PETA: Cooking Momma ripoff. [Archive] - Quarter To Three Forums

extarbags

11-17-2008, 09:20 AM

The idea is to get people to get Majesco to make a Vegetarian version for Cooking Mama. It's not to get people to stop eating meat, though I'm sure that'd be nice, too.

Can't say that I oppose the idea. Vegetarian recipes can be delicious.

What's the connection between that and Cooking Mama, though?

skedastic

11-17-2008, 09:24 AM

I'm going to side with Tony Bourdain on this one (and I used to be a vegetarian).

The PETA game reminds me I want to try cooking a turducken for Amurcan thanksgiving.

Vegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter faction, the vegans, are a persistent irritant to any chef worth a damn. To me, life without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living. Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, and an affront to all I stand for, the pure enjoyment of food.

Charles

11-17-2008, 09:27 AM

This thread just reminded me how much I love eating dead animals. The more the merrier.

/me continues munching on his rotisserie chicken sandwich.

Sol Invictus

11-17-2008, 09:29 AM

I'm eating a burger as I play their cooking mama game. Beef is mmm mmm delicious.

AndrewM

11-17-2008, 09:32 AM

I'm okay with not having organ meat.

Griddle

11-17-2008, 09:34 AM

Best part of this game is the chicken eggs bleeding when you crack them.

Sol Invictus

11-17-2008, 09:35 AM

I've had eggs with half-born chickens in them. Freaking nasty. Aren't they supposed to all be sterile?

Aeon221

11-17-2008, 09:43 AM

Tony Bourdain is boring to watch anyway. And damn, what a close minded view of food! Once I got away from meat, I found myself trying out a vastly larger and more interesting variety of nommables.

Looks like maybe PETA may have infringed a bit, you be the judge.

http://www.peta.org/cooking-mama/index.asp?c=pcmgb08

Personally, I think they need to maybe shut the living hell up, that could just be the beef stew talking.

Wouldn't this be protected as satire, or perhaps as political speech?

Gendal

11-17-2008, 09:44 AM

I can't wait for the forced feeding of a duck simulation, because I love me some Foie Gras. Sweet breads are great too, where is my thymus plucking sim!

skedastic

11-17-2008, 09:56 AM

Tony Bourdain is boring to watch anyway. And damn, what a close minded view of food!

Tony Bourdain is a class-A asshole, to be sure. But he certainly does not have a closed-minded view of food. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovwj0FYN0Qg) ("It kind of pumps on the way down, too." Awesome.)

Once I got away from meat, I found myself trying out a vastly larger and more interesting variety of nommables. Ah feel your pain, having been a vegetarian for three years. Shed your leafy shackles and gorge on our furry and feathered friends! All you have to fear is over-dressed yet somehow under-seasoned lettuce itself.

Wallapuctus

11-17-2008, 09:58 AM

Is cooking mama really this hard to play? Half the time my clicking does nothing :(

btw I'm having pizza for Thanksgiving. And Indian curry... and burritos. I'm sick of the turkey and 5 bowls of different colored mush paradigm. I will eat the food I like god damn it, and I am sick of bland potatoes and gourds.

nKoan

11-17-2008, 10:14 AM

Tony Bourdain is a class-A asshole, to be sure. But he certainly does not have a closed-minded view of food. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovwj0FYN0Qg)

Ah feel your pain, having been a vegatarian for three years. Shed your leafy shackles and gorge on our furry and feathered friends! All you have to fear is over-dressed and under-seasoned lettuce itself.

I'm a half-vegetarian myself.

VegasRobb

11-17-2008, 10:24 AM

When is "Raw Foodist Momma" coming out?

scharmers

11-17-2008, 10:32 AM

delicious food animals...when the wife and I are eating some sort of beef, it's never "hamburger" or "steak" or whatever...it's "delicious cow"

too many vegans have not grown up or around farms, or really poor areas...the sentimentality goes away real quick

LionelThompson

11-17-2008, 10:36 AM

I'm convinced, I won't make turkey for Thanksgiving.

(I'm making ribs and pork butt instead)

Telefrog

11-17-2008, 11:20 AM

If they make a Toss Flour on the Spoiled Brat (http://www.theinsider.com/news/1352050_Exclusive_Pic_Lindsay_Lohan_Caked_in_Flour ) game, I'd certainly be interested in getting those Achievements.

Jason McMaster

11-17-2008, 11:38 AM

you know, I hate PETA and it's not because I hate animals. In fact, I love them. No, there's no BBQ LOLOLOL joke involved in that, I'm an animal person. I have 4 cats and would have more if I could afford them. That aside, PETA is one of the most wrongheaded and despicable groups out there. Because of shit like this, PETA can go fuck themselves.

They spend a lot of time targeting kids for this kind of thing. Makes sense in a lot of ways and maybe if they had some sort of tact it would work. However, you're only a kid once and there is no need for a child to have to see/know these things. the rest of your life is fucked up enough, let the kids have a few years of innocence, you fucks.

Griddle

11-17-2008, 11:43 AM

When is "Raw Foodist Momma" coming out?
The production was held up because there were logistical problems trying to get enough hemp for the packaging. The devs kept smoking it all.

Ben Sones

11-17-2008, 11:43 AM

Hey, you guys hungry? I brought some lunch...

http://www.odditorium.net/peta.jpg

Bad Neighbor

11-17-2008, 12:32 PM

I'm sick of the turkey and 5 bowls of different colored mush paradigm. I will eat the food I like god damn it, and I am sick of bland potatoes and gourds.

You're doing it wrong.

Griddle

11-17-2008, 12:34 PM

Hey, you guys hungry? I brought some lunch...

http://www.odditorium.net/peta.jpg
This is simply awesome, I would have loved to have been there just to see the entire rainbow of emotions going on. Chicken bucket guy just looks so happy. :)

Tim Partlett

11-17-2008, 12:49 PM

Vegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter faction, the vegans, are a persistent irritant to any chef worth a damn. To me, life without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living. Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, and an affront to all I stand for, the pure enjoyment of food.

So if torturing dogs to death makes them a more enjoyable meal, we should never criticise Koreans for doing that, right?

I mean it's enjoying the food that counts, screw everything else...

Wallapuctus

11-17-2008, 12:49 PM

You're doing it wrong.

This is exactly my problem with the holiday. Why can't I eat foods I like? Why do I have to adhere to the traditional turkey, cranberry sauce, squash, and boiled onions?

I bet Peta would be super happy if I had Indian lentils for Thanksgiving. I tried vegan cheese pizza once and it tasted like shit, though.

Ben Sones

11-17-2008, 01:03 PM

So if torturing dogs to death makes them a more enjoyable meal, we should never criticise Koreans for doing that, right?

I mean it's enjoying the food that counts, screw everything else...

I don't think many people would object to the idea that food animals should be treated humanely. That is not, however, PETA's agenda.

Sol Invictus

11-17-2008, 01:17 PM

I've had a lot of shitty poultry and shitty steaks. But that doesn't mean they're all shitty. Likewise, there's plenty of shitty vegetarian food out there, but that doesn't mean it's all shitty. You just have to find the right place.

I don't think many people would object to the idea that food animals should be treated humanely. That is not, however, PETA's agenda.
It's part of it. That's what the KFC and Thanksgiving turkey protests are about. But by all means, keep eating all that food so you can continue to support farmers that don't give a shit about how poorly the animals are treated. If it tastes great, who cares, right? Who cares that they the cow or pig you're eating was tortured to death or strung from its legs (which eventually broke) without even having its brains fried/boltgunned beforehand.

I like steak as much as anyone else, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

Ben Sones

11-17-2008, 01:28 PM

It's part of it. That's what the KFC and Thanksgiving turkey protests are about.

I don't disagree with the rest of what you said, but PETA's stance is not that food animals should be treated more humanely, but rather than animals should not be used for food at all. That's right on the front page of their website, right under the list of articles defining their principles (article #1: "Animals are not ours to eat").

Royal Fool

11-17-2008, 01:49 PM

I don't disagree with the rest of what you said, but PETA's stance is not that food animals should be treated more humanely, but rather than animals should not be used for food at all. That's right on the front page of their website, right under the list of articles defining their principles (article #1: "Animals are not ours to eat").

They're against eating, wearing, experimenting on, being entertained by and abusing animals - I can really only agree with them on that last part.

In PETA's ideal world, all animals would roam free and we would not consume any of their produce, nor would we wear clothes made from any of their parts (that means leather, silk, wool, etc.). Eating them would be punishable by death and we would not be allowed to post any images containing cats.

In short, PETA's batshit crazy.

Sol Invictus

11-17-2008, 02:38 PM

Well I can't say I'm against the eating or experimenting of animals. I can say that I'm against being entertained by and abusing animals, though. And the two of them are often the same thing, unless the majority of circus trainers managed to become less than cruel jerks while the world wasn't watching.

I don't think Seaworld is cruel, and I don't think certain Vegas acts (like Siegfried and Roy, apart from the fact that one of them had their throats bitten off) are cruel to their animals in any way, but the many circus animal displays feature animals like Gorillas and Elephants stolen from the wild whose parents were shot and killed and are forced into acting stupid for food, or else they're starved and such. It's little wonder that a lot of them go nuts and kill their trainers. Like there's that one well-known elephant in Coney Island that got killed as one of Thomas Edison's displays to show how devastating Tesla's alternating current was. What an asshole.

Anyway, wild tangent aside, a lot of animals on display or being used for the purposes of entertainment are abused, so we need to put a stop to that. They might look cute standing on one paw on a stool in front of an audience but I doubt that they enjoy it very much.

Thrag

11-17-2008, 02:59 PM

I support PETA in doing this. I mean, kids should be introduced to cooking early since it is a life skill everyone should learn. Too many adults today don't cook at all and many of those that do are wary of making a whole bird because of the thought of having to deal with meat on any level other than breading an already skinned,boneless chicken part. Removing the organs from a chicken or turkey is really no big deal at all. Getting kids comfortable with how food is really prepared so they don't end up subsisting on fast food is just plain good sense. So good on PETA, more people should be made to see that removing a chicken liver is simple and easy.

Thought they do need to change up the sequence in the game a little. The head should be removed long before stuffing.

MattKeil

11-17-2008, 03:09 PM

PETA always seemed to have a very contradictory message to me. Nature is inherently cruel. Disavowing cruelty to animals is an appeal to our higher nature as thinking animals who can choose to empathize with other animals and treat them as best we can, even when it comes to killing them for food. But PETA is also adamant that humans are no better than animals and animals are in fact our equals. But if we're equals, why should we rule out cruelty, since such things occur in nature every day (the animals in question aren't being intentionally cruel, one could argue, but I doubt the seal pups that die from being tossed 40 feet in the air by killer whales are having fun in the process) and are, in that sense, as much a part of the natural scheme of things as anything else?

I dunno, sometimes it seems like PETA needs to watch a few Richard Attenborough documentaries or something.

Funkula

11-17-2008, 03:11 PM

I can say that I'm against being entertained by and abusing animals, though.

By "entertained by," PETA is mostly talking about keeping pets.

Kalle

11-17-2008, 03:17 PM

Did Richard Attenborough get consent from the seals he exploited to make his documentaries? I think not.

Gendal

11-17-2008, 03:27 PM

dashingly

11-17-2008, 03:30 PM

They spend a lot of time targeting kids for this kind of thing (http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downloads/reference/docs/040817_petakids.pdf)Really? (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom)

I'm surprised to see this before something attacking Majesco for their reliance on sexual stereotypes.

Sol Invictus

11-17-2008, 03:37 PM

I don't like it when PETA goes crazy about people keeping pets, but when they're bringing issues like widescale animal cruelty to the public eye, they have to be lauded for it. If it wasn't for them I'd have probably never seen the videos of farmhands kicking the shit out of cows and pigs who 'move too slow' or stabbing them in the butt with sharp pokers. That's just cruel and unnecessary. There's also the video of Koreans (both men and women) ripping apart a live dog in order to kill it. Eating dogs is fucked up, but how the fuck is it even normal to rip it apart and tear its legs off while it's still alive? Apparently the people who did that think that it makes the meat more 'potent' or some other bullshit for aphrodisiac purposes. There's also the people who eat monkeys alive while scooping out their brains with chopsticks. They must be insane from all of that encephalitis.

Jason McMaster

11-17-2008, 03:40 PM

Really? (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom)

I'm surprised to see this before something attacking Majesco for their reliance on sexual stereotypes.

I searched for PETA and the mommy/daddy kills thing and that came up so I linked it after a quick skim. I guess I owe an official apology to PETA since they've been so wronged.

Malcolm Tucker

11-17-2008, 03:48 PM

http://media.filmschoolrejects.com/images/doom_monkey.jpg

MattKeil

11-17-2008, 04:01 PM

Did Richard Attenborough get consent from the seals he exploited to make his documentaries? I think not.

You know how hard it is to get a pinniped to sign a release form?

Enduro_Man

11-17-2008, 04:54 PM

If they make a Toss Flour on the Spoiled Brat (http://www.theinsider.com/news/1352050_Exclusive_Pic_Lindsay_Lohan_Caked_in_Flour ) game, I'd certainly be interested in getting those Achievements.
The comments at that link are delightful.

Aeon221

11-17-2008, 05:34 PM

Tony Bourdain is a class-A asshole, to be sure. But he certainly does not have a closed-minded view of food. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovwj0FYN0Qg) ("It kind of pumps on the way down, too." Awesome.)

There's kind of a difference between eating gross things and having a broad minded view of food. There are plenty of folks out there who can't conceive of food outside the holy trinity of cheeseburger, steak, and pigs feet. The man straight up said he can't imagine food without meat. I mean come on!

Ah feel your pain, having been a vegetarian for three years. Shed your leafy shackles and gorge on our furry and feathered friends! All you have to fear is over-dressed yet somehow under-seasoned lettuce itself.

I'm on year six as of the 11th. And dang I can imagine I would want to quit if all I ate was salad. Eww!

skedastic

11-17-2008, 05:52 PM

The man straight up said he can't imagine food without meat. I mean come on!

Give the guy a break, he ate a still-beating cobra heart! The quote, if I recall correctly (having, naturally, stolen it from the internets) was in context a complaint about vegetarian restaurants in California. Which, according to Bourdain, are an affront to la cuisine because they prepare food badly. His specific complaint was that they all dressed the salad long before the salad was to be served, which is a cooking 101 no-no. He's not opposed to fruits and vegetables so much as lousy cooking.

I'm on year six as of the 11th. And dang I can imagine I would want to quit if all I ate was salad. Eww!

You too can be born again! How about duck confit served on a Milanese risotto? Braised lamb shanks? A simple, perfectly grilled steak? Throw down your shackles, brother!

(Of course, my vegetarianism lasted exactly as long as my relationship with a vegetarian. Many years later, I'm sure glad she dumped me!)

Funkula

11-17-2008, 06:01 PM

Were you the dude with the Meat Shield or was that someone else.

Aeon221

11-17-2008, 06:05 PM

Well, shit, that has nothing to do with us vegetarians and everything to do with overpriced expensive food served by d-bags. You can get that anywhere!

I used to like meat, but it really is completely unappetizing now. Giving it up was easy, and I'm much happier with my food now.

MikeSofaer

11-17-2008, 06:08 PM

Were you the dude with the Meat Shield or was that someone else.
That was ElGuapo, and I think they were actually married. Note to readers: Do not marry a woman who won't even look at what you eat.

skedastic

11-17-2008, 06:28 PM

My attempt to convert Aeon has failed. In penance, I seared some nice thick lamb rib chops and served them with a zin reduction, crispy new potatoes (with pepper bacon!), and braised fennel.

Thrag

11-17-2008, 06:56 PM

My attempt to convert Aeon has failed. In penance, I seared some nice thick lamb rib chops and served them with a zin reduction, crispy new potatoes (with pepper bacon!), and braised fennel.

Just the other night I made some lamb loin chops that were marinated overnight in a garlic buttermilk mixture, grilled to a perfect medium rare, and drizzled with a mixture of honey and hot pepper sauce. Mmmmm.......

/Meat thread!

Jason Cross

11-17-2008, 07:09 PM

Wouldn't this be protected as satire,

It's not "cooking Papa" and it uses Majesco's name right in the game. Generally to stand up as a parody, you have to use un-trademarked stuff that just resembles something else. They'd have a hard time holding up that one.

or perhaps as political speech?

It neither supports nor proposes no legislation or candidate. In fact, it's in advocacy of a commercial product (a vegetarian version of Cooking Mama). So they'd have a hard time defending that as well.

Of course, it's not really PETA's objective to get Majesco to produce a vegetarian version of Cooking Mama. I'm quite sure they never approached Majesco with the idea, offering co-marketing support or anything like that. It's a publicity stunt meant to raise awareness and support for PETA. It's designed to get press.

Sol Invictus

11-18-2008, 01:28 AM

Has Majesco commented on the game yet?

Kirian

11-18-2008, 03:55 AM

Did Richard Attenborough get consent from the seals he exploited to make his documentaries? I think not.
Richard Attenborough is a director.

I assume you mean David Attenborough. David is the younger sibling of Richard.

If you were British you could never confuse the two. That said, slip of the tongue and all that.

Royal Fool

11-18-2008, 04:45 AM

Of course, it's not really PETA's objective to get Majesco to produce a vegetarian version of Cooking Mama. I'm quite sure they never approached Majesco with the idea, offering co-marketing support or anything like that. It's a publicity stunt meant to raise awareness and support for PETA. It's designed to get press.

I don't think Majesco would have much to say on this either way, since they're only publishing the games. I believe Taito owns the development studio (Office Create, now Cooking Mama Ltd.).

hong

11-18-2008, 04:58 AM

Apropos of nothing, Majesco sounds like a secret U.S. government operation to control the world's supply of cooking oil.

krise madsen

11-18-2008, 05:28 AM

I saw a video of some Asian restaurant cooking live cats whole in a giant pool of boiling oil. It was one of the more disturbing things I have ever seen, this coming from the guy who knows how to field dress a deer. Ten years later and I still can't get it out of my head.

So I can't totally spit in their faces with contempt, I don't like seeing wanton cruelty either.

I can. They're batshit insane. Good at marketing though. I've seen that video too. Truly awful. But from PETA's perspective, you killing and field dressing a deer, or eating a burger for that matter, is just as bad as dropping a cat in boiling oil.

Respectfully

krise madsen

Griddle

11-18-2008, 05:31 AM

Seems like the general theme of everything in the world is that when a group of folks is devout about something, the crazy-train shows up.

Sol Invictus

11-18-2008, 05:57 AM

I doubt PETA started this way. It's clearly been hijacked by the fringe element, though. Sort of like the GOP, except less disturbing.

RobotPants

11-18-2008, 06:03 AM

I remember a news story a while back where some terrorists in some middle-eastern country strapped explosives to a donkey and sent it into a populated area and then detonated it, killing several people and wounding lots more. Then PETA came out complaining that not enough news coverage was given about the fact that there was a donkey killed and omg why focus so much on the people you assholes???

krayzkrok

11-18-2008, 06:06 AM

PETA have sullied the whole concept of "animal welfare" by hijacking the issue with "animal rights". I support animal welfare (ie. no unnecessary cruelty to animals) but I do not support animal rights (ie. animals are equal to or better than humans). The former is common sense, the latter is nonsense.

Sol Invictus

11-18-2008, 06:07 AM

People aren't cute, though.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_YgoVfVgS3Xo/Rwq-1q5pJtI/AAAAAAAAAUs/4j1I4gFfV_I/s320/itsadonkey.jpg

Griddle

11-18-2008, 06:15 AM

I doubt PETA started this way. It's clearly been hijacked by the fringe element, though. Sort of like the GOP, except less disturbing.
True, kind of reminds me of the southern Church that mis-interpreted the bible into thinking it wanted them to dance around jiggling snakes and spouting gibberish. Oh humans, what won't you mis-interpret? ;)

Preacher: /reading *lightbulb*
Preacher: HEY GUYS, GET THE RATTLERS OUT, JEEBUS WANTS US TO DANCE THE SNAKE JIGGLIN' DANCE!!!
Congregation: WOOOOOO!!!

RobotPants

11-18-2008, 06:17 AM

Yeah, I have no problem at all with someone opposing animal cruelty, but animal "rights" is a whole different nut. I've seen interviews with some PETA people who were given the hypothetical question of whether or not they'd allow a dog to be killed if for some scientific reason it could cure their deathly-ill child. All of the ones interviewed chose the dog. Well, they didn't exactly choose the dog over the kid, just that there's no way they'd let the dog die even in a purely hypothetical situation.

PeterGinsberg

11-18-2008, 06:25 AM

I've seen interviews with some PETA people who were given the hypothetical question of whether or not they'd allow a dog to be killed if for some scientific reason it could cure their deathly-ill child. All of the ones interviewed chose the dog. Well, they didn't exactly choose the dog over the kid, just that there's no way they'd let the dog die even in a purely hypothetical situation.

I'm a vegetarian (20 years now), but have little patience for PETA and their ilk who do nothing but hurt the cause of animal rights (not to get too mired in semantics, but it's possible to believe in something called animal rights that does not make them equal to human rights).

My experience with the PETA people is that they actually kid themselves. PETA has literature that literally says animal research doesn't work. You convince yourself animal research is invalid and it's a lot easier to answer the sick kid/dog question.

It's really a not very surprising bit of intellectual dishonesty from the kind of person who will toss paint on a person wearing fur while wearing leather shoes.

That said, the execution is pretty nice on this game, so that's something.

Sol Invictus

11-18-2008, 06:25 AM

What if that child is the Antichrist? What then? Do we still save the child on the basis that it's a child and that we can't let children die? Will no one think of the long-term repercussions? Does allowing a child to die, never minding the fact that it's the Antichrist we're talking about, make us less than human? As bad as the Antichrist, perhaps?

Hypothetical questions suck.

Anti-Bunny

11-18-2008, 06:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0exLa6saV9o
I love those self-righteous assholes. P&T, I mean.

RobotPants

11-18-2008, 06:34 AM

Yes, of course hypothetical questions suck. Even so, I think most sane people wouldn't hesitate to say the dog should die to save their kid. :P

John Many Jars

11-18-2008, 06:43 AM

I'm a vagitarian.

Sol Invictus

11-18-2008, 06:45 AM

Griddle

11-18-2008, 06:47 AM

I'm a vagitarian.
I'm guessing you only eat pie? *rimshot*

RobotPants

11-18-2008, 06:50 AM

For me, it'd really depend on whose kid it is. Do I know the kid? Do I know the dog? If someone asked me if I'd kill my dog to save some random kid whom I don't know. I'd say no. That's ransom and I'll have none of it.

Then maybe you didn't read that I said the question was "your kid". And yes, you know the dog. His name is Scruffles. Coincidentally, the kid's name is also Scruffles.

Anders Hallin

11-18-2008, 06:57 AM

I'd sacrifice the dog. After that, I'd replay the game as a selfish character and save the dog.

krise madsen

11-18-2008, 07:02 AM

I'd sacrifice the dog. After that, I'd replay the game as a selfish character and save the dog.

I would gladly sacrifice the dog if it could make Peter Molyneux shut the fuck up.

Respectfully

krise madsen

Sol Invictus

11-18-2008, 07:09 AM

This thread got me thinking: Why do I always play good, selfless characters in RPGs like Fallout 3?

I believe that a large reason for it is because I'm used to getting a ton of rewards for playing a good character in a lot of Bioware RPGs, games wherein players would be penalized for performing any evil, or even selfish (deemed evil) actions. Playing a 'good' character in an RPG is pretty much a Pavlovian thing.

It's not Fallout 3's fault. The game pretty much goes against the grain by rewarding players for selfish, or even genuinely sociopathic behaviour. Previous Fallouts did so, too, but to much a lesser extent.

I have to blame Bioware for making poor one-sided games. For once, I'd like to play an RPG as myself, and not some goody-two-shoes selfless bringer of peace.

Griddle

11-18-2008, 07:11 AM

This thread got me thinking: Why do I always play good, selfless characters in RPGs like Fallout 3?
I have a habit of this in regards to Fable, I've beaten that game about 15 times(addict) and I could never bring myself to create an evil guy.

Sol Invictus

11-18-2008, 07:16 AM

Foxstab

11-18-2008, 07:16 AM

I liked how Pet Professional delt with PETA.

hong

11-18-2008, 09:32 PM

I'm pretty sure that I'm not an 'inherently good person', either. It's not as if I naturally gravitate to doing good things or anything like that. Just games. It's really Pavlovian. Part of me still thinks that I'll be penalized for doing bad things in games (due to the repercussions in Baldur's Gate)

Eh? You got lots of rewards for doing bad things in Baldurs Gate! Some of the best fun I had was breaking into people's houses to steal stuff like the helm of brilliance, and then thinking up tortured rationales for why this was for the greater good. The only thing BG really penalises you on is random killing of friendly NPCs, but that isn't really evil or good; it's just (within the context of the game world) being a psychotic weirdo.

and how being good will result in even better rewards. Fortunately for games, Fallout 3 and Neverwinter Nights 2 do not really reward you for being a good player. You can easily get screwed out of some of the best equipment and rewards in the game for being a selfless git.

I need to scrub my mind of Bioware's "education".

Said "education" goes both ways. On a number of occasions in FO3, you'll have the choice of two dialogue options:

- No, I'm a selfless hero, keep your reward (no money)
- Yes, give me that reward (gain money)

FO3 is Pavlovian in its own way, just the opposite to Bioware games.

tiohn

11-19-2008, 05:04 AM

If it were a choice between the dog and Sol Invictus, I'd choose the dog.

Harkonis

11-19-2008, 06:21 AM

The man straight up said he can't imagine food without meat. I mean come on!

I don't think that's what he was saying at all. It's not all about the meat, but you can't not have it either. I've seen him prepare several vegetarian dishes, but there is always some meat somewhere in the meal.

Sol Invictus

11-19-2008, 07:22 AM

If it were a choice between the dog and Sol Invictus, I'd choose the dog.

Fuck you too, pal.

tiohn

11-19-2008, 07:53 AM

Fuck you too, pal.

Ok, but we're going dutch on dinner.

Sol Invictus

11-19-2008, 08:03 AM

Ok, but we're going dutch on dinner.

Fine by me. I'm having the filet mignon.

tiohn

11-19-2008, 08:04 AM

Fine by me. I'm having the filet mignon.
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Jason McMaster

11-19-2008, 08:07 AM

great album... except for the title track.

John Many Jars

11-19-2008, 10:58 AM

You know, this thread had me considering becoming a vagan, but I think I'll stick with just being vagitarian.

Ergo

11-19-2008, 11:06 AM

I don't think that's what he was saying at all. It's not all about the meat, but you can't not have it either. I've seen him prepare several vegetarian dishes, but there is always some meat somewhere in the meal.
That's exactly it. He has nothing against vegetarian dishes; he just can't imagine a diet without meat in it.

Sol Invictus

11-19-2008, 11:17 AM

If he ever tried vegetarian dishes prepared by Buddhist monks he'd never think that way. That stuff tastes just like meat! Oftentimes, it tastes even better and because it's all made of soy or mushroom, you can eat so much more of it and have a much larger variety of food to eat every time, and in much larger quantities, too.

JamesL

11-19-2008, 11:44 AM

I think I got a 1043 on the turkey. How'd you guys do?

Adree

11-19-2008, 11:49 AM