The First QT3 SF4 Tournament.

[forgeforsaken]

The first QT3 SF4 Tournament.

Please send me a PM to register. Title the PM as SF4 360 or SF4 PS3.
Include in the PM your primary character, gamertag, and timezone. See rules below. Registration closes Saturday at noon EST. First brackets will be posted sometime later that day.

The Tournament Rules!

Classic Double elimination style tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-elimination_tournament).
All games will be played with a 99 second time limit and the rounds set to best of five.
A player advances after winning two out of three games
All characters are selectable.
Players must use their primary character that they declared when registering for their first game of the set.
After a game is over, the winner must keep his character while the loser has the option of changing.
Any controller or arcade stick is allowed. Tournament progression:

Once the bracket is posted, find your opponent and work out a time best to play them. Post the results in the forum and send a PM to me. Use the following format.

Neo (Ryu) > Agent Smith (M.Bison)
Neo (Ryu) < Agent Smith (Akuma)
Neo (Sagat) > Agent Smith (Akuma)

Neo > Agent Smith 2-1

Please complete matches in a timely fashion. I will not be putting a general hard stop, but if there is a set of folks holding things up they may get disqualified after being PMd at my discretion. Remember the quicker we finish matches the quicker we can get on to the next bracket.


And we are live
Bracket is here
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=plJgwmFkHXJqYPkkzIH-bXg&gid=0

*Many of these rules stolen shamelessly from other forum tournaments but modified to my taste.

[wonderpug]

*Many of these rules stolen shamelessly from other forum tournaments but modified to my taste.

How dare you! ;)

If any of the tournament players have video cameras or digital cameras with movie record options, I highly recommend filming your matches. It's incredibly easy to upload videos to youtube and it's a lot of fun to be able to spectate other tournament matches.

[Harkonis]

I'm in!

I'll be recording most of my matches for youtube.com as well. Deal with the added pressure of that when you play me!

[Vincent19]

This sounds like a great idea. I'm in!

[Jon Rowe]

I gotta get to unlocking a lot of characters soon.

[wonderpug]

I gotta get to unlocking a lot of characters soon.

I always recommend this character unlock method. (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=943712&topic=48092734) Quick and easy. Just don't make the common mistake of thinking 'Easy' is the easiest setting. There's also 'Very Easy' and 'Easiest.' You want 'Easiest.'

[Jon Rowe]

I always recommend this character unlock method. (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=943712&topic=48092734) Quick and easy. Just don't make the common mistake of thinking 'Easy' is the easiest setting. There's also 'Very Easy' and 'Easiest.' You want 'Easiest.'

Oh, I found that out quickly. I am pretty proficient at Ryu, but I still need some work.

Gouken looks really complicated to unlock. Akuma seems pretty simple.

Also, some of that info in that guide is wrong, but the strategy seems solid.

http://www.capcom-unity.com/s-kill/blog/2009/02/24/sfiv_the_real_story_on_how_to_unlock_akuma_and_gou ken

That is the real story.

I have found the MyCheats guide to be really useful as well.
http://mycheats.1up.com/view/superguide/3163881/street_fighter_4/xbox_360

[wonderpug]

Also, some of that info in that guide is wrong, but the strategy seems solid.

http://www.capcom-unity.com/s-kill/blog/2009/02/24/sfiv_the_real_story_on_how_to_unlock_akuma_and_gou ken

That is the real story.

Yeah, that GameFAQs post might not have the specifics right but it reliably gets you to point B with less effort than it would take to figure out a plan from the Capcom post. The biggest omission is the 'first hit' requirement, but if you're doing the GFAQs jump kick -> sweep kick method you'll meet the requirement anyway.

[rei]

I call seconds. What? You're not letting mooches play second rounds for free?

[shift6]

I'm in, but will continue to suck hind-tit until I can get a wired connection from my X360 to the router. Damn wireless introduces an offensive amount of latency in a game where timing is so critical.

edit: oops, uh, yeah PM sent also. Reading comprehension lol.

[forgeforsaken]

Pretty diverse selection of characters so far.

[Arioch]

I suggest letting the losers of the loser's bracket play each other until we can finally decide who really is the worst player among us. That seems to be more of interest than the best one, according to the initial thread.

[forgeforsaken]

Reminder registration closes tomorrow, there's still a few people who voted but haven't registered yet.

[Dave Long]

I suggest letting the losers of the loser's bracket play each other until we can finally decide who really is the worst player among us. That seems to be more of interest than the best one, according to the initial thread.
Heh... commonly referred to as the Toilet Bowl. :)

[Wallapuctus]

I started practicing last night, and after one fight with a Sagat player (where I won the first round!) the guy sends me a message saying "lol NOOB!"

Gotta love Xbox live.

[CLWheeljack]

I know I voted, but it looks like I'll be pretty busy this week, so I'm not going to register this time since I think I'd just hold things up. If the thread title is accurate though (first), I'll definitely play in the next one.

[Harkonis]

I'm in, but will continue to suck hind-tit until I can get a wired connection from my X360 to the router. Damn wireless introduces an offensive amount of latency in a game where timing is so critical.

edit: oops, uh, yeah PM sent also. Reading comprehension lol.

sadly it's probably not your wireless connection so much as the game's netcode. I'm wired and still have input lag.

[forgeforsaken]

Could really use an odd number of more 360 participants, so 1, 3, 5 etc more. Right now we've got an odd number of registrants which I can run, but an even number would be so much nicer.

[Daly]

How quickly do you need rounds resolved? I would like to play but won't be available every day.

Also my internet connection, which is usually good, has been acting up recently. If my connection drops mid-fight i'm just going to forfeit that match, so there's no messing around.

[forgeforsaken]

K, we got 17 folks on the 360 participating. Would have rather had an even number and I may cut it off for an even number if I do another one, but where this is the first I wanted to include everyone. As such there is one preliminary fight in each bracket.

You can view the bracket here, as well as all the contestants, starting character, gamertag and timezone.
(http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=plJgwmFkHXJqYPkkzIH-bXg&gid=0)
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=plJgwmFkHXJqYPkkzIH-bXg&gid=0

On the PS3 side the first and final round is

Fenrrris v. Jfetch.

Please refer to the rules in the first post, a quick recap. Best 2 out of 3 games. Each game set to best 3 out of 5 matches and 99 seconds. For the first game you must play your specified character. Loser is allowed to select a new character for the next game in the set, the winner is not.

Remember this is all in fun, and there are no prizes, so let's keep it friendly!

[forgeforsaken]

TxJoe (blanka) v. Wallapuctus (Cammy)
Harkonis (Gen) v. Arioch (Balrog)
Wonderpug (El Fuerte) v. MattKeil (Guile)
TheBorbes (Ken) v. Fenrrris (Abel)
DeathMoneky (Ryu) v. Dave Long (M.Bison)

Reldan (dan) v. Gamadict (Abel) Prelim Match
Jon Danger (Ken) v. winner of prelim

Vincent19 (Cammy) v. Balut (abel)
ForgeForsaken (Zangief) v. Shift6 (blanka)

[forgeforsaken]

I'm totally going to regret not taking my Blanka, I'm sure.

[fenrrris]

Nice. I've reached the championship already!

[Harkonis]

Ready whenever!

[wonderpug]

as well as...timezones. (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=plJgwmFkHXJqYPkkzIH-bXg&gid=0)

That's incredible! What're the odds of every single contestant boycotting daylight savings time? ;)

[forgeforsaken]

That's incredible! What're the odds of every single contestant boycotting daylight savings time? ;)

I knew someone was going to comment on that.

[Vincent19]

I'll be on in a couple hours, once I finish setting up my new apartment.

[Reldan]

I've put a friend request in for Gamadict but have yet to get a response. Is there some time limit in which we need to get our match done in?

[forgeforsaken]

There's no hard time limit, but if things look to be dragging out because of a set of users I will disqualify people etc.

Also, I believe it is Easter Weekend so that may slow things down to start for some folks.

[forgeforsaken]

ForgeForsaken (Zangief) < Shift6 (Blanka)
ForgeForsaken (Blanka) > Shift6 (Blanka)
ForgeForaken (Blanka) > Shift6 (Ken)

A good round, switching to Ken for the last match was probably not the best idea though Shift :P

Already my choice of Zangief for the first match is questionable as well.

[Scourge]

Damn, looks like I totally missed winning at least bronze in the PS3 tourney.

[forgeforsaken]

Yeah, I thought I'd get about 6 people or so for the PS3 side based on my earlier poll, so I was expecting it to be a small tournament, just not that small.

[Scourge]

It would probably be a lagfest playing with Europe, anyway. Not that I would not play a lag-friendly character. Either this, or schedule some impossible Euro playing time and win through other players' forfeits, or something, ha.

Well, GL to all participants. And remember, in war, love and Street Fighter all is fair! :D

[Dave Long]

Easter weekend definitely getting in the way...

[theborbes]

theborbes (ken) > fenris (Abel)
theborbes (blanka) > Fenris (ryu)
theborbes (ken) > fenris (abel)

Much fun was had :) Kinda surprised I did well as Blanka, I rarely play him but I'm starting to get the hang of him.

[fenrrris]

fenrrris (Abel) < TheBorbes (Ken)
fenrrris (Ryu) < The Borbes (Blanka)

The Borbes > fenrrris 2-0

I got hosed. The Ryu vs. Blanka matchup was at least fun, but Abel vs. Ken was a disaster.

[Harkonis]

You guys didn't really play the matches like you were supposed to ;)

winner isn't allowed to change characters, loser has the option of doing so.

[fenrrris]

His character changed worked in my favor (I had a remote chance of beating his Blanka) so I'm not uncomfortable with bending the rules on that. Anyone care?

[forgeforsaken]

Just to be clear, for future matches :P, only the loser of the prior game should switch characters.

Spreadsheet updated. (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=plJgwmFkHXJqYPkkzIH-bXg&gid=0)

And yeah, as long as both sides are cool with it, it's fine.

[Reldan]

Gamadict (Abel) > Reldan (Dan)
Reldan (Dan) > Gamadict (Ryu)*
Gamadict (Abel) > Reldan (Dan)

*We realized after the start that this match wasn't according to the rules so discounted it

Thanks for the games Gamadict, best of luck.

[forgeforsaken]

Also, don't forget, it's double elimination, so just because you lost your first set of matches doesn't mean your out of it yet. Though better not lose that next match up :P

[theborbes]

Doh... sorry guys :(

[forgeforsaken]

No worries, I expect some kinks for the first round. Now if this is happening in the final round...

[wonderpug]

wonderpug vs MattKeil Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib-6UH2BNi4&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs MattKeil Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo3rv6SaMOA&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs MattKeil Match 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elyMkL0uq8w&fmt=18)

Great, great fights, MattKeil. We're definitely pretty evenly matched.

[forgeforsaken]

wonderpug vs MattKeil Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib-6UH2BNi4&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs MattKeil Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo3rv6SaMOA&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs MattKeil Match 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elyMkL0uq8w&fmt=18)

Great, great fights, MattKeil. We're definitely pretty evenly matched.

Button masher :P

[wonderpug]

Button masher :P

That was my...cat...playing HD Remix next to me.

[Harkonis]

bah, camera died during my match :(\

Harkonis(Gen) > Arioch (Balrog)
Harkonis(Gen) > Arioch (Balrog)

Harkonis(Gen) > Arioch (Balrog)

[Jon Rowe]

I am going to get destroyed.

[Dave Long]

wonderpug vs MattKeil Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib-6UH2BNi4&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs MattKeil Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo3rv6SaMOA&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs MattKeil Match 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elyMkL0uq8w&fmt=18)

Great, great fights, MattKeil. We're definitely pretty evenly matched.
Wow... great stuff. You guys were pretty close in most of the rounds. Not only that, but the character choices are really going to throw me off having played against pretty much Sagat, Ryu and Ken exclusively online lately. :-/

I plan to attempt a recording tonight. I just got the video camera a few months ago so fingers crossed...

[forgeforsaken]

I'm pretty happy with the diversity of people's choices here. I played a bunch of ranked matches the other day and it really is the same old crap over and over and over.

[theborbes]

I am proud to represent that same old crap in this tournament :)

[forgeforsaken]

I am proud to represent that same old crap in this tournament :)

Well having no Kens would be pretty weird too. The problem with ranked games is there's just no variety. It's not that I hate fighting Ken, it's that I hate fighting Ken over and over and over again in a row.

[wonderpug]

I am proud to represent that same old crap in this tournament :)

monday, Monday, MONDAY!

El Fuerte vs. Ken

New blood versus the old. Which will prevail?

[Wallapuctus]

I played against a Fei Long online yesterday, poor man had no answer for a dragon punch.

[Jasper]

bah, camera died during my match :(\

Harkonis(Gen) > Arioch (Balrog)
Harkonis(Gen) > Arioch (Balrog)

Harkonis(Gen) > Arioch (Balrog)
Damn, I'd have liked to have seen this one. I can't even quite picture what Gen would do against Balrog.

[forgeforsaken]

Be warned, Harkonis plays a pretty mean Gen.

[Jasper]

So I gather! I hope your camera works next time, Harkonis.

[MattKeil]

Yeah, the matches against wonderpug were pretty top notch. The man plays a vicious Cammy. The Vega/Cammy fight (third one) was seriously anyone's game. There are some things in that match I've never seen before.

Also, speaking of button mashing. (http://www.capcom-unity.com/s-kill/blog/2009/04/09/awww_babys_first_double_german_suplex)

Skip to around 1:19.

[Harkonis]

Damn, I'd have liked to have seen this one. I can't even quite picture what Gen would do against Balrog.

Not to sound too mean, but apparently Gen can pretty much do whatever he wants against Balrog ;)

[Arioch]

In my defense I just came back from the video store where I rented SFIV a month ago or so, so I really hadn't had much time to practice again. But even with extensive training all day long Harkonis would have beat my ass. Here's hoping for the Toilet Bowl.

(and also for Wallapunctus and TxJoe to get their game on, so that I can return the game soon ;))

[fuzzyslug]

I can't wait for round 2. I missed this one completely due to camping this weekend. We should run this regularly for a bit.

[MattKeil]

The results of this tournament should also help with the seeding in the second.

[Daly]

wonderpug vs MattKeil Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib-6UH2BNi4&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs MattKeil Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo3rv6SaMOA&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs MattKeil Match 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elyMkL0uq8w&fmt=18)

Great, great fights, MattKeil. We're definitely pretty evenly matched.

Great fights. I loved the development of Guile through the first match from more defensive to more aggressive.

[notatiger]

(and also for Wallapunctus and TxJoe to get their game on, so that I can return the game soon ;))

We are scheduled to fight in about 10. I am going to go practice now, in fact!

txjoe (Blanka)> Wallapuctus (Cammy)
txjoe (Blanka)> Wallapuctus (Zangief)

[wonderpug]

Second Round Match:

wonderpug vs. theborbes Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Xzqq0Lg_U&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs. theborbes Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nt-Q0Pf_Tw&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs. theborbes Match 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGEJDKJdPGg)

Nice matches, borbes! We'll have to play again sometime.

[Daly]

More good games. El Fuerte can be a royal pain to deal with.

[DeathMonkey]

Dave Long (Dictator/Bison) > DeftMunky (Ryu)
Dave Long (Dictator/Bison) > DeftMunky (Chun-Li)

I got cash money I'm the worst player in the tournament.

Thanks for playing Dave! Good luck in the winners bracket!

-Scott-

[forgeforsaken]

Second Round Match:

wonderpug vs. theborbes Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Xzqq0Lg_U&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs. theborbes Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nt-Q0Pf_Tw&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs. theborbes Match 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGEJDKJdPGg)

Nice matches, borbes! We'll have to play again sometime.

Man some of the shit you guys do in that third match!

[MattKeil]

Second Round Match:

wonderpug vs. theborbes Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Xzqq0Lg_U&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs. theborbes Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nt-Q0Pf_Tw&fmt=18)
wonderpug vs. theborbes Match 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGEJDKJdPGg)

Nice matches, borbes! We'll have to play again sometime.

Good matches. Nice to see our Ken player actually knows how to use him.

[MattKeil]

Loser's Bracket First Round Match

MattKeil (Guile) vs. Fenrrrir (Abel)
MattKeil (Guile) vs. Fenrrrir (Ryu)
MattKeil (Guile) vs. Fenrrrir (Ryu)

Some pretty nasty lag for most of the match, unfortunately. My connection to Wonderpug was very smooth, by contrast, and he's also East Coast. Not much to be done about it, I guess, although I am willing to replay the round with Fenrrrir hosting if it's decided that would be more fair.

[theborbes]

Good matches. Nice to see our Ken player actually knows how to use him.


hehe, yeah, obviously not well enough :( Next tournament I'm going flawless victory!

[fenrrris]

Poor showings by me all around. Was fun playing, but I'm clearly not competitive at this level. I think I need to dig into an SF forum and call in sick next week.

And no hard feelings on the lag. I don't think I had much of a chance with or without.

[Harkonis]

In my defense I just came back from the video store where I rented SFIV a month ago or so, so I really hadn't had much time to practice again. But even with extensive training all day long Harkonis would have beat my ass. Here's hoping for the Toilet Bowl.

(and also for Wallapunctus and TxJoe to get their game on, so that I can return the game soon ;))

heh, I was just poking at ya.

[Wallapuctus]

We are scheduled to fight in about 10. I am going to go practice now, in fact!

txjoe (Blanka)> Wallapuctus (Cammy)
txjoe (Blanka)> Wallapuctus (Zangief)

Yah that was an education. Good game dude. My girlfriend was heckling me as I was playing, I dunno if you heard her ^_^

[Dave Long]

Dave Long (Dictator/Bison) > DeftMunky (Ryu)
Dave Long (Dictator/Bison) > DeftMunky (Chun-Li)

I got cash money I'm the worst player in the tournament.

Thanks for playing Dave! Good luck in the winners bracket!

-Scott-
Thanks! Good luck to you, too!

It was a bit one-sided, but Scott's Chun Li definitely gave me more trouble than Ryu. I think playing all those Sagat, Ken, Ryu matches paid off in the first round.

Forge and I played a few for fun later on and he whupped me, so I'm not sure how far I can really go in this thing.

Uploading the matches now... will update the post when they're done.

[Hunty]

I missed this entirely due to Easter revelry, but looking at these videos that's probably for the best. Man alive. I'd be delighted to even get a punch in. Would be cool to get in on the next one, though lag and time zones would probably be an issue.

[forgeforsaken]

We almost have the first round wrapped up. I'd like to see the last matches of it finished by tomorrow night if possible.

Meanwhile a few folks have already finished their second round of matches :P

[Jon Rowe]

I will be free later tonight, and late wednesday night to do my matches. I will bet that I am the worst player in the tournament. I challenge you to a duel Deathmonkey (maybe we will meet in the loser's bracket) may the best man lose!

[DeathMonkey]

I will be free later tonight, and late wednesday night to do my matches. I will bet that I am the worst player in the tournament. I challenge you to a duel Deathmonkey (maybe we will meet in the loser's bracket) may the best man lose!

If you lose, you will play me and we will finally know who is the worst SF4 player in the bracket!

-Scott-

[Jon Rowe]

YES!!! If I had a glove I would tap your cheek with it sir! I looked at my current opponent's profile and he had the 100 ranked wins achievement. Something I aspire to achieve some decade in the future.

[Jon Rowe]

I don't have a video camera, but I think I will hook up my PC mic and record my fight conversation, I am sure I will alienate all who listen and offend no less than three separate races and genders. (I swear up a storm when gaming)

[Arioch]

heh, I was just poking at ya.

No offense taken.

[shift6]

ForgeForsaken (Zangief) < Shift6 (Blanka)
ForgeForsaken (Blanka) > Shift6 (Blanka)
ForgeForaken (Blanka) > Shift6 (Ken)

A good round, switching to Ken for the last match was probably not the best idea though Shift :P

Already my choice of Zangief for the first match is questionable as well.
I was better as a Mountain Dew addled 17-year old on the original arcade machine. Anyway it was fun and I thank you for showing me how to do all the moves I didn't know and helping me get the "win 10 games on XBox live" achievement, which should show how awful of a player I am online. I should have stayed Blanka.

Also: Damn lag.

Also: How bad would it have looked if I had given the guy who set this tourney up the two-and-out I was so easily capable of in the very first round?

Also: Spawn camper!

[gamadict]

YES!!! If I had a glove I would tap your cheek with it sir! I looked at my current opponent's profile and he had the 100 ranked wins achievement. Something I aspire to achieve some decade in the future.

I actually don't have any ranked wins. I've only played player matches and have won under 50% of them. So you should totally underestimate me

[forgeforsaken]

Also: How bad would it have looked if I had given the guy who set this tourney up the two-and-out I was so easily capable of in the very first round?


I would have cleaned up in the Losers Bracket then!

[Dave Long]

Video!

Dave Long (Dictator) vs. DeathMonkey (Ryu) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clM5bDG5Sto)
Dave Long (Dictator) vs. DeathMonkey (Chun) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3L-QTMiitQ)

You'll hear me blabbing with DM via headset. Sorry about that...

[Daly]

More good stuff. I reckon I would have lost to either of you guys.

[gamadict]

gamadict(abel) vs. Jon_Danger(Ken)
gamadict(abel) vs. Jon_Danger(Fei Long)
gamadict(abel) vs. Jon_Danger(Balrog)

No fancy video, but I can assure you it was closer then it looks

[notatiger]

Two things in response to my just completed games w/ Harkonis.

1) YOU STUPID GODDAMN XBOX CONTROLLER
2) AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH

As you can tell, they were pretty easy wins for me ;). Things might've been different if I had figured out how to react to Harkonis's hundred hand slap before the last match, but what happens happens.

[forgeforsaken]

Two things in response to my just completed games w/ Harkonis.

1) YOU STUPID GODDAMN XBOX CONTROLLER
2) AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH

As you can tell, they were pretty easy wins for me ;). Things might've been different if I had figured out how to react to Harkonis's hundred hand slap before the last match, but what happens happens.

So I take it Hark won?

[Dave Long]

gamadict(abel) vs. Jon_Danger(Ken)
gamadict(abel) vs. Jon_Danger(Fei Long)
gamadict(abel) vs. Jon_Danger(Balrog)

No fancy video, but I can assure you it was closer then it looks
I'm curious why you played three matches if you won all three of them? I thought it was best two out of three matches with rounds set to best of five?

[MattKeil]

Video!

Dave Long (Dictator) vs. DeathMonkey (Ryu) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clM5bDG5Sto)
Dave Long (Dictator) vs. DeathMonkey (Chun) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3L-QTMiitQ)

You'll hear me blabbing with DM via headset. Sorry about that...

Bison's air stomp is so much more effective in this game. Definitely makes him a much more competitive character. I still haven't quite perfected countering it with Guile.

[gamadict]

I'm curious why you played three matches if you won all three of them? I thought it was best two out of three matches with rounds set to best of five?

Pretty much just for fun, the third match was an exhibition where we just screwed around.

Additionally, I'm pretty sure my Cinderella run is going to be over shortly after scouting your last match

[Dave Long]

Bison's air stomp is so much more effective in this game. Definitely makes him a much more competitive character. I still haven't quite perfected countering it with Guile.
Yeah, and the EX version takes some pretty big damage off people, too. It's a big part of my game to land one of those in the EX variety. Guile can be tough because you're wide open for it if you do a roundhouse and miss because it takes so long for both legs to swing through the animation.

All that said, forge did a really good job of taking me out of my game in our friendly last night. If I fight him along the way, it's going to be tough to get through him. :)

[jfletch]

So I don't know if fenris posted this but I beat him 2 games to 0 in the PS3 championship.

[Dave Long]

Pretty much just for fun, the third match was an exhibition where we just screwed around.

Additionally, I'm pretty sure my Cinderella run is going to be over shortly after scouting your last match
Ah... ok. Just wanted to make sure I didn't screw up and misread the rules. Thanks!

[Dave Long]

So I don't know if fenris posted this but I beat him 2 games to 0 in the PS3 championship.
CONGRATULATIONS!

http://www.angelfire.com/oh4/giegue/ken.gif

[notatiger]

So I take it Hark won?

Uh... no! I won! Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket! I won! In just 2 matches!

Yes, Harkonis won. I say we ban him from the forum!

[fenrrris]

So I don't know if fenris posted this but I beat him 2 games to 0 in the PS3 championship.

I did not post and I apologize. I've forgotten what the matches were, but jfletch also soundly housed me. I bow down as, truly, the most scrubby SF4 player on Qt3.

[Dave Long]

gamadict (Abel) vs. Dave Long (Bison)
gamadict (Abel) vs. Dave Long (Bison)

He smoked me. I should've practiced a bit before playing, but I'm not sure it would've made much difference. I think I've played against a competent Abel player like one time on Live and also got pwned by that guy. I just didn't even know where to begin.

That's not to say gamadict isn't top notch because he's very solid. Watch out for him in the next round Forge...

I'll have videos of my demise up on YouTube later tonight. Worse... I draw MattKeil in the loser's bracket. Not too confident that I'll be moving on... :(

[forgeforsaken]

Vincent, can you please contact me, thanks.

I need to know your status to participate in the tournament.

[forgeforsaken]

That's not to say gamadict isn't top notch because he's very solid. Watch out for him in the next round Forge...


Well, no guarantees I'm even going to get that far, but here's hoping!

[MattKeil]

I'll have videos of my demise up on YouTube later tonight. Worse... I draw MattKeil in the loser's bracket. Not too confident that I'll be moving on... :(

My Guile isn't especially effective against Bison, so I wouldn't count yourself out just yet.

[Dave Long]

Gamadict (Abel) vs. Dave Long (M. Bison/Dictator) Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CGhuo2JWRM)
Gamadict (Abel) vs. Dave Long (M. Bison/Dictator) Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaGwLVtvjLw)

There are so many times where Abel just rolls right through what you expect to be a hit. That gets so frustrating. :(

High Quality available at those links.

[gamadict]

Being able to watch the replays adds quite a bit. Makes me me wish Capcom had included a system to save and share replays through the game. The game data couldn't be more then 10k per match or so

Looking at the way the bracket is shaking out, I'm goona be in trouble next match. Zangief is one of my worst matchups, and forge is pretty good from what I gather. I'm rooting for whoever is playing cammy to make it through

[CEBlackwell]

Saving and uploading replays is supposedly part of the Championship patch coming soon. Your wish answered, just a little late.

[forgeforsaken]

Being able to watch the replays adds quite a bit. Makes me me wish Capcom had included a system to save and share replays through the game. The game data couldn't be more then 10k per match or so

Looking at the way the bracket is shaking out, I'm goona be in trouble next match. Zangief is one of my worst matchups, and forge is pretty good from what I gather. I'm rooting for whoever is playing cammy to make it through

That Cammy is in danger of getting disqualified for lack of availability/communication. Vincent mentioned earlier in the thread setting up a new apartment, so I think he may be having internet issues, but that being said, he hasn't been in this thread since then or responded to my PMs or accepted any xbox friend requests. I'm not sure how long we wait for that all to get sorted.

[wonderpug]

High Quality available at those links.

FYI you can link directly to high quality by adding "&fmt=18" to the end of the URL.

edit: and adding "&fmt=22" will link directly to the HD version if the video has it.

[Dave Long]

Thanks. I was wondering how to do that.

[Jasper]

Gamadict (Abel) vs. Dave Long (M. Bison/Dictator) Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CGhuo2JWRM)
Gamadict (Abel) vs. Dave Long (M. Bison/Dictator) Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaGwLVtvjLw)

There are so many times where Abel just rolls right through what you expect to be a hit. That gets so frustrating. :(

High Quality available at those links.
I like how you can hear the whiffed super ultra combo inputs coming out as teleports -- man I hate that when playing Bison!

As for the rolls, the CPU destroyed me at first with constant rolling, until I figured out that you can grab Abel out of his roll! I'm not sure whether Abel can escape the throw, but it at least prevents him from rolling in and throwing, which gives you a better handle on the initiative.

[Dave Long]

Yeah, there are a bunch of those Ultra Combo whiffs where I teleported. I literally went into the match cold without having played since the night before, and I've found that those first five or six matches I play every night are easily my worst. I probably should've practiced a little bit before we played.

I don't want to take anything away from gamadict though. He did really well and deserved the win, absolutely.

[forgeforsaken]

I like how you can hear the whiffed super ultra combo inputs coming out as teleports -- man I hate that when playing Bison!


I really wish they made teleport two buttons or something for exactly that reason. I so so often accidentally teleport if playing Bison.

[Jasper]

I never even use the teleport, so would be happy if they just removed one version of it, and left it as punch only.

That's probably a flaw in my style though, as now that I think about it I can see some uses for having a non-charge move that'll take you across the screen, especially against someone who'll try to run you into the corner like Abel.

[Dave Long]

Yeah, you need the teleport. If you watch the other two matches I posted against DeathMonkey, there's one instance where I use it to avoid a fireball and start attacking by teleporting past the fireball.

It's handy, but you have to be more precise with the Ultra. And when you haven't practiced it's hard to be more precise with the Ultra. That's really all there is to it. :)

Once again... I still have no clue how to play against Abel. The constant stream of Ken, Ryu, Sagat and Akuma players online means I never fight against him.

[forgeforsaken]

So, Vincent seems to be missing in action, as such, where he still hasn't played his first match, I will open it up for an alternate to sign up. First person to PM me will get it. I'm going to give him until 5 PM Eastern, at which time I will announce the replacement and update the bracket.

This is for the 360 in case you haven't been paying attention, also you must be able to play your match within ideally 3 days, 5 on the outside.

[forgeforsaken]

Yeah, you need the teleport. If you watch the other two matches I posted against DeathMonkey, there's one instance where I use it to avoid a fireball and start attacking by teleporting past the fireball.

It's handy, but you have to be more precise with the Ultra. And when you haven't practiced it's hard to be more precise with the Ultra. That's really all there is to it. :)

Once again... I still have no clue how to play against Abel. The constant stream of Ken, Ryu, Sagat and Akuma players online means I never fight against him.

Do you play ranked or player matches Dave? Ranked is as you say, though I've found some variety in player matches. Plus we should all be building up a nice friends list of sf4 players from this tournament :P

[Scourge]

The ultra screwup is actually very easy to fix. Just finish the ultra motion in Up-Forward instead of Forward. You will never get a teleport out of an ultra again.

The teleport itself is very useful, especially considering that you can keep the down charge while teleporting behind the opponent.


Abel actually has a hard matchup against Bison. Most people who haven't played him much miss the fact that they need to block the Change of Direction followup (the combo-able version that is, which is 99% of what one will see online) and the Wheel Kick high. Especially true for charge characters who crouch a lot. The throwing out of a roll tip was already mentioned.

[Jasper]

Yeah, you need the teleport. If you watch the other two matches I posted against DeathMonkey, there's one instance where I use it to avoid a fireball and start attacking by teleporting past the fireball.
I'm not too afraid of Fireballs when playing Bison, as the headstomp shuts them down so effectively. The biggest problems I have with Bison are when some faster character gets on top of you in the corner (Cammy comes to mind). Being able to escape that without being charged would be handy -- pity I never think to teleport!

It's handy, but you have to be more precise with the Ultra. And when you haven't practiced it's hard to be more precise with the Ultra. That's really all there is to it. :)
True. I'm terrible at the charge supers, and just can't reliably get them off under pressure. :-/

Once again... I still have no clue how to play against Abel. The constant stream of Ken, Ryu, Sagat and Akuma players online means I never fight against him.
The CPU actually does a decent job with Abel, which at least gives you a chance to check out move priorities, etc.

[Jasper]

The ultra screwup is actually very easy to fix. Just finish the ultra motion in Up-Forward instead of Forward. You will never get a teleport out of an ultra again.
Aha! Thanks.

The teleport itself is very useful, especially considering that you can keep the down charge while teleporting behind the opponent.
Errr, what good is keeping the down charge? So you can headstomp?

[Scourge]

Aha! Thanks.


Errr, what good is keeping the down charge? So you can headstomp?


Either this or Devil Reverse.
When you teleport behind someone the natural reaction of the opponent is to go for a throw as you reappear in throw range. In this case the HS is free damage cause you are unthrowable and the throw attempt will whiff.

[wonderpug]

Gamadict (Abel) vs. Dave Long (M. Bison/Dictator) Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CGhuo2JWRM&fmt=18)
Gamadict (Abel) vs. Dave Long (M. Bison/Dictator) Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaGwLVtvjLw*fmt=18)

Very nice Abel, Gamadict. Seeing some of your strategies with him in action makes me want to give him more of a try. Using the Marseilles Roll to mess with charge characters looks really effective. And looking at his move list I didn't realize Abel's Wheel Kick only takes a quarter circle back; Chun Li's similar move requires a half circle back.

[forgeforsaken]

I will be accepting an alternate to replace Vincent19 in the tournament. Please PM, this will be first come first serve. This is a chance for one of you folks that missed it that expressed interest to get in the tournament.

[CLWheeljack]

Very nice Abel, Gamadict. Seeing some of your strategies with him in action makes me want to give him more of a try. Using the Marseilles Roll to mess with charge characters looks really effective. And looking at his move list I didn't realize Abel's Wheel Kick only takes a quarter circle back; Chun Li's similar move requires a half circle back.

Abel's move set reminds me a lot of Goro Daimon from KoF.

[Jasper]

Either this or Devil Reverse.
When you teleport behind someone the natural reaction of the opponent is to go for a throw as you reappear in throw range. In this case the HS is free damage cause you are unthrowable and the throw attempt will whiff.
Interesting. I thought you needed to teleport while they were recovering from a move or jump, and that if they were ready you would be nailed before you could recover...

You're saying that you can get a stomp or reverse off before they can get you? I'll have to try that.

[forgeforsaken]

For those in the tournament, please enable email notification for private messages.

Looks like we may have another person awol :(

[wonderpug]

For those in the tournament, please enable email notification for private messages.

It's also helpful to enable the pop-up notification for private messages in case you hit the message board more often than you check your email. I think it's off by default.

[forgeforsaken]

I know I said 5, but I got some stuff to do.

Fuzzyslug will now be replacing Vincent19.

So now it's
Fuzzyslug (Bison) v. Balut (Abel)

[shift6]

Paging Mr. Thomas W. Chick, Mr. Thomas W. Chick. Please report to this thread!

Tom, any chance you would be willing to sticky this thread for a bit? Thanks.

[theborbes]

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=plJgwmFkHXJqYPkkzIH-bXg&gid=0


Posting so I don't have to keep going to page 2 to check it :)

It'd be really nice if some progress in the loser's bracket was made soon...i have to return this game to blockbuster soon :(

[forgeforsaken]

Yeah yeah, not fancy, shaddup.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/forgeforsaken/posts/Winners.jpghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/forgeforsaken/posts/Losers.jpg

[notatiger]

So I gather! I hope your camera works next time, Harkonis.

You didn't happen to get to record our matches, did you Harkonis?

[Jon Rowe]

Dr JonDanger on XBL, add me deathmonkey!

[MattKeil]

I actually have to go up to the SF area to cover the Gamestop tournament finals, so I'm not going to have access to SF4 until Monday night to play Dave. Hope that doesn't totally bone the timing of things.

[forgeforsaken]

I actually have to go up to the SF area to cover the Gamestop tournament finals, so I'm not going to have access to SF4 until Monday night to play Dave. Hope that doesn't totally bone the timing of things.

Should be ok, there's some stuff that needs to get resolved before that.

Plus communication is key, I don't mind delaying stuff as long as I know what's going on.

[Dave Long]

I actually have to go up to the SF area to cover the Gamestop tournament finals, so I'm not going to have access to SF4 until Monday night to play Dave. Hope that doesn't totally bone the timing of things.
Cool! If you get a chance to post some of the happenings there, that would be awesome.

[Reldan]

I apologize profusely for the delay in getting my next match in. I will definitely be around tomorrow evening to play.

[fuzzyslug]

balut and I are scheduled to play tomorrow sometime, btw. Thanks for letting me play. I'll be sure to lose early and let others have the fun. :)

[forgeforsaken]

They just announced the replay functionality is due the 24th, as well as double blind select.

[CLWheeljack]

I'm confused about the "tournament patch". It looks like it sets up random "tournament ranked" matches, that just get you a different kind of BP. Does the new tournament system allow for private tournaments (like this one) as well?

[Jon Rowe]

There was nothing about private tournaments mentioned at all.

[MattKeil]

This is one of the things I will be asking for clarification on at the finals tomorrow night.

[Dave Long]

I'd be ok with tourneys being ranked only if the ranking is separate from the normal battle points as long as we can set them up ourselves. I would imagine you can start a tournament and invite friends and then it seeds based on BP or something. That would make the most sense.

Maybe I have too much faith in common sense, though. :)

[Reldan]

I'd give them props for including double blind select, except as it was already in SSF2T:HDR for obvious reason which came out much earlier, it amazes me they didn't think to include it for ranked matches in SF4 out of the gate.

Ahh... the fun of watching the character select timer count down to 1 second EVERY match so each person can avoid getting counter picked. It's like a game within the game!

[theborbes]

Reldan, they did think of it, they just chose not to use double blind. Sounds useless but I can't remember where exactly I read that but it was around the time the HDremix guy started talking smack.

[MattKeil]

I don't care about double blind selection itself because counter-picking is generally useless in SF4 unless you're dealing with very disparate skill levels between the two players, but I'm glad they're adding it so I don't have to deal with the people who do think it matters. For some reason when I see that the other player is clearly waiting for me to pick first, it irritates me and makes me try to wait them out.

[forgeforsaken]

There definitely are some character matchups that are unbalanced, but beyond that there are also personal matchups where your may have trouble with character X when playing A but not B, even if the the characters in theory are equal, for the player the matchup may not be.

[DeathMonkey]

DeathMonkey (Ryu) > JonDanger (Ken) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N13Rk0rXRho)
DeathMonkey (Ryu) > JonDanger (Fei Long) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQT8U_-GMw8)

Thanks for playing Jon!

As you can tell, the first set of fights were far friendlier than the second. Only have video of one round of the second fight were Jon beat me with Fei Long.

-Scott-

[Jon Rowe]

I won a round!!!!!

[gamadict]

What the heck do you do against an El Fuerte who does that running body splash over and over so you can't get up? I gave a guy 3 free wins tonight because I couldn't stop it

[theborbes]

obviously I'm not one to answer that but i'd assume a shoryuken on wake, or perhaps a EX shoryuekn would do the deal. Perhaps we should ask our resident expert wonderpug... :(

[MattKeil]

Finals beginning now. Justin Wong is favored to win.

[MattKeil]

Final match is Justin Wong (Rufus) versus Mike Ross (Honda). Should be a tough one.

Edit: And your winner is Justin Wong. Rufus is a beast.

[Reldan]

Reldan (Dan) > Wallapunctus (Cammy)
Reldan (Dan) > Wallapunctus (Zangief)

Saikyo is the greatest! Gadoken!

[MattKeil]

So after Justin won the national tournament, they had a mini-international championship in which Poongko (Korean national SF4 champion), Iyo (Japanese national SF4 champion) and Daigo (Japanese player famous for his insane Third Strike comeback (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEWSO6NrQo) against the same Justin Wong at EVO 2004) played against Justin and each other for the "international title."

I have never seen the game played at such a level. The match between Pungko (Ryu) and Iyo (Dhalsim) featured exchanges and combos I could never even have imagined. Pungko pulled off a 16-hit combo with Ryu that was a thing of absolute beauty. Daigo won overall, but all four of them were incredible to watch. Hopefully the matches were recorded and can be put up on YouTube for all to see.

Edit: Poongko vs. Iyo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd-OOrrP7ew) from last night. Highlights include Poongko's beautiful 16-hit combo at 1:12, another beauty at 2:40, Dhalsim's immediate answer to that, and Poongko's incredible comeback at 4:00 featuring two split-second timing Dragon Punches through Dhalsim's Ultra and Super. One of the best matches I've ever seen in any fighting game.

[Jasper]

That was some sweet play by Dhalsim.

A couple of other clips:
4/18/09 Gamestop SFIV US National Tournament Finals Mike Ross vs Justin Wong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz2_8jliXxM) [Honda vs. Rufus, fuzzy]
4/18/09 Gamestop SFIV International Tournament Poongko vs Justin Wong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfQdA0HfdOU) [Ryu vs. Rufus]
4/18/09 Gamestop SFIV International Tournament Poongko vs Daigo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOJvCvD-nv4) [Ryu vs. Ryu]
4/18/09 Gamestop SFIV International Tournament Iyo vs Daigo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSiOyDKgp5Q) [Dhalsim vs. Ryu

[wonderpug]

What the heck do you do against an El Fuerte who does that running body splash over and over so you can't get up? I gave a guy 3 free wins tonight because I couldn't stop it

What character are you using?

[gamadict]

What character are you using?

Abel. I did switch up to Cammy the last fight and had a little success doing cannon spikes, but can't really pull it off too consistently with the 360 pad

[Scourge]

You can focus the splash, then dash in and punish with a fat combo. Alternatively, the easiest option is neutral jump (jump up) + HK. It will do fine if you have trouble focusing.
Sky fall will work too, but as is always the case with it, the timing and positioning are kinda strict.

[balut]

Okay, Fuzzyslug (Dictator) and I (Abel) just finished our fights.

Fight 1: Fuzzyslug wins, 3-1
Fight 2: Balut wins, 3-2
Fight 3: Fuzzyslug wins, 3-0

So Fuzzyslug (Dictator) moves on.

Neither of us switched up characters during the fight, and despite the scores in fights 1 and 3, it was surprisingly close the whole way.

[fuzzyslug]

Neither of us switched up characters during the fight, and despite the scores in fights 1 and 3, it was surprisingly close the whole way.

Very much so. They were great matches. They were also pretty unique. I don't run up against many Abel characters online.

[Jasper]

You can focus the splash, then dash in and punish with a fat combo. Alternatively, the easiest option is neutral jump (jump up) + HK. It will do fine if you have trouble focusing.
If you focus attack, don't you risk getting neck grabbed instead?

[Shieldwolf]

Never mind my pm, but I want in on the next one. I'm so peeved I didn't know about this!!!!

[wonderpug]

You can focus the splash, then dash in and punish with a fat combo. Alternatively, the easiest option is neutral jump (jump up) + HK. It will do fine if you have trouble focusing.
Sky fall will work too, but as is always the case with it, the timing and positioning are kinda strict.
As Jasper said, it's easy to switch to a grab if I haven't already picked my attack button. Even if I've already committed to the splash, if I see you charging a focus I could just hold the joystick in the direction I was running to land safely behind you.

Abel. I did switch up to Cammy the last fight and had a little success doing cannon spikes, but can't really pull it off too consistently with the 360 pad
It's pretty hard to hit Fuerte's splashes with cannon spikes because of the way the cannon spike moves, but you have a chance of at least escaping the splash. You could try an air throw. I was playing a Chun Li earlier who was pretty consistently grabbing me out of my splash-type attacks.

As Abel it's pretty damn hard to get the Falling Sky to hit Fuerte's splashes. Maybe there's a trick to it but usually it's pretty easy for me to land behind the Falling Sky hit box. I'm not that experienced with Abel but I would think his Marseilles Roll would be very effective at dodging those Fuerte moves.

[theborbes]

I had an amazing moment today, was just about beat by a cammy (i was ken, naturally), and then the worst happened: she pulled off an ultra. But, BUT, just before she hit me I managed to accurately hit my own ultra, and murdered her for the final win.

It was a moment a lot like that huge comeback linked above, except I didn't have a horde of gamers joining me

[wonderpug]

I had an amazing moment today, was just about beat by a cammy (i was ken, naturally), and then the worst happened: she pulled off an ultra. But, BUT, just before she hit me I managed to accurately hit my own ultra, and murdered her for the final win.

It was a moment a lot like that huge comeback linked above, except I didn't have a horde of gamers joining me

With some exceptions, you can almost always counter someone's ultra with your own ultra.

[Scourge]

If you focus attack, don't you risk getting neck grabbed instead?

The option is selected during the Habanero dash, you can't be grabbed while a press has commenced. Now, the throw animation starts like the press animation so you can be fooled, but this is a matter of mind games, which is the main reason you should be playing this game, anyways.
Focus attacks can be dash canceled, so take advantage of this if you see the smash is going to cross you. You should always dash cancel FAs, no matter if they are hitting or not. If you wait to see if it hits, it is already too late to dash.
A lvl 2 FA canceled by a dash + simple HP Tornado Throw is more than 250 dmg, which hurts Fuerte a lot, considering he doesn't have much health to start with. And you can always land an ultra after the FA if you have it charged.

You don't want to only use this, of course, cause you will get predictable and beg to be thrown. Mix it up with other options and capitalize on it when the FA lands. Rolling around can help you avoid getting hit, and is in tune with the seemingly chaotic nature of vs Fuerte fights, but don't over-rely on it, unless it sets the opponent up for some damage. You can throw or hit El Fuerte out of the Habanero Dash (ex version has armor, though), so you can roll in and try to throw. But remember that you can get thrown out of the roll, too. :)

[Hunty]

That's great advice, actually, and I envy players of the level able to actually bring that sort of thought process to bear in an actual fight. Any fights I have I'm pretty much purely reacting, with a vague smattering of strategies I half-remember from here. I still get a reasonableish success rate with my Zangief though. The Ultra on wakeup seems to catch a lot of people off guard and has netted me a fair few comebacks.

Got absolutely dominated by some guy as Blanka last night though. He was phenomenal. I got a couple of decent approaches and throws in, but he was bouncing around, crossing me up, doing ex rolls that I'd block but then instantly zipping a low punch back across the screen... It was kind of amazing to be on the end of, really. Real class, obvious even to my scrubby eyes. He had like 9000BP, which is an incredible amount. I hadn't seen anybody with more than 1500 before. He got precisely +1 from the victory over me!

[wonderpug]

Whatever you do, though, don't try to focus attack absorb if El Fuerte is dashing away from you before doing his attack. The running away one is almost always going to be the grab that hits whether you're blocking high or low.

[Jasper]

A lvl 2 FA canceled by a dash + simple HP Tornado Throw is more than 250 dmg, which hurts Fuerte a lot, considering he doesn't have much health to start with. And you can always land an ultra after the FA if you have it charged.
Good point. Generally if I can see something coming, I'd rather go for a counter that was better than 50/50, but being able to stitch in your ultra can make it worth the risk.

[Wallapuctus]

Reldan (Dan) > Wallapunctus (Cammy)
Reldan (Dan) > Wallapunctus (Zangief)

Saikyo is the greatest! Gadoken!
Next tourney I am not accepting any matches after doing shots of bourbon. :)

[theborbes]

Borbes (Ken) > Deathmonkey (Ryu)
Borbes (ken) > Deathmonkey (Ryu)

fun games :) this is the first time I've ever participated in a forum tournament or anything like this and it has been loads of fun/laughter!

looks like i'm up against abel or blanka next... must return to practising...

[forgeforsaken]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/forgeforsaken/posts/sf4w1.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/forgeforsaken/posts/sf4l1-1.jpg

[Harkonis]

I notice wonderpug conveniently didn't post ;)

Harkonis (Gen) < wonderpug (El Fuerte)
Harkonis (Guile) > wonderpug (El Fuerte)
Harkonis (Guile) > wonderpug (Cammy)

Harkonis (definitely) > wonderpug

[Jasper]

Gen vs. El Fuerte? Tell me you got video of that!

[wonderpug]

Gen vs. El Fuerte? Tell me you got video of that!

Yes but the second and third video files mysteriously got corrupted...

Uploading and processing them, should be ready in the morning.

[Jasper]

I hope it's as crazy and chaotic as I expect. :-)

[Harkonis]

I was very disappointed in myself. :(

[wonderpug]

I notice wonderpug conveniently didn't post ;)

Harkonis (Gen) < wonderpug (El Fuerte)
Harkonis (Guile) > wonderpug (El Fuerte)
Harkonis (Guile) > wonderpug (Cammy)

Harkonis (definitely) > wonderpug

Hark vs wonderpug Match 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZGEfkXeiBc&fmt=18)
Hark vs wonderpug Match 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhFwdNkFB6Y&fmt=18)
Hark vs wonderpug Match 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7lhfiH0A0Y&fmt=18)

First match was intense; last two matches were just embarrassing. I've played Hark hundreds of times prior to this and he's never played a Guile anything like that Guile. Half of my incompetence in match 2 and 3 came from the sheer unexpectedness of the situation. Well played on the secret weapon. It worked.

In retrospect I'm realizing who I should've chosen instead of Cammy for the final round, but well, we'll have to save that for the next tournament match...

[Harkonis]

As if I'll pick Guile. lol ;)

I'm already working on my next ultimate fighter to prove axioms on you.

edit: rewatching the gen vs elf battle and I'm even more upset. I had you many times and my damn ultra didn't come out and I did that stupid handstand kick for the lose.

[wonderpug]

Well if it makes you feel any better, Elf vs Guile round 2 was pretty much an entire round of me messing up moves. :)

[Jasper]

Street Fighter does have an annoying tendency to turn on whiffed moves. Especially using the default controller. :-(

[Jon Rowe]

yeah, I have a hell of a time pulling off ultras in the heat of the battle.

[wonderpug]

Street Fighter does have an annoying tendency to turn on whiffed moves. Especially using the default controller. :-(

I agree that things like the simplified Shoryuken inputs can increase the occurence of wrong moves, but in my case it was really just a case of my nerves causing me to screw up the inputs.

[Jasper]

I don't mean so much the chance of unexpected moves, which rarely happens to me (outside of a few corner cases), but rather the difficulty of executing all the strict combos with windows just a few frames wide.

I like lots of things about Street Fighter, but this has never been one of them. I much prefer the more relaxed approach in something like Dark Stalkers.

[forgeforsaken]

Bison is a big offender with me for doing the wrong move, as I end up teleporting half the time I try to do the ultra.

[Jasper]

Yeah, that's one of my corner cases too. Scourge's trick of ending with the stick diagonally up helps, but I still do it.

At least it's not Vega's Super/Ultra, which I generally fail under pressure. :-(

[Dave Long]

Bison is a big offender with me for doing the wrong move, as I end up teleporting half the time I try to do the ultra.
As you guys could see and hear in the video I posted, that's the biggest issue with not practicing with him for a bit before you take on a tourney fight. :)

[Ryan Markel]

I missed out on this, apparently, but if you do it again I'd like to be in on it.

[fenrrris]

I didn't so much miss out as get completely housed in the first round, but I'd also be game for a second tournament.

[Arioch]

Sorry guys, but I gotta bow out. This took longer than I thought it would, and I reached my threshold of paying for a rented game. I would have lost to Reldan either way.

[theborbes]

Sorry guys, but I gotta bow out. This took longer than I thought it would, and I reached my threshold of paying for a rented game. I would have lost to Reldan either way.

you should be like me and just return it and immediately rent it again... after paying 2 weeks worth of fines... :(

[MattKeil]

That's why you purchase the game, silly geese.

I hit 50 hours played last night with an online record (so far) of 281 wins and 89 losses.

[theborbes]

yes, i'm waiting for a big pile of cash to land on my doorstep (tax returns) before I buy it. I really didn't think I'd have to wait a week in between matches :P But im not backing out while I still have a shot at the championship!

[notatiger]

So, shift6 and balut, are y'all going to have your match soon? I am eager to avenge my defeat!

[forgeforsaken]

ForgeForsaken (Zangief) > Fuzzyslug (Bison)
ForgeForsaken (Zangief) > Fuzzyslug (Bison)

Good games. Despite Fuzzyslug saying he sucked these were fairly close.

[fuzzyslug]

ForgeForsaken (Zangief) > Fuzzyslug (Bison)
ForgeForsaken (Zangief) > Fuzzyslug (Bison)

Good games. Despite Fuzzyslug saying he sucked these were fairly close.

I speak the truth! It helps me deal with the pain. :)

[shift6]

So, shift6 and balut, are y'all going to have your match soon? I am eager to avenge my defeat!
Sorry. We should be having it this weekend. I had to wait so long while the previous bracket was resolved that now I'm in the middle of real life nonsense like exams and stuff. I will make time though.

[forgeforsaken]

ForgeForsaken(Zangief) < Gamadict (Abel)
ForgeForsaken (Blanka) < Gamadict (Abel)

[gamadict]

Pretty close-run first match, as I expected vs. Zangief. Second match with Blanka was surprisingly easier, he's usually my toughest matchup. Fortunately forge didn't realize that I'd be done if he just did beast roll over and over

[Harkonis]

Pretty close-run first match, as I expected vs. Zangief. Second match with Blanka was surprisingly easier, he's usually my toughest matchup. Fortunately forge didn't realize that I'd be done if he just did beast roll over and over
I'm up for playing this mostly whenever. usually I'm always on either xfire or xbox. however the next couple days are the critical stages of a new friendship with a hot chick who thinks I'm hot too ;) I might be busy for a couple days.

ps... I HATE playing abel. :P

[Harkonis]

Harkonis (Gen) < Gamadict (Abel)
Harkonis (Dictator) > Gamadict (Abel)
Harkonis (Dictator) > Gamadict (Abel)

man that was tough!

[gamadict]

I think every match was 3-2. A lot of fun, but also really frustrating. Qt3 computer fighting glory was almost mine!
Basically undone by inability to block and use/avoid ultras. Hark tagged me with bison's ultra probably every round

[forgeforsaken]

K, now we just need to get the loser bracket done so we can have the final.

[forgeforsaken]

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=plJgwmFkHXJqYPkkzIH-bXg&gid=0

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/forgeforsaken/posts/sf4w2.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/forgeforsaken/posts/sf4l2.jpg

[Equis]

Harkonis (Gen) < Gamadict (Abel)
Harkonis (Dictator) > Gamadict (Abel)
Harkonis (Dictator) > Gamadict (Abel)

man that was tough!

Any chance of a playback?

[MattKeil]

If anything it seems the patch has made matchmaking worse. I get even lower-ranked players than before in the 1 out of 30 or so people I try to play. Irritating.

If their game is "full" why do you show them to me fifty times?

[Harkonis]

my matchmaking has been smooth as silk today. I've only been playing championship mode though. not touching ranked again if I can help it.

been playing against some really good players and good connections too.

[forgeforsaken]

Yeah, switch to Championship mode Matt. I've even been playing a wide range of characters in it too.

[shift6]

notatiger (Blanka) < shift6 (Blanka)
notatiger (C.Viper) > shift6 (Blanka)
notatiger (C.Viper) < shift6 (Blanka)

And each match went to a full count of 2-and-2 before a final match. Each one! Good times.

[Reldan]

Reldan (Dan) > fuzzyslug (Bison)
Reldan (Dan) > fuzzyslug (Bison)

Thanks for the games, I'm glad we were able to find a time to get our match in.

[forgeforsaken]

I'd really like to finish this up this week if possible.

[shift6]

theborbes (Ken) < shift6 (Blanka)
theborbes (Ken) < shift6 (Blanka)

edit: my bad

[theborbes]

I got destroyed :( but ya made a mistake shift, I didn't play as blanka until AFTER you had officially beaten me for your rounds. just so no one's confused.
It was actually

Borbes (ken) < Shift6 (blanka)
Borbes (ken) < Shift6 (blanka)

[Dave Long]

MattKeil > Dave Long
MattKeil > Dave Long

I probably should've given up on Bison after the first match loss, but instead I toughed it out until the end. Good luck to Matt and everyone else left!

[forgeforsaken]

ForgeForsaken (Zangief) < Shift6 (Blanka)
ForgeForsaken (Blanka) > Shift6 (Blanka)
ForgeForsaken (Blanka) > Shift6 (Blanka)

In the rematch bout, Shift absolutely destroyed my Zangief and even got a perfect. The followup Blanka fights were amazingly close with the third match going a full 5 rounds and me winning with a sliver (and I mean sliver) of health off a well timed Ultra.

[shift6]

Seriously dude, that might have been the closest set of matches evar. I think just about every Blanka v Blanka round ended with the winner having only a mote of health. Great times. Thanks for running the tourney!

[Cossix]

Man if you guys do this again I'll get in on whatever PS3 action you may or may not have. I just missed the start for some reason :(

[fenrrris]

Seriously. I learned to not suck quite as hard. Please QT3SFIVT2!

[forgeforsaken]

Seriously. I learned to not suck quite as hard. Please QT3SFIVT2!

We still need to finish version one! Almost there though...

[wonderpug]

MattKeil & Reldan, I don't know who's waiting on who but if either of you wants to I'd be happy to preemptively play one or both of the potential followup matches so that whenever you guys finish your match we'll be able to fastforward things up to the match with Forge. Just shoot me a PM.

[MattKeil]

Probably a good idea. I haven't been on much recently, and when I have been it hasn't been the same times as Reldan.

I think for the next tourney there should be times pre-decided on for each round to be played, so we're all playing the matches within a few hours of one another.

[MattKeil]

MattKeil (Guile) vs. Reldan (Dan)
MattKeil (Guile) vs. Reldan (Akuma)

[Reldan]

Thanks for the matches Matt, and I apologize to everyone for the delay in getting these games in. I agree that some sort of reasonable time schedule might sort these issues out. The worst case scenario is that no-shows forfeit, but the benefit is that we might be able to do 3-4 tournaments in the timeframe we're currently struggling to finish one in, so there'd be plenty more opportunities to jump back in.

[MattKeil]

I think the first solution to try might be that when forge puts up the rules/regulations for the next tourney, he also puts up time windows for each round. Such as:

First Round - Monday 5/11 to Wednesday 5/13
Second Round - Thursday 5/14 to Friday 5/15

And so on. That way you can sort of plan ahead to have those days somewhat available, and if you know you can't make them you can opt out of the tourney and get the next one.

[Harkonis]

That's what I suggested before the start of the tourney, but I think forge thought that might feel too draconian to some of the people. We ran into this on the other tourney for GT/GWJ. I think you have to have a hard limit w/forfeit otherwise it just goes nowhere. :(

[Reldan]

That's what I suggested before the start of the tourney, but I think forge thought that might feel too draconian to some of the people. We ran into this on the other tourney for GT/GWJ. I think you have to have a hard limit w/forfeit otherwise it just goes nowhere. :(

It can be tough for some people to be able to play on a work night, especially when differing time zones get involved. I might almost be easier to run a round robin and let people have a myriad number of people to play against at any given time.

[MattKeil]

Maybe someone should work up a "Qt3 - Fighters" gamertag to keep track of everyone involved in this and any future (*cough*KOF12*cough*) tourneys?

[Shieldwolf]

Is there another tourney coming up? I'm all for jumping in.

[wonderpug]

The rematch!

MattKeil (Guile) vs wonderpug (El Fuerte) 2.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2czyoYjsKE&fmt=18)
MattKeil (Guile) vs wonderpug (El Fuerte) 2.2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe51Za8LBME&fmt=18)
MattKeil (Guile) vs wonderpug (El Fuerte) 2.3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GsUwuqyrqs&fmt=18)

Great matches, Matt. Will comment more later.

[Wallapuctus]

I haven't tried the new tournament patch yet, but is there a way to use that functionality to run the next tourney?

I'm sure I'll go out without winning a round again but it's still lots of fun to play people who don't insult me the entire time.

[wonderpug]

I haven't tried the new tournament patch yet, but is there a way to use that functionality to run the next tourney?

I'm sure I'll go out without winning a round again but it's still lots of fun to play people who don't insult me the entire time.

Sadly, no. The new mode is a ton of fun and has breathed a lot of new life into the "play against strangers" side of the game, but there's absolutely nothing added that can help in these kinds of tournaments. Too bad they didn't at least add an option to turn on blind character select in private matches since they already made the function for Championship Mode.

[MattKeil]

I still don't see why they can't do something like the lobby system in HD Remix and MvC2 that lets multiple players do a "winner stays" party group kind of thing. It would make it a lot easier to do tournament style stuff.

[forgeforsaken]

ForgeForsaken (Zangief) < MattKeil (Guile)
ForgeForsaken (Blanka) < MattKeil (Guile)

[fuzzyslug]

I still don't see why they can't do something like the lobby system in HD Remix and MvC2 that lets multiple players do a "winner stays" party group kind of thing. It would make it a lot easier to do tournament style stuff.

Me either. Is it a huge oversight or something they expect us to pay for one day?

Still, what the hell?

[wonderpug]

Me either. Is it a huge oversight or something they expect us to pay for one day?

Still, what the hell?

"We wanted to focus on the 1 vs 1 experience" or something. I think they've also said "the game is pushing the limits of the systems so much there's just no room for spectator functions." Bullshit either way; I'm pretty sure just about everyone would be happy to have a little extra lag in order to have an online version of gathering around the TV and passing the controller around. If not, it's not like you'd be forced to use the lobbies.

[Dave Long]

Dead or Alive 4 had it around launch. Capcom are just giving excuses.

[Jon Rowe]

Yeah, I can imagine myself playing this one online a lot more of it had a lobby/ quarter up mode.

[MattKeil]

MattKeil (Guile) vs. Gamadict (Abel)
MattKeil (Guile) vs. Gamadict (Abel)
MattKeil (Guile) vs. Gamadict (Abel)

[forgeforsaken]

And we are on to the championship!

MattKeil v. Harkonis.

Remember this is double elimination, so where Harkonis has yet to have his first loss he must lose two sets of games to be knocked out.

[wonderpug]

MattKeil (Guile) vs. Gamadict (Abel)
MattKeil (Guile) vs. Gamadict (Abel)
MattKeil (Guile) vs. Gamadict (Abel)

Wish that was recorded!

[Dave Long]

Agreed. I'd like to see that.

One of these days I'll post the matches Matt and I played. I can't find the damn cord to charge my camera, though. :(

I don't feel so bad anymore. I lost to Gamadict and Keil and both went deep in the tournament.

[gamadict]

To give a brief synopsis, basically MattKeil threw sonic booms then followed them in with sweeps(I am not good at blocking), I did the typical roll around and throw thing. Really butchered the deciding match when I blocked an ultra then somehow failed to land any counter when we were both near-dead. Additionally, I kept picking Ryu on the rematches because I'm used to having the last guy I picked already highlighted on the character select screen and also because I'm dumb

[MattKeil]

In the third match I finally remembered you can throw Abel out of his roll, which would have been tremendously helpful in the other two matches. It's really impressive to me that Gamadict can time the rolls to be in the perfect throwing position so many times in a round. No matter what I tried to do, over half the time I ended up landing right where he wanted me. I usually try to use the Sonic Boom to control the opponent's movement (most people behave fairly predictably when confronted with a projectile), but it was almost totally useless in this match.

[Harkonis]

I'm currently very ill, but once it passes I'll be happy to knock out the final matches.

[GloriousMess]

This thread alone is almost persuading me to grab a current generation console and SF4. At the risk of derailing this thread slightly, can anyone recommend a joypad (not arcade stick) for either console that is similar in feel to the SNES pad? I feel such a thing would be a clincher.

[wonderpug]

This thread alone is almost persuading me to grab a current generation console and SF4. At the risk of derailing this thread slightly, can anyone recommend a joypad (not arcade stick) for either console that is similar in feel to the SNES pad? I feel such a thing would be a clincher.

Take a look at the FightPad by Madcatz.

[extarbags]

Take a look at the FightPad by Madcatz.

Yeah, on the internet, because that's as close as you're ever going to get to one.

But seriously folks: the FightPad is so awesome. I love mine so much that I'll probably buy a second one if I ever see one. It's great for fighting games at the non-godly level, and it's also great for 2d games on XBLA or in, let's say, Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection. Also, it works as a PC gamepad too, so it's great for whatever you play there. It seriously rules, get one.

[GloriousMess]

Crikey they are expensive, the UK Ebay site lists them for around £40 and up. Fourty quid for a single pad!

I must have one. When I get the console.

[Shieldwolf]

Please let me know when there is another SFIV tourney. I want in!!!

[Scourge]

This thread alone is almost persuading me to grab a current generation console and SF4. At the risk of derailing this thread slightly, can anyone recommend a joypad (not arcade stick) for either console that is similar in feel to the SNES pad? I feel such a thing would be a clincher.


I recommend the Sega Saturn style USB pads. You can grab one on ebay for around $20. It will work on PC and PS3.