Oh those Golden Grahams!

[DaveC]

http://swforums.bioware.com/viewtopic.html?topic=234298&forum=26

[Union Carbide]

So are you sending us all free evaluation copies? :)

[quatoria]

And cookies?

[Union Carbide]

Ooh ooh, and beer?

[graller]

Bah - when does the PC version go gold - who the hell has an X-BOX

:lol:

[Ranulf]

Call me crazy but I just might buy an xbox for this.

[quatoria]

Ooh ooh, and beer?

Of course there will be beer. It's Bioware. Even if I didn't like their games, I'd do E3 previews just for the free guinness.

[Tom Ohle]

Guinness? Ewwwwwww. We had Beck's and Newcastle at E3 this year.

[dwinn]

Golden Grahams? I think I got a copy of Boggle or Chutes and Ladders for the PC on a box of cereal once.

[Naked]

Congratulations guys, I have the feeling it's going to be a good one!

(mutters something about needing to finish his own freakin' game before he can even frikkin' bust open the goddamn packaging on anyone elses mutterfreakin' one)

[Reeko]

Golden Grahams? I think I got a copy of Boggle or Chutes and Ladders for the PC on a box of cereal once.

I got a DVD of "Buddy" starring Renee' Russo and "The Muppets Take Manhattan". I believe they both came on boxes of Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

[Ben Sones]

Don't be knocking the Guiness, Tom. That's practically blasphemy.

I really want to wait for the PC version of KotOR, but I may not be able to hold out. We'll see...

[quatoria]

Guinness? Ewwwwwww. We had Beck's and Newcastle at E3 this year.

Ew. Now I don't feel bad at missing my KOTOR appointment, then.

[DaveC]

Guinness? Ewwwwwww. We had Beck's and Newcastle at E3 this year.

Ew. Now I don't feel bad at missing my KOTOR appointment, then.

Guiness is overrated :wink:

[graller]

Don't be knocking the Guiness, Tom. That's practically blasphemy.

I really want to wait for the PC version of KotOR, but I may not be able to hold out. We'll see...

I agree about the Guiness and also that I will play this on the PC. Is there any estimate on a PC timeframe?

[DaveC]

Don't be knocking the Guiness, Tom. That's practically blasphemy.

I really want to wait for the PC version of KotOR, but I may not be able to hold out. We'll see...

I agree about the Guiness and also that I will play this on the PC. Is there any estimate on a PC timeframe?

Some time this fall.

[Mark Asher]

Call me crazy but I just might buy an xbox for this.

Ok, you're crazy! Bioware has already said they're making enhancements to the PC version. Just wait for that.

[DaveC]

Call me crazy but I just might buy an xbox for this.

Ok, you're crazy! Bioware has already said they're making enhancements to the PC version. Just wait for that.

Of course there will be some changes for the PC version, but it's well worth getting it on the Xbox. It won't be a night and day thing, more like texture changes and such.

[FlamingSheep]

Don't be knocking the Guiness, Tom. That's practically blasphemy.

I really want to wait for the PC version of KotOR, but I may not be able to hold out. We'll see...

I agree about the Guiness and also that I will play this on the PC. Is there any estimate on a PC timeframe?

Some time this fall.

Just when I start university. Oh baby, time to ruin my future!

[Sam Jones]

Guinness? Ewwwwwww. We had Beck's and Newcastle at E3 this year.

You are credulous fools. Newcastle Brown Ale is the dishwater we feed to those worthless northern peasants. And export.

[Bub, Andrew]

... and Becks is the German equivalent to Budweiser. Not beers to brag about there Ohle. I expect better beer taste from Canucks.

[Tyjenks]

Guiness is the nectar of the gods. You Beck's and New Castle lovers are pansies.

http://www.peppermintcafe.com/drink/image/guiness.jpg

:) :) :)

VS.
your beer of choice:


http://www.vistainternetproducts.com/images/pansies.jpg

[Ranulf]

Call me crazy but I just might buy an xbox for this.

Ok, you're crazy! Bioware has already said they're making enhancements to the PC version. Just wait for that.


Well, if I like it enough I'd probably buy it for both but I can use this as an excuse to finally buy an xbox. Been itching to get a console for some decent sports games.

And guiness is good but overrated. I begining to see it as corona's replacement in the "trendy beer" category.

[Tyjenks]

And guiness is good but overrated. I begining to see it as corona's replacement in the "trendy beer" category.

What the hell are....oh wait. You are in Oregon. Now I see. Nevermind. :twisted:

[bago]

Always preferred Murphy's for the stout ale...

But damn the beers, where's my martini?

[Jakub]

And guiness is good but overrated. I begining to see it as corona's replacement in the "trendy beer" category.
Oh yes, that's right. Just because it's getting trendy it's automatically worse. Of course, how couldn't I see that? The Guinness brewmasters, seeing that their beer is becoming popular, decide to fuck with the formula to discourage drinkers and return it to an elite statement of individuality.

Please remember to try and drink it because you like it, not drink it for the image it gives you.

[DaveC]

... and Becks is the German equivalent to Budweiser. Not beers to brag about there Ohle. I expect better beer taste from Canucks.

Well, it's probably because we couldn't get any good Canadian microbrews down in LA. I stand by my Guiness statement. I've had it many times and it's good, but not the best I've ever had.

Now, this is some good beer:

http://www.bigrockbeer.com/

The McNally's is particuarly good as is their Pale Ale.

[DrCrypt]

Jesus, Newcastle Brown Ale? At my old apartment when I first moved to Dublin, I used to be on a first name basis with a filth-encrusted hobo giggolo named Dermot who ended up sprawling himself across the door stoop of the rat trap across the street in the mornings. Dermot had a chromium smile from huffing silver paint out of a plastic bag all day. His other vice was betokened by the gigantic chaise lounge of cans upon which he spent his days lolling in spray paint reveries and gurgling out gibberish placations for spare p. What was that vice? Newcastle Brown, natch - the only beer Dermot ever drank.

As for Guinness, it is definitely acquired and also a little overrated, but people who say they don't like it usually haven't ever had a good one. Guinness, like no other beer, is one that can suffer dramatically if the barkeeper doesn't know what he is doing, or the pipes are dirty, or the keg is old, or the glass hasn't been watched properly, or the barekeeper behind the counter doesn't like how you keep on calling him "Lucky McIdiot" or the way you keep screaming at him to stop humping potatoes and serve me a fucking drink, Mick. Also, it is a well known fact that because of the way draughts are constructed in North America that it is impossible to get a decent Guinness on draught in the states. You are better off getting the cans and reading the damn instructions before you pour it into a pint glass. Otherwise, come to Ireland and I'll take you for a pint at the Stag's Head, which pours a mean one. Or go to Jamaica, where U2 swears they pull a better pint than in Dublin.

For American stout choices, though, I prefer Murphy's Double Chocolate Stout to Guiness... just a phenomenal beer.

[Tyjenks]

Also, it is a well known fact that because of the way draughts are constructed in North America that it is impossible to get a decent Guinness on draught in the states.

Speaking of which, could you air me a keg out here. I'll buy you a copy of AoW2: Shadow Magic.

My wife who gags at Guinness in the states went to a wedding in Ireland right after we were married. While she was more of a Tennets (?) fan, she said the Guiness was like milk. I still think about it and cry. I also have an Irish friend that will rarely drink it here because of the same problems. It just does not ship well it would seem.

[awdougherty]

I have to admit, after having Guinness in Ireland and having it here in the States, it's better in Ireland. It's even better at the brewery (with their weird brewery tour with animatronics).

Here in the States, I often go into the local TGI Friday's or Chili's, order up a pint o' Guinness, and watch them place the pint glass under the spout like it was any other beer. Then it comes to me with a 14 inch head, I tell the barkeep to take it back and do it right, he gets pissed and tells me it will settle. Sure it will, but my lifespan isn't long enough to wait for a 14" header of Guinness to settle.

I've found some diehard Irish pubs in New York City that do the whole thing right, though.

edit: to stay on topic, Golden Grahams rock and hopefully so will KOTOR. I've heard the changes are basically cosmetic. Reworking the controls and interfaces, upping the texture resolution... things like that. My understanding is the content is identical out of the box.

[Ben Sones]

It's not better in Ireland.

Finding someone that can properly maintain the tap and then properly pour a pint of Guinness is key. The gas mixture needs to be just right (mostly nitrogen; too much CO2 overcarbonates the beer and gives it a tinny taste), the tap needs to be cleaned often, and they need to pour the beer in two parts (fill the glass about two-thirds full, let it settle, then top it off). That, at least, is easy to check. If you order a Guinness and they bring it out right away, then the barkeep didn't pour it right. Send it back. Or, better yet, leave and find a place that knows how to serve Guinness.

That's the most common problem that you have with Guinness in the States--barkeeps that don't know how to maintain and serve it. Improper gas mixture, in particular, can throw off the taste dramatically. That is also why some people think Guinness is better in Ireland--barkeeps there know how to serve it properly.

And contrary to popular belief, that's the only difference between Irish and US Guinness. Given a good barkeep, you can get just as good a pint of Guinness here as you can in Ireland because it's the exact same beer. The stuff that they send to pubs in Ireland and the stuff they export to the US is all brewed at St. James Gate in Dublin. There is no "special US version" of Guinness. The beer that ends up in the cellar of a pub in Boston could just as easily wind up in a the cellar of a pub in Dublin. It's the same.

[Tyjenks]

And so ends today's episode of Beer Talk.

Thanks Ben. I actually have been to a TGIFriday's and a couple of Pubs around Birmingham that tilt and draw it properly and the taste from one location to the next varies widely. I had heard fragments of your description on separate occasions, but never an account as thorough as the one you presented. :)

[DrCrypt]

Ben, I am an American living in Ireland, and I'm telling you it is better here. I'm not exactly sure about your message anyway: it seems like you are saying that, despite the fact that no one in the States has a decent draught system for Guinness hooked up, despite no one knowing how to even pull one (not even you, judging by your description), and despite the taps being filthier than they are in Ireland: Guinness in the States is just as good as it is in Ireland. So even if your argument didn't contradict itself, I'm telling you that you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

There's numerous reasons, some of which you already listed, but here is another one: the average lifetime of a keg of Guinness in Ireland is less than three weeks. That means that from the second a keg is filled at the St. James Gate brewery (Crypty fun fact: I used to live right across the street from the brewery and snuck in late at night with a girlfriend to roll a keg out of the premises, which currently serves as an impromptu coffee table in my living room), it will be returned empty to the factory within three weeks. Even on weeknights, many pubs will go through up to a dozen kegs of Guinness. Walking to work in the mornings means jumping over open trap doors outside of every pub, leading to basements into which troll like delivery men roll and drop dozens of kegs every morning onto gigantic piles of Guinness-stained cushions twenty feet below. That means that so much Guinness is being consumed that not only is the Guinness in Ireland fresher and delivered more often (in the country, they will order in bulk, so the Guinness will be older... hence another part of the "Guinness tastes better the closer to St. James' Gate it is" myth), but because the kegs are constantly being changed, the pipes are cleaner as well.

Yes, you can get a decent pint in the States, and I've had a few. But the best pint in the States won't even be able to touch the best pint in Ireland, if only because of the freshness factor. It might all be the same Guinness (and I'm not even sure that's true: one of my co-workers also consults for Guinness, and she informs me that they produce 19 varieties of Guinness at St. James' Gate which are aimed at different country's taste preferences. England supposedly gets the worst stuff, as a big "fuck you" for a millennia of British imperialism from the apex of Irish culture) but until the current batch of matter teleporters eliminate the Cronenbergian nightmare elements, you can't thwart distance.

[Ben Sones]

Or go to Jamaica, where U2 swears they pull a better pint than in Dublin.

That's because Jamaica, unlike the US, does get a special version of Guinness. It has roughly twice the alcohol content.

[DennyA]

Having had Guiness in Ireland, where it is quite good, I can't stand how it tastes by the time it gets here.

Particularly the canned stuff. It tastes like they preserve it by adding a bit of turpentine.

[Ben Sones]

it seems like you are saying that, despite the fact that no one in the States has a decent draught system for Guinness hooked up,

Sure they do. Guinness supplies the same beer-gas equipment to any pub that carries their beer, whether it's in Ireland or America. They'll even send a representative to show the barkeep how to use it. The only real difference is the gas system (which, admittedly, many US barkeeps don't know how to use properly).

despite no one knowing how to even pull one

This used to be more of a problem than it is today. A few years back, Guinness started sending field reprentatives out to pubs in the US to make sure they know how to maintain the equipment and how to pour a pint.

(not even you, judging by your description)

That wasn't meant to be a set of practical instructions, but I do know how a pint of Guinness should be poured. The beer needs to be between 39 and 45 degrees Fahrenheit. Fill the glass two-thirds to three-quarters of the way, with the tap wide open. Then let it sit for a minute and a half so the gas can break out. Then top it off and serve it while the cascade is going. The head should be slightly above the rim of the glass. Did I miss anything?

and despite the taps being filthier than they are in Ireland

I have no way of disputing or confirming this sort of broad, sweeping generalization. I freely admit that I do not know the relative cleanliness status of all taps in the US and Ireland. I know that my local pub cleans the tap lines once a week.

There's numerous reasons, some of which you already listed, but here is another one: the average lifetime of a keg of Guinness in Ireland is less than three weeks.

This is certainly true. It takes about fourteen days to get a keg of Guinness from Dublin to a US tap, so the beer is always going to be at least 2 weeks older. More, if you drink it at a pub that doesn't sell much Guinness. And I agree that you are much more likely to get a good pint in Ireland. I was merely pointing out that the beer itself is the same, even though many people believe that it isn't. There are close to twenty different varieties of Guinness that go out to various contries, but the stuff that goes to Ireland and the US are the same.

[Tom Ohle]

K, I just don't like Guinness. Simple as that. As for my choice in beers for E3... well... take a look at this list of options we had and tell me I didn't push for the right ones:

Budweiser
Coors Light
Heinecken
Newcastle
Beck's
Corona

I stand by the fact that, by choosing Beck's and Newcastle, that I chose the two that are least like urine.

[TheWombat]

Tom, I have to agree with you. Given that hideous list to choose from, you did good, man.

Still, it's kinda like asking to choose between hanging and the firing squad....

[DrCrypt]

Great post, Ben, and you only missed the little shamrock on the head for the perfect pint of Guinness. So you officially have my respect. One thing America has over Ireland in the Guinness department is that, due to the completely insane taxes on alcohol and tobacco over here, a pint of imported Guinness in America will be cheaper than it will be in Dublin. A pint over here is about 5 dollars in the more expensive bars, now... more than fifty percent of that is tax. Irish tobacco (such as Peterson's) costs 200% more than that same tobacco when imported in America, by the way.

[Chris Nahr]

Tom, you're sure you can't get some real beer next time? Better German Pilseners that might have some international presence include Königs, Flensburger (very bitter), Holsten (knallt am dollsten), and Radeberger (not sure about international availability). I guess there's no chance to get Erdinger Weißbier? Paulaner is okay for Weißbier, too.

[Dave Long]

Welcome all new visitors to the Games Forum here at Qt3!

--Dave

[Chris Nahr]

Yes? What's the difference between games and beer, anyway? :)

[XPav]

I guess there's no chance to get Erdinger Weißbier? Paulaner is okay for Weißbier, too.

I just felt like emphasizing the use of these non-english characters.

[Supertanker]

OK, next year we can hold the Qt3 party at Ye Old Kings Head Pub (http://www.yeoldekingshead.com/pub.html) in Santa Monica. There are enough ex-pats and tourists that come through and keep the Guiness as fresh as I've had, being stuck here in the US. The bartenders know what they are doing, and have down the little move where they ring up your sale between the first & second pours so that the line doesn't stack up too badly. The only downside? British food.

[Tom Ohle]

You have to get the beer directly from GES (the guys who run the expo)... and those are the only choices you have.

[Eliot]

strangest gone gold thread ever

KoTOR got a perfect score in GMR and the reviewer posted his comments saying "Best RPG Ever? maybe"

[DaveC]

strangest gone gold thread ever

KoTOR got a perfect score in GMR and the reviewer posted his comments saying "Best RPG Ever? maybe"

Do you have a URL for that?

[Ranulf]

strangest gone gold thread ever

KoTOR got a perfect score in GMR and the reviewer posted his comments saying "Best RPG Ever? maybe"

Do you have a URL for that?

I think its on the gamers.com, GMR forum.


http://boards.gamers.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=GMRMagazine&id=zzlfw

/mmm trendy micro brews..droool

[Eliot]

strangest gone gold thread ever

KoTOR got a perfect score in GMR and the reviewer posted his comments saying "Best RPG Ever? maybe"

Do you have a URL for that?

In addition, Official Xbox Magazine called Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic an "instant classic," and the game received a perfect score in the forthcoming September issue of GMR.

http://www.lucasarts.com/press/releases/79.html

As for the GMR comments

Best RPG ever? Maybe. All I know is that while I type this message, it's calling me back to my Xbox. Here I come, baby!

I'll post some impressions later when I've OD'ed on KOTOR (not likely), but is this worth buying an Xbox for? Yes.

More to come!

Ok, since I just got back from eating a yummy meal, I am no longer shaking with hunger, and am able to type coherently. Consider that I know my way around a Final Fantasy game or two. IMO, the FF formula has gotten increasingly stale (new hero, new ways of calling summons summons, slightly new battle system, etc.). There's no discounting the high quality of Final Fantasy games, but are they all that much fun? Or just wondrous to experience?

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is wondrous AND fun. KOTOR is, among other things:

1) Huge.

You aren't even a Jedi for the first ten hours or so, because you've been trying to rescue Bastilla, a Jedi warrior who's been captured. By completing all the side quests (you gain experience for talking to people) you become strong by leveling up. Since there's no time limit, it behooves you to embark on all the side quests, and in doing so, adds valuable allies to your party, and enables you to discover key weapons and armor that you wouldn't have found if you hadn't taken those quests.

Plus, once you've gotten through about 20% of the game, you then discover that you must travel to at least four new worlds. HUGE.

2) It's never boring.

Unlike many RPGs where the standard fetch quests make you feel like somebody's messenger boy, all the side quests (even settling a Romeo and Juliet-like war between two families) in KOTOR are enjoyable and worth doing just for the experience, not just the experience points.

3) Battle system rocks.

It's not quite real-time, it's not quite turn-based. It's somewhere inbetween. You choose your own actions, and can "stock" a sequence of actions (such as perform a regular attack, powerful attack, throw grenade, and then heal, in that order), leaving you free to cycle to one of your main character's two available allies to use their particular skills as well. If you choose to let them handle themselves, you can also program their strategies, such as setting Bastilla the Jedi to use Jedi skills (speed up, heal, push-back attack) until her Force points deplete. You can also have droids or warriors use their best abilities (grenadier, droid attack, etc.) to support you in battles.

4) Customization is king.

Being able to see, on the real in-game model, the outfits you assign to them, as well as the weapons and accessories, KOTOR takes on a very Diablo II-like style (or if you prefer, Neverwinter Nights) feel. Assigning items to different body parts is made easy thanks to the largely visual equip screen. You can also upgrade specifica armors and weapons, and even enhance your lightsaber with different crystals.

5) Branching paths.

Obviously, it's up to you whether you choose the light side or the dark side, but it is in your actions and deeds that determines this path. A staggering amount of conversations take place, and almost all of them have meaning.

Unlike Final Fantasy, where NPCs (non-player characters) usually have one or two trite lines of inconsequential hoo-ha to say, in KOTOR you actually have conversations. Sure there are a lot of NPCs with nothing to really add to your experience, but that ratio is kept slim compared to the amount of people who do. Since you get experience for furthering the story, it's in your best interest in both the experience gaining sense and the information-gathering sense to be as verbose as possible. There's a payoff there that most other RPGS simply don't have. The fact that the script is unbelievably well-written helps things. To be quite honest, KOTOR has some of the wittiest dialogue I've ever seen in an RPG.

And since I'm 32 years old, I can say that I've seen 'em all. Oh, and I'm currently playing my way towards the Dark side, and let me just say that the options in the dialogue become a lot funnier when you're evil. Fortunately, since the game was designed this way, you're not quite penalized for playing towards the Dark side. Your companions remain unaware of your leanings except by noting how impatient you seem, or how much danger you're in of being persuaded by the Dark side.

As soon as I'm done with the game as a Dark side-type, I'll play through again as a goody two shoes. While a couple things could make the experience a little smoother (interface things, mostly), it's nothing worth griping over, which leads me back to my original point:

Best. RPG. Ever?

Maybe.

http://boards.gamers.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=GMRMagazine&id=zzlfw

The reviewer is milkman from EGM who now works at GMR

Also, the Gamepro review uses GOTY a few times in its review ;)

[Ben Sones]

God-dammit! There are people trying to wait for the PC version, here. Show some restraint.

;)

[xahlt]

Best RPG ever if I like console RPGs, or best RPG ever if I like PC RPGs?

[Tom Ohle]

EVERYTHING :)

[Eliot]

well its just 1 person's opinion

Getting this thread back on track, I'd like to go on record and state how completely off my radar KOTOR was up until the time I put it in my Xbox. I saw the screens, and wondered just how interesting it could be, and basically paid it no mind. I have been completely unaware of the "hype," and have had zero hands-on time with it prior to having played the reviewable. I hadn't even seen the game in action, and was really only aware of the game's progress because of the Bioware connection.

But having played it, I can say that I was completely unprepared for how awesome it turned out to be. Next week, you'll all be able to find out for yourselves, and that's when the message boards will really be worth watching.

And no, I did not mean the best RPG on Xbox. Don't put f#@$ing words in my mouth, thanks. One of the best RPGs I've ever played, and certainly the best I've played in the last five years or so. Only Skies of Arcadia comes close.

[XPav]

Ok, when does it come out for PC?

[Eliot]

Currently, Oct 14 - though I have heard anything from Oct to Nov.

[Warlord of Mars]

God-dammit! There are people trying to wait for the PC version, here. Show some restraint.

;)

Ha ha. Screw that. I'm so glad I already have an XBox. I'm not waiting several more months for a PC release. Good thing I didn't wait for the Halo PC release, either. I'm not getting any younger. :þ

[mtkafka]

btw will the pc have a NWN like editor? holy shit that would rock. but as ive read in the other thread its a different engine. but still....

and buy the xbox version you losers. Bioware are good people. Dave C and Tom Ohle are nice guys. They should be rewarded. Wouldn't you want to be rewarded for good work? Unless Kotor is incomplete and Jedi's aren't implemented... because its a sekrit for only powergamers.... oh yeah, thats another game.

etc

[Mike Cathcart]

God-dammit! There are people trying to wait for the PC version, here. Show some restraint.

;)
Yeah well I'm still waiting for the PC version of Halo, if that makes you feel better.

[Tom Ohle]

Well, first reviews are in.... 95% in Game Informer, and 6/6 at http://www.unlimitedlives.com/games/abstracts/view_item.php?1057978138

[mtkafka]

Well, first reviews are in.... 95% in Game Informer, and 6/6 at http://www.unlimitedlives.com/games/abstracts/view_item.php?1057978138

Unlimited Dives!!! hehe sounds like a ghey bar! anyway, thats the first time I've seen a 6 star system.... weird.... btw i preordered this game because bioware is nice people. also, I think that EB GMR mag gave it a perfect score. Can it really be that good?!?!?!?!?

etc

[Matthew Gallant]

Well, first reviews are in.... 95% in Game Informer.
Which is the same score they gave Galaxies.

[Eliot]

oh and a NTSC-UK reviewer(pretty tough review site) had this to say on KoTOR

Its stunning. Absolutely incredible. Singularly the best and most important western RPG since the first ultima.

This could be as significant as halo in influencing developers (east and west) in my humble opinion.

For once believe the asinine hyperbole of the forums.

http://ntsc-uk.domino.org/viewtopic.php?t=8600&start=0

[Mark Asher]

Well, first reviews are in.... 95% in Game Informer.
Which is the same score they gave Galaxies.

Yeah, no knock against KOTOR, but Game Informer doesn't have much credibility.

KOTOR sounds like the name of a giant robot from some crazy Japanese movie.

[DaveC]

Well, first reviews are in.... 95% in Game Informer.
Which is the same score they gave Galaxies.

Yeah, no knock against KOTOR, but Game Informer doesn't have much credibility.

KOTOR sounds like the name of a giant robot from some crazy Japanese movie.

[bad lip synch] Beware KOTOR is coming!!! [/bad lip synch]

[Warlord of Mars]

Man, it's been a while since I've anticipated a game like this. All the positive buzz surrounding this game is starting to drive me crazy.

I'm going to have to try to think about something else for the next few days...

[DaveC]

IGN review - http://xbox.ign.com/articles/428/428645p1.html?fromint=1

The only disheartening thing in the review for me is that the reviewer assumes that all the sound effects are stock Star Wars sounds. In fact there are very few stock sounds. The signature like the lightsaber are of course, but otherwise most were made from scratch. Julian at the Sound Department and Paul at Duff Studios are awesome.

We also did quite a few in-house. In a way I guess it's a compliment if the reviewer thought our sounds were done by the Ranch. I won't be worthy of Skywalker Sound for quite a few years to come.

[quatoria]

We also did quite a few in-house. In a way I guess it's a compliment if the reviewer thought our sounds were done by the Ranch. I won't be worthy of Skywalker Sound for quite a few years to come.

That's exactly what I was going to say, actually. If a reviewer thought the sounds you custom made were so good that they must have been taken from the movies or other skywalker sound sources, I'd definately take it as a compliment.

[Tyjenks]

And this is a PS2 exclusive?

Tyjenks: still X-boxless and regretting it for the first time.

[Murph]

Man, it's been a while since I've anticipated a game like this. All the positive buzz surrounding this game is starting to drive me crazy.

Ditto.

I got all excited when I heard the Gone Gold announcement, because I'd forgotten that the Xbox version was going to be released several months before the PC version (traitors!), and the GG announcement I read didn't specify the version. I thought "Oooooh! Just a few more days!" And then realized the awful truth. :-(

Ah, well. Don't really have the money now, anyway.

[Jason McMaster]

Think I'll go buy it today and laugh hysterically.

Possilby call Ty up and ask him over, when he gets there I'll wire brush the shit ouf of the CD in front of him.

[Tyjenks]

Think I'll go buy it today and laugh hysterically.

Possilby call Ty up and ask him over, when he gets there I'll wire brush the shit ouf of the CD in front of him.

:P

I actually had a dream last night that I was ant EB and they just gave me an X-box since I was a regular and before I got home, someone had stolen it out of my trunk. Now Jason is taunting me. I cannot win awake or asleep.

[Jason McMaster]

I tell you what, I'll give you Suikoden III back and you can go try to trade it in for a XBox. While they're laughing, hit them over the head and run away with one.

[Slothrop]

We also did quite a few in-house. In a way I guess it's a compliment if the reviewer thought our sounds were done by the Ranch. I won't be worthy of Skywalker Sound for quite a few years to come.

That's exactly what I was going to say, actually. If a reviewer thought the sounds you custom made were so good that they must have been taken from the movies or other skywalker sound sources, I'd definately take it as a compliment.
I would say the IGN guy was impressed:
The sound effects in KOTOR are perfect. Beginning with the lightsabers and blasters, on to the roar of a ship's engines to the clanging of metal on metal when a blast door shuts, this game has the sounds of the franchise nailed. And that's all we have to say about that.