Denied! (Warning: post about relationship inside)

[VictoriaWong]

So, as most of you know, I volunteer in a hospital ward. As such, I'm lowest on the totem pole. I volunteer here for somewhere between 4 hours (minimum) and as much as I can (today, an epic shift of 10.5 hours, which constitutes a triple volunteer shift, since I only took a 15 minute break.)
So today, we were really slammed, and had 47 people pass through for procedures instead of our normal 20 (I checked with the charge nurse); which caused the administration to comp our department lunch- no one had time to leave. So, for goodwill, and all that. Anyway, I'm grabbing a bite to eat with half the staff (one full shift of people) in the department back room when the entire room goes silent.

One of the (female, 37-ish, or so) nurses pipes up.
"Hey, Victoria,..."
*perks up* "Yes? Do you need me to change a bed, or something?"
"No no no. Uh... are you single?"
*lightly* "I don't have time for a boyfriend!"
"Oh. Uh... Well, I wanted to tell you that Daniel (the medical technician) wanted me to ask, because he wanted to marry you."
*tenses up, smile leaves face* "I'm in school. I'm married to my work!" *forced grin*
Other nurse pipes in:
"Good for you, Victoria, you don't need a boyfriend!"
*nods*

Later, when I'm about to grab another bite of the saltiness that is the Chinese food, I hear the following from the open door to the back room:
Daniel the med tech (identifiable because he has the only strong Latino accent on the ward): "So I really like Alicia..."
Nurse: "Alicia? Who's that?"
Daniel the med tech: "You know, the volunteer that works on Fridays..."
Nurse: "You might want to start by learning her name. Her name's Victoria."
I decided I didn't want to hear any of the rest of that particular conversation.
Due to rotations and things like this, I don't work with all of the staff at once.
Also pertinent: there is a requirement to fulfill 75 hours at a single ward before changing wards. I'm bucking for a post in Emergency, but I have to fill my hours, then wait for a spot to open up. I'm coming up on the 75 hour mark in a few weeks, though.

Now, my question for the Qt3 Hivemind:
Being the notably androgynous, misanthropic entity that I am, obviously, this overture will be rejected. I already have an idea of what I will do, but I'd like to see your takes (both serious and hilarious!) of what you would do.
Poll options exist.

Oops, forgot one more:
Accept, then strand him at the altar.

[tromik]

"I prefer to think of her as...Alicia."

I'm not even sure what the question is.

[VictoriaWong]

Question is:
What would you do?

Answer requested for the simple purpose of internet hilarity.

[Funkman]

Question is:
What would you do?

Answer requested for the simple purpose of internet hilarity.

Post on a message board, clearly.

[Woolen Horde]

Question is:
What would you do?


The proper question is: What would Tom Chick do?

[Raife]

Give him twelve herculean tasks and tell him that your religion doesn't allow you to talk to him or even acknowledge him until he completes them all. If he breaks this rule, he'll have to start over. That should keep him busy for the few weeks you have left. Make sure a few of the tasks involve leaving the country, just to be sure.

Good luck, Alicia.

[VictoriaWong]

Post on a message board, clearly.
I was hoping it'd provoke the sort of hilarity the post about spitballs did.
The proper question is: What would Tom Chick do?
Oh, TomChick, I cry out for your divine guidance. Or something.
Give him twelve herculean tasks and tell him that your religion doesn't allow you to talk to him or even acknowledge him until he completes them. If he breaks this rule, he'll have to start over. That should keep him busy for the few weeks you have left. Make sure a few of the tasks involve leaving the country, just to be sure.
Good luck, Alicia.
Thank you.

[tromik]

Maybe it's because I just watched the latest episode of The Office, but I kinda feel bad for the guy. I say give him a shot!

[bigdruid]

I couldn't find the "get really drunk after your shift, have sex with Fernando in a broom closet, spill the beans in a new thread" option.

All the ones up there are really boring versions of "Just Say No".

[Funkman]

Maybe it's because I just watched the lastest episode of The Office, but I kinda feel bad for the guy. I say give him a shot!

I won't lie.. I was thinking that too. And I swear it has nothing to do with the fact that I just spent the last 3 hours of my Friday night watching The Wire. Completely unrelated, I swear.

[Unicorn McGriddle]

I was hoping it'd provoke the sort of hilarity the post about spitballs did.

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[VictoriaWong]

Maybe it's because I just watched the lastest episode of The Office, but I kinda feel bad for the guy. I say give him a shot!
I'd consider your response reasonable if I knew him better and if he wasn't: ten years older, in a job that's really nothing more than a glorified janitor, not looking to improve himself, and tattooed.
Also, I'm very misanthropic.
I couldn't find the "get really drunk after your shift, have sex with Fernando in a broom closet, spill the beans in a new thread" option.

All the ones up there are really boring versions of "Just Say No".
I thought my last option was more amusing, but that's also an amusing suggestion.
I won't lie.. I was thinking that too. And I swear it has nothing to do with the fact that I just spent the last 3 hours of my Friday night watching The Wire. Completely unrelated, I swear.
...

Unicorn, sadly, I think I'd find the picture more amusing if I actually knew what the object in question was.

[bigdruid]

Oh, yeah, I think we do have to give you significant bonus points for the most creative and appropriate use of the "shit bonerz" poll option I've seen.

[Kraaze]

I'm setting up a fund to bribe Tom into changing Victoria's account name to Alicia. Anyone else want to chip in?

[tromik]

I'd consider your response reasonable if I knew him better and if he wasn't: ten years older, in a job that's really nothing more than a glorified janitor, not looking to improve himself, and tattooed.
Well now you're just an elitest jerk.

Forget it, Fernando! You can do better than her!

[VictoriaWong]

Oh, yeah, I think we do have to give you significant bonus points for the most creative and appropriate use of the "shit bonerz" poll option I've seen.
Fire did quite a memorable one in her Methods of Birth Control thread...

[AndrewM]

Go see a doctor.

[tromik]

I won't lie.. I was thinking that too. And I swear it has nothing to do with the fact that I just spent the last 3 hours of my Friday night watching The Wire. Completely unrelated, I swear.
I fail to see th...oooh, I get it.

[VictoriaWong]

Well now you're just an elitest jerk.

Forget it, Fernando! You can do better than her!

Note: I'm lower on the totem pole than he is, so I'm not sure how much of an elitist jerk that makes me...
Also, it is impractical for me/us to live on such a limited income. I'm still in school at an institution with a ridiculously high tuition, which is paid for by a scholarship which I have a distinct possibility of losing should I marry, which was the proposition in question, rather than dating, which is more practical, but just as unlikely to happen. Not sure what kind of income you grew up on, but I grew up just shy of the dole queue, and I really don't want to do that again. If he were looking to improve himself, again, it might be more likely to happen, but since he's been there that long, it isn't happening.
Also, disparities in educational level/intellectual capacity = bad in long-term relationship.
Father (presumptive): could have been ivory-tower intellectual if A. the cultural revolution hadn't come and B. had had enough money to formally study
Mother: failed to become trophy wife, became bitter instead
Relationship collapsed, mother had me to try to save it, both of them are lucky I came out more like him than her, even though she raised me.
A--, would not try again.

[rei]

How YOU doin'?

[Mordrak]

Note: I'm lower on the totem pole than he is, so I'm not sure how much of an elitist jerk that makes me...
Also, it is impractical for me/us to live on such a limited income. I'm still in school at an institution with a ridiculously high tuition, which is paid for by a scholarship which I have a distinct possibility of losing should I marry, which was the proposition in question, rather than dating, which is more practical, but just as unlikely to happen. Not sure what kind of income you grew up on, but I grew up just shy of the dole queue, and I really don't want to do that again. If he were looking to improve himself, again, it might be more likely to happen, but since he's been there that long, it isn't happening.

You're taking his comment too seriously. He's not saying you're elitist because you won't marry or date him.

I gather it's mostly just a joke.

[VictoriaWong]

You're taking his comment too seriously. He's not saying you're elitist because you won't marry or date him.

I gather it's mostly just a joke.
True enough, although I've had enough comments about my being elitist to actually take them seriously now, especially since I'm about to sign off and it's bad if he actually was serious and I left them unanswered.

[tromik]

True enough, although I've had enough comments about my being elitist to actually take them seriously now, especially since I'm about to sign off and it's bad if he actually was serious and I left them unanswered.
I didn't really mean anything by it. I thought you were trolling for laughs, you know, like you requested in the OP.

Although the janitor remark was a bit mean. I haven't been a custodian in years, but it still hurts.

[Equis]

You can use this as opportunity to further your misanthropic bent. Have you ever seen the movie Hard Candy? or Audition? You being Asian is a bonus to that sort of activity. And a biologist to boot, I bet you know how to harvest just the right organs to get yourself out of debt.

[VictoriaWong]

True. I was, in fact, trolling for laughs, although this is a real incident that did happen today.
*shrug* I do the same stuff he does, except not for pay. Didn't mean to catch you in the crossfire.
Ah, thank you, Equis.
Haven't seen those movies, but that's a good suggestion too. :-)

[Aeon221]

Buy pot from him. You know he sells it.

[Bahimiron]

Maybe it's because I just watched the latest episode of The Office, but I kinda feel bad for the guy. I say give him a shot!

I'm with tromik. Having once been someone like the poor bastard in this story, I feel for him. I mean, so long as he goes for a date before trying to pop the question. That is a bit odd.

Unicorn, sadly, I think I'd find the picture more amusing if I actually knew what the object in question was.

Claymore mine. Beloved for the unironic instructions on its explodey side.

[Sarkus]

Well, your breakdown above about where the relationship would go with someone you apparently hardly know reminds me of myself. I don't recommend being that way. :-)

That said, I voted say no and ignore him. Actually, I don't think that you provided a fair selection, but that was the closest to it. Honestly, if you aren't interested, all you have to do is say no. The plan to ignore the guy as if he's stalking you seems extreme. Again, you seem to be jumping to conclusions about what might happen if you say no.

In other words, say you're not interested (assuming he ever actually asks) and live your life normally. No reason to start making plans based on something that hasn't even happened.

[Funkula]

So you've been the guy telling a girl he wants to marry her through a third party, without dating her or even getting her name right?

Also, for some reason I had the guy pegged as South Asian until she mentioned the accent.

[jeffd]

I can see why he's so enamored of you. You're obviously a real catch.

[Aeon221]

It's like you guys are trying to write the script for Grumpiest Old Men: Forum Warz.

[tromik]

Claymore mine. Beloved for the unironic instructions on its explodey side.
And usually it says something like "Front toward enemy" or "This side away from face."

[Adree]

http://www.weirdstuff.com.au/store/images/uploads/cclfull1.JPG

[jeffd]

I think this thread can safely end now.

[VictoriaWong]

I'm with tromik. Having once been someone like the poor bastard in this story, I feel for him. I mean, so long as he goes for a date before trying to pop the question. That is a bit odd.

Claymore mine. Beloved for the unironic instructions on its explodey side.
I was sort of surprised, because the only conversations we've had that were more than him saying something that I ignored were instructions about how to clean something.
Well, your breakdown above about where the relationship would go with someone you apparently hardly know reminds me of myself. I don't recommend being that way. :-)

That said, I voted say no and ignore him. Actually, I don't think that you provided a fair selection, but that was the closest to it. Honestly, if you aren't interested, all you have to do is say no. The plan to ignore the guy as if he's stalking you seems extreme. Again, you seem to be jumping to conclusions about what might happen if you say no.

In other words, say you're not interested (assuming he ever actually asks) and live your life normally. No reason to start making plans based on something that hasn't even happened.
*shrug* Not interested in relationships. Haven't been, sofar as I can remember. And I did say that people could add their own ideas. And he has been sort of attempting to stalk me in the ward, insofar as duties have allowed. You'd expect that getting the cold shoulder for 2 months or so every single time you tried to speak to someone doesn't mean they want to marry you, I hope...
Personnel conflicts are highly discouraged, especially since the nurses really like both of us, and I fear some sort of factioning. Far easier for me to just leave, with or without explanation.
So you've been the guy telling a girl he wants to marry her through a third party, without dating her or even getting her name right?

Also, for some reason I had the guy pegged as South Asian until she mentioned the accent.
*shrug*

Also, jeffd, the fact that I'm grumpy and angry and often vindictive (and therefore a notably poor catch) is exactly why I am so surprised this happened.

Also, adree, it's probably significant that I like fish a lot more than cats. I'll be the crazy fish androgyne.

[Brendan]

Tell him you are lesbian and ask if he has sister.

[Kyle Wilson]

I'd consider your response reasonable if I knew him better and if he wasn't: ten years older, in a job that's really nothing more than a glorified janitor, not looking to improve himself, and tattooed.

Awesome. Post some pics of loverboy and we can get this thread started.

[VictoriaWong]

Awesome. Post some pics of loverboy and we can get this thread started.
I think there has been a request to end this thread which should be heeded before this one...

[DoomMunky]

Alicia: First tip toward inspiring internet hilarity in a thread you've started? Stop posting in that thread for a while. Let something get started--if it's going to--before you come back in and get defensive.

Also you're mean as shit. You should follow him into a storage room, shove him roughly against a shelf unit, push yourself uncomfortably close to him, gently caress his face with the side of your hand and then tense up. Cock your head to one side like you're listening hard, then snap your head up, stare straight into his eyes, and squinch your face up and pretend to take a big wet shit in your pants. Smile brightly and kiss the tip of his nose, say "Oops! One sec!" and waddle from the room.

Wait.

[Adree]

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[Bill Dungsroman]

I don't want to come off as callous or brusque or mean or anything, but this thread fucking sucks.


To wit:

Daniel the med tech (identifiable because he has the only strong Latino accent on the ward): "So I really like Alicia..."
Nurse: "Alicia? Who's that?"
Daniel the med tech: "You know, the volunteer that works on Fridays..."
Nurse: "You might want to start by learning her name. Her name's Victoria."
I decided I didn't want to hear any of the rest of that particular conversation.


Haha, yeah what jerk. With his not-speaking-English-well self and inability to know your name because fuck, everyone should know YOUR name, right?

I choose: get the fuck over yourself. There's really nothing funny about deliberating on exactly just how you'd like to be cruel to another human being, but fortunately the internet is of abundant supply of suggestions to that end.
















Wait no here's my final selection, apply as needed:


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[Adree]

this thread fucking sucks.


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[tromik]

I like how Adree has moved beyond test-based posts and is using completely random images that have no relation to the topic at hand most of the time. It's like looking into the future.

[BobJustBob]

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[fire]

Aww, poor guy. He obviously has no idea what he's getting into.

I doubt he actually wants to marry you, and if you really want to tell him no, you should make it clear. Either by word of mouth ("Aw, gee, nurse, that's swell, but I'm really not interested. Since he hasn't talked to me about it, maybe you could dissuade him for me.") or by telling him when/if he ever brings it up with you.

Now, I say that here, but there is a guy in one of my classes that's asked me to go see a movie with him on three separate occasions and I always give cop-out excuses like "busy this weekend" rather than "I'm married" or "I'm lesbian" or "not interested." In my defense, he always asks as I'm running off somewhere (cutting class mid-way, e.g.), but I still consider it inexcusable not to be up-front with the guy. :-(

[wildpokerman]

Note: I'm lower on the totem pole than he is, so I'm not sure how much of an elitist jerk that makes me...
Also, it is impractical for me/us to live on such a limited income. I'm still in school at an institution with a ridiculously high tuition, which is paid for by a scholarship which I have a distinct possibility of losing should I marry, which was the proposition in question, rather than dating, which is more practical, but just as unlikely to happen. Not sure what kind of income you grew up on, but I grew up just shy of the dole queue, and I really don't want to do that again. If he were looking to improve himself, again, it might be more likely to happen, but since he's been there that long, it isn't happening.
Also, disparities in educational level/intellectual capacity = bad in long-term relationship.
Father (presumptive): could have been ivory-tower intellectual if A. the cultural revolution hadn't come and B. had had enough money to formally study
Mother: failed to become trophy wife, became bitter instead
Relationship collapsed, mother had me to try to save it, both of them are lucky I came out more like him than her, even though she raised me.
A--, would not try again.

This post makes me wonder how far around the bend you really are. Let me give you my commentaty on this overall situation. You solicited and I have opinions to spare. Again the supply demand curve of worthless opinions meets on Q23! That's modern economics.

Firstly if he is seriously proposing he's either a nut or a total loser. I'm thinking he would actually like to have dinner with you but he's too much of a dolt or lacks the self confidence to ask you out in a normal fashion. Normally I'd rant a bit about how he's sexually harrasing you if you truly aren't interested but hey, it's a volunteer job so who cares if he gets fired. Personally I think a lot of the reason single people take on volunteering is to meet prospective partners so if his advances aren't totally screwing up your ability to work than I'd say finish your time out and don't worry about it too much. If you don't know him well enough to guess than he's totally off base. As a serious answer I'd probably click the reported button on his proposal and have one of the people in charge give him a talking too. Sexual harrassment even on a volunteer job is totally uncool and totally illegal.


Secondly, you describe yourself as misanthropic however you're spending your time volunteering. Something doesn't compute here. Either you prefer to remain single for now, you have no idea what misanthropic means or you're gay and in the closet. Yes you can be in the closet even from yourself. If it's just that you don't want a relationship right now because Mommy and Daddy didn't have a good marraige and you want to finish school and stand on your own feet before you get involved than I say good for you. Several women are going through that and several more will until there is worldwide sexual equality. You don't have to pretend to hate all men or hate all people just because you want to have a good career before you marry some dude.

[jeffd]

What Bill and yurislave said.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Firstly if he is seriously proposing he's either a nut or a total loser.

It's not inconceivable that such overtures are part of his culture.

[SergioBAM]

Grow a pair and tell him no.

Then go out with his best friend (or sister; if this happens, start a new thread with nothing but pictures. Words would only ruin the moment).

[Funkula]

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2623/kucinich20and20wifeqe0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
You're welcome.

[Angie Gallant]

Wow, how many more people are going to project themselves into this situation and then cry about the mean lady?

[DrCrypt]

Victoria, it's hard to imagine what kind of person you are when someone thinking you're cool and attractive is tantamount to an unconscionable offense. You also sound out of your mind: you interpret some random nurse's gossipy joke that the Janitor wants to marry as an actual proposal you need to deliberate and a decision you have to defend? Get a fucking grip. He doesn't want to marry you. He just finds you cute and cool and wants to go out on a date and is polling people to see if you might be interested before he asks. Maybe if you weren't such a little ice queen, he'd have come straight to you. Jesus.

The correct response when someone asks you out that you're not attracted to is to be flattered and then kindly but firmly tell them no. Welcome to the human race: obeying a biological imperative, some people are going to try to rut with you. It says absolutely nothing bad about them, in and of itself, but the way you handle yourself when you're not interested says a fuckload about you... especially when your immediate reaction to some bored nurse's mischievous joke is to bring out Quicken.

[Hanzii]

I like how Adree has moved beyond test-based posts and is using completely random images that have no relation to the topic at hand most of the time. It's like looking into the future.


What?
His replies made more sense than yours.

[madkevin]

I had no idea Rogen was that short.

[Moggraider]

DrCrypt and Bill are right. If this board was mostly posted in by women or something, of course this thread would go great, because you could all post about icky boys who've asked you out, but as it is, it blows.

[Orinoco]

Wow, you guys are mean.

I think where poor Alicia went wrong is to post this on a board full of geeky men, who been on the other side of this equation (I know I have).

Both of you have my sympathies - it's a very awkward situation to work with someone where you don't know how to say things that won't be taken the wrong way. Even "pass the bedpan" can be seen as "wow, she really likes me!" if that's what you're focused on.

Anyway, good luck Victoria. If my experience is anything to go by, then you'll handle this very badly but hopefully learn something that will help you the next time it happens...

[Kalle]

I don't buy the "geeky men board" excuse. Qt3 is equal-opportunity about the "get a fucking clue" messages when people get way too personal and awkward.

[Dean]

Finish your hours first.

Then fuck his brains out.

Then tell him your name is Alicia and give him a fake phone number.

It has everything, you get the "no relationship" option, you finish your volunteer work, and heck, you even get laid by a hot latino with tattoos. It's something you can tell your grandchildren.

[Frumple]

I'm with DrCrypt. You're an angry soul.

[VictoriaWong]

Aww, poor guy. He obviously has no idea what he's getting into.
I doubt he actually wants to marry you, and if you really want to tell him no, you should make it clear. Either by word of mouth ("Aw, gee, nurse, that's swell, but I'm really not interested. Since he hasn't talked to me about it, maybe you could dissuade him for me.") or by telling him when/if he ever brings it up with you.
In my defense, he always asks as I'm running off somewhere (cutting class mid-way, e.g.), but I still consider it inexcusable not to be up-front with the guy. :-(
The reactions of the nurses (several of whom were in the other half of the staff, and were not there when the one nurse brought it up to me, and brought it up later in the day) would seem to indicate he really was serious; I mean, two asked me when I was thinking about getting married.
I would probably be upfront with the guy if A. he hadn't asked the nurses on, apparently, the entire ward, and B. if both of us weren't reasonably popular with the nurses, such that my being angry with him would cause unreasonable tension in the ward.

Firstly if he is seriously proposing he's either a nut or a total loser. I'm thinking he would actually like to have dinner with you but he's too much of a dolt or lacks the self confidence to ask you out in a normal fashion. Normally I'd rant a bit about how he's sexually harrasing you if you truly aren't interested but hey, it's a volunteer job so who cares if he gets fired. Personally I think a lot of the reason single people take on volunteering is to meet prospective partners so if his advances aren't totally screwing up your ability to work than I'd say finish your time out and don't worry about it too much. If you don't know him well enough to guess than he's totally off base. As a serious answer I'd probably click the reported button on his proposal and have one of the people in charge give him a talking too. Sexual harrassment even on a volunteer job is totally uncool and totally illegal.
Secondly, you describe yourself as misanthropic however you're spending your time volunteering. Something doesn't compute here. Either you prefer to remain single for now, you have no idea what misanthropic means or you're gay and in the closet. Yes you can be in the closet even from yourself. If it's just that you don't want a relationship right now because Mommy and Daddy didn't have a good marraige and you want to finish school and stand on your own feet before you get involved than I say good for you. Several women are going through that and several more will until there is worldwide sexual equality. You don't have to pretend to hate all men or hate all people just because you want to have a good career before you marry some dude.
I think he was worried about sexual harassment, which is why he didn't ask me directly, but asked someone else to ask. It would probably have helped his cause, though, if he hadn't asked, and I repeat, the whole ward. There's no reason I can't leave, so that's what I'm going to do. And while his advances aren't going to mess up my ability to work, the nurses' perception of them certainly will, which is more of a factor in my decision to leave.
Also, there are other factors in volunteering. I don't necessarily volunteer because I like people: generally, I volunteer because I like the activity: the only one in which I volunteered because "I like people!" was about 7 years ago, when I volunteered with a library. I volunteer here primarily because doctors show me things, like how to do procedures, how to operate an endoscope, and what cancerous cells look like under several different kinds of stains, and how you can diagnose different cancers and sometimes the origins of a metastatic cancer thereby. Also, I realize that I should feel bad about my misanthropy, but I don't- volunteering is a way to atone for my guilt.
Several people have now commented that I'm apparently not misanthropic: I refer you to Aaron, who might not be on this weekend, but has commented that I'm the most misanthropic person he knows.
Also, I'm happily out of the closet and defiantly asexual.
It's not inconceivable that such overtures are part of his culture.
What modern culture do you know supports asking someone to marry you after knowing them for 15 minutes? I'm not irritated about the go-between; I'm irritated about the proposal.
Grow a pair and tell him no.

Then go out with his best friend (or sister; if this happens, start a new thread with nothing but pictures. Words would only ruin the moment).
Thanks. :-)
Victoria, it's hard to imagine what kind of person you are when someone thinking you're cool and attractive is tantamount to an unconscionable offense. You also sound out of your mind: you interpret some random nurse's gossipy joke that the Janitor wants to marry as an actual proposal you need to deliberate and a decision you have to defend? Get a fucking grip. He doesn't want to marry you. He just finds you cute and cool and wants to go out on a date and is polling people to see if you might be interested before he asks. Maybe if you weren't such a little ice queen, he'd have come straight to you. Jesus.

The correct response when someone asks you out that you're not attracted to is to be flattered and then kindly but firmly tell them no. Welcome to the human race: obeying a biological imperative, some people are going to try to rut with you. It says absolutely nothing bad about them, in and of itself, but the way you handle yourself when you're not interested says a fuckload about you... especially when your immediate reaction to some bored nurse's mischievous joke is to bring out Quicken.
Perhaps if I weren't deliberately uncool and unattractive, and hadn't been giving him the cold shoulder for the last month or so, his response would be more understandable. And if the whole ward (even the shift that wasn't eating lunch then knew about it- some nurses asked me about when I was planning to get married later) hadn't taken it seriously, maybe I'd be a little less angry/weirded out about it. And you correctly note that he probably perceives me as an ice queen, which is certainly how I act around him (and everyone else, actually, when the ward is busy)- so how logical is it to then ask said ice queen to marry you?
It would probably also have helped if it wasn't becoming clear, however slowly, to the ward that I wasn't interested in relationships.
Wow, you guys are mean.
I think where poor Alicia went wrong is to post this on a board full of geeky men, who been on the other side of this equation (I know I have).
Both of you have my sympathies - it's a very awkward situation to work with someone where you don't know how to say things that won't be taken the wrong way. Even "pass the bedpan" can be seen as "wow, she really likes me!" if that's what you're focused on.
Anyway, good luck Victoria. If my experience is anything to go by, then you'll handle this very badly but hopefully learn something that will help you the next time it happens...
Nothing wrong with their being mean- after all, by posting it here, I certainly am.
I've seen my fair share of geeks propose in awkward ways, which is usually met with an apologetic "Sorry, but I don't like people, animals, plants, or inanimate objects." and a smile.
But having to leave the ward because it would make working with all the nurses (one guy, not so much of a problem: entire staff except the 3 docs and 3 anesthesiologists?...) problematic merits an angry response.
I don't buy the "geeky men board" excuse. Qt3 is equal-opportunity about the "get a fucking clue" messages when people get way too personal and awkward.
Thank you.

Finish your hours first.
Then fuck his brains out.
Then tell him your name is Alicia and give him a fake phone number.
It has everything, you get the "no relationship" option, you finish your volunteer work, and heck, you even get laid by a hot latino with tattoos. It's something you can tell your grandchildren.

...

You're an angry soul.

Yes, yes, I am.

[Ryan A]

As I read Alice's posts in this thread, I couldn't help but wonder if she spent her junior high and high school years locked in her parents' bomb shelter is only now discovering social interaction.

[tiohn]

I didn't know that so many of you had proposed to Alicia.

[Kalle]

Victoria, had he actually proposed to you in person then *he* would be the socially awkward idiot. But he didn't. He was sounding out one of your colleagues to see if he could get anywhere with you and you proceeded to overreact in a spectacular fashion.

Get a fucking clue.

[VictoriaWong]

Victoria, had he actually proposed to you in person then *he* would be the socially awkward idiot. But he didn't. He was sounding out one of your colleagues to see if he could get anywhere with you and you proceeded to overreact in a spectacular fashion.

Get a fucking clue.
Sounded out all of my colleagues, more like, and not just anywhere, but marriage. I might also have been more charitably inclined if I'd worked with him for more than 15 minutes, all told.
I'm not denying that I'm a socially awkward idiot, by the way. I see nothing wrong with people that are socially awkward idiots, as long as they don't disrupt other things with their idiocy. I could handle him asking, or even him asking one nurse to ask me. Asking the whole ward of nurses (both shifts) seems a little like overkill, especially since I deliberately avoid talking about my personal life to anyone on the ward. The only thing that I've said, aside from duty-relevant stuff, is that "I'm sorry that I'm going to have to come late some days, because I do research on the other campus." So the ice queen insult actually isn't, because that is an aspect I deliberately project.

[Equis]

Secondly, you describe yourself as misanthropic however you're spending your time volunteering. Something doesn't compute here.

This part makes sense to me and it didn't result in Alicia being either gay or in the closet. A close friend of mine is also a self-diagnosed misanthropic. What that means is that he hates social interaction. He hates the small talk, the minutiae of white lies that people tell in order to present themselves. He hates other people's sense of humour, their dress sense and most of all, what he describes as their rampant hypocrisy in social situation. Now, I don't hang out with him much anymore, but I did grow up with him. It seems pretty misanthropic behaviour to me.

He's also one of the best damn and most dedicated doctors to ever work the hospitals. He may not have the best bedside manners, but he works his ass off in general medicine, pulling 36 hour shifts just to get a diagnosis. Carefully timing his calls and sleep schedules so he can be as awake as alert as possible in the ICU. Hell on other doctors who slack off and absoluted diligent in his rounds.

Our take is that he has great compassion for the humanity but sees what people have become as a failing for that. I'm not saying it isn't ironic that he stews in his own hypocrisy regarding his misanthropism, but I'll take his dedicated doctoring and near-asperger syndrome social interaction over the douchebag who smiles at you as a friend but really doesn't care inside.

In the case of Victoria. I don't know her, but what I sense is that she grew up in difficult times never having the actual benefit of a strong social structure in which to play nice with everyone else. Hence, her self-described misanthropic nature. But somewhere deep down inside her, she cares a little bit about humanity as a whole and is expressing that by volunteering.

Either that, or it's a course requirement and she's doing it as cynically as she possible can.

[VictoriaWong]

He hates the small talk, the minutiae of white lies that people tell in order to present themselves. He hates other people's sense of humour, their dress sense and most of all, what he describes as their rampant hypocrisy in social situation. Now, I don't hang out with him much anymore, but I did grow up with him. It seems pretty misanthropic behaviour to me.
He's also one of the best damn and most dedicated doctors to ever work the hospitals. He may not have the best bedside manners, but he works his ass off in general medicine, pulling 36 hour shifts just to get a diagnosis. Carefully timing his calls and sleep schedules so he can be as awake as alert as possible in the ICU. Hell on other doctors who slack off and absoluted diligent in his rounds.
Our take is that he has great compassion for the humanity but sees what people have become as a failing for that. I'm not saying it isn't ironic that he stews in his own hypocrisy regarding his misanthropism, but I'll take his dedicated doctoring and near-asperger syndrome social interaction over the douchebag who smiles at you as a friend but really doesn't care inside.
In the case of Victoria. I don't know her, but what I sense is that she grew up in difficult times never having the actual benefit of a strong social structure in which to play nice with everyone else. Hence, her self-described misanthropic nature. But somewhere deep down inside her, she cares a little bit about humanity as a whole and is expressing that by volunteering.
Either that, or it's a course requirement and she's doing it as cynically as she possible can.
I hate the small talk and minutiae, but do it anyway when I'm on campus, and ignore it elsewhere. I'm told that I'm one of the most diligent volunteers, but that's likely also due to the fact that instead of chatting with the nurses, as the other volunteers apparently do, I actually perform my job duties. I don't get irritated at them when they slack off- I'm there for a lot less time than they are, so I can't condemn them.
Not a course requirement: I do it largely because I can learn. Even if a 8-hour shift pays off in about 2 minutes of looking at cancerous cells under the scope.

[NI]

A close friend of mine is also a self-diagnosed misanthropic. What that means is that he hates social interaction. He hates the small talk, the minutiae of white lies that people tell in order to present themselves. He hates other people's sense of humour, their dress sense and most of all, what he describes as their rampant hypocrisy in social situation. Now, I don't hang out with him much anymore, but I did grow up with him. It seems pretty misanthropic behaviour to me.

He's also one of the best damn and most dedicated doctors to ever work the hospitals. He may not have the best bedside manners, but he works his ass off in general medicine, pulling 36 hour shifts just to get a diagnosis.
Does he look like this?
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTM0Mjc2NzI5OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMDk4NzE3._V1._ SY400_SX600_.jpg

[Aeon221]

http://bbq.isgoodfor.us/wp-content/FlyingPigs.jpg

[Tim]

I don't believe I've ever been on Alexis's side of an unwanted advance. I'm oblivious and socially inept enough to have conceivably not recognized one, but realistically, it's never happened.

But I really don't get the question either. A guy put out indirect info about his interest. This is pretty common. But he either put it on humorous terms that were misinterpreted or wildly inappropriate terms for modern western society. The latter could be explained either by severe social ineptness or a very different culture. Those cultures are alive & well even in the US.

Either way, what's the big deal? You gave a pretty clear rejection via the indirect contacts, which also is common and perfectly reasonable. It sounds like you're imagining all sorts of consequences. "What do I do next?" Go to class, see a movie, whatever. If he gets stalky or vindictive at work, then your story continues. But it sounds like it ended long before it got interesting.

[Orinoco]

Abigail - I'm obviously the only one that understands you. Will you marry me?

[Bahimiron]

Not knowing her name and wanting to propose leads me to think that the guy is simple. So maybe all the options that involve being a dick should be taken off the table.

[Athryn]

Wow, how many more people are going to project themselves into this situation and then cry about the mean lady?

I think she has to post a picture of her ass before people will actually treat her sympathetically.

[VictoriaWong]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ee/Democratslogo.svg/150px-Democratslogo.svg.png

[Malcolm Tucker]

Perhaps if I weren't deliberately uncool and unattractive,

This just implies you are freaky in bed.

Also, yeah, girls who take polite interest as an insult rather than a compliment tend to grow up unlaid and alone.

[fire]

I'm pretty appalled at you guys being so mean in your responses.

It comes down to Victoria feeling uncomfortable in her work environment. The proposal and the guy have little to do with it at this point. I'm sure you can relate to that better than you can to Victoria not wanting to date each and every one of you and also the janitor.

And yeah, Victoria, if you feel uncomfortable at work, you can either resolve it (go to a boss and talk about it until something can be done that makes you feel all right to stick around) or change it (leave). Since you're not committed to working this particular shift at this particular location, leaving is the best option. It does no one any good for you to stay there and be watching your back for rumors and dirty looks all the time. It's a volunteer job which you should enjoy, and if he's taken the enjoyment out of it, yup -- time to move on.

Edit: Did I say mean? I meant total vindictive assholes.

[Qenan]

Well, but it was Victoria who created a thread and basically asked how mean she should be. It wasn't framed as a support thread.

[AndrewM]

I don't think you need to do anything. This guy clearly has some problems, but he hasn't said anything to you directly, so what's the concern here? I imagine the people who are relaying his interests to you are playing it up for the purposes of hilarity.

[Kalle]

I'm pretty appalled at you guys being so mean in your responses.

It comes down to Victoria feeling uncomfortable in her work environment. The proposal and the guy have little to do with it at this point. I'm sure you can relate to that better than you can to Victoria not wanting to date each and every one of you and also the janitor.

I'm pretty appalled at the outpouring of sympathy for someone whose response to some guy's feeling-out "is she interested in me" conversation is to make a thread about it.

It comes down to having the common sense to stay away from the "New Thread" button whenever your dysfunctional attitude towards life sends you for a spin.

[Wholly Schmidt]

I'm pretty appalled at you guys being so mean in your responses.

It comes down to Victoria feeling uncomfortable in her work environment. The proposal and the guy have little to do with it at this point. I'm sure you can relate to that better than you can to Victoria not wanting to date each and every one of you and also the janitor.

And yeah, Victoria, if you feel uncomfortable at work, you can either resolve it (go to a boss and talk about it until something can be done that makes you feel all right to stick around) or change it (leave). Since you're not committed to working this particular shift at this particular location, leaving is the best option. It does no one any good for you to stay there and be watching your back for rumors and dirty looks all the time. It's a volunteer job which you should enjoy, and if he's taken the enjoyment out of it, yup -- time to move on.

Edit: Did I say mean? I meant total vindictive assholes.
You can't take her side, you'll tear Qt3 apart!

[Drastic]

It comes down to Victoria feeling uncomfortable in her work environment. The proposal and the guy have little to do with it at this point. I'm sure you can relate to that better than you can to Victoria not wanting to date each and every one of you and also the janitor.

The janitor's a supercool guy, though, and I think he and Arthur would really hit it off.

[VictoriaWong]

This just implies you are freaky in bed.
Also, yeah, girls who take polite interest as an insult rather than a compliment tend to grow up unlaid and alone.
I don't think I want to live in the world you seem to live in.
Also, to the second point, yes, and that's what I want anyway, so *shrug*
I'm pretty appalled at you guys being so mean in your responses.
It comes down to Victoria feeling uncomfortable in her work environment. The proposal and the guy have little to do with it at this point. I'm sure you can relate to that better than you can to Victoria not wanting to date each and every one of you and also the janitor.
And yeah, Victoria, if you feel uncomfortable at work, you can either resolve it (go to a boss and talk about it until something can be done that makes you feel all right to stick around) or change it (leave). Since you're not committed to working this particular shift at this particular location, leaving is the best option. It does no one any good for you to stay there and be watching your back for rumors and dirty looks all the time. It's a volunteer job which you should enjoy, and if he's taken the enjoyment out of it, yup -- time to move on.
Edit: Did I say mean? I meant total vindictive assholes.
Thanks. :-D
Well, but it was Victoria who created a thread and basically asked how mean she should be. It wasn't framed as a support thread.
If you read my original post, you'll see that it says, in the question itself, that I already know what I'm going to do: I'm just curious about what other people would do.
I don't think you need to do anything. This guy clearly has some problems, but he hasn't said anything to you directly, so what's the concern here? I imagine the people who are relaying his interests to you are playing it up for the purposes of hilarity.
...If only because I actively avoid him already? And both shifts of nurses seem to be taking it pretty seriously, so that will affect how they treat me, which is a little more disruptive than me just ignoring a single guy, which is what would have happened if he asked me directly, or just asked a single nurse.
I'm pretty appalled at the outpouring of sympathy for someone whose response to some guy's feeling-out "is she interested in me" conversation is to make a thread about it.
It comes down to having the common sense to stay away from the "New Thread" button whenever your dysfunctional attitude towards life sends you for a spin.
Hey, I'm pretty surprised about the sympathy myself.

[MikeJ]

And both shifts of nurses seem to be taking it pretty seriously, so that will affect how they treat me, which is a little more disruptive than me just ignoring a single guy, which is what would have happened if he asked me directly, or just asked a single nurse.

I guess this is just my lack of social intelligence kicking in, but I don't understand why this episode is significantly affecting your relationship with the nurses. I mean, from the nurses point of view, shouldn't it be: He has a crush on you. You aren't interested. The End.

In what way do you expect the nurses to treat you differently after this?

[Matthew Gallant]

Also, I'm happily out of the closet and defiantly asexual.
I don't think it counts as a closet if when you are outside of it you don't want to have sex with anyone. I mean, you could even be in the army, because even if they did ask, you can't tell.

[The Other Guy]

Wow, this thread is amazing. It's like reading a Patricia Highsmith novel in message board format: in which case Alicia's only proper course of action would be to kill Fernando, just to see if she could get away with it, and then start trying to frame another nurse she has a heavily sublimated crush on, just to see what that nurse will do.

The thing that sucks about the situation is how the rest of the ward is now involved, but that's only partially Fernando's fault: since you're both liked by the nurses, they're more than eager to play matchmaker. It's a horrible situation to be in because it can be riddled with motives not immediately apparent--like most teasing, there can be a slight undercurrent of hostility to it.

If you're not going with the "Wes Craven's next movie" approach outlined above, your choices are either to start acting nice, but very, very, very shy, to the guy (the nurses will love you even more!) and drag it out until you leave, start mentioning the boyfriend who finally got his visa and will finally be able to visit, or get the hell out of there quickly and professionally.

I suggest the last, just because it sounds like all anyone else will want to do is talk about the situation, rather than show you cool stuff.

[VictoriaWong]

I guess this is just my lack of social intelligence kicking in, but I don't understand why this episode is significantly affecting your relationship with the nurses. I mean, from the nurses point of view, shouldn't it be: He has a crush on you. You aren't interested. The End.
In what way do you expect the nurses to treat you differently after this?
Because, later, the nurses who weren't in the room when that one nurse asked me were asking me when I was planning to get married, and I think it'll get worse from there. Especially since there's already a contingent that supports him in his quest to find everlasting love (or whatever) and a group that just wants to keep a volunteer that will cheerfully work ten and a half hours. Basically, for the rest of the day, the nurses' reactions were generally: "Awww,... you should give him a chance!" "Awww,... why won't you give him a chance?" "He's such a nice guy, isn't he?" "Don't you feel bad he doesn't have a girlfriend?" and such reactions. I also expect that the nurses sympathetic to his plight will start assigning me to rooms in which he is teching, which would be bad for both him and me, and quite possibly the patient.
I don't think it counts as a closet if when you are outside of it you don't want to have sex with anyone. I mean, you could even be in the army, because even if they did ask, you can't tell.
Well, one could hide one's frigidity.

[Kyle Wilson]

The reactions of the nurses... would seem to indicate he really was serious; I mean, two asked me when I was thinking about getting married....

What modern culture do you know supports asking someone to marry you after knowing them for 15 minutes?

Bars. In America. It's a joke. Men ask up front and spend the rest of the evening negotiating down to just sex.

If your co-workers seem to take doofus' proposal seriously, it's because they're fucking with you. They think, apparently correctly, that you're so socially clueless that you actually believe it. If the guy was serious then they'd be telling you, "Did you know that Miguel just said asked if I thought you'd marry him? And he didn't even know your name? Isn't that hilarious?!" They'd be freaked out and/or amused. They wouldn't be taking him seriously themselves.

In other words, you should leave the ward, not because of the amorous attentions of Gomez the lovelorn mop-pusher, but because all of your co-workers are laughing at you behind your back.

[Kyle Wilson]

Well, one could hide one's frigidity.

Not very successfully, I suspect.

[VictoriaWong]

In other words, you should leave the ward, not because of the amorous attentions of Gomez the lovelorn mop-pusher, but because all of your co-workers are laughing at you behind your back.
It would make sense if I was a contemporary of the nurses. Most of the ones that were asking me afterwards were in their fifties- they're the kind that generally have no sense of humor. The ones that do, generally in their thirties, were the ones that took me aside and were like "Hey, don't throw yourself away on him, you can do better."
Not that it couldn't be a gigantic joke, but I'd prefer not to think that I work in a ward that does this sort of thing.
Also, I don't hide my frigidity. I said I was out of the closet...

[Matthew Gallant]

Well, one could hide one's frigidity.
From who? Are there old white dudes on TV saying that the last hurricane/terrorist attack was due to God being angry that our society is rife with celibacy? I may be watching the wrong channels.

[red guy]

I'd say, next time you're in a room with all the nurses, seek out that 37yo who was chosen to bring you the news, and stick a shiv in her side. That'll teach them to shut up.

After your time in this ward ends, try to remember that somewhere, some time, there was a guy who really liked you. Because in the end, it's a compliment.

[balut]

Because of this thread I now picture Alayna here as an even harder, more asocial version of Dr. Cristina Yang (Sandra Oh) from "Grey's Anatomy".

[Coca Cola Zero]

This thread is so very odd.

Your situation sounds like a silly joke that spawned a mini-meme within your office. I don't think it was some big concentrated effort to pull a large scale prank on you, and the older nurses may simply be caught up in the meme and not even recognize the initial joke, but given everything about the situation relayed so far it seems most likely the guy was kidding about the marrying and some co-workers won't let it die because they found it amusing or cute or whatever. Their prodding you on the issue may be because while they don't expect you to marry this guy they recognize your self-described ice queen nature and are prodding you in an awkward manner, the way people who know other women (who haven't been in a known relationship in quite some time) either professionally or social might ask them questions like "So, when are you going to get married and have kids?".

If you aren't interested in the guy, just let him know if he ever brings up the subject in your presence (in a work situation it is best to let him down somewhat easily, eg "I'm flattered, but I'm not looking to date right now" or given the situation "I'm flattered, but wouldn't consider dating someone I work with" fits nicely). Also, let anyone else who brings it up know as well. A simple "Sorry, Daniel isn't my type" and/or "I'm currently not looking to be in a new relationship" should do it, repeated as necessary.

[Hugin]

I don't think your problem is primarily with him, you barely interact with the guy as far as I can tell (or at least, your interactions seem to be mostly you ignoring him, even before you had any inkling he was interested).

I think your problem is with the nurses that won't mind their own business. Tell them to cool it with the "Aw, he's so nice" "give him a chance" stuff. If they have a matchmaking opinion you have the right to request they keep it to themselves and freeze them out if they won't shut up.

However, you can justify it to yourself by calling yourself a proud asexual misanthrope all you want, just the same way rude assholes call themselves proud "blunt, honest people who tell it like it is", but ultimately, transforming your own disinterest in another human being, (which is your right), into a public call for comments as to the precise shape the expression of the clear dripping contempt you have for him and his interest should take is despicable.

For whatever reason a human being with feelings is contemplating dashing themselves on the rocks of your dysfunctional social exterior, and you find it funny. Disinterest is one thing, even apprehensive disinterest, if he's acting oddly, everyone should have a comfortable working environment, and of course you should date or not as you see fit. But you've decided it's worthy of calculated cruelty. So, I sincerely hope he's not a violent stalker, and good luck with your education and all, but, you know, fuck you.

[VictoriaWong]

I think your problem is with the nurses that won't mind their own business. Tell them to cool it with the "Aw, he's so nice" "give him a chance" stuff. If they have a matchmaking opinion you have the right to request they keep it to themselves and freeze them out if they won't shut up.
However, you can justify it to yourself by calling yourself a proud asexual misanthrope all you want, just the same way rude assholes call themselves proud "blunt, honest people who tell it like it is", but ultimately, transforming your own disinterest in another human being, (which is your right), into a public call for comments as to the precise shape the expression of the clear dripping contempt you have for him and his interest should take is despicable.
For whatever reason a human being with feelings is contemplating dashing themselves on the rocks of your dysfunctional social exterior, and you find it funny. Disinterest is one thing, even apprehensive disinterest, if he's acting oddly, everyone should have a comfortable working environment, and of course you should date or not as you see fit. But you've decided it's worthy of calculated cruelty. So, I sincerely hope he's not a violent stalker, and good luck with your education and all, but, you know, fuck you.
Indeed, I don't like him, but the reactions of the nurses is what's making it problematic to work there. I knew exactly what I was going to do (FYI, just leave) but I thought that Qt3 would come forth with creative cruelty, whether directed to me or him. It has done so, in copious amounts.

[RepoMan]

Yeah, tell the fucking busybody nurses to butt out. You don't like anyone anyway and don't seem to care if anyone likes you, and you're out of there in a couple of weeks anyhow, so what's the fucking difference?

I can understand why you'd find it off-putting that someone who doesn't even know your name wants to marry you -- especially if you not only don't want to be married but don't want any kind of relationship whatsoever. It's weird (the misanthropy part, I mean), but it's certainly consistent.

Not sure why Bill and other Big Dick Boys are so threatened by it though. On second thought, maybe that's consistent too. One less receptive woman in the world lowers their chances just that much more, especially if she's also proficient in sarcasm and ruthless belittlement.

[AndrewM]

I obviously can't see the whole picture here, but it really sounds like the nurses are making fun of you and/or this other guy.

[Hugin]

Not sure why Bill and other Big Dick Boys are so threatened by it though. On second thought, maybe that's consistent too. One less receptive woman in the world lowers their chances just that much more, especially if she's also proficient in sarcasm and ruthless belittlement.

You know, maybe people aren't threatened, maybe they just think, sympathy for the awkward circumstances aside, she's being a jerk?

[Funkula]

I'm gonna be the first one to call it: Asexual is the new supertaster. Can someone do a new version of this
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/5384/stzp2.jpg
to commemorate this occasion?

Either that or we could file this one under "Humorless Lesbian." Less technically accurate, but it cuts down on the paperwork.

[VictoriaWong]

I obviously can't see the whole picture here, but it really sounds like the nurses are making fun of you and/or this other guy.
That's something I considered until I overheard the second conversation.
You know, maybe people aren't threatened, maybe they just think, sympathy for the awkward circumstances aside, she's being a jerk?
Well, yes, isn't that what the internet's for?
Speculative cruelty is funny. Cruelty in real life is not. I don't plan on being cruel to him in real life.
Unless disappearing suddenly is something you consider cruel.

[AndrewM]

That's something I considered until I overheard the second conversation.

That hardly precludes the possibility of the nurses making fun of you. It merely establishes that they are not inventing this interest from whole cloth. This is the sitcom-like scenario I'm envisioning:

1) Our perhaps-simpleton Romeo has some kind of crush on the Protagonist that he is bad at hiding.

2) Some nurses notice this, make fun of him for it, ask him if he wants to marry the Protagonist. Not really knowing how to handle the situation, he stammers out some kind of half response.

3) The nurses see a slightly aloof volunteer who is there mainly to "see what cancerous cells look like under several different kinds of stains" and who they may perceive to have somewhat of a superior attitude, and see a chance to have a little fun at her expense through a little exaggeration.

4) I guess I didn't really need a numbered list but that makes things look more impressive.

[VictoriaWong]

I obviously can't see the whole picture here, but it really sounds like the nurses are making fun of you and/or this other guy.
That's something I considered until I overheard the second conversation.
You know, maybe people aren't threatened, maybe they just think, sympathy for the awkward circumstances aside, she's being a jerk?
Well, yes, isn't that what the internet's for? Edit: Unless you're TomChick?
Speculative cruelty is funny. Cruelty in real life is not. I don't plan on being cruel to him in real life.
Unless disappearing suddenly is something you consider cruel.

[RSofaer]

This thread is useless without pics.

[DoomMunky]

Actually this thread is just plain useless.

I love that it's gone about as well as all the other relationship threads.

[AaronSofaer]

Actually this thread is just plain useless.

I love that it's gone about as well as all the other relationship threads.


No way, man. The First Date Smooching thread was way better.

[Kalle]

I love that this is a relationship thread about a second-hand rumour that someone is interested in having a relationship and what the appropriate response to end this relationship should be. Cause clearly it's a life-changing decision.

[DoomMunky]

No way, man. The First Date Smooching thread was way better.
Let me rephrase: I love that things have gone as well for the OP as in the other relationship threads.

[Bill Dungsroman]

I wonder how many female posters would be white-knighting in this thread if the OP was male. I'm going with zero. And man, if you think the reaction wouldn't be ten times worse if one of our resident male noobs started a thread asking for ways to be mean to this chick that was totally into him, you're fucking crazy. Let's talk about who's really interjecting themselves into the situation.


Not sure why Bill and other Big Dick Boys are so threatened by it though. On second thought, maybe that's consistent too. One less receptive woman in the world lowers their chances just that much more, especially if she's also proficient in sarcasm and ruthless belittlement.

We all can't jerk off in a padlocked room while our wife plays with the baby in the kitchen, Honcho. Cut us some slack maybe?

[Hanzii]

The only thibg I want to know by now is:

What would Extarbags do?

[jerri blank]

Either that or we could file this one under "Humorless Lesbian." Less technically accurate, but it cuts down on the paperwork.

Speaking as the keeper of the "Humorless Lesbian" file: no.

[bigdruid]

And man, if you think the reaction wouldn't be ten times worse if one of our resident male noobs started a thread asking for ways to be mean to this chick that was totally into him, you're fucking crazy.
I didn't actually think her poll options were particularly mean-spirited, to be honest. They seemed pretty tame.

This wasn't "How can I humiliate this poor guy who has a crush on me", but rather "This weird guy is making noises to my coworkers about how hot I am, and he didn't even bother to learn my name - isn't that weird?"

I'm bemused by all the negative motives people are projecting on our good friend Alicia - this thread is more like a Rorschach test than an actual discussion.

[awdougherty]

So Vicky, babe, there's a buzz goin' round the intarwebz that you're single. PM me the digits.

[Bill Dungsroman]

I didn't actually think her poll options were particularly mean-spirited, to be honest. They seemed pretty tame.

The poll options, sure. Her follow-up posts where she derides the guy for his age, job, presumed ambitions, and of course where she says she was hoping for cruelty in this thread, towards both herself and maybe for this guy, it's that stuff I find sucky. That aforementioned motivation alone is so broken I don't even know where to begin.


This wasn't "How can I humiliate this poor guy who has a crush on me",

Yes it is. That is precisely part of what she says she was hoping for from us. No, she had no plans to ever do anything we suggested, she just wanted...I dunno, hypothetical reverse-misogyny, I guess.


but rather "This weird guy is making noises to my coworkers about how hot I am, and he didn't even bother to learn my name - isn't that weird?"

The guy barely speaks English, and may not read it very well either. This possibility just does not seem to be up for debate for some people, for whatever reason.


I'm bemused by all the negative motives people are projecting on our good friend Alicia - this thread is more like a Rorschach test than an actual discussion.

Not really. Like I said, if a male poster started a thread asking for hypothetical ways for him to be a douchebag to some poor girl that liked him, the feedback would be ten times worse. The irony is the fact that the people calling gender bias are the ones who are actually guilty of it. This thread has someone trying making fun of somebody else on extremely weak grounds, and they're being called on it. Nobody has to start counting penises and vaginas to make sense of it.

Speaking of bemusement, I'm bemused by the fact that anyone thinks I am identifying with a Mexican janitor with a crush on a robot and that my reaction in this thread is a reflection of it. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

[jerri blank]

I'm bemused that you've fallen on the tired tactic of calling Victoria a lesbian. I'm willing to take her at her word that she doesn't like anyone.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Point taken, jerri.

[Bahimiron]

I think the ad at the top of this page says it all.

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CN7snJz_qvCxgAEQ2AUYWjIIqbcFZRueE_8

[jerri blank]

I think the ad at the top of this page says it all.

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=CN7snJz_qvCxgAEQ2AUYWjIIqbcFZRueE_8

With all this lesbian content, I keep hoping to see a context-driven banner ad for Home Depot, the Subaru Outback or the Humane Society.

[AndrewM]

I dunno, hypothetical reverse-misogyny, I guess.

The male equivalent of misogyny is misandry.

Speaking of bemusement, I'm bemused by the fact that anyone thinks I am identifying with a Mexican janitor with a crush on a robot and that my reaction in this thread is a reflection of it. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Who among us has not once craved the gentle metallic touch of a robot?

[Kalle]

I'm bemused that you've fallen on the tired tactic of calling Victoria a lesbian. I'm willing to take her at her word that she doesn't like anyone.

Maybe Alicia stating that she was out of the closet had something to do with the general impression that she prefers women, I don't know, but I'm willing to give Bill the benefit of the doubt here.

[Athryn]

The irony is the fact that the people calling gender bias are the ones who are actually guilty of it.

I merely agree with Angie that it seems like a lot of the respondents are putting themselves in the place of that person. That observation was independent of whatever Victoria said.


Like I said, if a male poster started a thread asking for hypothetical ways for him to be a douchebag to some poor girl that liked him, the feedback would be ten times worse.

Somehow, I kinda doubt it.

[BobJustBob]

I merely agree with Angie that it seems like a lot of the respondents are putting themselves in the place of that person. That observation was independent of whatever Victoria said.

I think I can safely say that no one in this thread wants to marry Victoria.

[Hugin]

I merely agree with Angie that it seems like a lot of the respondents are putting themselves in the place of that person. That observation was independent of whatever Victoria said.

When you ask people for relationship advice (which this broadly is, even if it's technically "satirical shutting down a non-relationship rumor mill and unwanted matchmaking" advice) it's pretty inevitable they'll put themselves in the place of someone in the story, relationship advice is primarily drawn from our own experiences. Someone's got to empathize with someone, and it's relatively hard, beyond a practical wish that this doesn't get weird and ugly and dangerous, which no one deserves, to empathize with her side of it.

[Bill Dungsroman]

I merely agree with Angie that it seems like a lot of the respondents are putting themselves in the place of that person. That observation was independent of whatever Victoria said.

Well then, why don't we address that point for a second. Why exactly is empathy such a terrible thing in this case? I'd like to mention a case could easily be made for the female posters defending this thread by proxy for doing the same, for Victoria.




Somehow, I kinda doubt it.

Seriously, do you ever read this site? That statement indicates you have no knowledge or recollection of all the ridicule people have routinely taken for their idiotic posting actions here. Does Rogen ring a bell?

Are you seriously implying that if a male poster started a thread where he said this weird foreign girl was totally in love with him but he thought she was grody, and he wanted some hypothetical suggestions on how he could best debase and humiliate her, we'd just laugh along because we were all born with dicks? Come on, Athryn.

[Tankero]

Somehow, his confusion on Victoria's name seems poetically fitting now...

Alice, it's time to go down the rabbit hole, leave the gender-ambivalence of childhood behind, and join the dual freakdom of the human race.

[noun]

I will never understand why people continue to post dating threads on Qt3. Seriously, what's the signal to noise ratio in those things? It always ends up being a sad reflection on the original poster or a nonstop barrage of comedy mixed with emo. I'm betting Victoria already knew this before she posted and was counting on the comedy.

Anyway, it sounds like your real problem is your fellow female nurses. Sounds like they all need to be told to stay the hell out of your dating life. You don't find their willingness to "help" your suitors in any way useful, and they should mind their own goddamn business.

[Bahimiron]

Shoot spitballs at everyone. Then loose your dogs on them.

[Kyle Wilson]

I think I can safely say that no one in this thread wants to marry Victoria.

I would. She reminds me of my Roomba. And that relationship has always been a positive one based on care, cleaning, and respect for one another's boundaries (i.e., furniture, stairs).

[Bill Dungsroman]

Anyway, it sounds like your real problem is your fellow female nurses. Sounds like they all need to be told to stay the hell out of your dating life. You don't find their willingness to "help" your suitors in any way useful, and they should mind their own goddamn business.

I agree. It seems to me they're having fun at her expense.

[VictoriaWong]

The poll options, sure. Her follow-up posts where she derides the guy for his age, job, presumed ambitions, and of course where she says she was hoping for cruelty in this thread, towards both herself and maybe for this guy, it's that stuff I find sucky. That aforementioned motivation alone is so broken I don't even know where to begin.

Look. If I were thirty, I wouldn't be deriding him as much for his age. If he were obviously looking to improve himself, I wouldn't be deriding him for his job as much as I am, but it doesn't seem like he's going to community college or anything like that. I haven't checked extensively, obviously, but....
And look. I said earlier that while speculative cruelty is funny, I wasn't going to actually carry any of it out, since real life cruelty is just terrible.

Yes it is. That is precisely part of what she says she was hoping for from us. No, she had no plans to ever do anything we suggested, she just wanted...I dunno, hypothetical reverse-misogyny, I guess.
The guy barely speaks English, and may not read it very well either. This possibility just does not seem to be up for debate for some people, for whatever reason.

I was just curious about what other people would do, for reasons ranging from cultural normalization (obviously, just say no, and continue on with life) to hilarity (shoot spitballs).
His English is not bad: the only reason I mention his accent is because I needed to make it clear how it was that I was able to unequivocally identify his voice, despite the fact that I have had limited contact with him. I do not know the quality of his reading skills. Neither of these should have presented barriers to the understanding that I did not want to associate with him, since that was presented mostly with silence, not elaborate insults.

Not really. Like I said, if a male poster started a thread asking for hypothetical ways for him to be a douchebag to some poor girl that liked him, the feedback would be ten times worse. The irony is the fact that the people calling gender bias are the ones who are actually guilty of it. This thread has someone trying making fun of somebody else on extremely weak grounds, and they're being called on it. Nobody has to start counting penises and vaginas to make sense of it.

You're probably right.

Speaking of bemusement, I'm bemused by the fact that anyone thinks I am identifying with a Mexican janitor with a crush on a robot and that my reaction in this thread is a reflection of it. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Most normal people, when faced with a crush, as far as I know, either don't do anything about it, ask someone on a date, or ask a go-between to set them up. I don't think that asking someone to ask if you can marry them is a normal reaction. His English is not bad enough for him to confuse marriage and a date.
I'm bemused that you've fallen on the tired tactic of calling Victoria a lesbian. I'm willing to take her at her word that she doesn't like anyone.
I don't like anyone.
Somehow, his confusion on Victoria's name seems poetically fitting now...
Alice, it's time to go down the rabbit hole, leave the gender-ambivalence of childhood behind, and join the dual freakdom of the human race.
Bah.
Well then, why don't we address that point for a second. Why exactly is empathy such a terrible thing in this case? I'd like to mention a case could easily be made for the female posters defending this thread by proxy for doing the same, for Victoria.

Look, I can understand you guys empathizing with the guy, and I can understand you guys condemning me, and I can understand people empathizing with me. I don't believe I have ever condemned anyone for empathizing with him. In fact, many of my posts and most of the private messages I have sent regarding this post address the fact that I am more annoyed with A. the fact that he brought it up with apparently all the nurses and B. the fact that the nurses think it is funny/adorable and will probably never leave it alone.
[/quote]

Are you seriously implying that if a male poster started a thread where he said this weird foreign girl was totally in love with him but he thought she was grody, and he wanted some hypothetical suggestions on how he could best debase and humiliate her, we'd just laugh along because we were all born with dicks? Come on, Athryn.
Look, I'd be equally creeped out if he were Caucasian, Asian, African, or a hermaphrodite assassin from Mars (well, maybe less creeped out with the latter: I can't exclude the idea that this is a cultural norm for hermaphrodites from Mars). I'd be equally creeped out if it were a nurse, a doctor, a patient, or a janitor. The thing that probably creeps me out most is the fact that I've only worked directly with him for fifteen minutes, and he thinks it's okay to ask both staves of nurses about this predicament. Not asking? Fine, it's just poor decision-making. One nurse? Fine. Two nurses? Good idea. Three nurses? Understandable. 20 nurses? Understandable in a paranoid sort of way if that wasn't the entire ward staff besides the doctors. And I was honestly expecting to see more "spitballs and dogs" or "steal his organs!" posts than "Oh, that's a terrible thing to do to somebody" posts.
I will never understand why people continue to post dating threads on Qt3. I'm betting Victoria already knew this before she posted and was counting on the comedy.
Anyway, it sounds like your real problem is your fellow female nurses. Sounds like they all need to be told to stay the hell out of your dating life. You don't find their willingness to "help" your suitors in any way useful, and they should mind their own goddamn business.
I was counting on the comedy, yes.

[Sarkus]

Here's the thing about this whole situation. You're going to run into to it in the future, when you are out of school, unless you are studying for a hermit job. That's just the way it is when you have a bunch of people working together.

So, maybe trying to find a solution other than just leaving might be a good experience. Next time you probably won't have the option to just leave.

[Dean]

Say, Alexis, you don't happen to be of Korean descent, do you?

Because there was this whole other thread about crazy Korean chicks and how to treat them. I learned a lot there.

Guapo? Little help over here?

[jerri blank]

I don't think that asking someone to ask if you can marry them is a normal reaction. His English is not bad enough for him to confuse marriage and a date.

Do you really think he was proposing marriage? Haven't you ever heard someone jokingly say to/about someone they have a crush on, "I would totally marry that guy," or "Marry me!"? I wasn't there, so I don't know, but it seems like you're taking that part too seriously.

[VictoriaWong]

Do you really think he was proposing marriage? Haven't you ever heard someone jokingly say to/about someone they have a crush on, "I would totally marry that guy," or "Marry me!"? I wasn't there, so I don't know, but it seems like you're taking that part too seriously.
Nurses took it seriously, and I have to work with the nurses, so that's the major problem; my actual reaction to him will actually be low-key on my part, but I was curious for the sake of internet hilarity.

And Sarkus, I normally react to normal requests for dates and such with "Sorry, I'm busy, maybe some other time." but this seemed a little unusual.

[nutsak]

Nurses took it seriously? Do you work in an asylum where the patients and staff are one and the same because you'd have to be fucking crazy to take that seriously.

[tiohn]

Will the nurses turn into zombies or republicans if the two of you don't get married?

[Bill Dungsroman]

Look. If I were thirty, I wouldn't be deriding him as much for his age. If he were obviously looking to improve himself, I wouldn't be deriding him for his job as much as I am, but it doesn't seem like he's going to community college or anything like that. I haven't checked extensively, obviously, but....

And all of that is very fair and honest, really. Nobody has to date a gutter bum to prove a point about being unfettered with preconceived notions from judging a book by its cover and all that. The point really isn't that you don't want to date him. It's really ok that you don't.


And look. I said earlier that while speculative cruelty is funny,

Yeah but...that's just it. I mean I guess I can't really speak for other people, but I just don't find the humor in entertaining cruel scenarios for this situation.


I wasn't going to actually carry any of it out, since real life cruelty is just terrible.

And of course hypothetical cruelty really isn't, I'm certainly not in the camp that thinks it is. However, some matters of subject just really aren't all that, you know, fun to kick around in your head. Hey guys, what's a great way to crush this guy's spirit? is pretty much on even par with Hey guys, what's the best way to get a girl to sleep with you and then dump her? Would you like to participate in that exercise? Who knows, maybe you would. But then...you don't really like people anyway.


I was just curious about what other people would do, for reasons ranging from cultural normalization (obviously, just say no, and continue on with life) to hilarity (shoot spitballs).

Well that's the great thing about internet forums. You don't always get you want, but sometimes...


His English is not bad: the only reason I mention his accent is because I needed to make it clear how it was that I was able to unequivocally identify his voice, despite the fact that I have had limited contact with him. I do not know the quality of his reading skills. Neither of these should have presented barriers to the understanding that I did not want to associate with him, since that was presented mostly with silence, not elaborate insults.

Fair enough. You've adequately proven your indifference to the man, it's ok. You are certainly entitled to not like whoever you choose.


Most normal people,

Oooooooh I love it when somebody starts a sentence or thought with this.


when faced with a crush, as far as I know, either don't do anything about it, ask someone on a date, or ask a go-between to set them up. I don't think that asking someone to ask if you can marry them is a normal reaction. His English is not bad enough for him to confuse marriage and a date.

Most normal people I know say and do all kinds of wacky things when they like someone. This? Not even ranking among the weirdest I've ever read about, heard of, or experiences firsthand, I can tell you.


I don't like anyone.

Bah.

Look, I can understand you guys empathizing with the guy, and I can understand you guys condemning me, and I can understand people empathizing with me. I don't believe I have ever condemned anyone for empathizing with him. In fact, many of my posts and most of the private messages I have sent regarding this post address the fact that I am more annoyed with A. the fact that he brought it up with apparently all the nurses and B. the fact that the nurses think it is funny/adorable and will probably never leave it alone.


As mentioned, you really need to think some about B.


Look, I'd be equally creeped out if he were Caucasian, Asian, African, or a hermaphrodite assassin from Mars (well, maybe less creeped out with the latter: I can't exclude the idea that this is a cultural norm for hermaphrodites from Mars). I'd be equally creeped out if it were a nurse, a doctor, a patient, or a janitor. The thing that probably creeps me out most is the fact that I've only worked directly with him for fifteen minutes, and he thinks it's okay to ask both staves of nurses about this predicament. Not asking? Fine, it's just poor decision-making. One nurse? Fine. Two nurses? Good idea. Three nurses? Understandable. 20 nurses? Understandable in a paranoid sort of way if that wasn't the entire ward staff besides the doctors.

Are you sure it was him going to each and every nurse in turn? Like, really, gossip had nothing to do with it? You know how facts get warped through the gossip chain.


And I was honestly expecting to see more "spitballs and dogs" or "steal his organs!" posts than "Oh, that's a terrible thing to do to somebody" posts.

Well of course you were.

[Kareem]

I'm pretty appalled at you guys being so mean in your responses.

Is it unacceptable now to be mean, on the Internet no less, to someone who self-admittedly hates all of us by definition?

[Athryn]

Is it unacceptable now to be mean, on the Internet no less, to someone who self-admittedly hates all of us by definition?

I don't think hate is the proper term here. Just because someone isn't interested sexually in other people doesn't automatically mean they hate them. They're just indifferent.

[Gourmand]

I don't think hate is the proper term here. Just because someone isn't interested sexually in other people doesn't automatically mean they hate them. They're just indifferent.

"Misanthropy is a hatred or distrust of the human race, or a disposition to dislike and mistrust other people. The word comes from the Greek words μίσος ("hatred") and άνθρωπος ("man, human being"). A misanthrope is a person who hates or distrusts humanity as a general rule."

[Ed Solomon]

I don't think hate is the proper term here. Just because someone isn't interested sexually in other people doesn't automatically mean they hate them. They're just indifferent.

Misanthropy is a general dislike, distrust, or hatred of the human species.... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy)

Edit: Damn you oinnkfs, beaten by two lousy minutes.

[VictoriaWong]

Nurses took it seriously? Do you work in an asylum where the patients and staff are one and the same because you'd have to be fucking crazy to take that seriously.
Apparently he's a serious sort of guy, so they're taking it seriously, and I've got to work with them, so it's problematic. Honestly, avoiding him is less of an issue than dealing with "But why won't you give him a chance?" for 35 hours, or more.

Yeah but...that's just it. I mean I guess I can't really speak for other people, but I just don't find the humor in entertaining cruel scenarios for this situation.

So you're not misanthropic. Fair enough.

And of course hypothetical cruelty really isn't, I'm certainly not in the camp that thinks it is. However, some matters of subject just really aren't all that, you know, fun to kick around in your head. Hey guys, what's a great way to crush this guy's spirit? is pretty much on even par with Hey guys, what's the best way to get a girl to sleep with you and then dump her? Would you like to participate in that exercise? Who knows, maybe you would. But then...you don't really like people anyway.

No one (at least here) would be tempted to try any suggestions to crush someone's spirit, while someone might actually try a pickup line. "Hey internet trolls, how would you hypothetically troll this guy if there were no consequences" is far different from your second idea.

Normal people I know say and do all kinds of wacky things when they like someone. This? Not even ranking among the weirdest I've ever read about, heard of, or experiences firsthand, I can tell you.

Some of the stranger have been posted in this forum.

Are you sure it was him going to each and every nurse in turn? Like, really, gossip had nothing to do with it? You know how facts get warped through the gossip chain.

Given what I'd overheard, it sounded like it, but your theory is possible.
[/quote]

I don't think hate is the proper term here. Just because someone isn't interested sexually in other people doesn't automatically mean they hate them. They're just indifferent.
Hate is the proper term, as I am misanthropic. There are few people I am anything less than indifferent to.
"Misanthropy is a hatred or distrust of the human race, or a disposition to dislike and mistrust other people. The word comes from the Greek words μίσος ("hatred") and άνθρωπος ("man, human being"). A misanthrope is a person who hates or distrusts humanity as a general rule."
Yeah, that.

[fire]

OK, I've changed my mind a bit. At first it seemed like you were looking for honest advice on how to handle a delicate situation, and were encouraging joke comments (which is ok, though socially a weird thing to do -- like "please tell me jokes having only to do with hamsters on the count of three"), but I have come to realize you knew exactly what to do all along. And now it plays out like this: the nurses make fun of you behind your back, so you think it's OK to make fun of the dude that likes you behind his. Real mature there.

[VictoriaWong]

Having gotten the honest advice, which aligns with what I was originally going to do, I am now encouraging more joke comments, because I am irritated at the dude, who apparently likes me. I am irritated for two reasons; firstly, because of his public expression of interest in an extremely awkward manner, and because said nurses are treating me as if it were serious. If it A. had not been expressed, or B. the nurses had not taken it seriously, I would not now be soliciting joke comments on this (or any) board.
Also, there's a difference, I think, between poking fun at a preposterous situation and its originator on an online forum I doubt he or anyone else he knows will see, and actually humiliating him, which will not happen.

[Mordrak]

Wow. I'm gone for a most of a day and see what I miss. Hehe.

Victoria, there's no reason to treat the thread like an exam. We don't need a point by point rationalization. Just listen to (or read) the well meaning advice (or criticism), actually reflect on it, and say "Thanks."

It's as simple as that.

[VictoriaWong]

Wow. I'm gone for a most of a day and see what I miss. Hehe.

Victoria, there's no reason to treat the thread like an exam. We don't need a point by point rationalization. Just listen (or read) the well meaning advice, actually reflect on it, and say "Thanks."

It's as simple as that.
Have read, have reflected, multiple people have received PMs about it.
When the thread slows down I will post a more comprehensive thanks.

[DoomMunky]

Victorilexis; You should know by now that asking for funny things to happen is the surest way to get UNfunny things to happen.

Let me reiterate. The surest way for something funny to happen in this thread is for you to not post in it for a while.

If you really wanted something funny to happen here, I would think you would lay off the point by point responses to the anger directed at your obvious and insincere efforts to seem cynically cool. But you never really did just want funny things to happen in this thread, did you?

[Brendan]

This thread is confusing me. Is this like Rollary's thread gone slightly askew, unfunny and serious?

[Robert Sharp]

I still don't understand how anyone could take a comment like "I'd like to marry X" seriously, especially when the first response is "Well, her name is Y". I just can't imagine anyone actually taking that seriously. So I can only assume they think he just meant "I'd like to marry her someday, but first I'd just like to see if she'll go out with me." Now that's probably how the other nurses see it. There's no way they're taking the marriage thing seriously at all.

So they start to encourage you to go out with the guy, not because they particularly care about either of you, but because they like the drama. Office romances are better for the people NOT involved in many ways. People also like to think of themselves as matchmakers, as though introducing people or encouraging them to date means that you can take credit for any successful relationship that results. Because we all know that saying yes to a date is the only really essential part of a solid relationship.

Anyway, this will fade VERY quickly as soon as you tell a couple of people that you just aren't interested in the guy. The annoyance seems overblown a bit here.

[AndrewM]

Yes, plus it isn't clear that he actually said that he wanted to marry her. I still believe in my 'teasing two birds with one stone' scenario.

[shift6]

... especially when your immediate reaction to some bored nurse's mischievous joke is to bring out Quicken.
I don't know about you guys, but that part made me hot.

In my culture it is normal to PM fire and see if AliciaAlexisVictoria wants to marry me. I promise that I am not a Mexican janitor (although I watch Telemundo sometimes).

[VictoriaWong]

I'd like to thank the following people for their honest advice:
Sarkus
Bill Dungsroman
fire
yurislave
SergioBAM
Angie Gallant
DrCrypt
Orinoco
Equis
Tim
Bahimiron
AndrewM
Kalle
Coca Cola Zero
Hugin
RepoMan
bigdruid
noun
Robert Sharp

And I'd like to thank just about everyone else on this thread for offering the joke comments on this thread that I was hoping for.

[ElGuapo]

Pics plz kthnks.

[MikeSofaer]

I think she already posted a cleavage shot on here once.

[Aeon221]

Victoria, will you marry me?

http://www.elanamika.com/custom/The%20One%20Ring/g%20one%20ring%201d.jpg

For our honeymoon, I propose the dumpster behind a nearby Golden Corral.

And, in case you were worried about what would happen in bed, I got this tattooed on my penis:

http://worryfreecredit.com/images/credit_help_guarantee.jpg

I couldn't take a picture of me, but I was able to draw one, so here you go!

http://www.geocities.com/reaper_dont_fear/lol.jpg

I'm naked because, like you, I disdain all of society and it's silly conventions. Screw those guys! Who put them all in charge of me anyway am I right? Ha-ha yes I am! Note the gold ring I am holding I could not draw the strange words on the side but who cares about that not me. Also I have a big pee-pee or so my mommy told me when I was five ha-ha yes indeed. I was going to draw a closeup on it but I did not want people to get in trouble at work and then fill this thread with their whining when it should be all about our love ha-ha yes!

This is a picture of me at work, note the sexy clothes:

http://www.geocities.com/reaper_dont_fear/lol2.jpg

I am so gangsta! Well not really but I approve of the black subculture and by that I mean I approve of black people and I have a black friend okay not really but I'm not racist. And I am upwardly mobile and by that I mean I use a ladder to get to the upper story windows while I am cleaning so I am exactly what you are looking for in a man plus I have an enormous penis which I drew in the above picture (send me a PM and I will draw you a private close up promise)!

Also I like to eat pizza and talk about complicated important stuff like whether or not I will go out tonight no I promise I will go out tonight it will be good no maybe I will just watch tv okay that is safe yes I will do that instead okay.

Well that about sums things up so please be sure to check the following if you will marry me and hopefully the forum will help pressure you into saying yes even if you do not really want to but who are we kidding you know you want to:

Yes [X]
No [ ]
Maybe [ ]

I filled it out for you hope that is okay okay bye later see you at the wedding next wednesday in IRC, Unicorn McGriddle officiating in Stalingrad.

[Aeon221]

Now that you've all had time to read that, was it appropriate and would you condone a similar method of finding out whether or not someone would marry/date you, or would you find it juvenile, inappropriate, and downright absurd?

Sure, the dude didn't draw awesome, totally true to life pictures of himself, but he's also a thirty something year old man telling lots of other people that he wants to marry a girl ten years younger than himself whose name he is totally unaware of. Where I come from, we call that fucking creepy and we damn sure tell people about it because it is fucking creepy and you share fucking creepy events with your family and friends and random strangers, just like you would share any other weird and important news you might have. Like being attacked by a dog or getting a new computer or having sex with a girl you just met in the library in the back seat of your pickup truck and then going to the doctor the next day to get an STD check because I don't care what she said there is no way a virgin can pull off moves like that on her first time! Ahem.

The morale of the story is that MSPaint is fun for drawing penises. Thank you and happy 4-20.

[VictoriaWong]

In response to repeated requests for pix:
Cleavage here:
http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1214898&postcount=30
Ass here:
http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1317655&postcount=73
Face:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bookres.fcgi/mboc4/ch10f34.jpg

Edit:
Sorry, RSofaer, the weather here's not cold enough for boobies (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Blue-footed-boobies.jpg/800px-Blue-footed-boobies.jpg).

[Sol Invictus]

In response to repeated requests for pix:
Cleavage here:
http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1214898&postcount=30
Ass here:
http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1317655&postcount=73
Face:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bookres.fcgi/mboc4/ch10f34.jpg

You have got to be kidding me.

[Bill Dungsroman]

You have got to be kidding me.

Hahaha what did you think Sol? She was actually posting pics of her breasts and buttocks?

[Sol Invictus]

Obviously not. But those are just silly. What's she hiding anyway?

[Bill Dungsroman]

Obviously not. But those are just silly. What's she hiding anyway?

I dunno Sol but I think we'd better hop in the Mystery Machine and get to the bottom of this. Come on Scoob!

[DennyA]

In response to repeated requests for pix:
Cleavage here:
http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1214898&postcount=30
Ass here:
http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1317655&postcount=73
Face:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bookres.fcgi/mboc4/ch10f34.jpg
For a misanthrope, she has a good grasp on the order people check out features in.

[Nellie]

Finally this series starts to deliver.

I was like "Is this really from the same people that brought us 'Firstdate smoochin'?"

I'm still not convinced but I'm prepared to stick it out for a couple more.

On the amount of serious thought I can direct towards the actual thread I'm going to break with the brotherhood and agree with aeon, I can't get past the creepy enough to have any other thoughts on the matter except that it sounds like such an absurd situation that are you sure they aren't just yanking your chain about this guy?

[Raife]

I'd like to thank the following people for their honest advice:
Sarkus
Bill Dungsroman
fire
yurislave
SergioBAM
Angie Gallant
DrCrypt
Orinoco
Equis
Tim
Bahimiron
AndrewM
Kalle
Coca Cola Zero
Hugin
RepoMan
bigdruid
noun
Robert Sharp

Wait, how did I not get thanked? I mean, sure, I was thanked earlier (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1317368&postcount=7), but if you're going to thank a whole list of people for their sage advice, I'm pretty sure that mine was the most sage. I mean, it referenced ancient Greece, and those guys were like sage royalty.

You know what, forget it. This wedding is off, Alicia.

[tiohn]

Is the first Qt3 thread to have its own awards ceremony?

[Bahimiron]

Obviously not. But those are just silly. What's she hiding anyway?

Life must be a ceaseless series of disappointments for you.

[balut]

Alexis, you are such a Hopkins student.

[Aeon221]

I dunno Sol but I think we'd better hop in the Mystery Machine and get to the bottom of this. Come on Scoob!

Scooby Doo and the Mystery of the Hidden Boobies.

[Balasarius]

Wait - Victoria isn't Ronger Wong's wife??!

[nutsak]

No. Roger's too busy in The Andromeda Strain to have a wife.

[Kalle]

Roger is way too awesome to be associated with Alicia.

[jerri blank]

Scooby Doo and the Mystery of the Hidden Boobies.

We would have found them if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.

[nutsak]

That's because Roger can win a game of Connect Four in only three moves, Kalle

[Kalle]

Roger doesn't do pushups. He pushes the earth down.

[nutsak]

I heard that there are two types of people in the world... people that suck, and Roger.

[balut]

Roger can drink an entire gallon of milk in 37 seconds.

[ElGuapo]

I'm getting my new people confused. Is VictoriaWong the humorless lesbian? Doesn't seem like it. She's pretty humorful. Who is the humorless lesbian?

[ElGuapo]

Roger can drink an entire gallon of milk in 37 seconds.

No one can do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!oneone!!!!!

[Aeon221]

I heard Roger's tears cure cancer, but it won't save you from his wrath.

[nutsak]

I'm getting my new people confused. Is VictoriaWong the humorless lesbian? Doesn't seem like it. She's pretty humorful. Who is the humorless lesbian?

Rosie Odonnell

[jerri blank]

I'm getting my new people confused. Is VictoriaWong the humorless lesbian? Doesn't seem like it. She's pretty humorful. Who is the humorless lesbian?

I'm the humorless lesbian. Victoralicia is the humorless misanthrope.

I know - it's very confusing.

[balut]

There is no such thing as a lesbian - just a woman who has never met Roger Wong.

[nutsak]

^^^ HAHAHHA


OK so now we've got that out of the way, did we all know that Roger can make a paraplegic run for his life?

[Dean]

I didn't get thanked either, and I thought Amanda was looking for joke replies, so I helped her out.

But it turns out she was joking about that, I guess. So she's not a humorless lesbian or a crazy Korean chick. In fact, if the crazy Korean chick was a stalker type, then Adriana is the anti-crazy Korean chick, because she will totally not stalk you, ever.

I'd offer to marry you, Amandala, but my wife might object.

[Bill Dungsroman]

There is no such thing as a lesbian - just a woman who has never met Roger Wong.

Awesomesauce.

[AaronSofaer]

I'm the humorless lesbian. Victoralicia is the humorless misanthrope.

I know - it's very confusing.


Actually, she's quite funny. Or possibly punny. The two are sometimes hard to distinguish.

She is, however, a total misanthrope.

[Siren]

Roger Wong can touch MC Hammer.

[Kraaze]

There is no 'ctrl' button on Roger Wong's keyboard. Roger Wong is always in control.

[André Costa]

Roger Wong makes onions cry.

[Tankero]

Wait... if Victoria is a misanthrope, why is she a member of our society? Are we just figments of her imagination, spun to keep her company while she hates all the real human beings of the world?

Or are we just a band of scalliwags that've managed to warm her double-tumbler-locked heart?

[Johan O]

...
Hate is the proper term, as I am misanthropic. There are few people I am anything less than indifferent to.
...
So why do you solicit their advice? And engage them in conversation?

Edit: I guess Tankero beat me to the punch.

[Aeon221]

Wait... if Victoria is a misanthrope, why is she a member of our society? Are we just figments of her imagination, spun to keep her company while she hates all the real human beings of the world?


That's not a misanthrope, that's a philosophy major.

[Kyle Wilson]

That's not a misanthrope, that's a philosophy major.

Well, there's a distinction without a difference.

[Siren]

Roger Wong has counted to infinity. Twice.

[Kareem]

Roger Wong doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.

[Kalle]

Roger Wong ordered a Big Mac at Burger King. And got one.

[Kraaze]

Roger Wong once visited the Virgin Islands. Afterwards they had to change their name to just "The Islands."

[tromik]

http://www.rogerw.com/animal/rogertree.jpg
*Sigh*

He looks good as a mock-Stormtrooper, too.

[Kraaze]

Roger Wong doesn't cheat death. He wins fair and square.

P.S. This is way more fun than killing a thread with dinosaur pics.

[red guy]

Roger Wong drinks the blood of vampires.

[Greedo]

Superman wears Roger Wong underwear.

[Aeon221]

http://www.geocities.com/reaper_dont_fear/lol3.jpg

[Athryn]

I heard Roger's tears cure cancer, but it won't save you from his wrath.

I too have heard that his tears cure cancer, but Roger Wong never cries.

[Stroker Ace]

There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Tim Tebow lives in Florida.

http://www.timtebowfacts.com/images/supertebowcopyfs7.jpg

[Pogue Mahone]

That's not a misanthrope, that's a philosophy major.

That's a great word, misanthrope. Puts me in mind of someone who waits for a full moon to turn into something horrible but fails. Which reminds me of a Mitch Hedberg joke, 'One time I tried to walk into a Target, but I missed.'

[RepoMan]

Roger Wong is... what? What the fuck happened here? Did we all get so tired of misanthropy that our pent-up innate love for humanity just happened to burst outwards and spooge over someone random whose name is evidently Roger Wong?

I would go back and find out but I lack the nerve.

P.S. BillD: The door gets locked ONLY AFTER EVERYONE IS ASLEEP. What kind of sick fuck are you? Scratch that question, actually, we all know already. (And if you ever have young kids, I look forward to your solution to the dilemma.)

[Unicorn McGriddle]

How the fuck can you not know who Roger Wong is?

[RepoMan]

I know exactly who Roger Wong is. What I don't know is why the love landed on him and not someone else. That's the "random" part.

Edit: Oh for fuck's sake. Perhaps because THEY HAVE THE SAME SURNAME? That still doesn't explain the "Roger = Chuck Norris" posting outbreak though.

Sorry, I have food poisoning today, I'm seriously brain-challenged. (And note, datter, I did NOT MAKE AN EE THREAD ABOUT IT.)

[Kraaze]

The popular videogame "Doom" is based loosely around the time Satan borrowed two bucks from RepoMan and forgot to pay him back.

[Kalle]

Repo, I'd like to see it like this thread was just the catalyst that made us express the Roger Wong love we all have inside us.

[André Costa]

Roger Wong once ate a whole cake before his friends could tell him there was a stripper in it.

[Funkman]

Roger Wong already knew that the cake was a lie.

[tiohn]

Roger Wong made the shirt shit itself.

[unbongwah]

"Oh. Uh... Well, I wanted to tell you that Daniel (the medical technician) wanted me to ask, because he wanted to marry you."
Jeez, where the hell do you work, Sweet Valley High? Tell Danny Boy to man up and ask you his own damn self: he'll still get rejected, but at least he'll learn your name. Can't use your balls until you grow a pair, boychik.

Alternatively, tell him your name is Alceste and see if he catches the reference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Misanthrope). Nothing like obscure literary references to weed out the unworthy!

Though personally, I think he just wants to marry you for citizenship papers. Don't make my mistake! Or at least, don't make it as often...
I say give him a shot!
Of what?

Badum bum.

[Was I really the first to make that pun?]
For a misanthrope, she has a good grasp on the order people check out features in.
What do you think turns people into misanthropes in the first place?
I was like "Is this really from the same people that brought us 'Firstdate smoochin'?"
Sequels are never as good as the originals.

[Kyle Wilson]

Sequels are never as good as the originals.

Well, this is the fourth or fifth relationship thread. We've about reached the point where Christopher Reeve is fighting Nuclear Man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094074/).

[AndrewM]

Well, this is the fourth or fifth relationship thread. We've about reached the point where Christopher Reeve is fighting Nuclear Man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094074/).

Or where Kirk is rescuing whales (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092007/).

[Bill Dungsroman]

P.S. BillD: The door gets locked ONLY AFTER EVERYONE IS ASLEEP. What kind of sick fuck are you? Scratch that question, actually, we all know already. (And if you ever have young kids, I look forward to your solution to the dilemma.)

I'd still have sex with my wife.

[Bahimiron]

I'd still have sex with my wife.

It seems like there's an opening for some sort of terrible joke here, but I just don't know what it could be.

[Orinoco]

Roger Wong makes RepoMan want to lock himself in a room.

[shift6]

Tom Chick was standing next to Roger Wong.

[Ryan A]

So is this a case of two Wongs making a right?

[Aeon221]

So is this a case of two Wongs making a right?

Two Wongs make a Wight.

[RepoMan]

So let me get this straight: if BillD ever gets married, he will never jerk off to financial documents again? God, the temptation to post a poll -- "You're married. Do you still jerk off?" -- is strong. Fortunately, datter has shown me that that way lies only madness, ostracism, and despair.

Roger Wong, on the other hand, is only one letter off from being Roger Wang.

[AndrewM]

Fortunately, datter has shown me that that way lies only madness, ostracism, and despair.

The system works.

[Gourmand]

Two Wongs make a Wight.

Make a Wight? Is this a super cool version of the joke remastered for an insert in the D&D Monster Manual?

[Raife]

I'm pretty sure I made that joke here somewhere... yeah (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?p=1245018#post1245018).

Since Aeon was active in that thread, he's basically a word gremlin.

[Aeon221]

So that explains why I felt dirty posting that joke! I should have known a pun that lame wasn't original.

[Raife]

So that explains why I felt dirty posting that joke! I should have known a pun that lame wasn't original.

Damned straight. It was a horrible pun and you should be ashamed of yourself for stealing it.

[unbongwah]

I'd still have sex with my wife.
I'd have sex with your wife, too, except Roger Wong always gets there first.

[Kraaze]

I'd have sex with your wife, too, except Roger Wong always gets there first.

Actually, though it's little known, Roger Wong does secretly have sex with every single woman on the earth once a month. They bleed for a week as a result.

[DoomMunky]

Roger Wong cannot be satisfied by the touch of a woman. Roger Wong only has sex with dragons.

[Lunch of Kong]

http://www.rogerw.com/animal/rogertree.jpg

You didn't realize it when you linked to it, but that's an actual photo of Roger Wong shitting in the woods.

[Demon G Sides]

I would've been your daddy, but Roger Wong beat me.

[Mike O'Malley]

You didn't realize it when you linked to it, but that's an actual photo of Roger Wong shitting in the woods.


He should probably take his pants off.

[jerri blank]

He should probably take his pants off.

And his shirt. We all know what could happen if he shits with his shirt on.

[Aeon221]

And his jacket. He should take off his pants and jacket.

[Ergo]

Roger Wong once sent me a videotape of he and my wife making love, and it was the most beautiful thing I ever saw!

[DoomMunky]

That thing behind him? In that picture? That's Roger Wong's shit.

[RickH]

This thread got a lot better after the first couple of pages.

[André Costa]

And his shirt. We all know what could happen if he shits with his shirt on.

Only problem is that Roger Wong shirt won't take shit from anybody.

[Demon G Sides]

Only problem is that Roger Wong shirt won't take shit from anybody.

And neither will Roger Wong.

[VictoriaWong]

So today, the physician to the Dalai Lama came to give a speech about the role of compassion in healthcare. And the role of compassion in Buddhism.

I found compassion again. I think I've let go of the anger and fear.
We'll see how that goes.

[balut]

Anger and Fear are also the names of Roger Wong's fists.

[Bill Dungsroman]

So today, the physician to the Dalai Lama came to give a speech about the role of compassion in healthcare. And the role of compassion in Buddhism.

I found compassion again. I think I've let go of the anger and fear.
We'll see how that goes.

This should end well!

[Sol Invictus]

So today, the physician to the Dalai Lama came to give a speech about the role of compassion in healthcare. And the role of compassion in Buddhism.

I found compassion again. I think I've let go of the anger and fear.
We'll see how that goes.

Why do you need to learn about compassion from the personal physician to the Dalai Lama? I'm sure anyone who's ever taken a class in social ethics could teach you the same thing.

Watching "What a Wonderful World" has the same effect, too.

[nutsak]

So are you going to have sex with the janitor now ?

[Aeon221]

Why do you need to learn about compassion from the personal physician to the Dalai Lama? I'm sure anyone who's ever taken a class in social ethics could teach you the same thing.

Watching "What a Wonderful World" has the same effect, too.

Conversely, I sat through part of the Dalai Llama's speech here at Emory and all I left with was a burning need to take a piss.

[VictoriaWong]

Well, I went because I had a class break, and hey, it was the personal physician to the Dalai Lama.
I guess I could say "Hey, I went to a lecture on compassion!" but that would have made much less sense, in context.
I took a class in social ethics. It didn't change my behavior very much, since I already did a ton of volunteering, and it certainly didn't change my mindset.

No, but I'll consider that last option on the poll.

<joke> I hear alpacas give pretty good speeches, though. </joke>
Yeah, but I grew up with an unreasonable amount of Buddhism around the house. So...

[Sol Invictus]

Personally, I can't say I like the Dalai Lama. Prior to him becoming this saintly figure to everyone living in the West, his Buddhist theocracy kept (or should I say oppressed?) the populace of the Tibetans under a system of serfdom. That was until the Chinese moved in and kicked his ass out.

Granted, the Chinese government may not be exactly 'fair and balanced' as much as the rest of the world would like in their treatment of the Tibetans but you have to give them credit for bringing education and jobs to the region, and if it wasn't for the Dalai and his posse stirring up the hornet's nest with talk about impending race wars, the current situation would've likely never occurred.

There's nothing like reading the NY Times biased coverage of the whole situation (in which only the Tibetan protesters are depicted as victims) when everyone else is reporting massive violence against Chinese civilians and law enforcement officers. Being doused with kerosene and set alight just for being Chinese doesn't seem like a very peaceful way for the protesters to make a point, does it?

[Aeon221]

Personally, I can't say I like the Dalai Lama. Prior to him becoming this saintly figure to everyone living in the West, his Buddhist theocracy kept (or should I say oppressed?) the populace of the Tibetans under a system of serfdom. That was until the Chinese moved in and kicked his ass out.

Granted, the Chinese government may not be exactly 'fair and balanced' as much as the rest of the world would like in their treatment of the Tibetans but you have to give them credit for bringing education and jobs to the region, and if it wasn't for the Dalai and his posse stirring up the hornet's nest with talk about impending race wars, the current situation would've likely never occurred.

There's nothing like reading the NY Times biased coverage of the whole situation (in which only the Tibetan protesters are depicted as victims) when everyone else is reporting massive violence against Chinese civilians and law enforcement officers. Being doused with kerosene and set alight just for being Chinese doesn't seem like a very peaceful way for the protesters to make a point, does it?

Um. Couple of issues. This Llama wasn't responsible for the past, being as he lost control of his country months after he was put in charge.

And while the NYT is guaranteed to give you a Fox News style slant, more balanced (or less slanted, however you want to put it) coverage from sources like the Economist isn't exactly painting a picture full of Tibetans ethnically cleansing people.

Speaking of which, ever hear of necklacing? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing) The things you learn in art class, honestly.

Anyway, while there are certainly naughty things being done by both sides, most people are willing to say that the Tibetans are the aggrieved party because they have been occupied by a hostile power for going on sixty years. And while the Llama has certainly been a big proponent of non-violence, I don't recall any special declaration of Tibetan non-violence. Sure, they're Buddhists, but that doesn't mean they all walk around going "So Solly Mista Bug" anytime they squish one. I'd expect they act pretty much like people do everywhere.

[VictoriaWong]

Personally, I can't say I like the Dalai Lama. Prior to him becoming this saintly figure to everyone living in the West, his Buddhist theocracy kept (or should I say oppressed?) the populace of the Tibetans under a system of serfdom. That was until the Chinese moved in and kicked his ass out.

Granted, the Chinese government may not be exactly 'fair and balanced' as much as the rest of the world would like in their treatment of the Tibetans but you have to give them credit for bringing education and jobs to the region, and if it wasn't for the Dalai and his posse stirring up the hornet's nest with talk about impending race wars, the current situation would've likely never occurred.

There's nothing like reading the NY Times biased coverage of the whole situation (in which only the Tibetan protesters are depicted as victims) when everyone else is reporting massive violence against Chinese civilians and law enforcement officers. Being doused with kerosene and set alight just for being Chinese doesn't seem like a very peaceful way for the protesters to make a point, does it?
He may not be holy except by definition. His physician actually seems like he's trying to make a difference, though. And I can't speculate on what might have happened if... because barring the development of time machines, I really don't know.
Also, the Dalai Lama recruited educators to Tibet and now to his location as a government-in-exile. So I don't know if it's that fair to say he didn't...

[Sol Invictus]

He may not be holy except by definition. His physician actually seems like he's trying to make a difference, though.
It's good to know that his physician is trying to make a difference. It's a lot better than hearing the Lama preach on about peace in one place while urging revolution elsewhere. I mean, is the guy so deluded that he thinks a revolution against the Chinese government can be achieved without some measure of violence? I'll give him credit for his intelligence and assume he isn't as stupid as that.

Speaking of which, ever hear of necklacing? The things you learn in art class, honestly.
Yeah. I read about it awhile back when I was reading up on Apartheid history. It's really nasty what these so-called 'freedom fighters' and 'revolutionaries' are willing to do to anyone who disagrees with their philosophy of violence.

There's no denying that the Tibetans are living in a country occupied by a foreign presence, but likewise we can't deny that the Chinese government has provided them with previously unavailable standards of education, infrastructure and plenty of other modern conveniences.

It's so easy for people (especially the Tibetans) to forget that were it not for the Chinese, they'd still be farming rice for the Theocratic monks, well known for their abuse of Christian missionaries and other dissidents by throwing them into snake pits. Most of these so-called revolutionaries were probably born way after the Chinese occupation and know little to nothing of what their forefathers had to go through, apart from some rose-tinted recollections of their simple lives toiling for the monasteries.