
24. Hanacker 5-3 PHI ARI NE NYJ ATL SD
24. Jon_Danger 5-3 PHI ARI NE NYJ ATL SD
24. Kid Socrates 5-3 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
24. Omniscia 5-3 PHI ARI NE NYJ ATL DEN
24. Sarkus 5-3 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
24. Shmtur 5-3 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
24. Slainte Mhath 5-3 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
24. Troy S Goodfellow 5-3 PHI ARI NE BUF CHI DEN
24. Xeorn 5-3 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN

38. Greedo 4-4 PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI SD
38. jeffd 4-4 PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI DEN
38. Juan Rayo 4-4 PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI DEN
38. Mean Dr. Lily 4-4 PHI ARI NE BUF ATL SD
38. ScubaV 4-4 PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI DEN
38. shadarr 4-4 PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI DEN
38. Wader 4-4 PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN

45. Balasarius 0-0
45. Buceph 0-0
45. Matt Perkins 0-0
45. robsam 0-0
45. sinfony 0-0
45. SolomonGrundy 0-0
45. Xeras 0-0



PRELIM WEEK 6 SEASON TOTALS

1. Adam B 65-19 (77%) PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI DEN
1. Lorini 65-19 (77%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN

3. Talisker 63-21 (75%) PHI ARI NE NYJ ATL DEN

4. balut 61-23 (73%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
4. Guido Jones 61-23 (73%) PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI DEN

6. Crispus 60-24 (71%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL SD
6. Shmtur 60-24 (71%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN

8. NatCox 58-25 (70%) PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI SD

9. AlanC 58-26 (69%) PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI DEN
9. Bill Dungsroman 58-26 (69%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
9. BlueJackalope 58-26 (69%) PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI SD
9. Cubit 58-26 (69%) PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI SD
9. MrFrump 58-26 (69%) PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI DEN
9. nixon66 58-26 (69%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
9. ScubaV 58-26 (69%) PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI DEN
9. Slainte Mhath 58-26 (69%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN

17. Jon_Danger 57-27 (68%) PHI ARI NE NYJ ATL SD
17. Kraaze 57-27 (68%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
17. Ryan A 57-27 (68%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
17. Wallapuctus 57-27 (68%) PHI ARI NE NYJ ATL DEN

21. Matt Perkins 56-20 (74%)

22. Alan Dunkin 56-28 (67%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
22. Mean Dr. Lily 56-28 (67%) PHI ARI NE BUF ATL SD
22. *Rimbot 56-28 (67%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
22. Sarkus 56-28 (67%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
22. Wader 56-28 (67%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
22. Yaltan 56-28 (67%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN

28. BennyProfane 55-29 (65%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
28. ColonelT 55-29 (65%) PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI DEN

30. Dave Perkins 54-30 (64%) PHI ARI NE NYJ ATL SD
30. Juan Rayo 54-30 (64%) PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI DEN
30. Kid Socrates 54-30 (64%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN
30. Omniscia 54-30 (64%) PHI ARI NE NYJ ATL DEN
30. Robert Sharp 54-30 (64%) PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI SD
30. seventimessix 54-30 (64%) PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI DEN
30. Troy S Goodfellow 54-30 (64%) PHI ARI NE BUF CHI DEN

37. Not One Of Us 51-33 (61%) PHI ARI TEN NYJ ATL SD
37. shadarr 51-33 (61%) PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI DEN

39. Hanacker 50-34 (60%) PHI ARI NE NYJ ATL SD

40. Greedo 49-35 (58%) PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI SD

41. sluggo 48-19 (72%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL SD

42. jeffd 44-24 (65%) PHI SEA NE NYJ CHI DEN

43. BostonBum0 44-26 (63%) PHI ARI NE NYJ CHI DEN

44. Xeorn 42-26 (62%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN

45. Mr_PeaCH 39-17 (70%) PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL SD

46. Balasarius 33-15 (69%)

47. SolomonGrundy 27-19 (59%)

48. robsam 27-21 (56%)

49. Buceph 19-13 (59%)

50. Xeras 14-2 (88%)

51. sinfony 11-5 (69%)



PEOPLE WITH WRONG # OF PICKS:

NatCox (13)


# of picks per team:

HOU 2 @ CIN 42
(HOU: Kraaze, Ryan A)

DET 3 @ GB 41
(DET: Hanacker, shadarr, Yaltan)

STL 0 @ JAC 44

BAL 12 @ MIN 31

NYG 18 @ NO 26

CLE 2 @ PIT 42
(CLE: AlanC, BostonBum0)

CAR 30 @ TB 14

KC 23 @ WAS 21

PHI 44 @ OAK 0

ARI 16 @ SEA 28

TEN 1 @ NE 43
(TEN: Not One Of Us)

BUF 2 @ NYJ 42
(BUF: Mean Dr. Lily, Troy S Goodfellow)

CHI 17 @ ATL 27

DEN 31 @ SD 13

QT3 consensus:
CIN GB JAC MIN NO PIT CAR KC PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN

Maverick ratings:
6: Mean Dr. Lily
5: Cubit, Greedo, ScubaV, shadarr, Troy S Goodfellow
4: BostonBum0, Hanacker, jeffd, Jon_Danger, Juan Rayo, Not One Of Us
3: AlanC, BlueJackalope, ColonelT, Dave Perkins, Guido Jones, Kraaze, MrFrump, NatCox, Omniscia, Robert Sharp, seventimessix, Wader
2: Adam B, Alan Dunkin, Crispus, Kid Socrates, Mr_PeaCH, Ryan A, Sarkus, Shmtur, Slainte Mhath, sluggo, Talisker, Xeorn
1: *Rimbot, balut, Lorini, nixon66, Wallapuctus, Yaltan
0: BennyProfane, Bill Dungsroman

No picks entered: Balasarius; Buceph; Matt Perkins; robsam; sinfony; SolomonGrundy; Xeras

[Wader]

Man, this week is gonna kill me. Stupid Ravens... and Giants... and Redskins...

[Rimbo]

I think WARimbot might be a slightly better algorithm, but I don't have a sample size large enough to really judge, still.

[Cubit]

Patriots lead the Titans 38-0 in the first half....

The Titans have flat out quit this season.

[Eightball]

Rooting against the Redskins continues to yield unalloyed pleasure.

Do you also like to tease kids with Down's Syndrome, or knock over people in wheelchairs?

[BennyProfane]

Patriots lead the Titans 38-0 in the first half....

The Titans have flat out quit this season.

Now 45-0. Apparently an NFL record, 5 touchdown passes in a single quarter for Brady.

The Titans are just flat bad.

I wish they'd give us a different game in the 2nd half.

[BennyProfane]

Do you also like to tease kids with Down's Syndrome, or knock over people in wheelchairs?

Most people with Down's or who are disabled aren't earning millions of dollars to suck that badly.

[sluggo]

Stat of the week: The Redskins have played 6 games so far, against the:

0-0 Giants
0-1 Rams
0-2 Lions
0-3 Bucs
0-4 Panthers
0-5 Chiefs

That's kind of remarkable. What's sad is that they're 2-4.

[Cubit]

Now 45-0. Apparently an NFL record, 5 touchdown passes in a single quarter for Brady.

52-0 early in the 3rd.

p.s. How in the hell are the Eagles losing?

[sluggo]

59-0 and about to be 0-6. This was a team that started 10-0 in 2008. The mind boggles.

And Buffalo is about to tie the Jets! Whoa!

[Not One Of Us]

How 'bout them Cardinals?

[Talisker]

PRELIM WEEK 6 RESULTS

1. Wallapuctus 9-2 NYJ ATL DEN

2. AlanC 8-3 NYJ CHI DEN
2. BennyProfane 8-3 NYJ ATL DEN
2. Bill Dungsroman 8-3 NYJ ATL DEN
2. Dave Perkins 8-3 NYJ ATL SD
2. MrFrump 8-3 NYJ CHI DEN
2. Ryan A 8-3 NYJ ATL DEN
2. seventimessix 8-3 NYJ CHI DEN
2. Talisker 8-3 NYJ ATL DEN

10. Adam B 7-4 NYJ CHI DEN
10. balut 7-4 NYJ ATL DEN
10. BlueJackalope 7-4 NYJ CHI SD
10. BostonBum0 7-4 NYJ CHI DEN
10. Crispus 7-4 NYJ ATL SD
10. Cubit 7-4 NYJ CHI SD
10. Hanacker 7-4 NYJ ATL SD
10. Jon_Danger 7-4 NYJ ATL SD
10. Kraaze 7-4 NYJ ATL DEN
10. Lorini 7-4 NYJ ATL DEN
10. Mr_PeaCH 7-4 NYJ ATL SD
10. nixon66 7-4 NYJ ATL DEN
10. Not One Of Us 7-4 NYJ ATL SD
10. Omniscia 7-4 NYJ ATL DEN
10. *Rimbot 7-4 NYJ ATL DEN
10. Robert Sharp 7-4 NYJ CHI SD
10. sluggo 7-4 NYJ ATL SD
10. Troy S Goodfellow 7-4 BUF CHI DEN
10. Yaltan 7-4 NYJ ATL DEN

29. NatCox 6-4 NYJ CHI SD

30. Alan Dunkin 6-5 NYJ ATL DEN
30. ColonelT 6-5 NYJ CHI DEN
30. Guido Jones 6-5 NYJ CHI DEN
30. Kid Socrates 6-5 NYJ ATL DEN
30. Mean Dr. Lily 6-5 BUF ATL SD
30. Sarkus 6-5 NYJ ATL DEN
30. ScubaV 6-5 NYJ CHI DEN
30. shadarr 6-5 NYJ CHI DEN
30. Shmtur 6-5 NYJ ATL DEN
30. Slainte Mhath 6-5 NYJ ATL DEN
30. Xeorn 6-5 NYJ ATL DEN

41. Greedo 5-6 NYJ CHI SD
41. jeffd 5-6 NYJ CHI DEN
41. Juan Rayo 5-6 NYJ CHI DEN
41. Wader 5-6 NYJ ATL DEN

45. Balasarius 0-0
45. Buceph 0-0
45. Matt Perkins 0-0
45. robsam 0-0
45. sinfony 0-0
45. SolomonGrundy 0-0
45. Xeras 0-0



PRELIM WEEK 6 SEASON TOTALS

1. Adam B 66-21 (76%) NYJ CHI DEN
1. Lorini 66-21 (76%) NYJ ATL DEN

3. Talisker 65-22 (75%) NYJ ATL DEN

4. balut 62-25 (71%) NYJ ATL DEN
4. Guido Jones 62-25 (71%) NYJ CHI DEN

6. Crispus 61-26 (70%) NYJ ATL SD
6. Shmtur 61-26 (70%) NYJ ATL DEN

8. AlanC 60-27 (69%) NYJ CHI DEN
8. Cubit 60-27 (69%) NYJ CHI SD
8. MrFrump 60-27 (69%) NYJ CHI DEN
8. ScubaV 60-27 (69%) NYJ CHI DEN

12. NatCox 59-27 (69%) NYJ CHI SD

13. Bill Dungsroman 59-28 (68%) NYJ ATL DEN
13. BlueJackalope 59-28 (68%) NYJ CHI SD
13. Jon_Danger 59-28 (68%) NYJ ATL SD
13. nixon66 59-28 (68%) NYJ ATL DEN
13. Slainte Mhath 59-28 (68%) NYJ ATL DEN
13. Wallapuctus 59-28 (68%) NYJ ATL DEN

19. Kraaze 58-29 (67%) NYJ ATL DEN
19. Mean Dr. Lily 58-29 (67%) BUF ATL SD
19. Ryan A 58-29 (67%) NYJ ATL DEN

22. Alan Dunkin 57-30 (66%) NYJ ATL DEN
22. *Rimbot 57-30 (66%) NYJ ATL DEN
22. Sarkus 57-30 (66%) NYJ ATL DEN
22. Wader 57-30 (66%) NYJ ATL DEN
22. Yaltan 57-30 (66%) NYJ ATL DEN

27. Matt Perkins 56-20 (74%)

28. BennyProfane 56-31 (64%) NYJ ATL DEN
28. ColonelT 56-31 (64%) NYJ CHI DEN
28. Dave Perkins 56-31 (64%) NYJ ATL SD
28. Omniscia 56-31 (64%) NYJ ATL DEN
28. seventimessix 56-31 (64%) NYJ CHI DEN
28. Troy S Goodfellow 56-31 (64%) BUF CHI DEN

34. Juan Rayo 55-32 (63%) NYJ CHI DEN
34. Kid Socrates 55-32 (63%) NYJ ATL DEN
34. Robert Sharp 55-32 (63%) NYJ CHI SD

37. shadarr 53-34 (61%) NYJ CHI DEN

38. Hanacker 52-35 (60%) NYJ ATL SD
38. Not One Of Us 52-35 (60%) NYJ ATL SD

40. Greedo 50-37 (57%) NYJ CHI SD

41. sluggo 49-21 (70%) NYJ ATL SD

42. BostonBum0 46-27 (63%) NYJ CHI DEN

43. jeffd 45-26 (63%) NYJ CHI DEN

44. Xeorn 43-28 (61%) NYJ ATL DEN

45. Mr_PeaCH 40-19 (68%) NYJ ATL SD

46. Balasarius 33-15 (69%)

47. SolomonGrundy 27-19 (59%)

48. robsam 27-21 (56%)

49. Buceph 19-13 (59%)

50. Xeras 14-2 (88%)

51. sinfony 11-5 (69%)



PEOPLE WITH WRONG # OF PICKS:

NatCox (13)


# of picks per team:

BAL 12 @ MIN 31

STL 0 @ JAC 44

DET 3 @ GB 41
(DET: Hanacker, shadarr, Yaltan)

HOU 2 @ CIN 42
(HOU: Kraaze, Ryan A)

CLE 2 @ PIT 42
(CLE: AlanC, BostonBum0)

CAR 30 @ TB 14

NYG 18 @ NO 26

KC 23 @ WAS 21

PHI 44 @ OAK 0

ARI 16 @ SEA 28

TEN 1 @ NE 43
(TEN: Not One Of Us)

BUF 2 @ NYJ 42
(BUF: Mean Dr. Lily, Troy S Goodfellow)

CHI 17 @ ATL 27

DEN 31 @ SD 13

QT3 consensus:
MIN JAC GB CIN PIT CAR NO KC PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN

Maverick ratings:
6: Mean Dr. Lily
5: Cubit, Greedo, ScubaV, shadarr, Troy S Goodfellow
4: BostonBum0, Hanacker, jeffd, Jon_Danger, Juan Rayo, Not One Of Us
3: AlanC, BlueJackalope, ColonelT, Dave Perkins, Guido Jones, Kraaze, MrFrump, NatCox, Omniscia, Robert Sharp, seventimessix, Wader
2: Adam B, Alan Dunkin, Crispus, Kid Socrates, Mr_PeaCH, Ryan A, Sarkus, Shmtur, Slainte Mhath, sluggo, Talisker, Xeorn
1: *Rimbot, balut, Lorini, nixon66, Wallapuctus, Yaltan
0: BennyProfane, Bill Dungsroman

No picks entered: Balasarius; Buceph; Matt Perkins; robsam; sinfony; SolomonGrundy; Xeras

[Cubit]

This Jets/Bills game is hard for me to watch. Both teams have been stinking it up the whole game. At least the Jets might pull out the OT win...maybe?

edit: :(

[Lorini]

I think Sanchez needs to read less of his press and more of how to actually throw passes to his own receivers.

[arctangent]

I don't get to say this often, but GO BILLS!!!!

Thanks for your patience and understanding, :D

[Eightball]

Most people with Down's or who are disabled aren't earning millions of dollars to suck that badly.

Take my point a bit literally did you? Here, I'll spell it out for you.

I'm surprised he takes so much pleasure in rooting against a really bad team. It's like enjoying the Lions losing 19 games straight (yo Redskins, thanks for breaking that streak), or cheering against the Rams right now.

Where's the challenge?

[BennyProfane]

Take my point a bit literally did you? Here, I'll spell it out for you.

I'm surprised he takes so much pleasure in rooting against a really bad team. It's like enjoying the Lions losing 19 games straight (yo Redskins, thanks for breaking that streak), or cheering against the Rams right now.

Where's the challenge?

Heh yeah, did take that one a bit literally. its hard to tell on here sometimes how serious people are.

And speaking of the Lions, given how bad their injury problems are, it is entirely possilbe they won't win another game this season. 1-31, anyone?

[Cubit]

Jim Zorn was stripped of play-calling duties after the game today.

[Robert Sharp]

As a Titans fan, I'm proud to have been witness to such a historical game.

[Shmtur]

As a Titans fan, I'm proud to have been witness to such a historical game.

I find your lack of rage disturbing.

[robsam]

The Titans...yech. I like Jeff Fisher, I feel bad for him, but I just can't bring myself to like the Titans, I hate it when franchises move/are stolen, and they are still the Houston Oilers to me. That said, I certainly felt no joy as they got their asses handed to them today. Truly awful.

I have to admit I like the Falcons post-Vick, they seem to have a strong GM, strong head coach, they are disciplined on both sides of the ball. They might be my second favorite NFL team, which is amazing since I normally hate everyone but the Cowboys...and lately I'm hating on them... ;)

[Alan Dunkin]

Jim Zorn was stripped of play-calling duties after the game today.

Next his clothes!

The Redskins are the Redskins, I don't give a turd about them and wouldn't mind if they lose the next 100 games, let alone the rest of the season.

Yes, the non-rage against the Titans really is disturbing. You do get numb after awhile though...

--- Alan

[AlanT]

I'm surprised he takes so much pleasure in rooting against a really bad team. It's like enjoying the Lions losing 19 games straight (yo Redskins, thanks for breaking that streak), or cheering against the Rams right now.

Where's the challenge?
It's a lot more fun that rooting for such a bad team (if you don't believe me, try it!). And I did in fact use to root for the Redskins, but they've been an such an offputting team in every way for the last decade or so, from the management to the players to the fans (and even to the press coverage, until this year). Their lack of skill on the field is by no means the whole story.

[AlanC]

CLE 2 @ PIT 42
(CLE: AlanC, BostonBum0)


What the hell was I thinking?

The titans have a bye week next and after that their remaining schedule is:

Jacksonville
@San Fran
Buffalo
@Houston
Arizona
@Indy
St Louis
Miami
San Diego
@Seattle

Ouch. They may only get 2 wins.

[nixon66]

@Seattle

Ouch. They may only get 2 wins.

Maybe 3 if they play like they did today!

[Yaltan]

WTH was I thinking picking Detroit?

All my other bad picks I feel are decent upsets which I don't feel too bad about. Really, the Bills? Oakland?

[Omniscia]

Wait, Oakland, what? They won? WTF, Eagles!

[Cubit]

Jay Cutler can really throw a pretty ball when he wants to.

[Talisker]

PRELIM WEEK 6 RESULTS

1. Wallapuctus 10-3 DEN

2. BennyProfane 9-4 DEN
2. Bill Dungsroman 9-4 DEN
2. Dave Perkins 9-4 SD
2. Ryan A 9-4 DEN
2. Talisker 9-4 DEN

7. AlanC 8-5 DEN
7. balut 8-5 DEN
7. Crispus 8-5 SD
7. Hanacker 8-5 SD
7. Jon_Danger 8-5 SD
7. Kraaze 8-5 DEN
7. Lorini 8-5 DEN
7. Mean Dr. Lily 8-5 SD
7. Mr_PeaCH 8-5 SD
7. MrFrump 8-5 DEN
7. nixon66 8-5 DEN
7. Not One Of Us 8-5 SD
7. Omniscia 8-5 DEN
7. *Rimbot 8-5 DEN
7. seventimessix 8-5 DEN
7. sluggo 8-5 SD
7. Troy S Goodfellow 8-5 DEN
7. Yaltan 8-5 DEN

25. Adam B 7-6 DEN
25. Alan Dunkin 7-6 DEN
25. BlueJackalope 7-6 SD
25. BostonBum0 7-6 DEN
25. Cubit 7-6 SD
25. Kid Socrates 7-6 DEN
25. Robert Sharp 7-6 SD
25. Sarkus 7-6 DEN
25. Shmtur 7-6 DEN
25. Slainte Mhath 7-6 DEN
25. Xeorn 7-6 DEN

36. NatCox 6-6 SD

37. ColonelT 6-7 DEN
37. Guido Jones 6-7 DEN
37. ScubaV 6-7 DEN
37. shadarr 6-7 DEN
37. Wader 6-7 DEN

42. Greedo 5-8 SD
42. jeffd 5-8 DEN
42. Juan Rayo 5-8 DEN

45. Balasarius 0-0
45. Buceph 0-0
45. Matt Perkins 0-0
45. robsam 0-0
45. sinfony 0-0
45. SolomonGrundy 0-0
45. Xeras 0-0



PRELIM WEEK 6 SEASON TOTALS

1. Lorini 67-22 (75%) DEN

2. Adam B 66-23 (74%) DEN
2. Talisker 66-23 (74%) DEN

4. balut 63-26 (71%) DEN

5. Crispus 62-27 (70%) SD
5. Guido Jones 62-27 (70%) DEN
5. Shmtur 62-27 (70%) DEN

8. AlanC 60-29 (67%) DEN
8. Bill Dungsroman 60-29 (67%) DEN
8. Cubit 60-29 (67%) SD
8. Jon_Danger 60-29 (67%) SD
8. Mean Dr. Lily 60-29 (67%) SD
8. MrFrump 60-29 (67%) DEN
8. nixon66 60-29 (67%) DEN
8. ScubaV 60-29 (67%) DEN
8. Slainte Mhath 60-29 (67%) DEN
8. Wallapuctus 60-29 (67%) DEN

18. NatCox 59-29 (67%) SD

19. BlueJackalope 59-30 (66%) SD
19. Kraaze 59-30 (66%) DEN
19. Ryan A 59-30 (66%) DEN

22. Alan Dunkin 58-31 (65%) DEN
22. *Rimbot 58-31 (65%) DEN
22. Sarkus 58-31 (65%) DEN
22. Wader 58-31 (65%) DEN
22. Yaltan 58-31 (65%) DEN

27. BennyProfane 57-32 (64%) DEN
27. Dave Perkins 57-32 (64%) SD
27. Omniscia 57-32 (64%) DEN
27. Troy S Goodfellow 57-32 (64%) DEN

31. Matt Perkins 56-20 (74%)

32. ColonelT 56-33 (63%) DEN
32. Kid Socrates 56-33 (63%) DEN
32. seventimessix 56-33 (63%) DEN

35. Juan Rayo 55-34 (62%) DEN
35. Robert Sharp 55-34 (62%) SD

37. Hanacker 53-36 (60%) SD
37. Not One Of Us 53-36 (60%) SD
37. shadarr 53-36 (60%) DEN

40. sluggo 50-22 (69%) SD

41. Greedo 50-39 (56%) SD

42. BostonBum0 46-29 (61%) DEN

43. jeffd 45-28 (62%) DEN

44. Xeorn 44-29 (60%) DEN

45. Mr_PeaCH 41-20 (67%) SD

46. Balasarius 33-15 (69%)

47. SolomonGrundy 27-19 (59%)

48. robsam 27-21 (56%)

49. Buceph 19-13 (59%)

50. Xeras 14-2 (88%)

51. sinfony 11-5 (69%)



PEOPLE WITH WRONG # OF PICKS:

NatCox (13)


# of picks per team:

HOU 2 @ CIN 42
(HOU: Kraaze, Ryan A)

DET 3 @ GB 41
(DET: Hanacker, shadarr, Yaltan)

STL 0 @ JAC 44

BAL 12 @ MIN 31

NYG 18 @ NO 26

CLE 2 @ PIT 42
(CLE: AlanC, BostonBum0)

CAR 30 @ TB 14

KC 23 @ WAS 21

PHI 44 @ OAK 0

ARI 16 @ SEA 28

TEN 1 @ NE 43
(TEN: Not One Of Us)

BUF 2 @ NYJ 42
(BUF: Mean Dr. Lily, Troy S Goodfellow)

CHI 17 @ ATL 27

DEN 31 @ SD 13

QT3 consensus:
CIN GB JAC MIN NO PIT CAR KC PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN

Maverick ratings:
6: Mean Dr. Lily
5: Cubit, Greedo, ScubaV, shadarr, Troy S Goodfellow
4: BostonBum0, Hanacker, jeffd, Jon_Danger, Juan Rayo, Not One Of Us
3: AlanC, BlueJackalope, ColonelT, Dave Perkins, Guido Jones, Kraaze, MrFrump, NatCox, Omniscia, Robert Sharp, seventimessix, Wader
2: Adam B, Alan Dunkin, Crispus, Kid Socrates, Mr_PeaCH, Ryan A, Sarkus, Shmtur, Slainte Mhath, sluggo, Talisker, Xeorn
1: *Rimbot, balut, Lorini, nixon66, Wallapuctus, Yaltan
0: BennyProfane, Bill Dungsroman

No picks entered: Balasarius; Buceph; Matt Perkins; robsam; sinfony; SolomonGrundy; Xeras

[Cubit]

I felt horrible about picking correctly only a little over 50% this week. Then I saw all the other records...

Our overall percentages are dropping fast!

[Sarkus]

I felt horrible about picking correctly only a little over 50% this week. Then I saw all the other records...

Our overall percentages are dropping fast!

Yeah, this was a tough one. We continue to have upsets even though most years the early season chaos is over by now.

I do miss seeing Talisker post the consensus stuff earlier. Maybe it's viewed as cheating, but in the past I always liked to see what the "consensus" pick was and see if I still felt good when I was going a different direction on a particular game. It is also useful later in the year when you are trying to gain on people ahead of you as it makes it easier to see where you might productively take a risk or two on games.

[Talisker]

I'll try to remember to post the stats, etc, earlier in the week -- been a bit busy lately :)

[Bill Dungsroman]

As a Titans fan, I'm proud to have been witness to such a historical game.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha oh Robert, you kill me.

[Robert Sharp]

What's funny is that I'm not angry at all. I was laughing and pulling for Brady to get his 5TDs in one quarter (never been done! wow!). It's like going to pick up your date for the prom. You're psyched. She's been telling you that tonight's the night. You are in love and she's finally willing to take that next step. So you rent the tux and the limo and pull up with the corsage. As the door opens, you can see her getting it on, doggy-style, with some biker dude you've never seen before. You get angry, naturally, and she decides to kick you in the balls, just to be clear on who is the boss. As you pull away from the house, ordering the driver to get some ice for aching man-sack, you just have to laugh as you realize that you still plan to call her again and see if she wants to do something next weekend.

[Lorini]

To me the game was Belicheck at his finest <--sarcasm

In other news, Yay Me!! :)

[Wallapuctus]

Haha what did you want Belichick to do, pull Brady in the first half? That's ridiculous. I'll haven't watched his pressers but I can tell you how he'd respond to that.

"If we can score 40, whatever many points, in the first half, the other team can too."

If you ask him why he goes for it on 4th down inside the 35, he'll say "What should I have done, kicked a field goal?"

[Lorini]

Honestly, as much as I dislike Brady/Belichick I AlMOST wish Brady would have gotten hurt while Belicheck ran up the score for no reason. That would have been classic.

[Dave Long]

Is there anyone that still doesn't understand why we don't want Reid and McNabb in Philly anymore? "But their record is so good!", the talking heads will shout.

...and every year we watch the same game over and over again where they play to the level of the team they face and end up losing to teams that they should walk all over.

Westbrook averaged 8 yards on his six carries. SIX! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Reid doesn't know how to call plays and that the team will never win a Super Bowl with him at the helm.

Meanwhile, back in Philadelphia, the Phillies have torn down and rebuilt a franchise in the time that Reid/McNabb has left us with that empty feeling and went on to dismantle the Dodgers on the same day the birds lost to Oakland. Not a wonder there are a lot more people wearing red in Philly these days than green.

[forgeforsaken]

Honestly, as much as I dislike Brady/Belichick I AlMOST wish Brady would have gotten hurt while Belicheck ran up the score for no reason. That would have been classic.You're just being stupid here. They pulled Brady 5 minutes into the 3rd quarter. If they let Brady play the whole game, or even until the 4th quarter you might have a point. Also, I'm pretty damn sure that was a safety, and if the score wasn't what it was they would have challenged it.

[Cosmic Hippo]

Honestly, as much as I dislike Brady/Belichick I AlMOST wish Brady would have gotten hurt while Belicheck ran up the score for no reason. That would have been classic.
No reason? The fact that Brady was pulled out early in the 3rd quarter aside, he needed to build up a rhythm again after his hiatus and last week's game. They weren't going to do that by pulling him out in the middle of the 2nd.

(yeah, okay, I'm from NE)

[caesarbear]

Honestly, as much as I dislike Brady/Belichick I AlMOST wish Brady would have gotten hurt while Belicheck ran up the score for no reason. That would have been classic.
I just knew it was going to be you to trot out the 'running up the score' bullshit.

[Lorini]

I just knew it was going to be you to trot out the 'running up the score' bullshit.

Glad I made your day!

[Slainte Mhath]

I don't think the Pats "ran up the score" in that game. It's not their fault that the Titans secondary is swiss cheese. It's not their fault that Moss and Welker may be the most prolific receiving tandem in the league when they're firing on all cylinders. This is the NFL damn it, it's the cream of the crop. If you can't field a competitive product then you should expect to have your ass handed to you. I'm frankly surprised they pulled Brady when they did, as for weeks all the team has heard from the media is "Do you think Tom Brady is haunted by his injury last season? Will Tom Brady ever be the same quarterback he was before the injury? Is Tom Brady still the future of this franchise?" Well, looks like those questions were answered, and maybe if Brady had any lingering self-doubt yesterday helped erase that as well. If I were Belichick, I think that alone would be worth suffing some ridiculous "sportsmanship" BS from my critics today.

[Hugin]

Honestly, as much as I dislike Brady/Belichick I AlMOST wish Brady would have gotten hurt while Belicheck ran up the score for no reason. That would have been classic.

Nonsense.

The offense has been out of sync all season and Brady and his receivers needed the work. There have been a ton of articles about this. Belichick was riding the team all this week in practice because the offense had executed no long plays this season (no runs over 20 yards, no passing plays over 40). We still don't quite know about the running game.

If the Pats had really wanted to "run up the score" they could have kept Brady in to throw 50 times instead of 34, taken some field goal opportunities, challenged (and won) that safety non-call, and scored 70 or 80 points.

[Robert Sharp]

"Do you think Tom Brady is haunted by his injury last season? Will Tom Brady ever be the same quarterback he was before the injury? Is Tom Brady still the future of this franchise?" Well, looks like those questions were answered, and maybe if Brady had any lingering self-doubt yesterday helped erase that as well. If I were Belichick, I think that alone would be worth suffing some ridiculous "sportsmanship" BS from my critics today.

No. They really weren't answered. The Titans are REALLY REALLY bad. I've watched every game this year, obviously, and they are not quite as bad as they looked yesterday, but still pretty awful. Yesterday's game proved nothing for NE. Nothing.

As for the score, I wish they had laid 70 on the Titans, and I'm not even joking. TN needs some major changes right now.

[BennyProfane]

No. They really weren't answered. The Titans are REALLY REALLY bad. I've watched every game this year, obviously, and they are not quite as bad as they looked yesterday, but still pretty awful. Yesterday's game proved nothing for NE. Nothing.

As for the score, I wish they had laid 70 on the Titans, and I'm not even joking. TN needs some major changes right now.

The effectively did anyway--they demonstrated that they could score at will, and only slowed themselves down. The score was pretty much irrelevant. You can pick any number up to 100 and argue they could easily have been beaten by that much.

[Hanacker]

It might be time to rescind the Best 0-6 Team of All Time title from the Titans.

[Eightball]

Is there anyone that still doesn't understand why we don't want Reid and McNabb in Philly anymore? "But their record is so good!", the talking heads will shout.

...and every year we watch the same game over and over again where they play to the level of the team they face and end up losing to teams that they should walk all over.

Westbrook averaged 8 yards on his six carries. SIX! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Reid doesn't know how to call plays and that the team will never win a Super Bowl with him at the helm.

Meanwhile, back in Philadelphia, the Phillies have torn down and rebuilt a franchise in the time that Reid/McNabb has left us with that empty feeling and went on to dismantle the Dodgers on the same day the birds lost to Oakland. Not a wonder there are a lot more people wearing red in Philly these days than green.

I will trade you Jason Campbell and Jim Zorn for Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb any day of the week, and fifteen times on Sunday.

And while the Eagles haven't won a Superbowl under Reid...they haven't won one period. Reid's gotten them closer than any head coach since Vermeil in 1980. The Eagles are not a franchise with a long history of success (in the modern era). You're right now in the franchises' best years...and it's still not good enough?

Seriously, have you forgotten the Richie Kotite-Bobby Hoying years?

It's a lot more fun that rooting for such a bad team (if you don't believe me, try it!). And I did in fact use to root for the Redskins, but they've been an such an offputting team in every way for the last decade or so, from the management to the players to the fans (and even to the press coverage, until this year). Their lack of skill on the field is by no means the whole story.

Oh I know all too well the pain of rooting for such a bad team.

After all, I'm a Redskins fan.

But I still support my team. I don't root against it. What's the point of that?

[jeffd]

My friend Vince pointed out that the St. Louis Rams are 0-16 over their past 16 games. He wonders what is sadder - going 0-16 in a single season, or what the Rams have done.

His opinion ended up being Rams - at least they had an offseason to make adjustments.

[jeffd]

Haha what did you want Belichick to do, pull Brady in the first half? That's ridiculous. I'll haven't watched his pressers but I can tell you how he'd respond to that.

"If we can score 40, whatever many points, in the first half, the other team can too."

If you ask him why he goes for it on 4th down inside the 35, he'll say "What should I have done, kicked a field goal?"

Honestly that was the correct call by Bellichick. In that weather a FG was a marginal proposition.

[Kraaze]

And while the Eagles haven't won a Superbowl under Reid...they haven't won one period. Reid's gotten them closer than any head coach since Vermeil in 1980. The Eagles are not a franchise with a long history of success (in the modern era). You're right now in the franchises' best years...and it's still not good enough?

Seriously, have you forgotten the Richie Kotite-Bobby Hoying years?


Philly fans are hilarious because they honestly believe that the resolution of some imaginary head-coaching and/or quarterbacking problem is all that stands between the Eagles and a Patriots-esque decade of unchallenged supremacy.

Hint to Iggles fans. The Eagles a strong a team and a perennial playoff contender. That's not the sign of a team with serious problems, that's a sign of a team that's doing thing right.

[SolomonGrundy]

Honestly that was the correct call by Bellichick. In that weather a FG was a marginal proposition.

'Running up the score'
There is no such thing, unless the other NFL team is running High School players. If one group of millionaires don't want to play competitive football, screw them.
As a Pats fan, I've been on the wrong side of some thrashings..1985 Bears Superbowl for example- wah wah the Fridge shouldn't have run that touchdown. Give me a break.

[Shadarr]

Philly fans are hilarious because they honestly believe that the resolution of some imaginary head-coaching and/or quarterbacking problem is all that stands between the Eagles and a Patriots-esque decade of unchallenged supremacy.

Hint to Iggles fans. The Eagles a strong a team and a perennial playoff contender. That's not the sign of a team with serious problems, that's a sign of a team that's doing thing right.

Ordinarily I'd agree, but they just lost to the Raiders. If a team wants to fire its coach for losing to Jamarcus Russell, I will accept that motivation. Good teams don't lose to bad teams or even squeak out a last second win ('sup Jaguars?), they beat the shit out of them in every phase of the game.

[Kraaze]

Ordinarily I'd agree, but they just lost to the Raiders. If a team wants to fire its coach for losing to Jamarcus Russell, I will accept that motivation. Good teams don't lose to bad teams or even squeak out a last second win ('sup Jaguars?), they beat the shit out of them in every phase of the game.

That's the beauty of the NFL, sometimes good teams do lose to horrible teams. And it doesn't necessarily prevent the good team from having a good season or going to the playoffs.

[Kraaze]

'Running up the score'
There is no such thing

Amen.

There's no poor sportsmanship angle when it's a job, not a game, to the people involved.

[Sarkus]

Is there anyone that still doesn't understand why we don't want Reid and McNabb in Philly anymore? "But their record is so good!", the talking heads will shout.


Dear Eagles,

Please fire Reid and get rid of McNabb. We here in Seattle will gladly settle for the coach who's taken a team to the NFC conference championship multiple times. I'm sure there are a dozen teams who would trade for McNabb.

Have fun for the next 10 years while you struggle to become competitive under a series of idiots who shouldn't be coaching.

Thanks,

Seattle

[Cubit]

Yeah, I think we can all agree that Mr. Eagles Fan has bigger problems than his team does.

[NatCox]

Talisker, could you just put me down for a loss on the game I never picked? I think I would have picked Baltimore anyway, and this way I'll add up like everyone else.

And now back to your regularly scheduled NFL discussion...

[Talisker]

We've always left non- or missed-picks blank -- after all, you do have a slightly better win% than everyone else with the same number of wins as you.

[Dave Long]

Dear Eagles,

Please fire Reid and get rid of McNabb. We here in Seattle will gladly settle for the coach who's taken a team to the NFC conference championship multiple times. I'm sure there are a dozen teams who would trade for McNabb.

Have fun for the next 10 years while you struggle to become competitive under a series of idiots who shouldn't be coaching.

Thanks,

Seattle
Remember how it felt when you went to the Super Bowl and lost? Get ready for another ten years of that if you get these guys in town.

They need to go, Reid, Banner and McNabb. There's been one constant in all these years where "We have the best roster in football." and that's those three jokers at the top.

On Sunday, I felt like I was watching any number of games from the past ten years. The Eagles come out listless and awful on offense. The only reason they're even in the game is the overworked and injury plagued defense that somehow keeps on going. It become clear even before the first quarter ends that the only way they win is a miracle play on offense or the defense scores all the points. If neither of these things happen, they lose. Hey, how about that, they lost to a crappy team, AGAIN!

I really hope these guys finally get the boot at the end of the season and that wherever they go, I can listen to all those fans say "Hey, we made the playoffs for the last five years." Except that doesn't happen... it's not about just making the playoffs, it's about winning the Super Bowl. World Champions like the Phillies don't smile while they're losing and joke with the other team on the field during that kind of debacle. They say things like "We know we can win until the last out." "We never give up because we never feel like we're going to lose." Those are direct quotes from the likes of Rollins, Werth, Utley and Howard. Guys who know how to win.

I'd say McNabb should take lessons from them, but he clearly doesn't care enough. Reid doesn't care enough. They both care only enough to keep their jobs each year and that's about where it ends. They get some lucky wins or help from other teams to make the playoffs despite their boneheaded play calling and footballs thrown to people's feet and everyone outside of Philadelphia thinks they're heroes. They're not. They're frauds and that's never going to change.

Think about this... when people list the best QBs in the NFL, McNabb's name never comes up. Why? He's too inconsistent. Too wide of the mark too often. Brady, Manning, Brees, Favre, hell... even the other Manning! They're all better because they're winners. They don't give up. They don't smile while they're losing. No... with McNabb, we just have what Dallas has, a smiley jokey QB who will always crack under pressure and will never seal the deal but handles the media well enough to skate by each week despite never really doing anything significant.

The whole thing is a farce.

[Wallapuctus]

So you don't have one of the best QBs in the league. Neither do 27 other teams. There's more to winning than a great QB. McNabb is one of the top 10 for sure, I challenge you to name 10 QBs better than him.

Shit, the Steelers won 2 SBs with friggin Roethlisberger. That first win he had like a 40 passer rating. You Eagles fans treat McNabb like shit then wonder why he's not super enthusiastic to play for you.

[Dave Long]

We don't "treat him like shit", we simply tell it like it is. Please, watch the games. Don't just look at stats or listen to the talking heads. Watch him throw the ball behind guys, at their feet, over their heads. Please, I dare you to watch. Eventually it'll sink in. You'll see that he actually isn't one of the ten best QBs in the league, he simply has a gameplan where he only has to throw five or ten yards most of the time and the receivers sometimes make up for his bad throws or break them for long runs.

When you throw the ball 54 times in one game, you're going to rack up stats. You're going to look way better than you are simply because you get more chances than the other guy. I'd trade him for Rothlisberger in a heartbeat! That guy's another one that's simply a winner. You picked an awful comparison there. Two Super Bowls sure beats five NFC Championships and one Super Bowl appearance.

It's not just McNabb though. It's the Holy Triumvirate of Him, Reid and Banner. Banner and his "best roster in football". Reid with his pass happy playcalling and woeful misuse of Westbrook and now McCoy. They've been saved by a top five defense in all the years where it mattered. Jim Johnson was the genius, not Reid. Without that Johnson built defense, there are no NFC Championship games. No Super Bowl.

You want ten better QBs? Here you go...

Favre
Manning
Manning
Brady
Warner
Rivers
Flacco
Palmer
Cutler
Ryan

Substitute Hasselbeck, Rothlisberger or Rodgers for one of the last five if you'd like. They're all the type of QB I'd rather have for the Eagles than this guy. Kolb might even be a better choice, but we'll probably never know since he's a free agent at the end of the season and he probably has seen enough to know he can't hope to stick around this popsicle stand as it burns to the ground over and over again around playoff time.

McNabb, Banner and Reid should be out and they can take the Vick Experience with them.

[Eightball]

So you don't have one of the best QBs in the league. Neither do 27 other teams. There's more to winning than a great QB. McNabb is one of the top 10 for sure, I challenge you to name 10 QBs better than him.

No kidding. Eagles fans (and I live in Southern Jersey so I get to hear the mouthbreathers call in the local sports shows all the time) think McNabb stinks. The plain facts:

McNabb is the 18th rated QB in NFL history. Percentage wise, he's thrown the 2nd lowest number of TDs in NFL history. He has the 28th most TD passes in NFL history, the 25th most completed passes, and has the 32nd most passing yards in NFL history.

And he still has more than a few years to play.

Is he Dan Marino? No. But the guy is considered, outside of Philadelphia Eagles fans, to be a very good to great quarterback.

And just think. He got all of these stats with mostly miserable wide receivers. I mean hell, he threw for 25 TDs in 2001, where Duce Staley and James Thrash led the team with 63 receptions each. Where the 2nd WR was Todd Pinkston!

[Kraaze]

We don't "treat him like shit", we simply tell it like it is. Please, watch the games. Don't just look at stats . . .

Quoted for posterity.

[Dave Long]

No kidding. Eagles fans (and I live in Southern Jersey so I get to hear the mouthbreathers call in the local sports shows all the time) think McNabb stinks. The plain facts:

McNabb is the 18th rated QB in NFL history. Percentage wise, he's thrown the 2nd lowest number of TDs in NFL history. He has the 28th most TD passes in NFL history, the 25th most completed passes, and has the 32nd most passing yards in NFL history.

And he still has more than a few years to play.

Is he Dan Marino? No. But the guy is considered, outside of Philadelphia Eagles fans, to be a very good to great quarterback.

And just think. He got all of these stats with mostly miserable wide receivers. I mean hell, he threw for 25 TDs in 2001, where Duce Staley and James Thrash led the team with 63 receptions each. Where the 2nd WR was Todd Pinkston!
Actually, he's just like Dan Marino, in that most important of ways.

Again, statistics lie, all the time. If any other QB played in this offense as long as he has, they'd be right up there. Do you remember how good the Eagles looked with Garcia at the helm? Yeah. They should've kept Garcia for a few years, put Kolb right next to him to learn the offense and said goodbye to McNabb when they had that chance.


Here's a good example of statistics and how TV uses them to make you think something's awesome when it really isn't. In the Phils/Dodgers game... I think it was the first one of this series, they flashed up a stat that the Dodgers had the second most comeback victories in the Major Leagues in 2009. Hey, cool! They got a shot!

What they didn't tell you is the Phillies tied with the Angels (IIRC) for first in that category! So really, all it meant was the Dodgers are good at coming back, but in reality the Phils are even better at that. You see this kind of thing all the time in sports media now, because they have so much time to fill and so much space on the screen that they trot out all sorts of relatively meaningless stuff.

You need context, and in the context of winning Super Bowls and becoming World Champions of football, the Eagles are 0 for the last 11 under Reid/McNabb. The best years of this pairing are behind them...


Team Year Regular Season Post Season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
PHI 1999 5 11 0 .313 5th in NFC East - - - -
PHI 2000 11 5 0 .688 2nd in NFC East 1 1 .500 Lost to New York Giants in NFC Divisional Game.
PHI 2001 11 5 0 .688 1st in NFC East 2 1 .667 Lost to St. Louis Rams in NFC Championship Game.
PHI 2002 12 4 0 .750 1st in NFC East 1 1 .500 Lost to Tampa Bay Buccaneers in NFC Championship Game.
PHI 2003 12 4 0 .750 1st in NFC East 1 1 .500 Lost to Carolina Panthers in NFC Championship Game.
PHI 2004 13 3 0 .813 1st in NFC East 2 1 .667 Lost to New England Patriots in Super Bowl XXXIX.
PHI 2005 6 10 0 .375 4th in NFC East - - - -
PHI 2006 10 6 0 .625 1st in NFC East 1 1 .500 Lost to New Orleans Saints in NFC Divisional Game.
PHI 2007 8 8 0 .500 4th in NFC East - - - -
PHI 2008 9 6 1 .594 2nd in NFC East 2 1 .667 Lost to Arizona Cardinals in NFC Championship Game.
PHI Total 97 62 1 .609 10 7 .589
Total[1] 97 62 1 .609 10 7 .589

[balut]

Wait, so would Dave Long take Trent Dilfer over McNabb?

[Sarkus]

We don't "treat him like shit", we simply tell it like it is. Please, watch the games. Don't just look at stats or listen to the talking heads. Watch him throw the ball behind guys, at their feet, over their heads. Please, I dare you to watch. Eventually it'll sink in. You'll see that he actually isn't one of the ten best QBs in the league, he simply has a gameplan where he only has to throw five or ten yards most of the time and the receivers sometimes make up for his bad throws or break them for long runs.

When you throw the ball 54 times in one game, you're going to rack up stats. You're going to look way better than you are simply because you get more chances than the other guy. I'd trade him for Rothlisberger in a heartbeat! That guy's another one that's simply a winner. You picked an awful comparison there. Two Super Bowls sure beats five NFC Championships and one Super Bowl appearance.

It's not just McNabb though. It's the Holy Triumvirate of Him, Reid and Banner. Banner and his "best roster in football". Reid with his pass happy playcalling and woeful misuse of Westbrook and now McCoy. They've been saved by a top five defense in all the years where it mattered. Jim Johnson was the genius, not Reid. Without that Johnson built defense, there are no NFC Championship games. No Super Bowl.

You want ten better QBs? Here you go...

Favre
Manning
Manning
Brady
Warner
Rivers
Flacco
Palmer
Cutler
Ryan

Substitute Hasselbeck, Rothlisberger or Rodgers for one of the last five if you'd like. They're all the type of QB I'd rather have for the Eagles than this guy. Kolb might even be a better choice, but we'll probably never know since he's a free agent at the end of the season and he probably has seen enough to know he can't hope to stick around this popsicle stand as it burns to the ground over and over again around playoff time.

McNabb, Banner and Reid should be out and they can take the Vick Experience with them.

Over half of the QBs you quoted haven't won Superbowls either, which seems to be the only measure you care about. Does that mean that Trent Dilfer was a better QB then McNabb? Don't be serious. Hasselbeck has been to one NFC title game and one Superbowl, which he lost. And yet you claim to think he is better.

It's not always greener on the other side of the fence. You'll find that out soon enough.

[Wallapuctus]

You want ten better QBs? Here you go...

Favre
Manning
Manning
Brady
Warner
Rivers
Flacco
Palmer
Cutler
Ryan

Come on man. Flacco? Cutler? Ryan? I won't even argue Warner and Favre who may have been better in their primes but certainly aren't now. Come back in December when Favre is throwing boneheaded interceptions because he's worn out and tell me you'd rather have him than McNabb.

[Eightball]

Dave, take a step back and note that you're the only person in this thread who thinks McNabb is holding the Eagles back. The only person. Don't you find it a bit weird that fans of other teams (notably ones that don't have decent QB play, like my own Redskins) are the ones defending your quarterback?

As Sarkus noted above, you soon will miss McNabb's occasional bouts of inaccuracy. And Andy Reid's love of the passing game.

Because when the Eagles can McNabb and Reid, you'll be cheering for a team headed by a coach the quality of Ray Rhodes, joining my Redskins in the cellar of the NFC East.

[Dave Long]

I would welcome a down year or three if it meant the end of this era of Eagles football.

The funny thing is they probably have some decent pieces and parts there that if you replace McNabb with a winner and bring in the likes of Cowher to coach the team and call plays with some semblance of sanity, they might actually win a Super Bowl!

You can't take McNabb in a vacuum. It's him along with Reid that have made this team what they aren't. Joe Banner is just Ed Wade in football clothing and an additional layer of the problem.

[Dave Long]

Again, people who live outside the area and root for other teams don't get it. They never have and never will. We don't watch sports in Philadelphia with the idea that it's great to just make the playoffs. We want to win. People here watch the game in an entirely different way than they do in L.A. or Jacksonville or Washington.

It's on display in the NLCS right now. Watch the Phillies fans at the home games and compare that with the way Dodgers fans cheer in L.A. You have the fair weather fan in L.A. who likes a nice night at the ballpark. In Philly you have rabid fans that love the game and want to cheer their hard working never say die team to victory.

Again, you all would get it if these guys were in your town coming kinda close but always making the same stupid mistakes year after year. What other team allows a group that doesn't win like these guys haven't won to stay together this long? Other than Cincinnati, I can't really think of another...

[Wallapuctus]

Again, you all would get it if these guys were in your town coming kinda close but always making the same stupid mistakes year after year. What other team allows a group that doesn't win like these guys haven't won to stay together this long? Other than Cincinnati, I can't really think of another...

I still watch the Bruins every year.

I grew up with the Red Sox never winning.

Foxboro Stadium was literally in my back yard (my parents' house is in Foxboro) and I sat with my ass frozen to the metal bleachers watching the Patriots in the 90s.

I know what it feels like to watch my teams lose! For a long time!

McNabb is still a top 10 QB.

[Dave Long]

I still watch the Bruins every year.

I grew up with the Red Sox never winning.

Foxboro Stadium was literally in my back yard (my parents' house is in Foxboro) and I sat with my ass frozen to the metal bleachers watching the Patriots in the 90s.

I know what it feels like to watch my teams lose! For a long time!

McNabb is still a top 10 QB.
Right, and how many times were you glad to see a regime change for those teams hoping that you wouldn't at least have to watch the same bunch of jokers stink up the joint? Then finally they got it all right all at the same time! Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics... even the Bruins looked like they could do something for a change!

It's one thing to watch teams lose. It's another to watch the same three people at the top guide the team to another decent finish and a playoff game or two without really ever being favored to go any further and then proving their failings over and over again. Bruins fan... weren't you happy when they finally shipped out Thornton? It was over. He clearly wasn't the right guy in Boston. Seven seasons... wasn't that finally enough?

That's why I'd be happy for them to start over at this point. Much of the team is young again. It's time for change.

As a fellow disgruntled fan pointed out today; Reid, McNabb and Banner managed to turn Philly into a baseball town after years of it being a football one. They had their chance to keep football on top. But while they continually called a billion passing plays as Westbrook watched, threw at someone's feet, and sent Philly's beloved Brian Dawkins to Denver where he has definitely helped that young team overachieve; the Phils fired their GM, brought in someone with real baseball knowledge, let their young players rise and excel, and filled out the roster with strong pieces and parts that had the character to become a World Champion.

[Shadarr]

Again, people who live outside the area and root for other teams don't get it. They never have and never will. We don't watch sports in Philadelphia with the idea that it's great to just make the playoffs. We want to win. People here watch the game in an entirely different way than they do in L.A. or Jacksonville or Washington.

Maybe you guys should build a bowling alley or something, give yourselves something to do other than obsess over spectator sports.

[SolomonGrundy]

I get it Dave. He is your Bledsoe. Awesome talent, but terrible execution, lack of football smarts and questionable guts- i.e. the puking in the huddle during the Superbowl.
The Pats openly mock him on the SB DVD 'director's track. They are like, what the hell is he thinking? The last 4 minutes of that Superbowl told me everything I need to know about McNabb.
And remember folks- NE fans may be obnoxious, but Philly fans throw rocks at Santa Claus.

[Shmtur]

Again, people who live outside the area and root for other teams don't get it. They never have and never will. We don't watch sports in Philadelphia with the idea that it's great to just make the playoffs. We want to win. People here watch the game in an entirely different way than they do in L.A. or Jacksonville or Washington.

It's on display in the NLCS right now. Watch the Phillies fans at the home games and compare that with the way Dodgers fans cheer in L.A. You have the fair weather fan in L.A. who likes a nice night at the ballpark. In Philly you have rabid fans that love the game and want to cheer their hard working never say die team to victory.

Again, you all would get it if these guys were in your town coming kinda close but always making the same stupid mistakes year after year. What other team allows a group that doesn't win like these guys haven't won to stay together this long? Other than Cincinnati, I can't really think of another...

Dave, you should really read Pete King's MMQB this week at sportsillustratted.com - he does a great job of comparing Reid to Cowher, noting that at this point in his career, Cowher also had people calling for his job because he couldn't win the big game. You really have no idea how good you have it, do you? And don't give us this "We just want to win!" crap; all teams andd fans want that. The rest of us know better. If you want a Super Bowl, you have a far better shot if you consistently make the playoffs each year, you know that, right?

[Wallapuctus]

Actually no, Thornton was never the problem. The Joe Thornton trade is probably one of the worst trades in NHL history.

That's actually a perfect analogy. Thornton and McNabb are very similar players in terms of their personalities, I think. McNabb isn't your problem, I don't even think Reid is. Who decided it would be a good idea to sign Terrell Owens? Blame that guy. I bet he's been responsible for a lot of the Eagles woes.

[Dave Long]

Dave, you should really read Pete King's MMQB this week at sportsillustratted.com - he does a great job of comparing Reid to Cowher, noting that at this point in his career, Cowher also had people calling for his job because he couldn't win the big game. You really have no idea how good you have it, do you? And don't give us this "We just want to win!" crap; all teams andd fans want that. The rest of us know better. If you want a Super Bowl, you have a far better shot if you consistently make the playoffs each year, you know that, right?
Yeah, the same Peter King who also has the Eagles ranked...

14. (tie) Philadelphia (3-2). Anyone wondering if just maybe Kevin Kolb would have played a better game in Oakland than Donovan McNabb?

His comments about Cowher after season 11...
Cowher won a division in his 11th year, went 6-10 in his 12th, went 15-1 in his 13th but lost to New England in the playoffs, won the Super Bowl in his 14th, and went 8-8 in his 15th, and last, season. I think if you asked the average Steelers fan, he'd think the Rooney family's patience with Cowher was a smart thing.
So what happened to allow him to win a Super Bowl? Did an important position change? *gasp* Was it the QB?!

That's also the game the Steelers probably shouldn't have won. I'm sure Sarkus is still hurting over those wonderful officials helping to take the game from them.

[Dave Long]

I get it Dave. He is your Bledsoe. Awesome talent, but terrible execution, lack of football smarts and questionable guts- i.e. the puking in the huddle during the Superbowl.
The Pats openly mock him on the SB DVD 'director's track. They are like, what the hell is he thinking? The last 4 minutes of that Superbowl told me everything I need to know about McNabb.
And remember folks- NE fans may be obnoxious, but Philly fans throw rocks at Santa Claus.
Other than your last comment, you're pretty much right on. Though I don't think Reid is anywhere near Belichick on the coaching list. The NFC was pretty crap in those early years of McNabb/Reid. Each year only one of the other teams was any good and the final of the five consecutive playoff appearances, all the other teams were 6-10.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Reid

[Dave Long]

Maybe you guys should build a bowling alley or something, give yourselves something to do other than obsess over spectator sports.This kind of comment always cracks me up. As if this is all we do in Philly.

It's called civic pride. These teams represent the city and the people who comprise the city care about how it's represented. It takes me no more time to get angry over a three hour football game than it does for you to get angry at a videogame you just spent three hours playing in a dark room.

The difference is, I can share the spectator sports experience with the entire city in person. We just enjoy cheering for our teams more than they do in a lot of other towns. You have bowling alleys, we have the Eagles and bowling alleys.

[Matt Bowyer]

So what happened to allow him to win a Super Bowl? Did an important position change? *gasp* Was it the QB?!

Well, when your quarterbacks up until that point had been such luminaries as Bubby Brister, Kordell Stewart, and Tommy Maddox...

I wish Washington had Philly's problem. I'd kill for a competitive team that was a threat to go deep into each year's playoffs. I wish we had a team that made four straight NFC Championship games and was one score away from winning a Super Bowl.

McNabb's never been given weapons. Does Andy Reid call too many passes? Yes. Has McNabb made it work regardless? Most of the time. But to have the level of success they had with guys like Todd Pinkston and James Thrash as starting wide receivers is remarkable. The one year they went and got McNabb a marquee receiver, Terrell Owens, they made the Super Bowl. But Philly instead invested in marginal talents like L.J. Smith.

Reid's playcalling is often wacky, that I won't argue with. He could stand to have someone else calling the plays. But to call him a bad coach, and to say McNabb's not a winner, I don't think that's being fair.

[Eightball]

It's one thing to watch teams lose. It's another to watch the same three people at the top guide the team to another decent finish and a playoff game or two without really ever being favored to go any further and then proving their failings over and over again.

As a long-time Skins fan, I've seen both the top of the mountain (Skins of the 80's, winning consistently, and winning 3 of 4 superbowls), and the bottom of the mountain (pretty much 1993 onwards). Perhaps I have a bit more perspective than you, because my team HAS had success. However, from my perspective, if you'd experienced the past two decades that I have, you wouldn't be so quick to chuck out a winning coach/QB combination. You'd appreciate them for what they are. Consistently competitive. That beats a losing team ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

Again, people who live outside the area and root for other teams don't get it. They never have and never will. We don't watch sports in Philadelphia with the idea that it's great to just make the playoffs. We want to win. People here watch the game in an entirely different way than they do in L.A. or Jacksonville or Washington

Yes, you're right. Eagles fans are the biggest bandwagon fans ever. EVER. People in Philadelphia only care about their teams when they're good. That's not being a good fan; that's being a bandwagon fan.

It's easy to be a fan of a team when that team is consistently good. It's hard to be a loyal fan when your team stinks (as mine does, and has, for the bulk of the past two decades). For example, the Redskins have the largest stadium in the NFL, and have still sold out that stadium, and the ones before it, for 330 straight games (http://www.allbusiness.com/sports-recreation/sports-games-outdoor-recreation/11768429-1.html), since 1968 (by far the longest in the NFL). Contrast that to the Eagles. They've only sold out 80 straight games, meaning that the fans only started going to the stadium when the Eagles became good. You think Eagles fans are devoted? Seriously? They're only devoted when the team is good. Truly devoted fans go to the games and support their team even when the team stinks.

And, it's funny you bring up the Phillies, because it's the same thing with the Phillies; people only started going to Phillies games when they were good last year. They were an easy ticket not so very long ago.

[Dave Long]

Actually no, Thornton was never the problem. The Joe Thornton trade is probably one of the worst trades in NHL history.

That's actually a perfect analogy. Thornton and McNabb are very similar players in terms of their personalities, I think. McNabb isn't your problem, I don't even think Reid is. Who decided it would be a good idea to sign Terrell Owens? Blame that guy. I bet he's been responsible for a lot of the Eagles woes.
Second round of the playoffs last year and still building. I don't think having Thornton there makes them much better, and really, as soon as he's gone you don't have that thought that they shouldn't have been on a ten game losing streak with him hanging over your head.

[Wallapuctus]

They did damage in the playoffs because of Claude Julien and Peter Chirelli. Coach and GM change.

Also, the Bruins made the playoffs a lot with Thornton on the roster. They made the playoffs in the Borque era too, but never got far. That doesn't mean Ray Borque was a bum.

[Matt Bowyer]

As a long-time Skins fan, I've seen both the top of the mountain (Skins of the 80's, winning consistently, and winning 3 of 4 superbowls), and the bottom of the mountain (pretty much 1993 onwards). Perhaps I have a bit more perspective than you, because my team HAS had success. However, from my perspective, if you'd experienced the past two decades that I have, you wouldn't be so quick to chuck out a winning coach/QB combination. You'd appreciate them for what they are. Consistently competitive. That beats a losing team ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

Seriously. Do you know what it's like to be legitimately excited about the long-term prospects of Gus Frerotte? When you find yourself sighing wistfully in the memory of Brad Johnson? When your depth chart was once Shane Matthews, Patrick Ramsey, and Danny Weurffel?

[jeffd]

Think about this... when people list the best QBs in the NFL, McNabb's name never comes up. Why? He's too inconsistent. Too wide of the mark too often. Brady, Manning, Brees, Favre, hell... even the other Manning! They're all better because they're winners. They don't give up. They don't smile while they're losing. No... with McNabb, we just have what Dallas has, a smiley jokey QB who will always crack under pressure and will never seal the deal but handles the media well enough to skate by each week despite never really doing anything significant.

Over the past decade McNabb has been one of the top five QBs in the league. The fact that he's not Brady or Manning - two of the best QBs in all of history should not be held against him.

Your posts read like a hilarious parody of bad football posts. "So and so is just a winner!" "Ignore the stats!"

[Dave Long]

Over the past decade McNabb has been one of the top five QBs in the league. The fact that he's not Brady or Manning - two of the best QBs in all of history should not be held against him.
I think I've addressed this. But seriously, if you threw the ball as much as he has, for five or ten yards, and let your receivers/running backs do much of the work, you'd have good numbers too.

It's a product of the offensive scheme, not the guy at the helm. That was even more evident when Garcia took over and willed them to the playoffs because Garcia was better than McNabb in that scheme. Why? He was more accurate.

Finally, I really think that unless you've been vested in sports from the standpoint of playing them competitively or coaching on a high school or above level, you really don't understand just how important winning really is. Fans who accept "we made the playoffs" were never winners. Making the playoffs isn't good enough. It's first, second or third loser. Of course, our society seems intent on making everyone believe that it's ok to just do your best. It pervades the school system and drives all the people who excel down while never really bringing the lower third up. So everyone is mediocre and it's ok just to be competitive.

The reason the Redskins guys are on me is because the team sucks. But you guys know what it means to win. You're looking at the Eagles competing and saying, "That would be great!" until it isn't... because really, you'd much rather Gibbs had come back and taken them to the promised land again. You know it. Deep down you know it. You just won't admit it because we're arguing it now and your team is a mess so anything is better than the awful hole Dan Snyder has the team in now.

[jeffd]

I think I've addressed this. But seriously, if you threw the ball as much as he has, for five or ten yards, and let your receivers/running backs do much of the work, you'd have good numbers too.

It's a product of the offensive scheme, not the guy at the helm. That was even more evident when Garcia took over and willed them to the playoffs because Garcia was better than McNabb in that scheme. Why? He was more accurate.

haha "willed them into the playoffs."

People like you are impossible to reason with Dave. You ignore actual analysis and rely on magical thinking.

McNabb has put up awesome numbers - but that's only because of the style of football he plays... A style that consistently gets his team to the playoffs, have gotten them to multiple conference championship games, and gotten them into the Super Bowl. But the Eagles should get rid of him because he's "not a winner" and doesn't "will them into the playoffs" or "pull rabbits out of his armpit."

[Talisker]

Again, you all would get it if these guys were in your town coming kinda close but always making the same stupid mistakes year after year.
Man, I can only wish my local team was as good as the Eagles for the past 50 or so years.

[Shadarr]

McNabb isn't your problem, I don't even think Reid is. Who decided it would be a good idea to sign Terrell Owens? Blame that guy. I bet he's been responsible for a lot of the Eagles woes.
The TO signing showed two things. One, Owens is a cancer off the field. But second, it showed that the missing piece of their offense isn't a better QB, it's a legitimate #1 receiver. McNabb has had a receiver who could get open and make big plays for one year in his entire career, and he went to the Super Bowl that year. Hmm, must be a coincidence.

It's funny that McNabb isn't a winner because he lost the one time he went to the Super Bowl, whereas Tom Brady is "a winner" despite being a major part of the most spectacular choke job in the history of professional sports. The difference to me is that after a year of struggling with guys like Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney, the Patriots went out and got Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Donte Stallworth. Stallworth was a bust, but the point is that when they identified a weakness that needed fixing they didn't do it by half-measures.

Desean Jackson looks like a good one, but I don't think he'll ever be in the same category as guys like Andre Johnson, Moss, Fitzgerald, Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith or Ochocinco. And in any event, every team needs more than one guy who can catch the football. It amazes me that the Eagles don't address this considering how much Reid likes to pass. They could've had Tory Holt this offseason, or Braylon Edwards in a trade. Instead they continue to rely on McNabb passing to guys who can't get open, or checking down to Westbrook.

[Eightball]

It's a product of the offensive scheme, not the guy at the helm. That was even more evident when Garcia took over and willed them to the playoffs because Garcia was better than McNabb in that scheme. Why? He was more accurate.

No, it's because Reid actually ran the ball when Garcia was the quarterback. If you think Garcia could have held up that production for a full year with his glass build and wimpy arm, you're out of your mind.

The reason the Redskins guys are on me is because the team sucks.

No, it's because we have perspective, and we know that your position is the analysis of those without any perspective.

And if it helps, at least we didn't lose to the Raiders...(yet).

But you guys know what it means to win. You're looking at the Eagles competing and saying, "That would be great!" until it isn't... because really, you'd much rather Gibbs had come back and taken them to the promised land again. You know it. Deep down you know it. You just won't admit it because we're arguing it now and your team is a mess so anything is better than the awful hole Dan Snyder has the team in now.

I have no idea what this means. Did we hope that Gibbs would have brought back a SB trophy for the Redskins? Of course. Does that also mean that we wouldn't have been happy with him turning the Redskins into consistent winners? Not at all.

And for the record, it's not just "Redskins guys." EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS POSTED ON THIS SUBJECT THINKS YOU'RE CRAZY. Seriously. Step back and look at it.

[jeffd]

Awesome! A comment I made yesterday got into Football Outsider's weekly Audibles at the Line (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/audibles/2009/audibles-line-week-6) column.

"My buddy and I are discussing different things the Pats can do to handicap themselves. Our favorite so far is for Welker and Moss to tie their ankles together, three-legged race style. I think they'd still get open."

The three-legged race thing was my idea. I'm practically famous!

[Shmtur]

For example, the Redskins have the largest stadium in the NFL, and have still sold out that stadium, and the ones before it, for 330 straight games (http://www.allbusiness.com/sports-recreation/sports-games-outdoor-recreation/11768429-1.html), since 1968 (by far the longest in the NFL).

Just to homer it up for a moment here, as your link states, Green Bay's sellout streak is longer but for fewer games. (due to some home games being played in Milwaukee) So you're technically incorrect. 30 years of futility, but we kept on truckin!

[Cubit]

Wow. I hadn't really interacted with a Philly sports fan until today with Dave. I hope it is the last time, because you fools are insane.

[Shadarr]

The difference is, I can share the spectator sports experience with the entire city in person. We just enjoy cheering for our teams more than they do in a lot of other towns. You have bowling alleys, we have the Eagles and bowling alleys.

It doesn't sound like you enjoy it, it sounds like the whining of someone who thinks they're entitled to a championship every season. Boo hoo, you're not the Patriots or Yankees.

[balut]

I think McNabb sold his Wii to buy a PS3. <_<

Seriously, though, as a Giants fan, I always thought a big part of the problem with the Eagles is that they could never keep their key players healthy enough - McNabb and Westbrook just always seem to be injured for 1/3 to 1/2 a season, consistently.

[Dave Long]

Boo hoo, you're not the Patriots or Yankees.
But they could be! That's the whole point! Huge sums of money are spent on teams that up until last year were just "good enough".

[Bill Dungsroman]

Again, people who live outside the area and root for other teams don't get it. They never have and never will. We don't watch sports in Philadelphia with the idea that it's great to just make the playoffs. We want to win.

There's another way to make it to the playoffs besides winning?


People here watch the game in an entirely different way than they do in L.A. or Jacksonville or Washington.

With D cell batteries in their hands?


It's on display in the NLCS right now. Watch the Phillies fans at the home games and compare that with the way Dodgers fans cheer in L.A. You have the fair weather fan in L.A. who likes a nice night at the ballpark. In Philly you have rabid fans that love the game and want to cheer their hard working never say die team to victory.

Phillies games always sell out, do they? Is that right.


Again, you all would get it if these guys were in your town coming kinda close but always making the same stupid mistakes year after year. What other team allows a group that doesn't win like these guys haven't won to stay together this long? Other than Cincinnati, I can't really think of another...

What? Let me tell you something, the only people besides Philly fans who want the Eagles to fire Andy Reid and cut Donovan McNabb are...fans of pretty much every other pro football franchise. Trust me, we all think that's a great move for the Eagles to make. The sooner the better, I say.

Meanwhile, think over how many years it took a lot of head coaches before they won the Superbowl. Nobody thought Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher, or Tom Coughlin could ever win the Big One, until they did. And I'm sure you have a laundry list of coaches to counter that statement with, but I am telling you you are wishing for a coach who in all likelihood isn't to be had, and thinking like that is how you end up in a situation like San Diego.

[Cubit]

Thanks for bringing that up, Bill. It still boggles my mind that the Chargers booted Marty after a 14-2 season. I will never believe that Norv Turner is a better coach than Schottenheimer. He just isn't. It was a dumbass move by an immature GM.

A similar thing would happen to the Eagles, and Dave would be crying even harder.

[Dave Long]

Nobody in Philadelphia wants a Norv Turner. That just shows that they have an idiot for a GM in San Diego.

We just don't want to watch this same brand of football every Sunday where you can predict the outcome of the game based on the first quarter and Reid/McNabb's past.

I swear to you that Raiders game is like a re-run of a re-run of a re-run here in town. We've seen it before and it always ends the same way. You'd turn off the TV too if you had to watch that over and over again, especially when it seems so goddamn simple to just hand the fucking ball off to Westbrook and McCoy once in awhile!

Again, I'll take a few 6-10 seasons if it means I get to watch something other than this recurring nightmare. The only thing worse than a bad team is a team that consistently is picked to compete and fails to do so. It needs to end.

[Eightball]

Thanks for bringing that up, Bill. It still boggles my mind that the Chargers booted Marty after a 14-2 season. I will never believe that Norv Turner is a better coach than Schottenheimer. He just isn't. It was a dumbass move by an immature GM.

Having experienced a team coached by both coaches, Norv Turner couldn't carry Schottenheimer's jockstrap.

It's like giving the keys of a Ferrari to a blind man. You may have some success on the straight-aways, but you're fucked eventually.

[Kraaze]

Thanks for bringing that up, Bill. It still boggles my mind that the Chargers booted Marty after a 14-2 season. I will never believe that Norv Turner is a better coach than Schottenheimer. He just isn't. It was a dumbass move by an immature GM.

A similar thing would happen to the Eagles, and Dave would be crying even harder.

If the Chargers had kept Marty then they would have had to keep Brees too because Marty liked him more than Rivers. I think if you'll look at the stats you'll see why that would have a huge mist . . . err . . . nevermind.

[Matt Bowyer]

Just to homer it up for a moment here, as your link states, Green Bay's sellout streak is longer but for fewer games. (due to some home games being played in Milwaukee) So you're technically incorrect. 30 years of futility, but we kept on truckin!

Green Bay doesn't count. You guys live in some weird alternate universe where players ride neighborhood bikes to practice and then go get milkshakes at the neighborhood diner. (Joking aside, I really love Green Bay's NFL history and very much want to see a game there.)

Dave, I was curious about your numbers, so I did some research. Using the numbers from Football Outsiders, I looked at McNabb's detailed stats. If all his yards were about him throwing five yard passes, their numbers should reflect this, since they have charted every game in detail since 2005.

McNabb's YAC, Yards After Catch, has been, from 2005-2008: 5.9, 7.4, 5.2, 5.0, ranking him 2nd, 1st, 11th, and 17th, in order.

But FO also tracks where a QB places his passes. Let's look at 2006, the biggest YAC season McNabb's had. Remember, this is the distance the pass travels in the air.

Short (less than 5 yards): 48%
Mid (6-15): 29%
Deep (15-25): 13%
Bomb (26+): 11%

This is also McNabb's biggest gunslinging year -- no other year as Bombs above 8%. He played 10 games, and posted 18 TDs, 7 picks, and his lowest completion percentage since his rookie year -- yet definitely this was a successful year, one of his best ever, even considering the injury.

But let's compare McNabb's numbers to one of the two best QBs in the game, Tom Brady.

Brady's YAC for 2005-2007: 5.6, 5.0, 5.1, good for 4th, 16th, and 14th. So he excelled there for one year, and then went back to McNabb's level. But that could be misleading, so let's check those chart numbers. Let's grab that 2005 season, his best for YAC.

Short: 48%
Mid: 32%
Deep: 12%
Bomb: 8%

McNabb actually threw it down the field a good bit more! But maybe you're thinking of 2007 Brady vs. 2007 McNabb. They're pretty close then, so let's take a look. Again, the YAC is 5.1 for Brady, 5.2 for McNabb. Virtually identical.

Now, 2007 was Brady's magical season, with 50 TDs, an NFL record. He led the Patriots to a 16-0 record through a ludicrously productive passing game, breaking tons of records along the way. How many times did we see crazy highlights where he'd just toss it up to Moss in the end zone?

Short: 52%
Mid: 29%
Deep: 11%
Bomb: 7%

Interesting.

McNabb, by way of comparison:

Short: 49%
Mid: 33%
Deep: 12%
Bomb: 6%

Brady threw more of the five-yard passes you accuse McNabb of tossing -- an extra 17 passes over the course of a full season, assuming 550 attempts for both QBs.

So McNabb is league-average on yards-after-catch, and his best year with it came when they went to a more downfield passing attack. So basically, not what you said at all.

[Shadarr]

But they could be! That's the whole point! Huge sums of money are spent on teams that up until last year were just "good enough".

If you can't be happy with anything less than the best team in the sport, you can't be happy.

Look at the Bucs. They fired Dungy because he couldn't win the big game. Granted, they did get a Super Bowl with Gruden, but that was largely due to the lucky break of facing the team he built and the offense he designed. But since then, and thanks to firing Dungy, the Bucs have sunk from a perennial contender who couldn't quite get over the hump to a team that no one expects to even make the playoffs. Meanwhile Dungy built a second team into a contender and took them to a Super Bowl, with a QB who was maligned as unable to win the big game.

Look at the Niners, they fired Mariucci because just being good wasn't good enough, and they haven't been good since.

Look at the Cowboys, once the best team in football Jerry Jones couldn't stand sharing the glory with Jimmy Johnson, so now there is no glory to share.

It is very, very rare for a team to do what the Steelers did and replace a successful coach with a good or better coach.

[Eightball]

Oh, stats, schmats.

TOM BRADY IS A WINNER!

[Lorini]

Dave if your team went 6-10 for even one year, we'd never hear the end of it. C'mon be honest. Somehow 6-10 is better than making the playoffs nearly every year?? How does that work? And what if you become the losingest team this decade like the Raiders, my team? Then what?

[Bill Dungsroman]

Dave if your team went 6-10 for even one year, we'd never hear the end of it. C'mon be honest. Somehow 6-10 is better than making the playoffs nearly every year?? How does that work? And what if you become the losingest team this decade like the Raiders, my team? Then what?

Then when your team beats another team, fans of that team lose their shit, apparently. Christ, Dave.

[Shmtur]

Dave if your team went 6-10 for even one year, we'd never hear the end of it. C'mon be honest. Somehow 6-10 is better than making the playoffs nearly every year?? How does that work? And what if you become the losingest team this decade like the Raiders, my team? Then what?

Then at least he doesn't have to watch this 'occasionally losing' shit. It's easier not to care when you expect your team to be bad, am I right?

At least then they'll run the ball (and lose!)

[Lorini]

I think you guys know me well enough to know that I take losses hard, even by the Raiders. I mean sure, I tell myself at night that really, it's ok, and at least we ran the ball some, at least we were ahead in the fourth quarter, at least we have someone who will snap the ball under center (I think that's the best that can be said about Russell) but in my heart I hate losses.

[Shadarr]

If you want the Raiders to improve, you have to kill Al Davis. Which probably means a stake through the heart and cut off the head. The Raiders will not be able to attract a good coach as long as he's still meddling, and he's too impatient to give anyone time to rebuild the team anyway. If you really love your team, it's time to see whether Davis truly bleeds silver and black.

[Cubit]

If you want the Raiders to improve, you have to kill Al Davis. Which probably means a stake through the heart and cut off the head. The Raiders will not be able to attract a good coach as long as he's still meddling, and he's too impatient to give anyone time to rebuild the team anyway. If you really love your team, it's time to see whether Davis truly bleeds silver and black.

The crazy thing is, you aren't joking. The Raiders won't be good until Al Davis is in his coffin and the team sold.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Think about this... when people list the best QBs in the NFL, McNabb's name never comes up.

Yes, he does. On ESPN, consistently.

[Cosmic Hippo]

I get it Dave. He is your Bledsoe. Awesome talent, but terrible execution, lack of football smarts and questionable guts- i.e. the puking in the huddle during the Superbowl.
The Pats openly mock him on the SB DVD 'director's track. They are like, what the hell is he thinking? The last 4 minutes of that Superbowl told me everything I need to know about McNabb.

I agree that the Drew Bledsoe comparison is an apt one, but as another NE fan, I liked Drew Bledsoe! He reigned in the era of the Patriots during a similar "coming close and then losing" pattern, but I was happy to have him. In fact, I wasn't happy about the talk of permanently replacing him with Brady until it became clear that Tom Brady was, well, Tom Brady.

[Rimbo]

Y'all, take it easy on Dave Long.

Consider the conundrum the Eagles face.

They live in the NFC East. Look around the neighborhood there, and what do you see? Well, you see 3 teams that have each won multiple Super Bowls -- 3 each for the Redskins and Giants, and 5 for the Cowboys. One of these teams calls its home the seat of power for the entire United States, the most powerful and wealthy nation on Earth. Another is in the largest and most profitable market in the United States. The remaining one is one of the most successful sports franchises in the world.

Into this mix, we throw in Philadelphia. A team that has only made it to the Super Bowl twice, and lost both times. A city with a lot of history, but not much success.

Fans of Philadelphia have a bit of an inferiority complex, because it's justified. They don't have the Cardinals to push around any more. They're the chumps of the division. And the most successful team in their division is the young upstart expansion team (relatively speaking).

Yeah, the Redskins and Cowboys are very poor teams this year, but we're talking about long-term trends here; historically, when the Redskins or the Cowboys get good, they get good enough to win it all. Not happenin' for the Eagles.

This is what's bugging Dave Long and every Eagles fan out there. The fact that they're the chumps of the NFC East, and are 3 Super Bowl victories away from getting out of that hole. They look at their fellows in the division and wonder, "Why them and not us?"

That's what Dave Long's on about.

[Eightball]

I agree that the Drew Bledsoe comparison is an apt one, but as another NE fan, I liked Drew Bledsoe! He reigned in the era of the Patriots during a similar "coming close and then losing" pattern, but I was happy to have him. In fact, I wasn't happy about the talk of permanently replacing him with Brady until it became clear that Tom Brady was, well, Tom Brady.

And I think the Drew Bledsoe analogy isn't quite so good, because Bledsoe threw a LOT of interceptions. Bledsoe did make a lot of horrible decisions, and caused his teams to lose quite a bit through his substandard play. See, I get why people would get pissed off at Bledsoe.

However, that's just not the case with McNabb. McNabb may not be the most accurate guy in the world, but he just DOES NOT make bad decisions. McNabb has the 2nd lowest INT rate in NFL history (that's INT per pass attempts).

Just a straight comparison of TD% and INT% shows that Bledsoe isn't in the discussion with McNabb.

Bledsoe: TD% was 3.7%; INT % was 3.1%.

McNabb: TD% 4.5%, INT% is 2.1%

[Cosmic Hippo]

Hah, touche! I won't deny any of that - McNabb is better than Bledsoe was in his prime. But that's the point - even then, despite his faults, I didn't hate Bledsoe or even want him out of there until I realized exactly what my team had lucked into/craftily drafted.

edit: Haha, that's the second time I've said "I was happy to have him." I'm like an old man talking about walking uphill both ways to school.

[Eightball]

Hah, touche! I won't deny any of that - McNabb is better than Bledsoe was in his prime. But that's the point - even then, despite his faults, I didn't hate Bledsoe or even want him out of there until I realized exactly what my team had lucked into/craftily drafted.

No, I get the point you were trying to make. The Redskins are going through that with Jason Campbell. However, it doesn't apply in this case, because McNabb actually is a good QB (though not to Eagles fans). Bledsoe...never really was.

[Cubit]

Y'all, take it easy on Dave Long.

Consider the conundrum the Eagles face.

They live in the NFC East. Look around the neighborhood there, and what do you see? Well, you see 3 teams that have each won multiple Super Bowls -- 3 each for the Redskins and Giants, and 5 for the Cowboys. One of these teams calls its home the seat of power for the entire United States, the most powerful and wealthy nation on Earth. Another is in the largest and most profitable market in the United States. The remaining one is one of the most successful sports franchises in the world.

Into this mix, we throw in Philadelphia. A team that has only made it to the Super Bowl twice, and lost both times. A city with a lot of history, but not much success.

Fans of Philadelphia have a bit of an inferiority complex, because it's justified. They don't have the Cardinals to push around any more. They're the chumps of the division. And the most successful team in their division is the young upstart expansion team (relatively speaking).

Yeah, the Redskins and Cowboys are very poor teams this year, but we're talking about long-term trends here; historically, when the Redskins or the Cowboys get good, they get good enough to win it all. Not happenin' for the Eagles.

This is what's bugging Dave Long and every Eagles fan out there. The fact that they're the chumps of the NFC East, and are 3 Super Bowl victories away from getting out of that hole. They look at their fellows in the division and wonder, "Why them and not us?"

That's what Dave Long's on about.

We are harping on Dave because he and other Philly fans want to drive out of town the key people who have gotten the team closest to a championship. Their attitude may be understandable, but it doesn't make it any less crazy.

[Dave Long]

The bottom line is we've given these guys every chance to win the big game and they obviously can't. It's time to bag it and move on.

This happens in all pro sports. It's nothing new. The only difference is most teams would have fired the coach after five fruitless trips to the playoffs, figuring they have to do something to try to get over the hump. Not the Eagles... we'll just keep on going out there and losing to the likes of Oakland year after year in games that the team absolutely shoulnd't lose.

[Rimbo]

We are harping on Dave because he and other Philly fans want to drive out of town the key people who have gotten the team closest to a championship. Their attitude may be understandable, but it doesn't make it any less crazy.

Oh, I don't disagree. But still, give 'em a break. They don't know how to win it all; they've never done it before. :)

[robsam]

As a long-time Skins fan, I've seen both the top of the mountain (Skins of the 80's, winning consistently, and winning 3 of 4 superbowls), and the bottom of the mountain (pretty much 1993 onwards).

The Redskins did not win three of four Super Bowls. That was my Cowboys. New England later accomplished the same feat, but they were SECOND. Please do not steal the accomplishments of your rival and claim them for yourself, hoping no one notices. ;)

Carry on...

EDIT:

Wait, you meant winning three of the four you made it to in that time period, didn't you? Sorry...

[Rimbo]

EDIT:

Wait, you meant winning three of the four you made it to in that time period, didn't you? Sorry...

I was about to say...

[Cubit]

The Chargers are wearing their powder blues tonight. Anyone want to change their pick? :)

[robsam]

I predict the Chargers win, based purely on the powder blues and my disdain for the Broncos. Those Broncos unis tonight are sort of cool, in a 1970's Grambling sort of way, certainly a HELL of a lot better looking than their current modern "Spacemen" design.

[Rimbo]

Did they resurrect Coryell as well? No? Then... no.

Edit: (This was in response to Cubit's post)

[Shadarr]

It's a shame the Broncos had an earlier, horrible uniform, because their Elway-era unis were actually kind of cool. But trust them to have a throwback that's even uglier than what they wear now.

[Rimbo]

Yeah, but they're so ugly, they wrap all the way back around to cool again.

[SolomonGrundy]

No...no they don't.

Except the socks.

[Sarkus]

The Broncos are 6-0. Insanity.

[Midnight Son]

How 'bout my Broncos and my Saints!??

(Mah real team is owned by a moron in Washington and I'm really fucking tired of him running them into the ground with his stupid Fantasy game decisions. Get a real GM!)

[Wallapuctus]

So I guess we continue this McNabb argument in the week 7 thread?

[Matt Bowyer]

So I guess we continue this McNabb argument in the week 7 thread?

It's not much of an argument, just us talking on one side and Dave not listening on the other.

[Kraaze]

The Broncos are 6-0. Insanity.

I predict they will end up with 12 wins, make the playoffs, and then crash and burn next season.

I'm basing that purely on the fact that other Belicheck trained coaches have made big splashes in their initial post-Pats careers but been unable to follow through with sustained success.

[Rimbo]

The Broncos are 6-0. Pure awesome.

Fixed that for ya. :)

[Talisker]

WEEK 6 RESULTS

1. Wallapuctus 11-3

2. BennyProfane 10-4
2. Bill Dungsroman 10-4
2. Ryan A 10-4
2. Talisker 10-4

6. AlanC 9-5
6. balut 9-5
6. Dave Perkins 9-5
6. Kraaze 9-5
6. Lorini 9-5
6. MrFrump 9-5
6. nixon66 9-5
6. Omniscia 9-5
6. *Rimbot 9-5
6. seventimessix 9-5
6. Troy S Goodfellow 9-5
6. Yaltan 9-5

18. Adam B 8-6
18. Alan Dunkin 8-6
18. BostonBum0 8-6
18. Crispus 8-6
18. Hanacker 8-6
18. Jon_Danger 8-6
18. Kid Socrates 8-6
18. Mean Dr. Lily 8-6
18. Mr_PeaCH 8-6
18. Not One Of Us 8-6
18. Sarkus 8-6
18. Shmtur 8-6
18. Slainte Mhath 8-6
18. sluggo 8-6
18. Xeorn 8-6

33. BlueJackalope 7-7
33. ColonelT 7-7
33. Cubit 7-7
33. Guido Jones 7-7
33. Robert Sharp 7-7
33. ScubaV 7-7
33. shadarr 7-7
33. Wader 7-7

41. NatCox 6-7

42. jeffd 6-8
42. Juan Rayo 6-8

44. Greedo 5-9

45. Balasarius 0-0
45. Buceph 0-0
45. Matt Perkins 0-0
45. robsam 0-0
45. sinfony 0-0
45. SolomonGrundy 0-0
45. Xeras 0-0



WEEK 6 SEASON TOTALS

1. Lorini 68-22 (76%)

2. Adam B 67-23 (74%)
2. Talisker 67-23 (74%)

4. balut 64-26 (71%)

5. Guido Jones 63-27 (70%)
5. Shmtur 63-27 (70%)

7. Crispus 62-28 (69%)

8. AlanC 61-29 (68%)
8. Bill Dungsroman 61-29 (68%)
8. MrFrump 61-29 (68%)
8. nixon66 61-29 (68%)
8. ScubaV 61-29 (68%)
8. Slainte Mhath 61-29 (68%)
8. Wallapuctus 61-29 (68%)

15. Cubit 60-30 (67%)
15. Jon_Danger 60-30 (67%)
15. Kraaze 60-30 (67%)
15. Mean Dr. Lily 60-30 (67%)
15. Ryan A 60-30 (67%)

20. NatCox 59-30 (66%)

21. Alan Dunkin 59-31 (66%)
21. BlueJackalope 59-31 (66%)
21. *Rimbot 59-31 (66%)
21. Sarkus 59-31 (66%)
21. Wader 59-31 (66%)
21. Yaltan 59-31 (66%)

27. BennyProfane 58-32 (64%)
27. Omniscia 58-32 (64%)
27. Troy S Goodfellow 58-32 (64%)

30. ColonelT 57-33 (63%)
30. Dave Perkins 57-33 (63%)
30. Kid Socrates 57-33 (63%)
30. seventimessix 57-33 (63%)

34. Matt Perkins 56-20 (74%)

35. Juan Rayo 56-34 (62%)

36. Robert Sharp 55-35 (61%)

37. shadarr 54-36 (60%)

38. Hanacker 53-37 (59%)
38. Not One Of Us 53-37 (59%)

40. sluggo 50-23 (68%)

41. Greedo 50-40 (56%)

42. BostonBum0 47-29 (62%)

43. jeffd 46-28 (62%)

44. Xeorn 45-29 (61%)

45. Mr_PeaCH 41-21 (66%)

46. Balasarius 33-15 (69%)

47. SolomonGrundy 27-19 (59%)

48. robsam 27-21 (56%)

49. Buceph 19-13 (59%)

50. Xeras 14-2 (88%)

51. sinfony 11-5 (69%)



PEOPLE WITH WRONG # OF PICKS:

NatCox (13)


# of picks per team:

HOU 2 @ CIN 42
(HOU: Kraaze, Ryan A)

BAL 12 @ MIN 31

CLE 2 @ PIT 42
(CLE: AlanC, BostonBum0)

KC 23 @ WAS 21

CAR 30 @ TB 14

NYG 18 @ NO 26

STL 0 @ JAC 44

DET 3 @ GB 41
(DET: Hanacker, shadarr, Yaltan)

PHI 44 @ OAK 0

ARI 16 @ SEA 28

TEN 1 @ NE 43
(TEN: Not One Of Us)

BUF 2 @ NYJ 42
(BUF: Mean Dr. Lily, Troy S Goodfellow)

CHI 17 @ ATL 27

DEN 31 @ SD 13

QT3 consensus:
CIN MIN PIT KC CAR NO JAC GB PHI SEA NE NYJ ATL DEN

Maverick ratings:
6: Mean Dr. Lily
5: Cubit, Greedo, ScubaV, shadarr, Troy S Goodfellow
4: BostonBum0, Hanacker, jeffd, Jon_Danger, Juan Rayo, Not One Of Us
3: AlanC, BlueJackalope, ColonelT, Dave Perkins, Guido Jones, Kraaze, MrFrump, NatCox, Omniscia, Robert Sharp, seventimessix, Wader
2: Adam B, Alan Dunkin, Crispus, Kid Socrates, Mr_PeaCH, Ryan A, Sarkus, Shmtur, Slainte Mhath, sluggo, Talisker, Xeorn
1: *Rimbot, balut, Lorini, nixon66, Wallapuctus, Yaltan
0: BennyProfane, Bill Dungsroman

No picks entered: Balasarius; Buceph; Matt Perkins; robsam; sinfony; SolomonGrundy; Xeras

[Hanacker]

Oh man, I'm beating Greedo and that's it. I need to stop picking Detroit and St. Louis. I just always feel like they're due.