Census worker hanged on 9/12, "FED" written on body.

[Angie Gallant]

Headline pretty much sums it up for you. AP article. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jbzG_BlkG2Hfc818EPRRn1bBlP6gD9ATAHBG0) Fuck Glenn Beck.

[Jim Hoffman]

"Our job is to determine if there was foul play involved — and that's part of the investigation — and if there was foul play involved, whether that is related to his employment as a Census worker,"

Uh, you think he might've written "FED" on himself, then hung himself? I guess crazier things have happened. maybe.

[WarrenM]

This should be laid directly on Glen Beck's doorstep. Fucking instigating asshole.

[Huzurdaddi]

This clearly validates the position of many on this board that in no way was/is Glenn Beck advocating violence.

[bago]

F E D on a dead man's chest.
Yo Ho Ho and a kettle of tea!

[John Many Jars]

How do you know ACORN agents didn't murder this man, then plant him as "evidence" to implicate God-fearing real Americans?

[Huzurdaddi]

How do you know ACORN agents didn't murder this man, then plant him as "evidence" to implicate God-fearing real Americans?

That should be the intro to Glenn Beck's show today.

[Adam Eayrs]

"[David Keller, deputy director at the Appalachian High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area Task Force] remembers a time, as recent as the late 1990s, when it wasn’t safe to go into the Daniel Boone National Forest because growers placed traps or had armed workers watching their illegal crops."



There could be more to the story. (http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2009/09/23/hanged-census-worker-next-weeks-political-outrage)

[Eric T Cheng]

There could be more to the story. (http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2009/09/23/hanged-census-worker-next-weeks-political-outrage)

So the growers watch Glenn Beck...

[John Many Jars]

That's what I'm saying! Illegal immigrant drug dealers, National Forest-loving environmental terrorists, lesbian bicyclists with unshaved legs; it could have been anyone.

[Anti-Bunny]

Headline pretty much sums it up for you. AP article. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jbzG_BlkG2Hfc818EPRRn1bBlP6gD9ATAHBG0) Fuck Glenn Beck.

Should we blame Harlan Drake on Glenn Beck, too? Just wondering...

[Brad Wardell]

Disgusting. I will be following this story closely. This is an example of taking politics far too seriously if it turns out that they were actually motivated by this nonsense.

[Hanacker]

I haven't really followed the other thread. Why does Glenn Beck hate census workers?

[delirium]

Very disturbing story. I'm not going to jump to conclusions at this point about whether it was motivated by anti-government rage, but it sure seems possible. It was bound to happen sooner or later, though.

[Midnight Son]

Remain calm.

[Houngan]

I haven't really followed the other thread. Why does Glenn Beck hate census workers?

I don't know if he has specifically gotten on this conspiracy bandwagon, but the census is believed to be the tool of socialism, so that they can categorize all the people that will lose their guns and money when Obama declares martial law. Or something. The sad part is that all these welfare/medicaid/unemployment/VA/ex-military rednecks think the government somehow has no records on them.

Think gun registration writ large. Oh wait, apparently I'm a gun nut, so I believe all this.

H.

[Houngan]

Followup: It was in Clay County, which derives nearly half of its income from the growth and sale of pot, so there's your reason.

H.

[Blackadar]

Remain calm.

All is well.

[Glenn]

Followup: It was in Clay County, which derives nearly half of its income from the growth and sale of pot, so there's your reason.

H.Seems more likely than the "hate crime" theory.

I always wondered what the hell census workers do when they knock on the door of a house and then realize the people inside are clearly cooking meth or something. Hopefully it's a realization that doesn't happen when they're face-to-face with the resident.

[Bahimiron]

The most deadly attack on federal workers came in 1995 when the federal building in Oklahoma City was devastated by a truck bomb, killing 168 and injuring more than 680. Timothy McVeigh, who was executed for the bombing, carried literature by modern, ultra-right-wing anti-government authors.

What an odd thing to add to the story.

If it was some local pot grower, this seems like a terrible idea. They left the guy's computer, so there's no mystery about who he'd visited that day, or what scheduled to visit later that day. I fully support the legalization of marijuana, but I can suspend that for the few minutes it takes me to hope that they can put together enough evidence to come down on these people like the mailed fist of God.

I can't imagine the last moments of some poor son of a bitch who was a substitute teacher and a part time census taker for the money who suddenly finds himself taking the rap for a vast, nonexistant government conspiracy.

[Houngan]

Seems more likely than the "hate crime" theory.

I always wondered what the hell census workers do when they knock on the door of a house and then realize the people inside are clearly cooking meth or something. Hopefully it's a realization that doesn't happen when they're face-to-face with the resident.

Well, they DO hate the gub'ment, so you could classify it as such. Also not fond of: everyone who isn't white and within 20 miles.

H.

[Johan O]

Seems more likely than the "hate crime" theory.

You would say that, wouldn't you GLENN!

[Linoleum]

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8187/conclusions.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/i/conclusions.jpg/)
seems appropriate.

[zengonzo]

I can't imagine the last moments of some poor son of a bitch who was a substitute teacher and a part time census taker for the money who suddenly finds himself taking the rap for a vast, nonexistant government conspiracy.


Not to mention 'an Eagle scout who moved to the area to be a local director for the Boy Scouts of America.'

Geez.

[Slainte Mhath]

As much as I despise Glenn Beck and his ilk, the fact that this incident occured where it did leads me to believe it's not politically motivated. Daniel Boone National Forest is a big sprawling place in a very poor rural area, and as such it's a hotbed for pot growers, meth labs and other unlawful types. I would bet this poor guy stumbled on something he shouldn't have seen, was targeted as a Fed Narc by some ignorant morons, and killed because of it. As mentioned above, the park has had a reputation in the past for huge pot growing busts, booby-traps, homemade drug labs and growing operations, and violence against rangers, police and other government officials. There are lots of people in that area that make their living either directly or indirectly through the drug trade, so it's not surprising that they would be hostile to someone they perceived as a narc.

[Mr_PeaCH]

Yeah but...

All of THAT stuff has been going on for years. THIS guy gets hanged on 9/12 and has "FED" written on his corpse? The druggies might be dangerous, the druggies might be terrorizing the surrounding residents, but as was already mentioned it is entirely counter-intuitive for them to actually draw so much attention by not only murdering someone 'who might have seen something' and then to write "FED" as a big F-U to the government. These people plant 4 fields of pot in 4 different locations with the foresight that probably 2 or 3 are going to be discovered so they can still make a profit. They are in it for the long haul and they're not entirely stupid. Fox/Beck viewers on the other hand...

[extarbags]

Drug dealers kill somebody who stumbles onto their operation? Sure. Drug dealers then make an example out of him to send a message to the federal government, instead of disposing of the body discretely? Seems pretty weird.

[goodgimp]

Despite being desensitized by the daily horrific_news_story_03 that airs on every news station, this one really gets me.

You can blame pot growers all you want, but as others pointed out it makes no sense to write "FED" on him and put him up for display. This was a finger to the government, and if you're growing pot or making meth, the last thing you want to do is draw that kind of attention to yourself. Kill him? Sure. Kill him and use his body to poke a finger in the eye of the federal government? Not likely.

As I've said in the past, while I'm sure frothing-at-the-mouth hacks on the Left OR Right get terrific ratings and sell piles of books by spewing their venom, there are consequences. Even if this crime turns out to be completely unrelated to anything political, it's only a matter of time until it happens.

[Wader]

Yeah but...

All of THAT stuff has been going on for years. THIS guy gets hanged on 9/12 and has "FED" written on his corpse? The druggies might be dangerous, the druggies might be terrorizing the surrounding residents, but as was already mentioned it is entirely counter-intuitive for them to actually draw so much attention by not only murdering someone 'who might have seen something' and then to write "FED" as a big F-U to the government. These people plant 4 fields of pot in 4 different locations with the foresight that probably 2 or 3 are going to be discovered so they can still make a profit. They are in it for the long haul and they're not entirely stupid. Fox/Beck viewers on the other hand...

To clarify something I didnt understand in the article. It says they found his body on 9/12, not that he was hung on 9/12, right? And later they said his body was quite decomposed (I think the comment from his wife says that), which would imply he was hanging for a while before they found him.

If there is some other source that says he was killed on 9/12, I apologize.

[Matthew Gallant]

I don't put it past drug dealers to be dumb, but I would say that normally if this involved drugs they would have never found the man.

[Mr_PeaCH]

To clarify something I didnt understand in the article. It says they found his body on 9/12, not that he was hung on 9/12, right? And later they said his body was quite decomposed (I think the comment from his wife says that), which would imply he was hanging for a while before they found him.

If there is some other source that says he was killed on 9/12, I apologize.

No, you appear to be in the right about the time the body was found (not necessarily hanged) and it being decomposed, I'll wear that one.

While it would be much more dramatic for the census worker to have been HANGED on 9/12 rather than merely found decomposing on 9/12; given the run-up by Beck & Co. to this year's 9/12 ballyhoo over the preceding weeks my overall slant still stands.

[John Many Jars]

I don't put it past drug dealers to be dumb, but I would say that normally if this involved drugs they would have never found the man.

Yep. Pot farmers don't stay in business by publicly challenging the FBI to come find their non-movable pot farm. And it seems unlikely that they'd see a house-to-house census worker as a threat to a farm buried deep in the woods.

What I want to know is why Obama hasn't proven he didn't do it. He fits the profile: he's black and between the ages of 10 and 100. And Kentucky is in the country he's President of. COINCIDENCE?

[Bahimiron]

And Kentucky is in the country he's President of. COINCIDENCE?

Since this guy was a federal employee, that means Obama was his boss. Motive!

[ElGuapo]

So, time to send in the U.S. Marshals and FBI to catch these guys? That's what they are for.

[Anti-Bunny]

So, time to send in the U.S. Marshals and FBI to catch these guys? That's what they are for.

Yes.

But more importantly, Glenn Beck.

[Slainte Mhath]

You guys give rural Kentucky drug dealers way too much credit. Sure it was dumb to write FED on the body, but chances are these guy vacated the meth house or pot field the worker stumbled on within hours of killing him, and they knew the body would take days to find (if ever) in the remote part of the park the article states it was found in. Hell, they might actually have killed him far away from their own operation, but close to a rival operation just to throw the trail off and bring the heat down on the competition (though now I'm likely giving them too much credit).

The simple fact is that most of the folks involved with drug operations in this area are not the brightest bulbs to begin with, so it's not hard to believe that they did this. It's a lot harder to believe that Glenn Beck got to average folks in rural Kentucky and riled them up so bad they murdered a census worker as a tea party protest finale.

[Rasputin]

Maybe they gave him a meal before they killed him and the "government worker" connection is just another jump to conclusions?

[Houngan]

Maybe they gave him a meal before they killed him and the "government worker" connection is just another jump to conclusions?

That took me a second, you jackass.

Morbid lol.

H.

[John Many Jars]

It did occur to me that this might be the work of Britney Spears fans (think about it).

[quatoria]

It did occur to me that this might be the work of Britney Spears fans (think about it).

What, you think they just forgot the K?

[John Many Jars]

Or there's an undiscovered K on the guy's back.

[bago]

Nah. They just snorted it all.

[Henry Wilson]

This should be laid directly on Glen Beck's doorstep. Fucking instigating asshole.

The kind of people who would commit a crime this barbaric aren't doing it because of whatsisface or Limbaugh. They're listening to Hal Turner. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner) They consider conservatives, even the most extreme sort, race traitors and fringe-flaggers and agents of ZOG.

None of which excuses Beck of being an asshat who's doing as much as anyone to divide this country down the middle.

[Glenn]

Well, they DO hate the gub'ment, so you could classify it as such. Also not fond of: everyone who isn't white and within 20 miles.

H.Yeah, that was pretty stupid phrasing on my part.

On second attempt: Obviously there seems to be a strong anti-government angle, but I'd be surprised if that actually turns out to be the primary motivation. That's not based on anything more than a guess.

[bago]

What, not a cryptic reference to gog and Magog?
http://www.google.com/m/url?cd=1&client=safari&ct=res&ei=L1i8SsjbLZnqqgPIu7rAAg&hl=en&oe=UTF-8&oi=blended&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwonkette.com%2F410345%2Fgeorge-w-bush-asked-jacques-chirac-to-invade-iraq-with-him-because-of-biblical-alien-space-monsters&resnum=1&sa=X&usg=AFQjCNGJ7ktvo3mHUX1oKXOe28IGwPCgRQ

[SpoofyChop]

Apparently the kind of people that commit this crime are census workers that need insurance money for their families.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/24/national/main5762511.shtml

Just saying. :P

[Flowers]

Two things. One, you actually can get insurance that covers suicide. Two, I like genoa salami.

!!!!

[Tim James]

Jim Hoffman, from reply number one: buy a lottery ticket this evening.

[zengonzo]

Wow, that's even more sad.

It's like those wacky movies but without the close call ending ..

[Brettmcd]

Wonder if any of the people who automatically blamed Beck and conservatives for this happening will come back and admit they were wrong. Somehow I doubt it.

[magnet]

Does Glenn Beck ever admit he was wrong?

[Hanacker]

Does Glenn Beck ever admit he was wrong?

Does anyone want to be as big of a douche as Glenn Beck?

[Angie Gallant]

Well, I was going to say something about being happy to be wrong about the type of tragedy this was, but now I'll just say that I find Glenn Beck's continuing silence about the girl he allegedly raped and killed in 1990 to be very suspicious.

[Brettmcd]

Its amazing how politics seems to make people become what they claim to hate so much.

'So and so does these things that I hate and dont think they should do, so I am going to act just like them and do the same things, that will show them how wrong they are'

[zengonzo]

You've no room for pretension.

[SpoofyChop]

Well, I was going to say something about being happy to be wrong about the type of tragedy this was, but now I'll just say that I find Glenn Beck's continuing silence about the girl he allegedly raped and killed in 1990 to be very suspicious.

I thought you were probably making a joke here but it wasn't 100% obvious. I had to look this up to determine that this is some kind of goof on one of Beck's griefers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_beck

In 2009, lawyers for Beck brought a case (Beck v. Eiland-Hall) against the owner of a satirical website named GlennBeckRapedAndMurderedAYoungGirlIn1990.com with the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). Beck claimed that the site infringed on his trademarked name and that the domain should be turned over to Beck.[102] The site, created by Isaac Eiland-Hall, claimed to be parodying Beck using the same kind of straw man arguments Beck reputedly employed. The WIPO ruled against Beck but Eiland-Hall voluntarily transferred the domain to Beck anyway, saying that the First Amendment had been upheld and that he no longer had a use for the domain name.

[Tim James]

My real concern is that Brad Wardell bought this story without even checking the crime scene for himself.

[Mark Asher]

Uh, you think he might've written "FED" on himself, then hung himself? I guess crazier things have happened. maybe.

Impressive!

[extarbags]

Wonder if any of the people who automatically blamed Beck and conservatives for this happening will come back and admit they were wrong. Somehow I doubt it.

This is your response to learning that a dying man faked his own gruesome murder because it was his best chance at making sure his family was provided for? Classy.

[Anti-Bunny]

This is your response to learning that a dying man faked his own gruesome murder because it was his best chance at making sure his family was provided for? Classy.

Yes, how dare he use this death for zingers against the political opposition.

[extarbags]

Yes, how dare he use this death for zingers against the political opposition.

Sorry, but I don't feel bad for getting exactly the impression that this guy was trying to give people.

[Lunch of Kong]

I thought he was killed by drug dealers, not by Glenn Beck supporters. What an ass. At least he didn't frame someone else for his 'murder'.

[Tim James]

Sorry, but I don't feel bad for getting exactly the impression that this guy was trying to give people.You're satisfied with yourself that you were led by your prejudices to assume something that turned out to be untrue? I'm being completely apolitical in saying that seems like a state most people would want to re-examine, despite the hefty amount of circumstantial evidence here.

[Spam]

Well this guy veered into unperson wingnut status when he took matters into his own hands. That kind of unilateral action has consequences you know. And an eagle scout? This can only represent injustice and reinforce a right-thinking person's view. Fin

[Matthew Gallant]

My real concern is that Brad Wardell bought this story without even checking the crime scene for himself.
My real concern is that Brad Wardell bought this story without any input from Trevor Chan.

[extarbags]

You're satisfied with yourself that you were led by your prejudices to assume something that turned out to be untrue? I'm being completely apolitical in saying that seems like a state most people would want to re-examine, despite the hefty amount of circumstantial evidence here.

I made one post in this thread before today, and it said that it seemed unlikely that this was done by drug dealers. And actually, I was right about that. I never assumed anything, but I did think that it was a reasonable possibility that it was done by the kind of right-wing, anti-government sociopaths who hate the census and are known to exist. And again, that was exactly what he wanted people to think.

So the guy set up this elaborate ruse that basically screamed "I was murdered by right-wing maniacs because I worked for the government," and I thought "yeah, that seems possible." I never claimed to know what happened, and because people don't normally kill themselves in the name of a hoax, no, I don't feel bad about having given him the benefit of the doubt pending the results of the investigation.

[Tim James]

My real concern is that Brad Wardell bought this story without any input from Trevor Chan.It's like you took my joke making fun of a goofy QT3 thread, changed it a little to make fun of Brad, and then it lost all humor and wit while replacing it with malicious angst. That kind of power must remain in the proper hands.

Fair enough, extarbags.

[CastOutDevil]

Doh! Knee jerk reactions aren't limited to the right wing nut jobs. The left wing nut jobs are just as capable. Congratulations, knee jerk first pagers, you have much in common with the people you despise.

[Hanacker]

This is your response to learning that a dying man faked his own gruesome murder because it was his best chance at making sure his family was provided for? Classy.

Fuck you for pretending to give a shit about this guy. Where were you the 800 other times someone was trying to use a person's death to score political points (like say, the beginning of this thread?). Where are your condolences for the guy's family now that on top of dad being dead they aren't getting the insurance money? Oh that's right; it's only classless if the person trying to score points is doing it to support a viewpoint you oppose.

[goodgimp]

My real concern is that Brad Wardell bought this story without even checking the crime scene for himself.

Damn. Well played sir, well played.

Regarding the suicide, I'm relieved, honestly. I still worry that the type of rabble-rousing that the likes of Glenn Beck and others thrive on is potentially dangerous, but I'm really glad that wasn't the case here.

[Anti-Bunny]

I still worry that the type of rabble-rousing that the likes of Glenn Beck and others thrive on is potentially dangerous,

Why? Seriously, Glenn Beck doesn't advocate violence, contrary to popular opinion. He's not even G. Gordon Liddy level of wackiness (who DID say things along the lines of "the ATF is going to come after law-abiding citizens, so when you shoot at cops, aim for the legs and head to avoid bodyarmor!"). Don't get me wrong, I think Beck's an enormous douche, but the panic and terror he inspires is just bizarre to me and reeks of manufactured outrage. It's like people would be just as terrified at O'Rielly right now, if Beck never appeared.

[John Many Jars]

...Wouldn't it have taken just an incredible act of will not to stand up while he was strangling? I mean, it's not really possible to hold your own breath until you pass out, or to drown yourself by sticking your head in the bathtub...Anyway, a bizarre twist in the story for sure.

[goodgimp]

Why? Seriously, Glenn Beck doesn't advocate violence, contrary to popular opinion. He's not even G. Gordon Liddy level of wackiness (who DID say things along the lines of "the ATF is going to come after law-abiding citizens, so when you shoot at cops, aim for the legs and head to avoid bodyarmor!"). Don't get me wrong, I think Beck's an enormous douche, but the panic and terror he inspires is just bizarre to me and reeks of manufactured outrage. It's like people would be just as terrified at O'Rielly right now, if Beck never appeared.

I know he doesn't advocate violence, sorry if my post was construed that way. What he (not just Beck, but Coulter, Limbaugh, etc) does is fan the flames as much as they can. It's great for ratings, it gets people listening/watching, and makes them rich. They see themselves as entertainers, and entertaining is what they do.

I don't think there's a reason to worry amongst reasoning adults. However, there are some nutjobs out there, and my worry is that if you fan those flames high enough, you're going to see things similar to what appeared to happen here.

I'm not predicting it to be the case, but that's my worry.

[extarbags]

Fuck you for pretending to give a shit about this guy. Where were you the 800 other times someone was trying to use a person's death to score political points (like say, the beginning of this thread?). Where are your condolences for the guy's family now that on top of dad being dead they aren't getting the insurance money? Oh that's right; it's only classless if the person trying to score points is doing it to support a viewpoint you oppose.

Sorry, you're right; to any members of this guy's family reading this thread right now, I'm sorry for your loss. This is a truly awful situation, and I honestly hope it works out for you in the end.

Seriously, there's a difference between acting the way Brettmcd did and just not saying anything at all, and there's also a difference between talking about something in a political context when it appears to possibly be related to politics and using it to troll people after it's known to not be. Is it that hard to resist the temptation to draw an equivalence between any two things that happen?

[Mark Asher]

...Wouldn't it have taken just an incredible act of will not to stand up while he was strangling? I mean, it's not really possible to hold your own breath until you pass out, or to drown yourself by sticking your head in the bathtub...Anyway, a bizarre twist in the story for sure.

What? People hang themselves. It's not an uncommon way to commit suicide. David Carradine managed to do it by accident in a closet. You don't think people intent on doing it can manage it?

[Pogo]

Wonder if any of the people who automatically blamed Beck and conservatives for this happening will come back and admit they were wrong. Somehow I doubt it.

"Beck and conservatives"? Nobody said anything about conservatives. Just Beck, a prime mover in the bullshit "tea party" swinging dick movement of which you've made it clear that you are a part of.

It's not that far off of a logical assumption to be made that somebody hung from a tree with FED written on their body was killed by a wingnut and not a suicide. Yeah, making that assumption is pretty ignorant, but that doesn't matter. I can't agree with AB about Beck not inciting violence, either. The mere inflammatory conspiracy bullshit that flies out of his mouth every single day is a call to action, and last time I checked it's pretty fucking hard to find ammunition nowadays.

No, nobody needs to admit or apologize for jack shit, because they know and everyone else knows they were wrong. This isn't a case of humility needing to be displayed. The link update said it all.

[Dufresne]

What? People hang themselves. It's not an uncommon way to commit suicide. David Carradine managed to do it by accident in a closet. You don't think people intent on doing it can manage it?

Not when they can just stand up. There's a reason people do it by jumping off of chairs.

[Mark Asher]

Not when they can just stand up. There's a reason people do it by jumping off of chairs.

People can do this in a closet. It's not as hard as you think. You just need the noose tight enough around your neck so that when you slump, it restricts airflow. If enough airflow is shut off, death will result.

[Mordrak]

People can do this in a closet. It's not as hard as you think. You just need the noose tight enough around your neck so that when you slump, it restricts airflow. If enough airflow is shut off, death will result.

I believe they think it would take an awful lot of willpower, that's all. It's not that it's not possible without a chair or some other ledge for the height, rather to them, the amount of willpower necessary may make it seem unlikely. That doesn't mean it's impossible though.

[krise madsen]

You've no room for pretension.

I misread that as "penetration" first. Still, stranger things have happened.

[zengonzo]

We can make room for penetration.

[extarbags]

Not when they can just stand up. There's a reason people do it by jumping off of chairs.

The reason they do it by jumping off chairs is that it simulates the kind of hanging that is used to execute people, in which the neck breaks when they reach the bottom of the fall, killing them instantly. The alternative is death by suffocation, which is much slower and more painful.

[Inuvix]

"Beck and conservatives"? Nobody said anything about conservatives.

Nobody? I do not think that word means what you think it means.


It's not that far off of a logical assumption to be made that somebody hung from a tree with FED written on their body was killed by a wingnut and not a suicide. Yeah, making that assumption is pretty ignorant, but that doesn't matter.

I can't believe you put these sentences right next to each other. Is it a logical assumption, or is it pretty ignorant? And it's nice to see that making "pretty ignorant" assumptions "doesn't matter". You're in the clear then.

I can't agree with AB about Beck not inciting violence, either. The mere inflammatory conspiracy bullshit that flies out of his mouth every single day is a call to action, and last time I checked it's pretty fucking hard to find ammunition nowadays.


Conspiracy bullshit and buying ammunition are not the same as violence, despite what your projections are.

No, nobody needs to admit or apologize for jack shit, because they know and everyone else knows they were wrong.

I'll remember these rules for future reference.

This isn't a case of humility needing to be displayed.

Right. Ignorant Democrats jumping to conclusions need not show humility when proven wrong. Got it!

[CheesyPoof]

Not when they can just stand up. There's a reason people do it by jumping off of chairs.

I imagine he climbed the tree and let himself down from the branch.

[Anti-Bunny]

The mere inflammatory conspiracy bullshit that flies out of his mouth every single day is a call to action, and last time I checked it's pretty fucking hard to find ammunition nowadays.

Gun owners are buying up and hording ammo because they think it's going to be banned or because they believe the prices are going to keep going up, not because they're preparing for a revolution. That everyone is going all David Koresh is pretty ridiculous conclusion to make, in all honesty.

[Robert Sharp]

That's true, A-B, but there's a really fine line in Beck's case. If you say things suggesting that the POTUS is a terrorist infiltrator, you may not be directly inciting violence, but no one should be surprised in any way if violence results. It feeds paranoia, and that can have dangerous consequences.

[WarrenM]

And when you use phrases like that "the tree of liberty..." one, you're definitely trying to say something.

[Anti-Bunny]

That's true, A-B, but there's a really fine line in Beck's case. If you say things suggesting that the POTUS is a terrorist infiltrator, you may not be directly inciting violence, but no one should be surprised in any way if violence results. It feeds paranoia, and that can have dangerous consequences.

Such bullshit. Talking about Bill Ayres is inciting violence? This 'he feeds paranoia!!' is a thinly veiled call for censorship of pundits people don't like and it needs to fucking end now. If you don't like it, change the fucking channel, that's what I did and it worked out great.

[alexlitel]

Talking about Bill Ayres is inciting violence?No one said talking about a New York City radio talk show host (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayres) incited violence.

[Anti-Bunny]

No one said talking about a New York City radio talk show host (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayres) incited violence.

yes i agree

[Brettmcd]

Such bullshit. Talking about Bill Ayres is inciting violence? This 'he feeds paranoia!!' is a thinly veiled call for censorship of pundits people don't like and it needs to fucking end now. If you don't like it, change the fucking channel, that's what I did and it worked out great.

But if everyone did that the left wouldnt have their latest outrages to whine about all the time.

[Dan_Theman]

This 'he feeds paranoia!!' is a thinly veiled call for censorship of pundits people don't like and it needs to fucking end now. If you don't like it, change the fucking channel, that's what I did and it worked out great.
To be censored is for restrictions to be placed upon the public distribution of content. It is not the quest to get someone to shut up, although I can understand the confusion.

I do not want to censor a barking dog.
I do not want to censor an agent I just spent a half hour talking with.
I do not want to censor Glenn Beck.
I do not want to censor Keith Olbermann.

I just want them all to shut up. As for turning the channel, when Beck makes a sensationalistic claim which impacts watchers/listeners, then that's news and it makes waves which ripple over to other networks (for instance, causing Keith Olbermann to have yet another apoplectic fit).

Olbermann is thankfully a bit easier to escape than Beck, as I think he's just not as good at getting his message out/making waves.

What I would ideally love is if there was a better recourse to making them both more responsible for their words. As it stands, they really only answer to ratings and sensationlism and blatant "non-facts" presented as truths are wonderful for ratings.

[magnet]

The reason they do it by jumping off chairs is that it simulates the kind of hanging that is used to execute people, in which the neck breaks when they reach the bottom of the fall, killing them instantly. The alternative is death by suffocation, which is much slower and more painful.

Actually, when the neck breaks at the bottom of the fall they are paralyzed instantly, and then die by suffocation without all the undignified struggling.

[Lizard_King]

Actually, when the neck breaks at the bottom of the fall they are paralyzed instantly, and then die by suffocation without all the undignified struggling.

I'm fairly certain that even if the functional decapitation that occurs does not instantly kill the lucky hangees, it is the lack of blood circulation rather than asphyxiation per se that kills them (in a matter of seconds vs minutes). Whether or not the difference between a "blood choke" and an "air choke" matters to you is, of course, relative. I base this on absolutely no relevant subject matter knowledge.

[AndrewM]

I base this on absolutely no relevant subject matter knowledge.

This should be the P&R motto.

[Foxstab]

Hi. Got bored. Got onto P&R.

I think that people like Glenn Beck...need to be made silent.
Well, I'd say trial them for murder, for the incitement and willfully knowingly use of provocative verbosity which leads to violence and hate crimes and bring them to justice.
Judge, convict, execute.
Or beat them down.

But that'd be doing exactly like them animals, wouldn't it? Beat the purpose.
How're we different if we do that, right?

So...I'd say, judge, jury, executioner - but his mind not his body.
Declare him a sociopath, pump him full of sedative drugs, under court order.
It's restrainment by law!

He won't be able to spew so much garbage because his brain will stop processing the idiosyncrasy that makes him so pissed off at stupid ass illogical things like race because he's a dumb white emo and the other goths hate him.
And, essentially, we haven't done anything bad to him.
If anything, he'll get to see all the funky colours he's been begging for.

[quatoria]

There's nothing you can't make more stupid by dint of your opinions, is there, Foxstab?

[Joe M.]

I feel like I should be seeing funky colours after reading that post. Did any of that make sense to anyone else?

[bago]

Hi. Got bored. Got onto P&R.

I think that people like Glenn Beck...need to be made silent.
Well, I'd say trial them for murder, for the incitement and willfully knowingly use of provocative verbosity which leads to violence and hate crimes and bring them to justice.
Judge, convict, execute.
Or beat them down.

But that'd be doing exactly like them animals, wouldn't it? Beat the purpose.
How're we different if we do that, right?

So...I'd say, judge, jury, executioner - but his mind not his body.
Declare him a sociopath, pump him full of sedative drugs, under court order.
It's restrainment by law!

He won't be able to spew so much garbage because his brain will stop processing the idiosyncrasy that makes him so pissed off at stupid ass illogical things like race because he's a dumb white emo and the other goths hate him.
And, essentially, we haven't done anything bad to him.
If anything, he'll get to see all the funky colours he's been begging for.

That's what Glen Beck would have done to Hitler.

[JM]

The only thing more annoying than Foxstab is the fact that people quote his entire post. You're killing my ignore list!

[WarrenM]

people quote his entire post. You're killing my ignore list!
Same. We all know he sucks, don't spread him around.

[Pogo]

Nobody? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Actually I searched for any mention of "conserv" in the first 3 pages of this thread. I didn't find anything except for a mention of them in another context until Brett said that conservatives were being bashed in this thread and all of us hive mind liberals should apologize.

I can't believe you put these sentences right next to each other. Is it a logical assumption, or is it pretty ignorant? And it's nice to see that making "pretty ignorant" assumptions "doesn't matter". You're in the clear then.

Yup, I read it again and you're right. I meant to say posting that assumption as fact is still ignorant. But I also don't give a fuck that it was done, so I'm in the clear. Thanks for loving me.

Conspiracy bullshit and buying ammunition are not the same as violence, despite what your projections are.

In a universe where you have the ability to jump through a couple hypothetical iterations of a thought experiment, you may feel differently. That's not the universe we're in, though.

I'll remember these rules for future reference.

Yes, I'm the rulemaker for all of QT3.

Right. Ignorant Democrats jumping to conclusions need not show humility when proven wrong. Got it!

You do got it? Alright, good.

[Pogo]

Gun owners are buying up and hording ammo because they think it's going to be banned or because they believe the prices are going to keep going up, not because they're preparing for a revolution. That everyone is going all David Koresh is pretty ridiculous conclusion to make, in all honesty.

You haven't really delved into the wingnut world of Glenn Beck viewers, have you? Read the blogs. Read your crazy wingnut friend's Facebook updates of those blogs. Shit, meet my best friend's dad. There are a lot of people like that stocking up on ammo in preparation for whatever war they think they're going to be in.

[Anti-Bunny]

You haven't really delved into the wingnut world of Glenn Beck viewers, have you? Read the blogs. Read your crazy wingnut friend's Facebook updates of those blogs. Shit, meet my best friend's dad. There are a lot of people like that stocking up on ammo in preparation for whatever war they think they're going to be in.

Oh I'm sure they exist. Enough of them to cause a nationwide ammo shortage by themselves? No.

[Inuvix]

Wonder if any of the people who automatically blamed Beck and conservatives for this happening will come back and admit they were wrong.

The answer is no.

Apparently, one of the perks of being a liberal means never having to say you're sorry.

[Johan O]

Obviously it is only liberals that never admit they were wrong, because they are a whole different breed of men, descended from apes.

[Gunmetal]

The answer is no.

Apparently, one of the perks of being a liberal means never having to say you're sorry.

u mad?

[CastOutDevil]

Hi. Got bored. Got onto P&R.

I think that people like Glenn Beck...need to be made silent.
Well, I'd say trial them for murder, for the incitement and willfully knowingly use of provocative verbosity which leads to violence and hate crimes and bring them to justice.
Judge, convict, execute.
Or beat them down.

But that'd be doing exactly like them animals, wouldn't it? Beat the purpose.
How're we different if we do that, right?

So...I'd say, judge, jury, executioner - but his mind not his body.
Declare him a sociopath, pump him full of sedative drugs, under court order.
It's restrainment by law!

He won't be able to spew so much garbage because his brain will stop processing the idiosyncrasy that makes him so pissed off at stupid ass illogical things like race because he's a dumb white emo and the other goths hate him.
And, essentially, we haven't done anything bad to him.
If anything, he'll get to see all the funky colours he's been begging for.

Due to the stanza-like breaks in the paragraphs, I've tried to read this in song form. It works really well as a death metal song, do your best cookie monster impersonation and it's not half bad. Kind of works in an angry hip hop tone, doesn't rhyme though.

I would have ended it with dumb white emo on repeat until the fade out.