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Cleve Blakemore
06-29-2003, 10:18 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48925-2003Jun29.html
Hey, what the hell is this, some Mexican third world country! American states don't go bankrupt, do they?
As goes Kalifornia, so go we all.
wumpus
06-29-2003, 10:24 PM
I'm so glad this shit has its own forum now so I can blackhole it.
Speaking of new forums: can we get a "Hardware" forum? I think it'd help seperate some of the techie computer threads from the "Everything Else" ghetto they're currently in.
Cleve Blakemore
06-29-2003, 10:46 PM
Yes, the financial collapse of the largest state in the United States has no bearing on your tiny local microcosm, pizza delivery will not be interrupted, promise. Of course, the pizza may be delivered by automatic weapon wielding cannibals, so please plan accordingly.
Mark Asher
06-29-2003, 11:24 PM
I'm so glad this shit has its own forum now so I can blackhole it.
Speaking of new forums: can we get a "Hardware" forum? I think it'd help seperate some of the techie computer threads from the "Everything Else" ghetto they're currently in.
Thanks for coming here to say you're not coming here! That was an important message to deliver!
Cleve Blakemore
06-29-2003, 11:33 PM
I'm so glad this shit has its own forum now so I can blackhole it.
Speaking of new forums: can we get a "Hardware" forum? I think it'd help seperate some of the techie computer threads from the "Everything Else" ghetto they're currently in.
Thanks for coming here to say you're not coming here! That was an important message to deliver!
I wish he would elaborate on why he will definitely not be posting here!
Brian Rubin
06-30-2003, 12:12 AM
Unfortunately, it's pretty bad here. We're facing one of our largest budget shortfalls (38 billion is what I keep hearing) in the state's short history. Several jobs and services, such as hospitals, healthcare, and prisons, are being cut back severely, and lots of folks are losing their jobs.
Govenor Davis is also facing a ever-so-likely recall election, because I keep hearing that they keep getting closer to the 900,000 signatures needed for the recall. Things aren't so rosy over here in the golden state, that's for sure.
Jason McCullough
06-30-2003, 12:43 AM
Davis and the Democrats who control both houses of California's legislature cannot get their way on the budget because state law requires a two-thirds majority vote for it to be approved. They need a few Republican lawmakers to support their plan, which they say must include new taxes in order to save public schools and other vital programs from ruin.
But Republicans are refusing to consider any tax increase, which they say would harm California's already weak economy, and are demanding deeper cuts in government spending.
Tax cuts harm the economy, but spending cuts don't! Or something.
Why in god's name does the lege need a 2/3rds majority to pass a budget? Is this Jarvis's fault?
VegasRobb
06-30-2003, 02:06 AM
Some states passed super majority clauses regarding tax increases to score points with their constituents. The end result is that a minority of legislators can literally hold a state hostage when it comes to budget issues.
hermyhermit
06-30-2003, 10:24 AM
"Soaring health care costs for the poor and new expenses for homeland security are other contributing factors."
Just makes you want to open the borders totally doesn't it? May as well speed Cleve's predictions up as much as we can.
I have a bunch of friends in California, all very liberal and very left. To them I say: Enjoy! You reap what you sow... hopefully you can find some nice Mexican barrio that will allow you to move in. Just tell them you were in support of illegals getting healthcare and social services, I'm sure that will be enough for them to accept your pasty white self.
Jason McCullough
06-30-2003, 10:30 AM
Right, because we all know how those illegal immigrants are covered by Medicaid/Medicare. Sheesh.
hermyhermit
06-30-2003, 11:10 AM
Right, because we all know how those illegal immigrants are covered by Medicaid/Medicare. Sheesh.
You are the main fucking reason that this country will one day collapse, you know that?
Ignorant white liberals who understand very little, but *FEEL* oh so much!
Federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act
Go look it up you uneducated dick. Illegals DO get healthcare in California for FREE and do not pay for it. Often.
And you know, I bet you FEEL that illegal aliens do not get free education either so it MUST be true? I mean these noble spirited Mexicans are almost as noble and magical as the Negro! They SURELY deserve free education and do not have to pay tax dollars for it!
California Assembly Bill 540. Look that one up too my liberal genius.
Could you do the world a favor and slit your wrists?
mtkafka
06-30-2003, 11:27 AM
This is what God says,
1
And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when
he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2
And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven
4
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after
righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the
children of God.
10
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake:
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you,
and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my
sake.
12
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in
heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before
you.
13
Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his
savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good
for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot
of men.
14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill
cannot be hid.
15
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but
on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the
house.
16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good
works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I
am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot
or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled.
19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the
least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and
teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of
heaven.
-----
etc
Compassionate Conservatism at work! Let the illegal immigrants upon which form an essential portion of the California workforce bleed to death in the street!
bmulligan
06-30-2003, 11:48 AM
Right, because we all know how those illegal immigrants are covered by Medicaid/Medicare. Sheesh.
You are the main fucking reason that this country will one day collapse, you know that?
Ignorant white liberals who understand very little, but *FEEL* oh so much!
Federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act
Go look it up you uneducated dick. Illegals DO get healthcare in California for FREE and do not pay for it. Often.
And you know, I bet you FEEL that illegal aliens do not get free education either so it MUST be true? I mean these noble spirited Mexicans are almost as noble and magical as the Negro! They SURELY deserve free education and do not have to pay tax dollars for it!
California Assembly Bill 540. Look that one up too my liberal genius.
Could you do the world a favor and slit your wrists?
Man, I like this guy. You reap, you sow. Unfortunately they sow and then reap the rest of us to bail them out of their own doing. They don't even know why they are in such trouble!! Yes, we need tax hikes! That will save us! Fucking morons get exactly what they deserve.
Jason McCullough
06-30-2003, 11:52 AM
Federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act.
The costs of mandated emergency room care of people unable to pay are paid by the hospital. The state of California is not responsible for those bills. Where are these immigrant health care costs in the budget?
mtkafka
06-30-2003, 11:57 AM
God also said this,
---------
Matthew 7
1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote
out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy
brother's eye.
6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your
pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet,
and turn again and rend you.
7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock,
and it shall be opened unto you:
8
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh
findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9
Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he
give him a stone?
10
Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your
children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven
give good things to them that ask him?
12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to
you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the
prophets.
----
etc
bmulligan
06-30-2003, 11:59 AM
can you spell M-E-D-I-C-A-I-D ?
bmulligan
06-30-2003, 12:02 PM
hey Kafka,
Did you type all that out by yourself, or did the hand of god help you out?
Jason McCullough
06-30-2003, 01:38 PM
Medicaid isn't available for illegal immigrants, to my knowledge.
Cleve Blakemore
06-30-2003, 04:17 PM
Medicaid isn't available for illegal immigrants, to my knowledge.
Man, you're living in a dreamworld. You're floating on a fairy floss cloud with a pink tutu on, glittering slippers and a tiara waving your stardust wand.
When my wife and I went to private clinics in California WITH CASH IN HAND we often could not get medical care because of the WAITING LIST OF ILLEGALS GETTING THEIR HEALTH CARE FOR FREE UNDER THE EMERGENCY ACT. SOMETIMES WE GOT BUMPED OFF THE SCHEDULE BECAUSE AN ILLEGAL BACKED BY GOVERNMENT BILLING NEEDED TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT AT THAT TIME. It's a colossal scam but as you can see now, like any Ponzi scheme it is hitting the skids.
Nobody will laugh harder than I will when California explodes into a flaming ball of cannibal soup. California will get what California deserves.
The funniest part of all is when I was predicting the state would go bankrupt ten years ago, you friggin' liberal traitorous scumbags were sneering and claiming that was a far-out, right wing fantasy.
I can't wait until you sick, twisted fuggs get what you deserve during CW2. I keep blank tapes set aside so I can record the live footage of you body surfing over the heads of a Mexican crowd on CNN screaming all the way as you drift towards a central barbecue pit and get chucked in amidst fire hoses spraying tabasco sauce. "Cleve! Cleve, are you out there?!? Cleve, if you can hear me, I'm sorry, man!!!!! I learned too little too late how screwed up I was!!! I was a crazy, skewed liberal fugg who didn't even know what planet he was on! Cleve! Cleve! AHHHHGHGHGHGGH!!!!"
(Cut back to CNN studios, somber broadcaster shaking his head)
"Terrible, terrible stuff folks. The State of California has formally seceded from the United States as of 9 am this morning by a unanimous vote of the Senate which is occupied by a majority of people of hispanic descent. All blonde women in the State have been declared public property and have been seen chained naked to lamp posts as freely available sexual gratification for any passersby. The male Caucasians are being brutally killed and in some cases eaten. John, this is just my personal opinion, but I believe we are seeing the chickens of white racism come home to roost. You can only push these pooor, poooor, poooor people so far before they strike back and take what is theirs. After all, they were there first, actually they weren't there but what is important is that they claim they were there, despite the fact they were never there. Another sad day in the history of race relations in America."
Met_K
06-30-2003, 04:23 PM
Let's see about this:
A) Marriage
B) Visiting California
C) Needed medical care
D) Cash in hand, as opposed to being in solid steel lockbox in a supersecret hydraulics-powered titanium-gated bunker
E) Not tossing the illegals out of your way like dwarf-throwing was just made illegal
F) I thought the scams would only hit the skids when California went boom
G) Sudden love-affair with the name California, eh, Tex?
Truth can be stranger than fiction, unless it's made up falsified bullshit like this.
Cleve Blakemore
06-30-2003, 04:36 PM
Let's see about this:
A) Marriage
B) Visiting California
C) Needed medical care
D) Cash in hand, as opposed to being in solid steel lockbox in a supersecret hydraulics-powered titanium-gated bunker
E) Not tossing the illegals out of your way like dwarf-throwing was just made illegal
F) I thought the scams would only hit the skids when California went boom
G) Sudden love-affair with the name California, eh, Tex?
Truth can be stranger than fiction, unless it's made up falsified bullshit like this.
I lived there for four years, Met_K, if you would have tried to lipread some of my earlier posts. You are completely out of the information loop, hoss. I survived the LA Riots. This was what finally prompted me to fulfill my lifelong dream of emigrating to Oz.
Met_K
06-30-2003, 04:40 PM
Funny. I thought that was getting fired from 'developer' job. How's the industry coming along, California? Think there'll be a market for Grimoire, Tex? Maybe you can make it massively multiplayer, and offer to link all the underground bunkers in the outback together so you'll all have something to do while waiting for the fall-out to subside, eh, Kuh, Kuh, Kuh, Kleve?
Cleve Blakemore
06-30-2003, 04:42 PM
God also said this,
6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your
pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet,
and turn again and rend you.
America was a shining city on a hill, it was a paradise on earth in 1955. We gave it to the dogs, we cast our pearls before swine, and now they will trample you under their feet, they will turn and rend you.
You had the greatest civilization in all of human history and you turned it over to some plate-lipped featherless bipeds who will stomp all of it into the mud just as they did any of the good things they ever had in the native lands from which they fled. America will get what America deserves.
Cleve Blakemore
06-30-2003, 04:43 PM
Funny. I thought that was getting fired from 'developer' job.
Met_K, you're not only the unfunniest and most hapless, incoherent scribbler on this entire board, you're also the least entertaining. I recommend you post even less often than now.
Met_K
06-30-2003, 04:50 PM
Funny. I thought that was getting fired from 'developer' job.
Met_K, you're not only the unfunniest and most hapless, incoherent scribbler on this entire board, you're also the least entertaining. I recommend you post even less often than now.
Stop attacking me ad hominem. You're just jealous because I live in the promised land. God doesn't exist, only money does. And money is where America is at.
You think any third world countries like India, Pakistan, Brazil, or the likes will overtake us? Fat chance, but they do have a better chance of becoming an economic powerhouse than Australia.
Oi! Oi! Oi! How's the barbeque, John? Don't need a nuke to land in the outback for things to be set ablaze. How close has the nearest wildfire come to your secret, underground bunker, Clevus? If it's so secret, what're you going to do when the left-over filth of the world come scouring the country-side for anything and everything of value and worth taking to survive, eh? You know they will. You can't spin a post-apocalyptic scenario without taking them into account.
Oh, and I hope your bunker is water-proof. It's going to be real nice when the ice-caps melt from the thermal heat that is released upon mass-detonation. Land ahoy indeed, fuckers!
Cleve Blakemore
06-30-2003, 04:53 PM
Funny. I thought that was getting fired from 'developer' job.
Met_K, you're not only the unfunniest and most hapless, incoherent scribbler on this entire board, you're also the least entertaining. I recommend you post even less often than now.
Stop attacking me ad hominem. You're just jealous because I live in the promised land. God doesn't exist, only money does. And money is where America is at.
You think any third world countries like India, Pakistan, Brazil, or the likes will overtake us? Fat chance, but they do have a better chance of becoming an economic powerhouse than Australia.
Oi! Oi! Oi! How's the barbeque, John? Don't need a nuke to land in the outback for things to be set ablaze. How close has the nearest wildfire come to your secret, underground bunker, Clevus? If it's so secret, what're you going to do when the left-over filth of the world come scouring the country-side for anything and everything of value and worth taking to survive, eh? You know they will. You can't spin a post-apocalyptic scenario without taking them into account.
Oh, and I hope your bunker is water-proof. It's going to be real nice when the ice-caps melt from the thermal heat that is released upon mass-detonation. Land ahoy indeed, fuckers!
This guy sounds like he's taken a blow to the head in some kind of industrial accident. Met_K, what are you, about 14 years old?
Met_K
06-30-2003, 04:55 PM
Yes. I make Captain Cookiepants look like he's thirty-six, don't I? At least I'm better than that bob, fellow, though. I'm sure you'll agree.
Daddy Cleviepants, can I come live with you when the world ends? I need food, shelter, water, and love, too. I'll be your slave... in more than one way.
So, to sum up: A racist couldn't hack it in the US and moved to Australia.
The real loser in all this is the Australians I think.
The Narrator
06-30-2003, 04:59 PM
Thrust, parry, counter-thrust. The titans surged at each other in near syncopation. Onlookers could only scroll past, not comprehending what they saw, as though they were dogs in church. The terrible and mighty communion continued.
Cleve Blakemore
06-30-2003, 05:02 PM
California's Population Explosion Due To Immigration
By Capsweb.org
Capsweb.org | June 30, 2003
Virtually 100% of California's population explosion between 1990 and 2000 (and continuing through 2002) was the result of a massive inflow of immigrants and births to immigrants, not from internal growth, according to two separate studies commissioned by Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS), a non-profit group dedicated to stricter management of the state's population size.
Census Bureau figures reveal that the state's population grew from 29.8 million in 1990 to more than 34 million in 2000, an increase of more than 4 million people. According to authors of the studies, that growth is greater than the combined increase in population of all the northeastern states from Maine to Virginia during that same period. Demographers project that if the same rate of growth continues, California's population will double in just 40 years.
During the measured twelve-year span, immigrants and births to immigrants accounted for the net increase of 4.1 million people after allowing for deaths and those leaving the state. Native-born residents (those residing in the state prior to 1990) decreased by about 100,000 and this was not compensated for by other Americans moving to California.
CAPS commissioned two separate studies of population growth factors in California in order to ensure the accuracy of the findings. The two studies used slightly different sets of data, with both arriving at conclusions that differed by only 2%. Leon Bouvier, Ph.D., demographer and author of Fifty Million Californians performed one study. Bouvier based his study on data supplied by the California Department of Finance. Environmental analyst Dick Schneider did the second study. He combined state statistics with information from the Census Bureau, the former Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) and existing research on domestic migration.
"A number of things are very clear from these vitally important studies," said Diana Hull, Ph.D., President of CAPS. "The first and most important is what we all know in California-we are in the midst of a population crisis that is already affecting virtually every aspect of life in our state and which is only going to get worse."
"The second finding that nobody in California wants to talk about, due to political correctness, is the underlying cause of our problem which is totally uncontrolled immigration and the high fertility rates associated with major immigrant groups. Stop immigration and we'll be on the way to saving our quality of life—do nothing and we will soon reach the limits of livability."
"And third, there is a message of hope in the findings. The first step in fixing any problem is determining the cause, which we have now established conclusively. Now it's up to Californians to have the courage to address this growth crisis head-on," Hull concluded.
One of CAPS' primary tenets is that the vast majority of California's myriad problems can be attributed to over-immigration. Traffic congestion, schools, the water crisis and the state's record $37 billion budget shortfall have all emerged according to the group because there are too many people for the state's now beleaguered resources. According to CAPS, the crisis in which California finds itself today is just the beginning of a population nightmare that will continue to worsen unless immigration is slowed considerably or brought to a halt.
Copies of the studies may be obtained by contacting Diana Hull at 805-564-6626 or downloaded in pdf format California's Population Growth 1990-2002: Virtually All From Immigration.
ABOUT CALIFORNIANS FOR POPULATION STABILIZATION (CAPS):
Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS) is a non-profit organization dedicated to formulating and advancing policies and programs designed to stabilize the population of California at a level which will preserve a good quality of life for all Californians.
Met_K
06-30-2003, 05:05 PM
Tell me, Cleve, if America is the land of the weak, and you moved from America to Australia... what's that make Australia?
Just curious. I'm not trying to troll. Really I'm not. I mean, I'm just wondering how many other people there are like you? Please tell me, cos, you know... if we were all going to save the world by putting artists, scientists, strong-men, etc. into a safe place for a couple of years while the apocalypse went past... wouldn't we just go ahead and leave Australia alone since it's the continent of super-men? Just wondering.
Cleve Blakemore
06-30-2003, 05:06 PM
So, to sum up: A racist couldn't hack it in the US and moved to Australia.
The real loser in all this is the Australians I think.
You live in California? Moron, why do you think 60 million caucasians have fled the State in the past 30 years? You'd better stop jabberjawing and pack your bags while you've still got time. There's a six month waiting list for U-Haul and by the time you can get a van you are going to be in a bubbling pot in a Mexican kitchen.
I moved when there was still time for an orderly withdrawal. You have no options, you'd better throw a bundle on your back and hit the nearest main road before sundown today. I pity the suckers like you who stay inside these 3rd world countries right up to the bitter end, they are like those idiots who refused to leave Mount St. Helens when the smoke started to come out the top.
Met_K
06-30-2003, 05:08 PM
So, to sum up: A racist couldn't hack it in the US and moved to Australia.
The real loser in all this is the Australians I think.
You live in California? Moron, why do you think 60 million caucasians have fled the State in the past 30 years? You'd better stop jabberjawing and pack your bags while you've still got time. There's a six month waiting list for U-Haul and by the time you can get a van you are going to be in a bubbling pot in a Mexican kitchen.
I moved when there was still time for an orderly withdrawal. You have no options, you'd better throw a bundle on your back and hit the nearest main road before sundown today. I pity the suckers like you who stay inside these 3rd world countries right up to the bitter end, they are like those idiots who refused to leave Mount St. Helens when the smoke started to come out the top.
...as opposed to those idiots who live in an arid, desolate desert who expect to scratch out a living in their pseudo bomb-shelters after the Earth has gone flat and the galaxy stops giving us the finger.
Cleve Blakemore
06-30-2003, 05:12 PM
Tell me, Cleve, if America is the land of the weak, and you moved from America to Australia... what's that make Australia?
Just curious. I'm not trying to troll. Really I'm not. I mean, I'm just wondering how many other people there are like you? Please tell me, cos, you know... if we were all going to save the world by putting artists, scientists, strong-men, etc. into a safe place for a couple of years while the apocalypse went past... wouldn't we just go ahead and leave Australia alone since it's the continent of super-men? Just wondering.
Queensland is without a doubt, the survivalist capital of the world. There are more people flowing here during the past year than the previous 200 years in Australia. Land prices are soaring beyond the pale, it's almost like everybody on the planet has figured out the world's safe house is the Gold Coast, Queensland. Everywhere you look up here, you see self-sufficient people on rural properties who are trying to get completely off the grid. It's almost as if the best and brightest have some secret instinctive wavelength causing them to come here whilst the consumer units waffle and trifle.
Idar Thorvaldsen
06-30-2003, 05:15 PM
Land prices are soaring beyond the pale...
Har!
Jason McCullough
06-30-2003, 05:49 PM
Just to summarize:
1) Illegal immigrants can get emergency room care.
2) However, emergency room care isn't paid for by the state, so it has nothing to do with CA's budget woes.
3) Illegail immigrants can't get medicaid, which is the only real medical spending of note in the CA budget.
4) A miracle occurs.
5) Therefore, CA's budget crisis is entirely due to filthy darkies.
Captain Cookiepants
06-30-2003, 05:52 PM
It's almost as if the best and brightest have some secret instinctive wavelength causing them to come here whilst the consumer units waffle and trifle.
So why did you move there?
Cleve Blakemore
06-30-2003, 05:53 PM
...as opposed to those idiots who live in an arid, desolate desert who expect to scratch out a living in their pseudo bomb-shelters after the Earth has gone flat and the galaxy stops giving us the finger.
I hope you are not considering a career as a writer. Think about plumbing instead. Plumbing is good.
Cleve Blakemore
06-30-2003, 05:55 PM
Just to summarize:
1) Illegal immigrants can get emergency room care.
2) However, emergency room care isn't paid for by the state, so it has nothing to do with CA's budget woes.
3) Illegail immigrants can't get medicaid, which is the only real medical spending of note in the CA budget.
4) A miracle occurs.
5) Therefore, CA's budget crisis is entirely due to filthy darkies.
Like any religious fanatic, you incorporate any contradictions into your fantasy and continue with your socialist catholicism in complete faith your messianic utopia is right around the corner. California near financial collapse? It's just a hiccup on the march to the shining kingdom of Marx, you see.
hermyhermit
06-30-2003, 06:36 PM
Queensland is also a place where former Apartheid whites emigrated en masse after "Nelson" took back South Africa.
So as far as your views on Africa, you are in good company. I'm guessing these same people probably HAD to be survivalists considering the firestorm that South Africa was around the same time of that mass migration.
I bet if you take your rather umm, right of center, views to a few of your neighbors they'd be nodding in agreeance with you. The fact that Queensland became a white refuge after Apartheid is not a secret that I know of.
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