Dragon Age Countdown...

[Mysterio]

I checked my Amazon Collector's Edition (360) order this morning and even with one day shipping they're estimating a delivery date of November 5th, which bums me out. Then I saw the regular edition has free release date shipping (for Prime members) and that ticked me off a little. I emailed them to see if they'd at least give me free one day shipping on the CE.

Edit: WOW! I've already received an email back from Amazon granting me free one day shipping on this. I'd encourage anyone else in the same boat as me to email Amazon and ask for the same.

Nice. Are you now scheduled to receive it Wednesday the 4th?

[Cormac]

Got an email right now from GAME.UK that they've shipped it to me. Wooo :)
Did you bribe them or something? My order from game.uk is apparently still being processed and the last update on the tracking info is from the 31st.


Blood sprays out when you use a slashing weapon, and it seems to be in proportion to how injured the victim is.

You have to be pretty desensitized to poo-poo the level of gore in Dragon Age. It's a graphically violent game with plenty of blood.

-Tom

Perhaps thats where the discrepancy is? Maybe Matt & Idrisz just happen to be using blunt weapons or magical attacks and not doing slashing damage?

[MSUSteve]

UGH!! I have been looking all over Amazon for a contact email for these guys... how do I contact them?
If you go to the Help section of Amazon you can click on Contact Us (https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/browse-form-dispatch/dispatch.html/ref=hp_ss_cu?ie=UTF8&nodeId=508510) on the right hand side of the page for Express Help. From there you can cycle through your already placed orders and on the right side you'll see an Email button under the Customer Service options. That'll bring up a form where you can email customer service directly.


Nice. Are you now scheduled to receive it Wednesday the 4th?
I had already scheduled it for one day shipping and the estimate was and is November 5th. Borderlands was a similar situation in that I had it scheduled for one day shipping and it was estimated to arrive on October 22nd, even though the game was to release on October 20th. The game ended up actually arriving on October 21st. I'm hoping Dragon Age will ship today and arrive tomorrow, but if it doesn't, I really expect it to arrive on the 4th, not the 5th.

[Rock8man]

I did Amazon super saver shipping and it estimates arrival on the 7th, but it will probably be earlier. It's almost annoying because I wasted all last weekend on Torchlight, and since I have Friday off from work I was really hoping to get a day and a half to work on my house and car before it arrived on Saturday. Guess I'll get some practice with my willpower.

Woah. Wait, wait, wait. Tim James is getting a game on launch and I'm not? This suddenly feels like bizarro world. The world has been turned upside down. How many games a year do you buy at launch Tim? 2 or 3 at most? Why this one?

Also: Who will be getting through your backlog while you're playing this?

[André Costa]

Did you bribe them or something? My order from game.uk is apparently still being processed and the last update on the tracking info is from the 31st.


Humm .. no. When did you order yours?

I ordered my copy at the begining of this month. Last friday got an email that they had the copy on stock. Today got that one saying it has been sent to me.

[Cormac]

Humm .. no. When did you order yours?

I ordered my copy at the begining of this month. Last friday got an email that they had the copy on stock. Today got that one saying it has been sent to me.

I placed the order on the 8th of October, not sure why the delay. A possible explanation could be that it has to be shipped to germany and is thus being processed differently?

[Jag]

The Manual (http://akamai.cdn.ea.com/eadownloads/u/f/manuals/GAME-DRAGONAGE/Manuals.zip) to hold you over.

[Abilio Carvalho]

I placed the order on the 8th of October, not sure why the delay. A possible explanation could be that it has to be shipped to germany and is thus being processed differently?

shouldn't be. I ordered mine later than the 8th, live in Switzerland, and my copy is already underway. Maybe it's the different versions? Mine is the CE.

[Benhur]

The Manual (http://akamai.cdn.ea.com/eadownloads/u/f/manuals/GAME-DRAGONAGE/Manuals.zip) to hold you over.

Good one!

[André Costa]

shouldn't be. I ordered mine later than the 8th, live in Switzerland, and my copy is already underway. Maybe it's the different versions? Mine is the CE.

Mine is the CE too and i ordered mine on the 9th.

[Benhur]

If you go to the Help section of Amazon you can click on Contact Us (https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/browse-form-dispatch/dispatch.html/ref=hp_ss_cu?ie=UTF8&nodeId=508510) on the right hand side of the page for Express Help. From there you can cycle through your already placed orders and on the right side you'll see an Email button under the Customer Service options. That'll bring up a form where you can email customer service directly.


Thank you!

[Adam Sensoy]

Those of you that have the game-is there any truth to the rumors floating around that the 360 version is considerably easier than the PC version? If so, would it be good for an RPG veteran to start on the equivalent of "hard"? Like previous Bioware games, can difficulty be changed on the fly?

[Mysterio]

I had already scheduled it for one day shipping and the estimate was and is November 5th. Borderlands was a similar situation in that I had it scheduled for one day shipping and it was estimated to arrive on October 22nd, even though the game was to release on October 20th. The game ended up actually arriving on October 21st. I'm hoping Dragon Age will ship today and arrive tomorrow, but if it doesn't, I really expect it to arrive on the 4th, not the 5th.

I'm a Prime member and received a shipping notice last night that my CE order shipped via 2nd day air, and is scheduled to arrive Wednesday. It's not Release Date Delivery, but I'll take The-Day-Following-Release-Date Delivery as opposed to the 5th.

[Tim James]

Woah. Wait, wait, wait. Tim James is getting a game on launch and I'm not? This suddenly feels like bizarro world. The world has been turned upside down. How many games a year do you buy at launch Tim? 2 or 3 at most? Why this one?

Also: Who will be getting through your backlog while you're playing this?Haha, having a rough morning and this put a smile on my face.

I haven't purchased many games at launch since Far Cry 2. As I've said many times, I liked the game but was disappointed by poorly-done early reviews that made me expect something else so I've been shy about launch day since then. I bought Torchlight but that was more like a candy snack for the weekend after a fun little demo.

I think for Dragon Age it was the Amazon pre-order bonus for $10 off a future title, since I'll probably need to buy another game or two in the next few months. At an effective $37 it'll probably be a while before a sale can get it that low. Bioware games haven't gotten a rise out of me in a decade but the buzz here seems reasonable enough.

I normally make room in my backlog for the occasional new game that pops in. If I buy a game after the excitement dies down though, it usually gets shuffled into the middle. Next launch day game will probably be the new STALKER.

[MSUSteve]

I'm a Prime member and received a shipping notice last night that my CE order shipped via 2nd day air, and is scheduled to arrive Wednesday. It's not Release Date Delivery, but I'll take The-Day-Following-Release-Date Delivery as opposed to the 5th.
When did you place your order Mysterio? I placed mine on August 10th. If you placed yours before that, maybe yours is being shipped from an allotment already received and mine is coming from an allotment that hasn't arrived yet. I really really hope the game comes tomorrow, but I expect it on the 4th, not the 5th, no matter what the estimate says. The Borderlands estimate was a day off too.

[Kevin Grey]

I'm a Prime member and received a shipping notice last night that my CE order shipped via 2nd day air, and is scheduled to arrive Wednesday. It's not Release Date Delivery, but I'll take The-Day-Following-Release-Date Delivery as opposed to the 5th.


I'm in the same boat (Prime, CE shipped last night) but Amazon is estimating delivery tomorrow so here's hoping they are right.

[Lee Johnson]

I'd preordered from amazon.ca two or three weeks back, and now the CE listing has gone from "pre-order" to "Sign up to be notified when this item becomes available". I take this to mean that they've sold out their CE allotment.

On the other hand, when I checked my order just now, it said: "We are preparing these items for shipment and this portion of your order cannot be cancelled or changed." Hopefully this means they're rolling my copy off the shipping dock tonight, which means I'll probably have it tomorrow or Wednesday. Woohoo! -- provisionally. :)

[MattKeil]

The point is that Matt is wrong when he says blood only appears during decapitations. Blood sprays out when you use a slashing weapon, and it seems to be in proportion to how injured the victim is. Pools of blood spread from dead enemies. Your characters get sprayed with blood after combat. There are vivid sound effects like knives slicing into casaba melons that Hitchcock would love. Dragon Age is rated M specifically for blood and intense violence.

Don't forget the hot elfsex. I have not noticed any significant blood spray during regular slashes. I'm using a longsword and shield, and have been pretty underwhelmed by the amount of blood going on. I'm not saying it shouldn't be an M, but I would definitely call it a fairly tame M on the overall M spectrum, considering what some games do.


You have to be pretty desensitized to poo-poo the level of gore in Dragon Age. It's a graphically violent game with plenty of blood.

I'd say you'd have to be pretty oversensitive if the level of gore that I've seen in Dragon Age makes that much of an impression on you. But again, I'm not saying that what you're describing isn't gory. Squee's screenshot is exceptionally gory. I'm saying that what you're describing is not appearing on my television screen. Maybe I'm using the wrong weapons, maybe I'm on the wrong settings, maybe I need to kill more dragons. Again, I hope so, because what you describe sounds totally sweet.

I'm still early in the game and only level 7. Do higher level weapons/attacks cause greater splatter/kills? That screenshot squee posted has probably as much blood in it as I've seen in all my playtime to this point.

[Desslock]

Those of you that have the game-is there any truth to the rumors floating around that the 360 version is considerably easier than the PC version? If so, would it be good for an RPG veteran to start on the equivalent of "hard"? Like previous Bioware games, can difficulty be changed on the fly?

I believe it's true that both console versions are easier than the PC version, or at least had encounters toned down, although I've heard different responses on whether that was through having you fight smaller bands of enemies (in the PC version, you can fight some huge groups) or otherwise adjusting the difficulty level.

I'd still recommend starting on default and seeing how it goes. The PC version is damn tough though - it's probably the hardest RPG I've played since some of the Wizardry games.

[Desslock]

On the blood point -- agree with Tom - there's a lot of blood in this game, at least in the PC version -- pools of blood spread from every enemy; critical hits can cause gushing blood or finishing moves that involve decapitations, etc.; after every fight your melee fighters are literally bathed in blood.

If Matt K's not seeing that, then they either toned it down for retail release or there's a difference between console/PC, or there's some setting that's been added to adjust that.

[Adam Sensoy]

I believe it's true that both console versions are easier than the PC version, or at least had encounters toned down, although I've heard different responses on whether that was through having you fight smaller bands of enemies (in the PC version, you can fight some huge groups) or otherwise adjusting the difficulty level.

I'd still recommend starting on default and seeing how it goes. The PC version is damn tough though - it's probably the hardest RPG I've played since some of the Wizardry games.

Thanks Desslock, I will take your advice and start on default and raise it up if it is too easy-I like that Bioware usually lets you adjust difficulty on the fly.

So excited for this one, and my Prime release day shipping has yet to leave the warehouse!

[Tyrion]

Looks like the $7 Warden's Keep content might be only about 45 minutes long (http://daforums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=702105&forum=135), maybe a bit longer for the PC version. Rather than making meaty, content-filled expansions like BG2's Throne of Bhaal, Oblivion's Shivering Isles, or GTA4's Liberty City Episodes, I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware's two-year DLC plan for Dragon Age consists of lots of Mass Effect-style nickle-and-diming.

[MSUSteve]

Looks like the $7 Warden's Keep content might be only about 45 minutes long (http://daforums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=702105&forum=135), maybe a bit longer for the PC version. Rather than making meaty, content-filled expansions like BG2's Throne of Bhaal, Oblivion's Shivering Isles, or GTA4's Liberty City Episodes, I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware's two-year DLC plan for Dragon Age consists of lots of Mass Effect-style nickle-and-diming.
Yeah, they really killed us with those two additional missions they released over the course of two years.

[Tyrion]

Yeah, they really killed us with those two additional missions they released over the course of two years.
I meant "Mass Effect-style" in terms of the DLC being anemic and overpriced, not in terms of the overall plan being the same.

[Cormac]

I ordered mine later than the 8th, live in Switzerland, and my copy is already underway. Maybe it's the different versions? Mine is the CE.


Mine is the CE too and i ordered mine on the 9th.

That might be it. I chickened out and only went for the standard edition. Just received an email from them stating the following:


Due to the industrial action by Royal Mail, we're doing things a little bit differently to ensure we despatch your preorder in time for release day delivery. This includes processing your order early.

As a result, you may have received an email telling you that 'your preorder is on its way'. You may even find that your account has been debited. Sadly this does not mean you'll be getting your game early. It simply means we've started the ignition, our foot is to the floor, the wheels are spinning...

we only have to release the handbrake and your game is on its way!
In short, your preorder is ready and waiting and raring to go!

Curious to see if this applies to you guys too...

[André Costa]

It does, just got it too >.<

[MSUSteve]

I meant "Mass Effect-style" in terms of the DLC being anemic and overpriced, not in terms of the overall plan being the same.
Ah, gotcha. I thought Bring Down the Sky was fine, but I didn't even bother getting the second DLC. That's saying something given that Mass Effect with my GOTY of 2007. Bioware has been terrible about DLC since entering the console game business. I recall them promising DLC for KOTOR for God's sake. Every time they release a console game they promise DLC, but have yet to deliver.

[Sarkus]

Looks like the $7 Warden's Keep content might be only about 45 minutes long (http://daforums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=702105&forum=135), maybe a bit longer for the PC version. Rather than making meaty, content-filled expansions like BG2's Throne of Bhaal, Oblivion's Shivering Isles, or GTA4's Liberty City Episodes, I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware's two-year DLC plan for Dragon Age consists of lots of Mass Effect-style nickle-and-diming.

It does seem pretty disappointing relative to what Bethesda did with the Fallout 3 DLC. Those were good for 3-4 hours minimum, while a lot of people regularly got more then that out of them. They cost more then $7, but not that much more.

I guess we'll have to see. I kind of get the impression that the early DLC is really Bioware trying to capitalize on the lack of any early user made content. Once fans start putting stuff out, hopefully Bioware will realize that they need to offer something beefier.

Meanwhile, the hype for this game is really getting to me. I'm seriously thinking about hitting a 24 hour Walmart tonight and picking up a copy.

[Gendal]

My PC collectors edition just showed up from Amazon. Like the tin case, cloth map not so much. It's not stitched around the edges which adds to the frayed, old cloth impression, but leaves 6+ inch long fine strings hanging off all over. The map itself is very low contrast, making it slightly difficult to read, and it has blood smears that look like magenta tempera paint was spilled.

Also just finished the Stolen Throne, the first tie in novel. Surprisingly good for a game novel but disappointing as far as world building goes. I was hoping for more details and history to draw me into the game but it was surprisingly light on them. What was there I liked, I just wanted more.

[Kevin Grey]

I believe it's true that both console versions are easier than the PC version, or at least had encounters toned down, although I've heard different responses on whether that was through having you fight smaller bands of enemies (in the PC version, you can fight some huge groups) or otherwise adjusting the difficulty level.

I'd still recommend starting on default and seeing how it goes. The PC version is damn tough though - it's probably the hardest RPG I've played since some of the Wizardry games.

Not sure where I sawit (might even have been here) but I read that, due to limitations in how many enemies can be onscreen on the console version, the game is balanced so that while you fight fewer enemies at a time, the enemies you fight do fight are a little tougher to compensate.

The example was something like on the PC you may fight two Level 3 guys, and four Level 1 guys (so six enemies total) while the same encounter on the console would be two Level 4 guys and one Level 2 guy (3 enemies total).

[Boinkology]

Those of you that have the game-is there any truth to the rumors floating around that the 360 version is considerably easier than the PC version? If so, would it be good for an RPG veteran to start on the equivalent of "hard"? Like previous Bioware games, can difficulty be changed on the fly?


Yes, the console versions are easier than the PC version. This was necessary partly because the change in the interface, and the way characters shift completely over to AI when you soul-jump to another party member, as opposed to the PC version, where characters retain their command queue and movement orders even after you have selected another party member.

Also, with the PC difficulty, it was very unforgiving on a 360 controller because you couldn't effectively control all the members of your party fast enough.

The amount of enemies in the game is more or less the same. They have been reduced somewhat, but the difficulty settings for the console also affect friendly fire, and damage mitigation. We found that these where the PC level of difficulty was particularly unforgiving. Because you can only move one character at a time in the console version, friendly fire damage from aoe spells (fireballs for example) had to be drastically reduced in all but the highest difficulties on console. On the PC, even on Normal, you can take some nasty damage from your own aoe spells if you aren't careful..

In short, both versions are good, but the PC is more Baldur's Gate 2 style with the ability to go top down, and because of the higher capacity for tactical strategy and a mouse interface, it is more difficult. The console version plays more like KOTOR, and is less about group tactics and more about the Player determining the greatest threats and dealing with them, while the AI controlled party members take out the rest.

*Disclaimer: I worked on the console versions, although my knowledge of the intimate details of the game design is not as great, as I worked on the audio aspect of the game.

[Sarkus]

Also just finished the Stolen Throne, the first tie in novel. Surprisingly good for a game novel but disappointing as far as world building goes. I was hoping for more details and history to draw me into the game but it was surprisingly light on them. What was there I liked, I just wanted more.

Yeah, I'm reading the second novel right now having read the first one earlier this year. Like the first, it doesn't have all that many details of the world.


Not sure where I sawit (might even have been here) but I read that, due to limitations in how many enemies can be onscreen on the console version, the game is balanced so that while you fight fewer enemies at a time, the enemies you fight do fight are a little tougher to compensate.

The example was something like on the PC you may fight two Level 3 guys, and four Level 1 guys (so six enemies total) while the same encounter on the console would be two Level 4 guys and one Level 2 guy (3 enemies total).

That would be contrary to dev posts that claim there is zero difference between the versions other than the UI changes.

Edit: nm, see Boink's post above.

[idrisz]

in the strategy guide, there are a few areas where they mention fights differ between pc and console version, certain fights are missing on console version in a few dungeons.

[Sarkus]

As an aside, the new social site which is now the official boards has one very glaring flaw - it only displays about half as many thread titles per page as the old one did, or about 25. Right now, which the sticky's taking up about 1/4 of those slots, the oldest thread that's been posted in was five minutes ago.

:-)

[idrisz]

the social network site is super slow for some odd reason.

[Gendal]

Damn that's a lot of 16 digit offer codes to enter. One for the game, one for the Collectors edition, one for the Stone prisoner, and one for the Blood armour. The web site where you enter these also rejected each code on my first click on the submit button, then a random number of tries after before magically working. I didn't change a single character once, and only clicked multiple times out of frustration.

Purchasing the Warden's keep went a bit better at least, though the assholes don't use XBL points. They do at least have the good graces to sell amounts identical to what you need, but then proceed to charge tax, 61 cents on $7.

Whatever, I think I can actually start to play now.

[MSUSteve]

You have to buy the Warden's Keep, even if you have the Collector's Edition?

[Xemu]

Hm, Amazon is still saying expected delivery of Nov 3 but haven't seen email confirming that they've sent anything yet...

[Vesper]

You have to buy the Warden's Keep, even if you have the Collector's Edition?
It's only included in the Digital Deluxe Edition (online via Steam/D2D/etc).

[Sarkus]

You have to buy the Warden's Keep, even if you have the Collector's Edition?


It's only included in the Digital Deluxe Edition (online via Steam/D2D/etc).

Basically, Warden's keep was included in the more expensive digital version since they obviously aren't getting a special tin case, cloth map, etc.

Everyone else has to pay $7 for it.

[LesJarvis]

You have to buy the Warden's Keep, even if you have the Collector's Edition?

The digital deluxe editions come with Warden's Keep, but not the boxed CE.

[MSUSteve]

It's only included in the Digital Deluxe Edition (online via Steam/D2D/etc).
Oh man, that is f'ing weak. I assumed my CE would come with everything there was to get.

[idrisz]

I was surprised when I found I have the stone prisoner DLC code in my box, didn't know that.

Does everyone gets it? cause I have blood armor and stone prisoner, plus some freebie belt or something.

all I did was pick up a normal copy from gameplay.

[LesJarvis]

I was surprised when I found I have the stone prisoner DLC code in my box, didn't know that.

Does everyone gets it? cause I have blood armor and stone prisoner, plus some freebie belt or something.

all I did was pick up a normal copy from gameplay.

Yes, everyone gets Stone Prisoner and Blood Armor. I think the theory is that they are incentives for buying a new rather than used copy of the game.

Edit: here's a helpful chart.

http://i33.tinypic.com/242g8au.jpg

Taken from here:

http://www.geardiary.com/2009/10/16/geardeal-getting-the-most-for-your-dragon-age-origins-pc-xbox360-ps3-pre-order-money/

[Rock8man]

Yes, everyone gets Stone Prisoner and Blood Armor. I think the theory is that they are incentives for buying a new rather than used copy of the game.

I thought everyone got Stone Prisoner, but Blood Armor was only for people who pre-ordered?

[LesJarvis]

You may be right, the whole thing is so damn confusing.

[SirTomster]

It does seem pretty disappointing relative to what Bethesda did with the Fallout 3 DLC. Those were good for 3-4 hours minimum, while a lot of people regularly got more then that out of them. They cost more then $7, but not that much more.

I guess we'll have to see. I kind of get the impression that the early DLC is really Bioware trying to capitalize on the lack of any early user made content. Once fans start putting stuff out, hopefully Bioware will realize that they need to offer something beefier.

Meanwhile, the hype for this game is really getting to me. I'm seriously thinking about hitting a 24 hour Walmart tonight and picking up a copy.


If you do, call ahead. Last time I went to my local one they had the game out about 5 days after release. They might be good for DVD's and CD's not sure about games. So call ahead

[idrisz]

the items I got is not in that list, I got a belt that gave +5% resist to everything, I think that list only list the CE edition, I just picked up a normal copy, no cloth map or tin box.


Gamestop (http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product%5FID=72891)'s normal copy only comes with blood armor.


Reserve Dragon Age Origins and receive a code to download Blood Dragon Armor, a full set of armor that grants exceptional protection in combat. Activate the code in Dragon Age: Origins and the Blood Dragon Armor will also be available for use in BioWare’s upcoming science fiction epic, Mass Effect 2. Available online and in-store while supplies last.

[Sarkus]

the social network site is super slow for some odd reason.

That's an understatement. I started a topic, then left, then came back later and there were 3 responses. I looked at a different thread and when I came back out my topic showed 15 responses. I loaded it up, but there were only 9 posts in it.

:-)

[Sarkus]

If you do, call ahead. Last time I went to my local one they had the game out about 5 days after release. They might be good for DVD's and CD's not sure about games. So call ahead

I work at one part-time. The PC version showed up last week.

:-)

[Vesper]

Switching forum software on launch day is probably not the smartest idea on their part.

[Sarkus]

Switching forum software on launch day is probably not the smartest idea on their part.

The new site has been active since at least the character creator was released a few weeks ago. Supposedly the old forums shut down today, though they were still up last I checked.

I don't even want to know what the new site's going to be like later tonight and tomorrow.

[MSUSteve]

I've never had very good luck with 24 hour stores like Meijer and Walmart having games right away or even on release day. Inevitably the person working the electronics department will have no idea what you're talking about anyway. One good thing about release dates becoming somewhat standardized for games these days is not feeling compelled to call around to every store a day or two before the official release to see if someone had gotten it early.

[SirTomster]

So how is the cloth map? I went digital and decided against the map but wondering if it was purty or not.

[Gendal]

So how is the cloth map? I went digital and decided against the map but wondering if it was purty or not.
Scroll up and/or change to the previous page, I just posted on this.

[Bahimiron]

So does anyone know if Gamestop is selling this one at midnight? If not, I'm not going to get in to get it 'til late afternoon tomorrow and by then I imagine the CEs will be sold out.

[LesJarvis]

I thought everyone got Stone Prisoner, but Blood Armor was only for people who pre-ordered?


You may be right, the whole thing is so damn confusing.

After looking around, it appears that the Blood Dragon Armor does indeed come with every new copy of the game, and is not a pre-order incentive.

[Sarkus]

So does anyone know if Gamestop is selling this one at midnight? If not, I'm not going to get in to get it 'til late afternoon tomorrow and by then I imagine the CEs will be sold out.

Apparently not on a wide scale. It's not a corporate directed midnight launch title. There was a thread on the official forums where there were a few reports about stores here and there doing it, though.

[stusser]

My PC collectors edition just showed up from Amazon.
You bastard!

[Lee Johnson]

Hopefully this means they're rolling my copy off the shipping dock tonight, which means I'll probably have it tomorrow or Wednesday. Woohoo! -- provisionally. :)
And in fact, about 90 minutes ago, I received a notice that my CE has been shipped. Woohoo! -- somewhat less provisionally. :)

[Kevin Grey]

Hm, Amazon is still saying expected delivery of Nov 3 but haven't seen email confirming that they've sent anything yet...

That's normal. For release date delivery you often won't get confirmation of shipping until early in the morning on the day it actually arrives.

[Tim James]

http://i33.tinypic.com/242g8au.jpg
It strikes me that they had to pay people overhead to organize all this shit and keep track of it. Are they really gaining that much money and consumer interest?

I guess now that the game is here, it's time to stop picking at Bioware's bizarre business practices.

[MattKeil]

Yes, everyone gets Stone Prisoner and Blood Armor. I think the theory is that they are incentives for buying a new rather than used copy of the game.

Edit: here's a helpful chart.

Wait, so the boxed deluxe edition doesn't come with the Warden's Keep? That's stupid.

[Bahimiron]

Wait, so even the deluxe edition doesn't come with the Warden's Keep?

The digital distribution CE versions do, all other CE (and non-CE of course) versions do not.

[stusser]

Remember, EA owns bioware now and EA is banal and evil. Count your blessings they backed away from mountain dew and axe body spray ads. If EA had purchased bioware earlier, they certainly wouldn't have permitted them to develop a hardcore PC-style RPG at all. Not because it wouldn't be profitable, clearly a bioware RPG would be profitable, but because they would expect a faster and larger return on their investment with a contemporary setting and lower aspirations.

[Doctor Hillbilly]

I just got the "shipped" notice from Amazon, with expected delivery tomorrow.

Unfortunately, UPS always delivers at 4:30 or later, and the kids have a half-day at school Wednesday. Doesn't the school district understand I need to set aside a full day of just-released-new-Bioware-RPG-indulging?

[MSUSteve]

My 360 CE (Amazon) recently switched over to "Items Shipping Soon". I'm thinking I will actually get it tomorrow. I'm pumped!

Edit: Nevermind. It was my stupid strategy guide that's already gone to "Shipping Soon". BOOOO!

[Squee]

Eeesh. I was looking over the game box as it was installing, and I saw this under the "Includes downloadable character and quest!" blurb.

"One time use code available with full retail purchase. Expires April 30, 2010"

I thought it was cheesy enough they were putting that in as a DLC code instead of just putting it in the game itself, now they'll be taking it away entirely after half a year? Ugh.

[Adam Sensoy]

Man, how did some Prime members get the game today and mine just shipped at lunch? I DEMAND EQUALITY!

[Rock8man]

Eeesh. I was looking over the game box as it was installing, and I saw this under the "Includes downloadable character and quest!" blurb.

"One time use code available with full retail purchase. Expires April 30, 2010"

I thought it was cheesy enough they were putting that in as a DLC code instead of just putting it in the game itself, now they'll be taking it away entirely after half a year? Ugh.

Ouch. That is pretty bad. I wasn't planning on purchasing this game until I'd gone through other RPGs in my backlog first (Mass Effect, The Witcher, Fallout 3 GOTY edition). I guess I won't be getting as big a bargain when I do finally buy the game as I thought I would. At least if I want this additional content. I wonder if the Stone Prisoner DLC will still be $15 by then?

[MSUSteve]

Man, how did some Prime members get the game today and mine just shipped at lunch? I DEMAND EQUALITY!
At least yours has shipped. :-(

[stusser]

If you're already planning to wait, there'll almost assuredly be some sort of omnibus or GOTY edition for DA too, including some amount of DLC content in the base purchase.

[unbongwah]

Doesn't the school district understand I need to set aside a full day of just-released-new-Bioware-RPG-indulging?
What do you think the teachers are going to be doing with their half-day - grade tests?

[Killzig]

"One time use code available with full retail purchase. Expires April 30, 2010"

I thought it was cheesy enough they were putting that in as a DLC code instead of just putting it in the game itself, now they'll be taking it away entirely after half a year? Ugh.
Once you redeem the code in your EA account won't you be able to re-download this stuff at any time?

[Rock8man]

If you're already planning to wait, there'll almost assuredly be some sort of omnibus or GOTY edition for DA too, including some amount of DLC content in the base purchase.

True! Heck, it will probably even including other upcoming DLC too and will probably be a much better deal overall.

[Tim James]

Man, how did some Prime members get the game today and mine just shipped at lunch? I DEMAND EQUALITY!Ha ha, everyone is doing puppet sex in-game right now except you, loser.

[Mordrak]

Ouch. That is pretty bad.

Just when I thought that DLC crap for dragon age couldn't get any worse.

[Squee]

Hmmm. And after the game is installed, it looks like I can't redeem the blood dragon armor or NPC and quest. Though it accepted the code at Bioware's webpage. Hopefully it'll show up tomorrow and it didn't just eat my code and not give me the quest.

[Squee]

Hahaha, I spoke too soon. Warden's Keep is showing up, just not the DLC I don't have to pay for. Well played Bioware.

[Sarkus]

Hmmm. And after the game is installed, it looks like I can't redeem the blood dragon armor or NPC and quest. Though it accepted the code at Bioware's webpage. Hopefully it'll show up tomorrow and it didn't just eat my code and not give me the quest.

I sounds like Bio isn't going to let people get everything today even though the game is clearly in the wild. They've basically posted to that effect several times on the official boards already today.

[MattKeil]

Hahaha, I spoke too soon. Warden's Keep is showing up, just not the DLC I don't have to pay for. Well played Bioware.

On the 360 the opposite is happening. My coded DLC shows up fine but I can't purchase Warden's Keep.

[Bahimiron]

Is there any process for getting DLC you earned with DA:J or the character creator to load up into your game, or is that automatic if you've registered your gamertag?

[idrisz]

I bet all the pirates gonna skip all the DLC hassel and get everything at same time in one release.

[Squee]

Well, I spoke too soon again. Took 5 minutes of waiting and refreshing the DLC page before it showed up, but it did, and now it's downloading. Still having trouble with the blood dragon armor though, and it kind of looks like I didn't get the dorky EA store preorder items, but oh well.

Getting cranky at this thing before I've even started smashing rats.

[Adam Sensoy]

Ha ha, everyone is doing puppet sex in-game right now except you, loser.

Man I want puppet sex too! With underwear on, if the game blogs are correct!

[SirTomster]

I work at one part-time. The PC version showed up last week.

:-)


Lucky you. I give up on hitting my Walmart for anything new. Although I did check it out last night hoping they might have screwed up and put on the shelves. No luck there.

So ended up getting Steam CE and preloading now.

[Sarkus]

Lucky you. I give up on hitting my Walmart for anything new. Although I did check it out last night hoping they might have screwed up and put on the shelves. No luck there.


It probably varies by store and title. At that store it's pretty scattershot. Empire TW and now DA will have shown up early. Meanwhile, we still haven't seen the PC version of Borderlands.

It also depends on who is working. Since I pay attention to what's being released, I usually have a good idea of what should be on the shelves when I go in (I work in the Electronics section). If it's not, I find out if it ever got put out and in most cases it hasn't been.

So your earlier point about the 24 hour store not having it out or knowing where it even is could very well be the case, depending on who is working. My store isn't 24 hours, so I'll be in the same boat as anyone else if I end up trying to find it tonight. At least in my store I know where the PC version is currently being stored.

[stusser]

So as far as companions go, I see we have a choice between 5-6 warriors of various flavors including a golem and a dog, 1 rogue/assassin, 1 rogue/bard, 1 shapeshifting damage mage, and 1 healing mage.

From various previews and whatnot, it's pretty clear that you're going to want two mages in your party at all times. So I was thinking about starting a mage, hybrid between healing and damage (healing first) to experience more of the companion quests and banter.

Any non-spoiler comments on this strategy? Would a rogue be a better choice? I really don't see any reason to play a warrior.

[Sarkus]

So as far as companions go, I see we have a choice between 5-6 warriors of various flavors including a golem and a dog, 1 rogue/assassin, 1 rogue/bard, 1 shapeshifting damage mage, and 1 healing mage.

From various previews and whatnot, it's pretty clear that you're going to want two mages in your party at all times. So I was thinking about starting a mage, hybrid between healing and damage (healing first) to experience more of the companion quests and banter.

Any non-spoiler comments on this strategy? Would a rogue be a better choice? I really don't see any reason to play a warrior.

My understanding is that neither of the mages is a "healing" mage to begin with, but that it's easy enough to send either down that path. However, as Tom's Fydgyt diary points out, he's managed to make it pretty far without healing magic, so it might not even be necessary.

And I'm not sure that what character class you choose will have much of an impact on how much companion quest and banter you will get. Either way you are limited in how many people you can have with you (three) at any given time. One thing I do wonder is if you need to take someone for a significant amount of time to get their full backstory or if the amount of time needed is such that you could rotate people through and end up fully revealing more then three in each playthrough.

[idrisz]

I think my current group is composed of a rogue/assassin/bard, templar/champion/warrior, Berserker/templar/warrior(my character), healer mage(Wrynn is a healing mage right off the bat, she is the best healer in the game hands down, probably even better than your own character even if you spec into healing due to her special ability).

You want to have a rogue to open chest, 80% of the chest in the game is locked, only rogue with device skill can disarm trap and open lock.

I had templar/champion tank, while I went with 2 hand skills, you get an PBAOE attack with a 2hander skill which is pretty damn useful, I think if you get a dual wielding templar, it's possible to get close to 100% magic resist, which makes you immune to magic..

You don't have to drag characters around to unlock their special mission, just give them correct gift and that's enough to raise their affection towards you.

This game really plays out more like a MMO than I originally thought, for bosses fights, I just take control of wrynn, as long as I apply the right heal and balance the mana, as long as healer is alive, usually wins the fights.

[Desslock]

Any non-spoiler comments on this strategy? Would a rogue be a better choice? I really don't see any reason to play a warrior.

It's a good idea, for the reasons you mentioned, but not necessary. The one downside is the Mages' origin is one of the weaker ones. Mages are also really powerful, and therefore fun.

[Joe M.]

How is the rogue implementation? I don't think I've enjoyed a rogue in any game since -- of all things -- Summoner and it's rogue chick. If it's just another weak melee class who can unlock stuff I think I'll pass.

[Squee]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! For getting as angry as I was over the DLC, I have to admit I smiled when I heard the plate equip-unequip sound is the same as moving plate armor around in the inventory of the Baldur's Gate games.

[Desslock]

My understanding is that neither of the mages is a "healing" mage to begin with, but that it's easy enough to send either down that path. However, as Tom's Fydgyt diary points out, he's managed to make it pretty far without healing magic, so it might not even be necessary.

It's very necessary in the PC version . Healing is a tier1 spell - every mage should take that ability at some point.


One thing I do wonder is if you need to take someone for a significant amount of time to get their full backstory or if the amount of time needed is such that you could rotate people through and end up fully revealing more then three in each playthrough.

You just need to spend time talking to them to learn about them, and their quests, and get their influence up through gifts.

[Desslock]

How is the rogue implementation? I don't think I've enjoyed a rogue in any game since -- of all things -- Summoner and it's rogue chick. If it's just another weak melee class who can unlock stuff I think I'll pass.

My main character was a Rogue - he can be a one-man army once you gain a bunch of powers, if you're interested in being a patient scout and increase your stealth, poison, trapmaking. I found him weak at first, however, but once you learn how to better use your abilities, he was really fun.

This is the first RPG in a long time where I actually like all the classes though.

[Desslock]

This game really plays out more like a MMO than I originally thought, for bosses fights, I just take control of wrynn, as long as I apply the right heal and balance the mana, as long as healer is alive, usually wins the fights.

That would be a suicidal strategy in the PC version - I can't think of any significant battle that would be winnable using it. It sounds like the console version is much easier than the PC version.

[idrisz]

rogue will automatically use backstab when they are position behind target, or if target is stunned or incapped, they have some pretty decent damage, though their backstab animation is kind of lame.

I'm not sure what kind of damage multiplier they get on backstab, right now my average hit on a 2hand axe is about 70-80, my rogue's backstab is about 30 or so...

[idrisz]

That would be a suicidal strategy in the PC version - I can't think of any significant battle that would be winnable using it. It sounds like the console version is much easier than the PC version.

An example is the fight with broodmother, my tank and my berserker can easily take damages from broodmother, all I had to do with move the healer away, leave my dpser to do what they do best at, and make sure heal when appropriate and I dropped broodmother without problem.

I think the hardest fight was before I got wrynn, once I got her, it's fairly easy afterwards.

[jpinard]

Amazon hasn't even shipped mine yet :(

Ah well, I know myself and I'll probably tinker for a bit mnot playing it seriously, wait a month for patches, then forget about it for a year til new content is released.

[Joe M.]

Thanks for the rogue feedback, I may have to give 'er a go. Now if only someone at Steam would accidentally hit the big red UNLOCK button.

[Tom Chick]

Stefan, doesn't the PC version have the tactics scripts? In the console version, the default scripts get you pretty far if you trust them and they update automatically. I find myself going in and tweaking them from time to time, but mostly they update just fine as a character learns new skills and spells, and they take full advantage of what the different classes can do. For instance, at the upper end of the entropy magic tree, there's a spell that shuts down any enemy healing. As soon as Morrigan learned it, her "debilitator" tactics script included an if/then line to use the spell against any elite level enemy in the battle.

As for healing, I'm still doing just fine without taking Wynne along. Potions can be a bit of a money sink, but I prefer not having to use up a valuable party slot with a healer. Particularly one as frumpy as Wynne. Once she offered to knit Sten a sweater to keep him from getting chilly, I decided she could stay back at camp with her yarn while the rest of us conquer evil.

-Tom

[Tim James]

idrisz, please keep this MMO shit out of my single player RPG thread. You make it sound so dreadfully dull that I'm fighting to keep myself from requesting an RMA. Let me play in blissful ignorance.

I am terrified at this new discovery of how bothered I am by this chatter. I believe it will be a debilitating ailment in the long run.

[idrisz]

idrisz, please keep this MMO shit out of my single player RPG thread. You make it sound so dreadfully dull that I'm fighting to keep myself from requesting an RMA. Let me play in blissful ignorance.

I am terrified at this new discovery of how bothered I am by this chatter. I believe it will be a debilitating ailment in the long run.

TANK/DPS/HEALER!!!! POP threaten, and Spam TAUNT, get that HUROK off da healerz!!!!!

Wrynn Spam that Group heal like our lives are depending on it! WTF!!! OOM again, you need wear more +mana regen items!!!

Don't forget to CC the casters

[Murbella]

It's a good idea, for the reasons you mentioned, but not necessary. The one downside is the Mages' origin is one of the weaker ones. Mages are also really powerful, and therefore fun.
I don't suppose you could elaborate on this without spoiling it somehow?

Being treated like a weapon because you're so powerful and then presumably either following the chantry (i think that was what they were called) or fighting against them sounded like a pretty cool story to me. Especially when that blood mage elf in the trailer got pissed when they were trying to attack some girl and did some blood attack on them.

[Tim James]

TANK/DPS/HEALER!!!! POP threaten, and Spam TAUNT, get that HUROK off da healerz!!!!!

Wrynn Spam that Group heal like our lives are depending on it! WTF!!! OOM again, you need wear more +mana regen items!!!

Don't forget to CC the castersTwice in one day that this thread delivers the big smiles, thanks.

And umm.. tank and spank?

[Tom Chick]

It sounds like Stefan is talking about an origins story rather than the plot that unfolds when you play the game. That bit with the Circles of Mages is actually very cool and I'd hate to think that someone -- idrisz! -- would so cavalierly spoil it for people in this thread.

-Tom

[stusser]

Yeah, what's the problem with the mages' origin story? By weaker, do you mean less enjoyable or less well plotted, or do they not get special powers/items/henchmen like other origins?

Tough choice between a rogue and mage, but the flexibility gain from taking a mage feels like it would be worthwhile.

[Adam Sensoy]

The reason I was hesitant to use a mage was because I felt like watching some of the previews that I would be (as per usual) limited to some boring cloth armor, a few boring staffs and similar weapons, and firing off a spell and waiting a minute for the next to cool down. Am I wrong on that?

So, I decided after a lot of research that I would enjoy a dual wield focused high dexterity warrior-templar. Would a rogue be a better fit for the DW focus?

[Vincent19]

Preloaded on Steam and ready to go, I can't wait for tomorrow.

The thing that has me most excited about Dragon's Age is, surprisingly, the talk of MMO style combat. I love the overall tactics and mechanics of a game like WoW, and I've always thought it would be fun to control the entire party. How deep do the MMO parallels go in combat? Is aggro an important thing to manage?

Also, what difficulty would you guys recommend for a first play through. I'm fairly skilled at games of this type and I want the combat to be highly challenging, but I don't want to bang my head against the same encounter for hours. I'm leaning toward hard...

[MSUSteve]

For real this time, my CE is now "Shipping Soon" from Amazon. Chances are good it will get here tomorrow. Woo!

[Boinkology]

The reason I was hesitant to use a mage was because I felt like watching some of the previews that I would be (as per usual) limited to some boring cloth armor, a few boring staffs and similar weapons, and firing off a spell and waiting a minute for the next to cool down. Am I wrong on that?

So, I decided after a lot of research that I would enjoy a dual wield focused high dexterity warrior-templar. Would a rogue be a better fit for the DW focus?

As a mage you can specialize as an Arcane Warrior, which allows you to wear Armor based on your Magic stat rather than your strength. You can also use swords and other melee weapons. You won't be the melee badass that a two handed berserker or reaver would be, but its there as an option.

[idrisz]

So, I decided after a lot of research that I would enjoy a dual wield focused high dexterity warrior-templar. Would a rogue be a better fit for the DW focus?

A lot of rogue skills use cunning as their ability modifier, and warrior use strength.

if you want to wield high level non-dagger one hand weapons you need to have high strength, I think some of the swords I got require 38+ strength to use.

Though rogue makes up the fact of using dagger by getting backstab.

One thing that kind of throw me off from DA and D&D is the armor system, in D&D high armor means your chance of getting hit is less, but hits still does the same damage landing on you, DA have both armor and defense, high armor means you take a flat out reduction in damage, I'm thinking maybe a literally 1 armor for 1 damage reduction, while Defense is the chance you evade/block attacks.

Every weapons have armor penetration that works on a 1-1 basis vs armor. vs certain enemies my berserker literally takes 1-2 damages a hit since I have almost 40 armors.

[Kunikos]

What about for bow builds like the Ranger? It's all dex, right? Can the Arcane Warrior use bows?

[stusser]

I wouldn't play a warrior personally, just because there's such a wide choice of warrior NPCs and half the fun of a bioware RPG is exploring all of your companions' stories.

[Kunikos]

I was thinking Blood Mage and/or Arcane Warrior spec'd mage would be the route to go since there is no NPC with those, right?

[stusser]

Yep, right. The only two mage NPCs are spirit healer and shapeshifter. Although of course you do get two specializations, so I don't see why you couldn't turn morrigan into a blood mage also.

I'm mostly concerned with seeing as much of the game as possible, which is why I don't want to make a warrior and get stuck with taking both mages plus one of the rogues to build an optimal party.

Question, can you persuade or intimidate with party NPCs? Or is that limited to the PC's skills? And how much persuasion/intimidation is there in the game; is it a major alternative to kill/sneak that opens up additional storyline like fallout or does it have less impact?

[idrisz]

Yep, right. The only two mage NPCs are spirit healer and shapeshifter. Although of course you do get two specializations, so I don't see why you couldn't turn morrigan into a blood mage also.

it was impossible for me to get blood mage specialization due to morrigan wasn't in my usual group and I'm not a mage.

No spoiler, but some of the specialization is quite hard to get.

you need 4 levels to max out a specialization skill, that mean if you don't unlock that specialization by lvl 17, you won't be able to max it.
I'm leveling quite fast, lvl 16 at moment, I'm still missing a few of specialization minus some that I couldn't get.

[Adam Sensoy]

A lot of rogue skills use cunning as their ability modifier, and warrior use strength.

if you want to wield high level non-dagger one hand weapons you need to have high strength, I think some of the swords I got require 38+ strength to use.

Though rogue makes up the fact of using dagger by getting backstab.

One thing that kind of throw me off from DA and D&D is the armor system, in D&D high armor means your chance of getting hit is less, but hits still does the same damage landing on you, DA have both armor and defense, high armor means you take a flat out reduction in damage, I'm thinking maybe a literally 1 armor for 1 damage reduction, while Defense is the chance you evade/block attacks.

Every weapons have armor penetration that works on a 1-1 basis vs armor. vs certain enemies my berserker literally takes 1-2 damages a hit since I have almost 40 armors.

Thanks so much for the info-I would ideally like to use 1-handed swords to dual wield, so that is something to consider. I guess I could do a duelist rogue with a sword and board. Or even the arcane warrior as suggested.

I am somewhat concerned, as other people have mentioned, with the abundance of warrior types for NPCs and wanting to "see as much as possible" especially given the the likelihood that I will never play this game twice-if I find 50 hours for one playthrough it will be a small blessing, much less two. Perhaps speccing one of the many NPC warriors for dual wield could be entertaining, and I could try a high dex assassin rogue, or even an arcane warrior mage (been a very long time since I have played a mage in an rpg!)

Is it surprising that a game with a mere 3 character classes seems to have such depth in picking character specialization, or is this particular to my pre-rpg character creation anxiety that I mentioned earlier in the thread?

[unbongwah]

What about for bow builds like the Ranger? It's all dex, right?
DA's rangers (http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Ranger) aren't archery-focused, they just get animal summons.

[idrisz]

I'm the super lazy type on 360, so anything passive = the win, that's why I made my rogue/bard went assassin instead duelist, because assassin have more passive than duelist!!!!!

[MattKeil]

Thanks so much for the info-I would ideally like to use 1-handed swords to dual wield, so that is something to consider. I guess I could do a duelist rogue with a sword and board. Or even the arcane warrior as suggested.

It is possible to do a dual-wielding warrior, it's just that the dexterity requirements will probably pull points away from constitution, making the character less hardy. However, you have enough choices of tanks in your companion roster that playing a dual-wield DPS warrior is certainly feasible.

[Angie Gallant]

Well, it's really sounding like rogue is the way to go, especially since I'm not really looking forward to either of the rogue NPCs. I'll just have to increase my strength up to medium armor levels pretty quickly to get out of the slutwear.

[BleedTheFreak]

Well, it's really sounding like rogue is the way to go, especially since I'm not really looking forward to either of the rogue NPCs. I'll just have to increase my strength up to medium armor levels pretty quickly to get out of the slutwear.

I really strugged with playing a warrior vs a rogue for my first play through, and settled on Warrior. We'll see how it plays out, Rogues sound extremely interesting.

[Cubit]

Well, it's really sounding like rogue is the way to go, especially since I'm not really looking forward to either of the rogue NPCs. I'll just have to increase my strength up to medium armor levels pretty quickly to get out of the slutwear.

Don't you have level up the ol' seduction skill before you can even wear basic slutwear?

[Tim James]

I'll just have to increase my strength up to medium armor levels pretty quickly to get out of the slutwear.Post pix before you do, k?

[Killzig]

Here you go, Tim.

gratuitous virtual beaver shot deleted

[metaphaze]

So Steam won't unlock until 3pm EST? That makes me sad... I wanted to play it all day tomorrow, Wed. are not so good for me. I think I would have went with Walmark or something instead of Steam if I had know it wouldn't be unlocked until so late in the day.

[Tim James]

I think I would have went with Walmark or something instead of Steam if I had know it wouldn't be unlocked until so late in the day.Another game release, another Steam letdown. You haven't been paying attention if you didn't know this, but you're in good company.

[Angie Gallant]

I'm talking about the difference between this (http://social.bioware.com/wiki/dragonage/index.php/Light) and this. (http://social.bioware.com/wiki/dragonage/index.php/Medium) I rather like most of the armor designs, but the Light armor is definitely Not For Me.

[idrisz]

I love massive (http://social.bioware.com/wiki/dragonage/index.php/Massive)

[Kunikos]

I'm talking about the difference between this (http://social.bioware.com/wiki/dragonage/index.php/Light) and this. (http://social.bioware.com/wiki/dragonage/index.php/Medium) I rather like most of the armor designs, but the Light armor is definitely Not For Me.

Looks like your typical Xena fare.

[Angie Gallant]

I love massive

Yeah, I do too. That's why I wanted to go Warrior. I don't know, I'll see how I feel about it once I have the damn thing in my hands.

And yes, I'm not a fan of the Xena aesthetic.

[metaphaze]

Hmmm, I started looking into my class in earnest but found that their forums broke all their google search links into their forums. Clicking a link does not take you to a thread but rather just the top level Bioware forums. So when I am searching for information (like, can an Arcane Warrior use 2handers) and google returns daforums.bioware.com (which if oft does) both the link and cached link are busted. Seems a terrible thing to squander google results like that.

[BleedTheFreak]

Hmmm, I started looking into my class in earnest but found that their forums broke all their google search links into their forums. Clicking a link does not take you to a thread but rather just the top level Bioware forums. So when I am searching for information (like, can an Arcane Warrior use 2handers) and google returns daforums.bioware.com (which if oft does) both the link and cached link are busted. Seems a terrible thing to squander google results like that.

I can't really answer your question, but I'd be surprised if you couldn't use a 2hander with your arcane warrior.

[idrisz]

I don't believe arcane warrior can use 2 hander due to str restriction most likely.

I did manage to get 1 arcane warrior only sword which is really bad ass.

[jobiasRKD]

I don't believe arcane warrior can use 2 hander due to str restriction most likely.

I did manage to get 1 arcane warrior only sword which is really bad ass.

I believe that the first Arcane Warrior talent allows the character to use their Magic score in place of Strength for /any/ item. So as long as there aren't any other restrictions on the 2h weapon, an Arcane Warrior should be able to use it.

[metaphaze]

I am kinda tossed up between Arcane Warrior or Reaver as my "main" specialization. I really like the look of 2h weapons so I would be sad if I had to give them up. I was just going to go Reaver but I thought the points raised here about the Mage class being a better option, given the companions offered to you, was strong.

[Tony M]

<cut> lots of good stuff about the difference between the PC and console version.

I'm so glad that they have put the extra effort in to capture the advantages of each platform. Most developers would have just made one version for both.

[Gendal]

So far the PC version is running like a dream. Locked in 60fps with 8x fsaa and everything maxed. Loading, saving, etc all are fast and the controls seem well done and convenient. It's like NWN done correctly, no more annoying camera controls.

My one complaint so far is the odd low resolution texture or two, which can be a bit jarring when everything else looks so nice.

[Squee]

Anyone else having trouble getting it to take your blood dragon armor code?

[Murbella]

Arcane warrior combat magic:

While this mode is active, the arcane warrior channels magic inward, trading increased fatigue for an attack bonus and the ability to use spellpower to determine combat damage. Aura of Might and Fade Shroud improve the effects. Additionally, regardless of whether the mode is active, an arcane warrior who has learned this spell may use the magic attribute to satisfy the strength requirement to equip higher-level weapons or armor.
So basically their spellpower = strength when it is active and for gear all times. The only question is if they still need dex which sounds like it affects chance to hit and attack speed (among other things). It sounds like they probably do unless the attack bonus mentioned is just good enough.

I'll be going elf arcane warrior myself, possibly with blood magic secondary.

[MattKeil]

you need 4 levels to max out a specialization skill, that mean if you don't unlock that specialization by lvl 17, you won't be able to max it.

Why not? I thought there was no level cap in the game. Has that changed?

[BleedTheFreak]

Why not? I thought there was no level cap in the game. Has that changed?

The game manual says no level cap - but I've heard most play through's end around level 18-22 so if you are in the middle of the road (20) that might be what he's referring to.

[Munky]

I'm talking about the difference between this (http://social.bioware.com/wiki/dragonage/index.php/Light) and this. (http://social.bioware.com/wiki/dragonage/index.php/Medium) I rather like most of the armor designs, but the Light armor is definitely Not For Me.
What women wouldn't want her bits and pieces to be available for fast and easy access?

FYI, I hate you all. Here I am all unemployed and you've convinced me to buy this game.

[stusser]

Nothing like an epic 100+ hour RPG to save you from navel-contemplation. You should be happy, now you have something to do!

[HighPlainsDrifter]

So far the PC version is running like a dream. Locked in 60fps with 8x fsaa and everything maxed. Loading, saving, etc all are fast and the controls seem well done and convenient. It's like NWN done correctly, no more annoying camera controls.

My one complaint so far is the odd low resolution texture or two, which can be a bit jarring when everything else looks so nice.

What system specs, and what resolution?

[Chris]

Another game release, another Steam letdown. You haven't been paying attention if you didn't know this, but you're in good company.

Guess I didn't pay attention either as I purchased through Impulse only to learn they don't even offer a preload. So I get to connect to my system from work tomorrow at noon to kick off the download. Hopefully it will be downloaded by the time I get home.

[Adam Sensoy]

It is possible to do a dual-wielding warrior, it's just that the dexterity requirements will probably pull points away from constitution, making the character less hardy. However, you have enough choices of tanks in your companion roster that playing a dual-wield DPS warrior is certainly feasible.

Thanks a lot Matt-I am certainly torn between that and the possibility of an arcane warrior, which would be different from what I normally play, give me a chance to nuke some critters, and still satisfy my sword and armor itch. Very tempting. Looks like I will have one more night to decide!

[rhinohelix]

Guess I didn't pay attention either as I purchased through Impulse only to learn they don't even offer a preload. So I get to connect to my system from work tomorrow at noon to kick off the download. Hopefully it will be downloaded by the time I get home.

If it wasn't for that 20% code from Impulse, (as well as diversify my DD game providers, and support some of the awesome things Brad does) I so would have went Steam, who in this case has a much better implementation. LogMeIn FTW!

[SirTomster]

Thanks a lot Matt-I am certainly torn between that and the possibility of an arcane warrior, which would be different from what I normally play, give me a chance to nuke some critters, and still satisfy my sword and armor itch. Very tempting. Looks like I will have one more night to decide!

Well create your characters now with the character creator. Save yourself those last few seconds!

My Elfin Mage is ready (always been a magic geek, shoulda named my character Milamber or something)

[Gendal]

What system specs, and what resolution?
Core i7 860, ATI HD5870, running Win7 64 at 1080p.

The game alt-tabs out almost as well as WoW.

Unfortunately thanks to Family Guy I am now giggling every time somebody mentions the taint. Master the taint, use the taint, fall to the taint, submit to the taint, etc. Damn juvenile sense of humor.

[MattKeil]

The game manual says no level cap - but I've heard most play through's end around level 18-22 so if you are in the middle of the road (20) that might be what he's referring to.

Well, there's always the inevitable DLC to push up into the 30ish range.

[Sarkus]

Well, there's always the inevitable DLC to push up into the 30ish range.

It depends on how they do it. The impression I get is that Bioware thinks it would be cool to use DLC to broaden the game, creating more optional stuff that would benefit subsequent playthroughs rather then extend the main story in any sense. Think of the Fallout 3 DLC 3 without the level and story extending Broken Steel stuff.

[malkav11]

Bleh. I'd always, always much rather additional content that lets me continue an existing playthrough. The odds that I'm going to come back for a second play from the beginning are vanishingly small even for games I really like.

[VegasRobb]

Drinking some water and getting ready to head out to the gym. Cardio and weights should take just enough time to get out to Gamestop ~midnight to pick it up!

Hope everyone already playing is having a good time :)

[Mink Staccato]

Crap... Are you telling me this gets release at NOON tomorrow on Steam?!?

Damn. I have not been paying enough attention. I was sitting here thinking I'd be playing in an hour. If I had known that, I wouldn't have just purchased it.

Well, if anyone from Steam is paying attention... I love Steam, but if this becomes the norm, you can count on losing a sale from me whenever this happens.

~mink~

[Murbella]

yeah it really doesn't make any sense when stores often sell games at midnight. It isn't like they need people in the office to open the flood gates either.

[idrisz]

So I got my PC copy finally, it's SO much better to play on a pc compare to 360, the interface is much smoother overall.

I start a human mage, but I agree with whomever said it earlier, human mage's story is kind of weak.

[Vincent19]

I'm pretty disappointed about the Steam thing too. It's my preferred platform for owning games, but the fact that I don't get to play until tomorrow afternoon is a definite annoyance. I'm a night person by nature. Oh well, I'll live.

So, I'm not sure if anyone caught my post earlier, but any recommendations for starting difficulty? I'm pretty good at this style of game, and am looking forward to difficult, tactical combat, but at the same time I don't want to bang my head against the same encounter for hours. I'm leaning toward hard as my starting point. Good idea?

[Timsfker]

I'm pretty disappointed about the Steam thing too. It's my preferred platform for owning games, but the fact that I don't get to play until tomorrow afternoon is a definite annoyance. I'm a night person by nature. Oh well, I'll live.

So, I'm not sure if anyone caught my post earlier, but any recommendations for starting difficulty? I'm pretty good at this style of game, and am looking forward to difficult, tactical combat, but at the same time I don't want to bang my head against the same encounter for hours. I'm leaning toward hard as my starting point. Good idea?

I heard normal was actually quite difficult from a number of people (unlike torchlight, for example, where you really had to start on hard). However, since you can adjust the difficulty whenever you like just go with whatever you want and adjust accordingly.

[Sarkus]

Score a win for 24 hour Walmarts. :-) Just got back from picking up my copy.

Yeah, the Steam thing is pretty lame, but then so is the general limits on all digital services when it comes to new releases. The publishers basically act like they'd be screwed if they game the digital providers any advantage, such as midnight unlocks, but don't seem to care when the brick and mortar places do midnight openings or whatever. I'm guessing that at some point that's going to change, but for now physical retail gets the advantages of early sale.

[HighPlainsDrifter]

My GoGamer order for the PC CE has now shipped, too!

I feel like such a geek for being so happy about that. ;)

[BleedTheFreak]

I'll tell ya what's geeky - getting up every hour for the last 4 hours and trying to fall back asleep, too excited to sleep like a kid at Christmas Eve, and just giving up and posting on QT3 while the hours tick away with a big bowl of cereal. I should have just picked it up at the midnight launch and called in sick today. Sheesh.

[habibi]

Ah decisions: should I get a retail (and cheaper copy because of discount) or go for it in Steam (about $10 more expensive)? I like Steam because I know I will lose the DVD in 5 years time.. and I like to let my friends know I have a copy of legit DA:O when I launch it in Steam. Is this self serving ego deserve a $10 price? Ahhhhhhh.. decisions...

[Lux]

I'll tell ya what's geeky - getting up every hour for the last 4 hours and trying to fall back asleep, too excited to sleep like a kid at Christmas Eve, and just giving up and posting on QT3 while the hours tick away with a big bowl of cereal. I should have just picked it up at the midnight launch and called in sick today. Sheesh.

It is really geeky. And yes, I'm doing it too.

[BleedTheFreak]

Ah decisions: should I get a retail (and cheaper copy because of discount) or go for it in Steam (about $10 more expensive)? I like Steam because I know I will lose the DVD in 5 years time.. and I like to let my friends know I have a copy of legit DA:O when I launch it in Steam. Is this self serving ego deserve a $10 price? Ahhhhhhh.. decisions...

I read Steam won't unlock until 12 PST (3pm EST), if that info is helpful in your decision making process...

[Squee]

Still having issues with the blood dragon armor DLC code not working, their "Bioware social networking" thing doesn't sync to the game at all and is completely worthless, and I didn't get the preorder goodies from the EA store, but the game itself is quite fun. It'll take a lot more playing to get more solid opinions on the NPCs and setting and such, but the combat is entertaining.

Think I might spring for the fancy hardcover strategy guide. Since I don't have D&D system experience to use in this due to their own system I might get more actual use from a guide than I would otherwise, plus the added bonus of all the extras to read about.

[Sarkus]

Still having issues with the blood dragon armor DLC code not working, their "Bioware social networking" thing doesn't sync to the game at all and is completely worthless, and I didn't get the preorder goodies from the EA store,

I had no problem signing in from within the game, but I did have issues with redeeming the codes. Basically, it kept saying they were invalid. After several attempts I went back and refreshed the screen and they showed up in the download section. The whole thing was rather clunky. Oddly, the pay for DLC was no problem at all.

The nice thing is that you can tell it start downloading everything and then go play the game while it finishes it.

I'm glad I did this tonight, though. I think their infrastructure could very well collapse tomorrow as people try and download everything. That Shale file is pretty damn big and so is the Warden's Keep DLC. As it is the Social Network site has been crappy all day and still is, even at 3AM PST.

I need to go to bed. :-)

[Wendelius]

I heard normal was actually quite difficult from a number of people (unlike torchlight, for example, where you really had to start on hard). However, since you can adjust the difficulty whenever you like just go with whatever you want and adjust accordingly.

That's certainly what the 3 page EG review suggests: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/dragon-age-origins-review


There's a huge gulf between the completely mindless Easy and the demanding Normal. On the latter, you'll either have to be a Tactics genius or prepared to pause and micro-manage frequently to get through tougher fights, and even veteran RPG players with a full command of the game's skills will find some regular pulls or mini-bosses turning into epic wars of attrition that will drain their stocks of consumables. That's all fair enough, of course, but without a smooth step up from Easy, it cramps what should have been an expansive middle ground for novice players who wanted to get deeper into the game. Dragon Age is either a pushover or a hardcore RPG.

The full review is worth a read. It's got a different tone from what I expected.

Wendelius

[Chris Nahr]

Gameplay UK still won't ship until Friday... oh well, time to finish Torchlight. And maybe Bioware will even have its DLC issues sorted out by the time I get my copy. edit: Hey, they just shipped my copy! Just yesterday they still had the 6th as the release day.

[strategy]

That's certainly what the 3 page EG review suggests: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/dragon-age-origins-review

The full review is worth a read. It's got a different tone from what I expected.


Very interesting and seemingly well-balanced review, which reflects pretty much what I'm expecting based on the standards of the pre-release material.

[TurinTur]

That's certainly what the 3 page EG review suggests: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/dragon-age-origins-review



The full review is worth a read. It's got a different tone from what I expected.

Wendelius

I was about to post the EG review.

I am not sure if i like the review. There is a feeling reading it that he didn't like the game as much as others... but just because he like other types of rpg games and not specially this.

Things like how he mentions exposition and storytelling as "too much" and "interminable" and for its own sake instead of, quoting, "the game itself - the small matter of levelling and combat-". As if the "true game" has to be or should be combat and levelling, and not storytelling and world building.
Or he also mentions Oblivion, multiple times, and very positively, something out of place in a review of another game, and more when this is another type of rpg. In fact he complains how he doesn't have ultimate freedom, which is not the point of this type of game. Not every game has to be like Oblivion...
Another one, he complains about the difficulty and combat, saying "be prepared to pause and micro-manage frequently" as it's something bad. That's how the combat works here! pausable realtime. It's realtime, but it's supposed to work more like a turn based game, where you have to decide and micromanage every action, it's just you who decide when there is a pause to change the orders and give more actions, instead of being an arbitrary, regular system in a traditional turn based system.

And i am not even a big fan of Baldur's Gate type of games, but i don't like when reviewers doesn't seem to like the style of the game, and he criticizes it because he would like to be more like his other favorite style of games.

[JM]

I've been a little wary since the upsurge of positive opinion in this thread came primarily from Desslock and it sounded just like his comments on Oblivion.

[BleedTheFreak]

I've been a little wary since the upsurge of positive opinion in this thread came primarily from Desslock and it sounded just like his comments on Oblivion.

I really liked Oblivion (mostly) when it came out. I've since cooled considerably on it due to the tedious leveling system and the scaling (they are a problem together, not so much on their own). I haven't touched it in years. I suspect DA will be a far superior product, at least in regards to what I look for in a PC/RPG experience.

[Matthew Gallant]

I've been a little wary since the upsurge of positive opinion in this thread came primarily from Desslock and it sounded just like his comments on Oblivion.
http://www.truemeaningoflife.com/images/stoprighttherecriminalscum.jpg

[Mysterio]

When did you place your order Mysterio? I placed mine on August 10th.

That's about the same time I ordered mine.

[Mysterio]

I'm in the same boat (Prime, CE shipped last night) but Amazon is estimating delivery tomorrow so here's hoping they are right.

Mine shipped from New Castle, DE, and I'm in FL. Where are you?

[MSUSteve]

Well shit. I got up this morning and checked my Amazon order and it's still stuck on "Items Shipping Soon". I don't think I've ever had an order that switched to that status that didn't also ship that same day. *grumble*

[Cubit]

Giantbomb written and video review.

http://www.giantbomb.com/dragon-age-origins/61-20738/reviews/

[olaf]

Man I am so psyched about this game. I have it coming from Amazon, release day shipping...but I was debating driving around last night at midnight to get a copy.

Gamespot has reviews up for all 3 versions and they ranked them PC, PS3, 360. PC on top is no surprise but PS3 edging 360 sure is, to me.

[Kalle]

Eeesh. I was looking over the game box as it was installing, and I saw this under the "Includes downloadable character and quest!" blurb.

"One time use code available with full retail purchase. Expires April 30, 2010"

I thought it was cheesy enough they were putting that in as a DLC code instead of just putting it in the game itself, now they'll be taking it away entirely after half a year? Ugh.

Utter fucking bullshit. "Buy the game at full price or we're removing content".

Fuck EA and fuck Bioware.

[Bahimiron]

Giantbomb written and video review.

http://www.giantbomb.com/dragon-age-origins/61-20738/reviews/

Not too surprising that it's 5 stars. For the Giant Bomb crew to even bother with reviewing an RPG, I'd think it'd have to be one they loved.

I can't watch the video at work and I can't find a byline. Who reviews it? Dave seems like their most RPG-centric guy, but I don't think I've ever seen him do a review before.

Also, the picture of elf Vinny will haunt my nightmares for years to come.

[Moore]

Gamespot has reviews up for all 3 versions and they ranked them PC, PS3, 360. PC on top is no surprise but PS3 edging 360 sure is, to me.

huh.

Pass then. I hate bad textures (use more discs, dipshits! We can install this crap)

I found it funny both console versions have deal breaker issues for me though, bad framerate / glitches vs. smooth framerate and ugly.

I wouldn't buy it on pc without a demo to check performance.

[spacerat]

Well shit. I got up this morning and checked my Amazon order and it's still stuck on "Items Shipping Soon". I don't think I've ever had an order that switched to that status that didn't also ship that same day. *grumble*

I ordered Demon Souls from Amazon and it was stuck at that status for 6 days. Hopefully that won't happen to you....

[MSUSteve]

I ordered Demon Souls from Amazon and it was stuck at that status for 6 days. Hopefully that won't happen to you....
They're still estimating a November 5th delivery date. I'm really hoping it actually did ship and somehow the "Items Shipping Soon" part was never updated. I'm expecting it to actually ship today and arrive tomorrow. Anyone else order a 360 CE from Amazon and not have it ship yet?

[Vesper]

How do Steam unlocks work these days? Is it still like the days of Half Life 2 where you have to restart Steam to kick off the decryption? I think the last thing I preloaded was the Orange Box.

Also: This is going to be a really really really really long day at work.

[Adam Sensoy]

So I got my PC copy finally, it's SO much better to play on a pc compare to 360, the interface is much smoother overall.

I start a human mage, but I agree with whomever said it earlier, human mage's story is kind of weak.

Let us hear a few more non-spoiler mage impressions later today if you have time Idrisz!

[Tyrion]

I have a question about picking different classes within the same origin story. Does class make a significant story difference? Like will the Dwarf Noble Rogue be different, story-wise, than a Dwarf Noble Warrior?

[Desslock]

I have a question about picking different classes within the same origin story. Does class make a significant story difference? Like will the Dwarf Noble Rogue be different, story-wise, than a Dwarf Noble Warrior?

No difference.

Idrisz - please post more comparison thoughts on console vs PC version.

[unbongwah]

I'm talking about the difference between this (http://social.bioware.com/wiki/dragonage/index.php/Light) and this. (http://social.bioware.com/wiki/dragonage/index.php/Medium) I rather like most of the armor designs, but the Light armor is definitely Not For Me.
I'd say they were going for the Roman Centurion look with the light female armor, which would be fine, were it not for the fact the boys get to wear pants and long sleeves (well, the third light girl-armor has pants & sleeves too). I'm fine with a little skin, but let's be open-minded here, folks - what about all the girls who want their boys running around in leather battle-skirts?

FYI, I hate you all. Here I am all unemployed and you've convinced me to buy this game.
On the upside, you can play DA all day and make taunting posts while the rest of us are stuck at our day jobs.

[Jason McMaster]

So, I ordered it from Direct2Drive, download it last night. I got up this morning, restarted my pc for my recording work and then Direct2Drive pops up and starts downloading it again from scratch.

I'll never use this service again.

[Lorini]

For today at least (or maybe I should say right now-Amazon will change prices at any moment), the hard cover strategy guide is $18.89, nearly half of the MSRP of $35.99 on Amazon.

[Brian Rucker]

Okay, I've belatedly got my order in. I'd been willfully assuming Dragon Age was some terrible, generic, fantasy RPG so I wouldn't have to add it to my list of games. Who has the time? But reading the articles and this thread makes it clear it's something I'm going to need to see for myself. What sold me? Party based RPG with deep(ish) tactics. Gritty and realistic (for fantasy) setting. Tom's diaries. The Eurogamer review even with its negatives.

That said, I never really went for BioWare's stuff. It felt too limited, forced and constrained in terms of my ability to define a character's role as opposed to Bethsoft's games. I never really took to the hub system either as I prefer open worlds to explore - less artificial and gamish feel to them.

So I go in hopeful and wary, both, and...we'll see where we end up!

[MSUSteve]

For today at least (or maybe I should say right now-Amazon will change prices at any moment), the hard cover strategy guide is $18.89, nearly half of the MSRP of $35.99 on Amazon.
I saw that yesterday and ordered it. I was going to get the regular strategy guide, but the "Collector's Edition" was only $2 more so I figured, "What the heck?"

[JackBurton]

Ok so now I'm stuck in the great what class to pick debate...

Rogue?...can only use daggers, want to work towards a duelist dual wielding swords
Fighter? apparently too many already
Mage? Arcane fighter is difficult to get and mage origin story is weak

[Enidigm]

I'm talking about the difference between this (http://social.bioware.com/wiki/dragonage/index.php/Light) and this. (http://social.bioware.com/wiki/dragonage/index.php/Medium) I rather like most of the armor designs, but the Light armor is definitely Not For Me.

Really? Virtually every RPG released recently has been skin= AP, boobs = str, anorexia = MP.

By comparison that armor doesn't seem that bad. It helps that there never really was armor made for women in history, so there was never an evolution of armor styles to balance coverage vs. useful weight a women could reasonably bear. There is still a bit of wiggle room, and even the light armor isn't that unrealistic from a late classical perspective.

[Enidigm]

For today at least (or maybe I should say right now-Amazon will change prices at any moment), the hard cover strategy guide is $18.89, nearly half of the MSRP of $35.99 on Amazon.

STOP IT QT3 god. Sooo much game crap bought these last couple months. I'm going to stop coming here just to prevent OCD game-related purchases!

[unbongwah]

Rogue?...can only use daggers, want to work towards a duelist dual wielding swords
To be clear, IIUC rogues aren't prevented from using swords or any other weapons or armor. [EDIT: it's not like D&D where equipment is class-restricted.] But all equipment has stat requirements and the heavier weapons & armor have high Strength requirements (don't know what it is for longswords). Rogues are oriented towards having high Dexterity and Cunning - a number of their talents & skills are dependent on those stats - but you can dump points into STR as well if you want. However, note that the dual-wield talents require high DEX, so you may end up spreading your points too thin.

[Lake]

Not too surprising that it's 5 stars. For the Giant Bomb crew to even bother with reviewing an RPG, I'd think it'd have to be one they loved.

I can't watch the video at work and I can't find a byline. Who reviews it? Dave seems like their most RPG-centric guy, but I don't think I've ever seen him do a review before.

Also, the picture of elf Vinny will haunt my nightmares for years to come.

Dave reviews it.

[Adam Sensoy]

Ok so now I'm stuck in the great what class to pick debate...

Rogue?...can only use daggers, want to work towards a duelist dual wielding swords
Fighter? apparently too many already
Mage? Arcane fighter is difficult to get and mage origin story is weak

Hi JackBurton! My name is Calvin, and welcome to every RPG I ever play!

No, seriously, why is the arcane warrior difficult to get (and the mage origin being weak sucks)?

I am mostly back to my dual wielding warrior idea at this point unless someone really convinces me that the blood mage or arcane warrior is all that and the chips-and I fully understand it is highly unlikely anyone has a real vested interest in convincing me!

[Xemu]

Yup, screwed by Amazon. They now say my copy (which was with Release Date Delivery) will be shipped sometime in the next business day, and they'll update the estimated delivery date then.

Argh.

I guess it's time to see if Gamestop has extra copies. Man, I would so love to not give them my business, but until someone else is as reliable for release date copies of games, I guess I don't have much choice.

[MSUSteve]

Did you guys see this comment appended to Tom's latest Dragon Age diary (http://fidgit.com/archives/2009/11/dragon_age_the_hidden_seven_do.php#more)? For those that haven't read that particular diary, Tom criticized EA/Bioware charging $7 for Warden's Keep, which includes a chest to store items.


Hey Tom,

For what it's worth, 'EA' has nothing to do with this (apart from being the parent company of BioWare).

The game was designed with limited inventory for a number of reasons, the least of which being to limit savegame size and therefore loadtimes.

Originally there was a small storage chest in the party camp, until we realized that due to the fact that there are several versions of the camp area (for reasons evident in the story) and that people were losing their items (as they were stored in the area).

By the time this problem was discovered, we had not enough time to fix the problem, plus, we decided that it was not really necessary anyway since the item limitation was rather generous compared to the initial designs at least.

The game was finalized tested without a storage chest. The item limit was never questioned or brought up during the QA phase, after all, it was part of the design.

The 'storage chest' in Warden's Keep DLC was added by the DLC team as part of their 'hey, what would be a cool feature for your own keep' brainstorming.

I'm fine with you being upset about the item limit design in the game - and fine with you being upset about the chest being included in the DLC, but I must protest the 'Oh, EA is pushing the limit for more money' tagline, because that's just not what has happened.

I categorically reject that any features or game systems in this game were designed or removed to 'bilk users for more money'

-- Georg
Lead Systems Designer
Dragon Age
[email protected]

[LionelThompson]

Let us hear a few more non-spoiler mage impressions later today if you have time Idrisz!

I am not crazy about some of the choices I was pigeonholed into selecting, but as it basically serves as a tutorial, I am willing to overlook it as long as it does not come back to haunt me (as I have a sinking feeling it will).

[Cubit]

Thanks for posting that, Steve.

[mkozlows]

Mage? Arcane fighter is difficult to get and mage origin story is weak

Without getting into spoilers at all, can't you be an elf mage and get the elf origin story?

[LionelThompson]

Without getting into spoilers at all, can't you be an elf mage and get the elf origin story?

I'm an elf mage and at least in the opening story, the fact that you are an elf is almost completely ignored.

[JackBurton]

Hi JackBurton! My name is Calvin, and welcome to every RPG I ever play!

No, seriously, why is the arcane warrior difficult to get (and the mage origin being weak sucks)?



Making an assumption based on this post:

http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1952283&postcount=2867

[JackBurton]

Without getting into spoilers at all, can't you be an elf mage and get the elf origin story?


I believe that if you select mage, regardless of race, you get the mage origin.

[Adam Sensoy]

I am not crazy about some of the choices I was pigeonholed into selecting, but as it basically serves as a tutorial, I am willing to overlook it as long as it does not come back to haunt me (as I have a sinking feeling it will).

Thanks Lionel, I am reading more and more about the mage origins and some of the difficulty progressing elsewhere, and I'm starting to think that I might enjoy the specialized party NPC's doing that job more. Keep it coming!

[Kael]

It's cool of the developer to respond, and I believe that Bioware isn't a bunch of mustache twirling meanies. But whenever you allow for-fee DLC to get around a game restriction you have entered a dangerous area. Intentional or not its little different than paying for game credits in the facebook games.

Regardless of intention, for-fee DLC shouldn't meaningfully boost the party. If no storage was really a part of the design then it shouldnt be allowed in DLC. If it was a gap that noticably improves the base game then it should be included in free DLC.

DLC is great for more to do in the game, its great for cosmedic adds. It should be used for "upgrade your characters fireball spells, only $5" or documentation. Im cool with DLC that adds new characters, but they should be balanced with the existing.

So though I understand the developers statement, I agree with Tom that regardless of how it got where it is, it isnt right.

[jellyfish]

Did you guys see this comment...
That letter creates more questions than it answers.

1. How could a few inventory items slow down save game size and loading time? It seems like at most two integers per item (item type and location). Even if it was much more, come on, seriously, how much data are we talking about here? I find it very hard to accept that this is a real issue.

2. If this really is a problem, then why is it that adding the extra storage in the form of extra bags doesn't generate the same save-game size problem?

3. Why doesn't the DLC extra storage have this save-game problem?

4. The storage space was not removed from the initial version because it was deemed to be a bad idea, but because the coders couldn't solve some problem with the area changing and erasing the storage. So it was considered a good idea but technically difficult. So why not put the storage in a different area that doesn't change? Oh that's right, that is exactly what they did in the $7 DLC.

[Cubit]

I just don't understand why they couldn't have patched the extra storage into the game, and left the DLC be additional content.

[mkozlows]

Yes, the console versions are easier than the PC version. This was necessary partly because the change in the interface, and the way characters shift completely over to AI when you soul-jump to another party member, as opposed to the PC version, where characters retain their command queue and movement orders even after you have selected another party member.

Whoa, hold on. So if you pause on the 360, cycle through all the characters to give them orders, and then unpause, only the dude you stayed on last will actually do what you just told him to do? That can't be right...

Also, is this "Tactics" stuff actually a gameplay element that regular people use, or is it like the scripting in the BGs, where like six hardcore geeks went to town and everyone else ignored it?

[Telefrog]

I think it also seems a lot more supsicious due to the timing. As a player/consumer, it appears like they witheld the stoarge area purposefully to get me to pay for the DLC.

We've already covered why or why not that perception is true, but developers and publishers need to know that regardless of the truth, this is the way it will be viewed.

[unbongwah]

Without getting into spoilers at all, can't you be an elf mage and get the elf origin story?
Elf mages have to go through the mage origin; the elf origins are for warriors & rogues. Likewise, human mages have to go through the mage origin as well; the human noble origin is for warriors & rogues. [Dwarves can't be mages.] Incidentally, elf mages are Alienage (city) elves, not Dalish elves.

[Bahimiron]

Whoa, hold on. So if you pause on the 360, cycle through all the characters to give them orders, and then unpause, only the dude you stayed on last will actually do what you just told him to do? That can't be right...

From what I saw in Giant Bomb's quick look, it appears that you can't actually do what you're describing here. You go to a character and give them an order and it immediately unpauses. So you can give people commands, but you have to keep pausing and moving. One would hope that the AI would retain what you told your guy to do before the game unpaused, though.

Having looked at the Gamespot reviews, I find myself wondering if I shouldn't change over to a PS3 version. Does anyone know if I buy this for the PS3, can I still unlock the blood armor for the 360 version of ME2?

[Adam Sensoy]

Whoa, hold on. So if you pause on the 360, cycle through all the characters to give them orders, and then unpause, only the dude you stayed on last will actually do what you just told him to do? That can't be right...

Also, is this "Tactics" stuff actually a gameplay element that regular people use, or is it like the scripting in the BGs, where like six hardcore geeks went to town and everyone else ignored it?

My understanding, and one of the reasons I am excited about it on the console version, is that the "tactics" are very, very similar to the gambits from FF12, which worked incredibly well.

I am curious also about the "last man selected remembering his orders" issue though.

[Kevin Grey]

Mine shipped from New Castle, DE, and I'm in FL. Where are you?

Virginia. It's out for delivery right now.

[Gendal]

I had no problem signing in from within the game, but I did have issues with redeeming the codes. Basically, it kept saying they were invalid.
It did the same thing for me on the web page. I kept submitting them and eventually, 4 or 5 tries later, it gave me a green 'Accepted' message.


My understanding, and one of the reasons I am excited about it on the console version, is that the "tactics" are very, very similar to the gambits from FF12, which worked incredibly well.

It unfortunately does the same thing as FF12 and limits what you can set up at first. In one way it's even worse, you have to spend skill points to unlock the tactic slots instead of just money to buy gambits. Minus that I love it, it gives a ton, and I mean a ton, of conditionals. Some of the default ones are quite clever too, but I prefer concentrating my fire better on one mob.

So for instance I changed the mage to always pick the target the main tank is on, or of course you could do the opposite and have everybody concentrate on stuff attacking the mage first. Doing that would mean you probably wouldn't take down a single target as fast, but you might end up dividing out the damage taken a little better.

[Boinkology]

Whoa, hold on. So if you pause on the 360, cycle through all the characters to give them orders, and then unpause, only the dude you stayed on last will actually do what you just told him to do? That can't be right...

Also, is this "Tactics" stuff actually a gameplay element that regular people use, or is it like the scripting in the BGs, where like six hardcore geeks went to town and everyone else ignored it?

Sorry. Looking back at my post, I was unclear. Yes, you can cycle through your characters and give them a command. Attack, cast a spell, use an item. Once it resolves, the character reverts to AI unless you are still in control of that character. Also if one of the triggers of your AI Tactics settings gets tripped, they will revert to AI. (i.e. Health Below 25% will trigger them to take a potion/heal) Then they stick with AI control until you switch over to them and give them a new command. The one thing you CAN'T do is give movement commands. So if you see a fireball coming at you, you can't pause and give movement commands to all of your guys to scatter. You can only move one character at a time, and the others will either follow you, or stay where they are depending on whether you have the hold/follow button toggled.

In the PC version, you can actually disable the AI(set it to passive) in the PC version and control all party members pretty easily, pausing to give the entire party commands. You can't really do this in the Console version because it was intended that the console version be more action oriented.

The "Tactics" feature is actually pretty cool. Its accessible to anyone, and you can either decide to let it do its thing on its own. (Which is does a pretty good job with the presets) or you can go in and create custom tactics profiles using a nice little interface with drop down menus and If then statements. Its pretty similar to the gambit system of Final Fantasy 12.

I hope that clears things up a bit. Sorry about the unclear post before.

[Gendal]

**************PRETTY MINOR SPOILERS


On the whole loot storage controversy I just wanted to add you should sell before heading to the tower in the prologue (and you can't sell right before you head there). I was hanging on to everything because I didn't know who would be joining so I ended up deleting and leaving stuff behind.

[Adam Sensoy]

It did the same thing for me on the web page. I kept submitting them and eventually, 4 or 5 tries later, it gave me a green 'Accepted' message.


It unfortunately does the same thing as FF12 and limits what you can set up at first. In one way it's even worse, you have to spend skill points to unlock the tactic slots instead of just money to buy gambits. Minus that I love it, it gives a ton, and I mean a ton, of conditionals. Some of the default ones are quite clever too, but I prefer concentrating my fire better on one mob.

So for instance I changed the mage to always pick the target the main tank is on, or of course you could do the opposite and have everybody concentrate on stuff attacking the mage first. Doing that would mean you probably wouldn't take down a single target as fast, but you might end up dividing out the damage taken a little better.

I'm very happy to hear this; I loved the gambits in FF12 and I think that going forward that is absolutely the way I would like to play part based RPGS. give me the option to jump in, but otherwise let me customize their tactics as much as possible. Too bad they went with the tired idea of artificially limiting when you can use certain tactics though, and making you spend skill slots on them. That's a curious decision.

[greg wak]

About the downloadable items: First step is to go to Dragonage.bioware.com/redeem and enter the codes. Does this have to be from the computer you are going to install the game on? Or is it just prep work and the stuff will be downloaded when you do step two which is start up the game and log in. See I'm stuck at work with a hot little copy of the game and of course have to wait til I get home to load it up. If I could get this step done it would be great.

[rei]

Destructoid has a 7.5 review up.

[Telefrog]

Destructoid has a 7.5 review up.

I think we should all know by now whether Dragon Age hits your I-love-BioWare-fantasy-RPG-conversation-heavy-exposition-fiddly-stats-pausable-real-time-we-swear-this-isn't-D&D gene or not. I predicted that this game will have equal parts detractors as well as fans and I think I'm going to be right.

[Bahimiron]

Destructoid has a 7.5 review up.

Time to go shout at some people for posting something I don't like!

(Seriously though, I keep waiting for the 'Fry It' review to come in from Crispy Gamer crapping on DA:O for not having split-screen multiplayer.)

[Jaysun]

Anyone have recommendations on this for platform? PC or Xbox 360? I'm thinking 360...

[Khoram]

No offense, but that very question has been covered about 1000 times on every forum over the last month :)

The general consensus seems to be, if your PC can handle it (Core2Duo 2.4-2.8 GHz+, 8800GTS+), go PC - you get better resolution, more choice in viewing angles, and the toolset + (free) mods. Unless you have a dilapidated computer chair with splinters and rusty nails poking your ass and prefer your couch or something.

[merryprankster]

I think we should all know by now whether Dragon Age hits your I-love-BioWare-fantasy-RPG-conversation-heavy-exposition-fiddly-stats-pausable-real-time-we-swear-this-isn't-D&D gene or not. I predicted that this game will have equal parts detractors as well as fans and I think I'm going to be right.

Yeah, I fall firmly in the "pausing all the time sucks" camp, so I doubt I will play this. I can certainly see how it could appeal to others though. I might pick this up later for cheap and see if the tactics system is enough avoid all the pausing.

[Jaysun]

No offense, but that very question has been covered about 1000 times on every forum over the last month :)

The general consensus seems to be, if your PC can handle it (Core2Duo 2.4-2.8 GHz+, 8800GTS+), go PC - you get better resolution, more choice in viewing angles, and the toolset + (free) mods. Unless you have a dilapidated computer chair with splinters and rusty nails poking your ass and prefer your couch or something.

Thanks.

There are 100 pages of posts here. I'm not going to skim them to find the answer.

[seventimessix]

Thanks.

There are 100 pages of posts here. I'm not going to skim them to find the answer.

No need to skim at all! There is in fact a whole thread devoted to the exact topic of you question. (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?t=55505)

[SirTomster]

Metacritic now has a score and a list of reviews to look at.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/dragonageorigins#critics

[Kael]

Thanks.

There are 100 pages of posts here. I'm not going to skim them to find the answer.

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=%22dragon+age%22+AND+%22pc%22+AND+%22360%22+sit e%3Aquartertothree.com

[Desslock]

Thanks.

There are 100 pages of posts here. I'm not going to skim them to find the answer.


GameSpot gave the PC version 95, PS3 90, 360 an 85, so it rated them in that order.

The console versions are, frankly, gimped versions of the PC game, especially if you like tactical combat. If you're more into dialogue/story-telling and find hard battles frustrating rather than fun, you may like the console versions better, since they contain the same dialogue/story-telling but easier, less tactical combat.

[Desslock]

In one way it's even worse, you have to spend skill points to unlock the tactic slots instead of just money to buy gambits.

You don't have to use skill points to unlock tactic slots - you can buy additional ones in that fashion, but your number will automatically also get increase for leveling up.

[mkozlows]

Sorry. Looking back at my post, I was unclear. Yes, you can cycle through your characters and give them a command. Attack, cast a spell, use an item. Once it resolves, the character reverts to AI unless you are still in control of that character. Also if one of the triggers of your AI Tactics settings gets tripped, they will revert to AI.

Sweet, that sounds much better.

I'm sitting here refreshing my UPS tracking page ("Out for delivery" as of 7:17 AM) so that I know the instant it gets delivered. I don't remember the last game I was this excited for. Oblivion, maybe?

[idrisz]

You don't have to use skill points to unlock tactic slots - you can buy additional ones in that fashion, but your number will automatically also get increase for leveling up.

that only apply to the main character though, none of the other characters gain tactic slot without putting points in combat tactics.

[Adam Sensoy]

GameSpot gave the PC version 95, PS3 90, 360 an 85, so it rated them in that order.

The console versions are, frankly, gimped versions of the PC game, especially if you like tactical combat. If you're more into dialogue/story-telling and find hard battles frustrating rather than fun, you may like the console versions better, since they contain the same dialogue/story-telling but easier, less tactical combat.

Man, I want hard battles! I just don't have the option for the PC. Every time someone says this I cringe a little. Maybe playing on hard is the best option here!

[GreasyPig]

Up next: The things I wish I'd known when I started playing.

Come on Tom,
I need this info now since I'm gonna start playing!

[BiggerBoat]

Come on Tom,
I need this info now since I'm gonna start playing!

Agreed. I know I'm going to end up starting over about 10 times because I keep nerfing my character(s).

Impulse download is up.

[Tim James]

"Up next?" Tom, you sound like a newspaperman pimping his Thursday column!

[Albert Woo]

Unlocking on Steam now!

[rei]

Ugh. 15 gigs. Not playing this today it seems.

[Woolen Horde]

31-percent downloaded on Impulse. Became available at 10 Pacific.

Can't wait to play again. Doubt my earlier saves work though. :(

[Tim James]

Unlocking on Steam now!Take one drink when someone complains about them unlocking it early because he made meticulous plans to be ready at 3pm.

[drteeth]

that only apply to the main character though, none of the other characters gain tactic slot without putting points in combat tactics.

Every character will get additional tactic slots at certain levels. The levels they get them at seem to be different for each character though.

[BigWeather]

Anyone gotten a copy from Gamestop yet? How are the pre-order bonuses? If crap I may just release my pre-order and wait for the $40 Black Friday deal -- I've got plenty to do until Thanksgiving anyhow.

[Galadin]

It looks like the social bioware site is having trouble handling the traffic. I am trying to input all the codes I got from my pre-ordered Gamestop collector's edition, and the website is not loading.

[stusser]

Come on Tom,
I need this info now since I'm gonna start playing!
Good point, it's now or never, man!

[Angie Gallant]

Really? Virtually every RPG released recently has been skin= AP, boobs = str, anorexia = MP.

By comparison that armor doesn't seem that bad. It helps that there never really was armor made for women in history, so there was never an evolution of armor styles to balance coverage vs. useful weight a women could reasonably bear. There is still a bit of wiggle room, and even the light armor isn't that unrealistic from a late classical perspective.

I'm sorry, but once I see bare midriff I am out. "Better than a chainmail bikini" doesn't mean that I'll be happy to see it on my character. Luckily I should be able to just increase my strength and go with medium armor which I find much more aesthetically pleasing.