NFL Week 13

[Shmtur]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Bill Dungsroman]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Shmtur]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[balut]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Nick Walter]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Alan Dunkin]

Remember the GB-Dallas game is on Thursday so get your picks in early. Of course most of the nation won't be able to watch it...

--- Alan

[Not One Of Us]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

Changed up my picks; I hate the Pats enough to pick the Ravens.

[Elton]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[BlueJackalope]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami - now or never!
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia - Seattle, the NFL's parity dream team, not too good, not too bad. They'll win if they get some breaks and they'll make it close in most cases.

San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Mark Crump]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Charlatan]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Troy S Goodfellow]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

Troy

[theKevin]

I'm going to make my picks after tonight's game.

My pick of the Jets-Dolphins game depends on Ricky William's performance into tonight's Steelers-Dolphins game.

[Greedo]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Rimbo]

Well, here we are: The statistical baseline based on expected score for the 13th Week.

Green Bay at Dallas -- Intriguingly the computer shows that GB has achieved its 10-1 record against a slightly tougher schedule; however, although GB has the tougher defense, Dallas has the more dynamic offense, and the way the numbers play out expect Dallas to win by 1. In fact, many of the games this week are very, very close -- within one point or less -- and statistical draws.
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota -- Note that this is not technically an "upset," because these numbers represent what you'd expect the final score to be.
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami -- First time ever that Miami is favored by the numbers, but by less than a point. This has to be one of the most interesting results the computer's come up with yet.
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans -- Tampa Bay remains the NFC's best defense.
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore -- I think I'm going to DIE from the lack of surprise at this prediction.

The data for your perusal is, as usual, right here (http://rimbosity.com/scores.html).

[BennyProfane]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

Last week felt like easy picks. This week is a bitch. I really don't like picking that many road winners, but head-to-head each feels right.

[Matt Bowyer]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Contrai]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Shadarr]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Juan Rayo]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Alan Dunkin]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

Oh yeah, risky week for sure.

--- Alan

[theKevin]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

I'm picking against my hometown GB Pack. Don't ask me why.....

[Shmtur]

I'm picking against my hometown GB Pack. Don't ask me why.....

I hereby revoke your Packer fan membership.

[Robert Sharp]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[wildpokerman]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Talisker]

I'm picking against my hometown GB Pack. Don't ask me why.....
You just lost your cheesehead priveleges!

[SolomonGrundy]

Green Bay at Dallas-So,Farve as MVP-Yeah shut up ESPN.
Atlanta at St. Louis-Flip it
Buffalo at Washington-Go Rookie QB.
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee-Will this start thier late season roll like last year?
Jacksonville at Indianapolis-Upset special
N.Y. Jets at Miami-Mangini can still burn in hell.
San Diego at Kansas City-Hard pick-The Chargers seem to be two teams-which will show up? Oh and give the damn ball to LT, and mayby try running outside the tackles sometime.
Seattle at Philadelphia-If the Eagles play like they did sunday they are going to run the table the rest of the year.
San Francisco at Carolina-Flip it
Cleveland at Arizona-Go Browns! I love teams like this.
Denver at Oakland-No Denver in the playoffs? Good for NE.
N.Y. Giants at Chicago-The Grossman is back-hahahah.
Tampa Bay at New Orleans-TB is underrated.
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh-Unless they are playing in a mudpit again.I just don't think Pitt is that good.
New England at Baltimore-BRADY SMASH. Loss of rosie is going to hurt, but now with AT on the outside, watch the sack numbers go up. Oh and the return of the mighty Super Troy. Welcome back #80.

[Uncle Larry]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Lorini]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland they played pretty well last week and hope springs eternal
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Matt Perkins]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Shadarr]

I'm picking against my hometown GB Pack. Don't ask me why.....
I'm gonna be rooting for the Pack but my head says Dallas, especially at home.

[Nick Walter]

Assuming that many people in this thread are in the same boat as me and can't get the NFL network, how are people planning to keep up on the big Packers/Cowboys game? I have no idea how to find out if any local radio stations are going to play it, but I'm hoping to get it that way.

[Alan Dunkin]

Found these radio links. Theoretically, according to the site, you should be able to listen to the football broadcast through these radio stations:

http://www.freefootballradio.com/Dallas.html
http://www.freefootballradio.com/Greenbay.html

--- Alan

[Cronox]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Robert Sharp]

You can't get NFLN, Nick? Wow. I thought most cable companies were just charging extra. Maybe that's because comcast is around here. Anyway, that really sucks. If they are going to put games on that channel, they need to make sure everyone has access to it.

[sluggo]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Nick Walter]

You can't get NFLN, Nick? Wow. I thought most cable companies were just charging extra. Maybe that's because comcast is around here. Anyway, that really sucks. If they are going to put games on that channel, they need to make sure everyone has access to it.

Unfortunately the area I live in is served by Time Warner cable and they don't carry NFL network even in a premium tier.

[caesarbear]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Ryan A]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Alan Dunkin]

There's a lot of people who can't get the NFL Network. Why do you think there's so much complaining?

--- Alan

[SolomonGrundy]

Yep the game should be simulcast on ESPN2 or something.
I'm gonna sit in my car and listen to it on sirius

[Lorini]

Yep the game should be simulcast on ESPN2 or something.
I'm gonna sit in my car and listen to it on sirius

The whole point is to force the cable companies to carry it in their basic package, which they won't do. The cable companies want to carry it in their sports tier and charge sports fanatics only for it, which the NFL doesn't want. The cable companies say that people who are super hyped for the NFL have already left cable for the Direct TV NFL package and the people who are left don't want to pay for what they won't watch.

I agree with the cable companies for once. No way should the NFL be able to tell them how to do business. It does suck entirely not to be able to see this Green Bay game, but like the cable companies say, if I cared that much I'd get Direct TV.

[theKevin]

According the Milwaukee newspaper, the rights to broadcast the game have been purchased by local Green Bay and Milwaukee stations. I don't know how, they must have paid the NFL Network a shit-ton of money.

[caesarbear]

No more money than normal. The NFL has to sell to the regional markets. The battle is only over the national rights.

btw, there are already some internet links appearing for a stream of the game.

[Alan Dunkin]

No the battle is for television broadcast period; far as I know the game will not be shown in Dallas at all. Same thing happened last year. The reason why the NFL Network has these games is because it wants to control everything there is about them, including who gets to see it, since it's their product. The NFL and the broadcasters agreed with these terms when the renegotiations took place a year and a half ago, that brought the NFL to NBC on Sunday nights and moved MNF to ESPN. If the broadcasters in Wisconsin managed to secure regional rights then I'm sure they paid out the ass for it and it's very much a one-off.

--- Alan

[Sarkus]

The whole point is to force the cable companies to carry it in their basic package, which they won't do. The cable companies want to carry it in their sports tier and charge sports fanatics only for it, which the NFL doesn't want. The cable companies say that people who are super hyped for the NFL have already left cable for the Direct TV NFL package and the people who are left don't want to pay for what they won't watch.

I agree with the cable companies for once. No way should the NFL be able to tell them how to do business. It does suck entirely not to be able to see this Green Bay game, but like the cable companies say, if I cared that much I'd get Direct TV.

I just wanted to add that the cable/sat companies have to pay the NFL Network to carry the channel, so the issue is whether they should be forced to include it in with the basic packages or not, since it increases their costs. Many providers feel that NFL Network is not a valuable enough channel to justify being part of basic packages, since it's viewership is seasonal and is quite low outside of a few NFL games each season.

[Alan Dunkin]

Oops my bad. It looks like the game will be on Channel 27 (KDFI) in Dallas.

--- Alan

[Sarkus]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[caesarbear]

Oops my bad. It looks like the game will be on Channel 27 (KDFI) in Dallas.
Yeah, I don't know why it became a news story that the game will be broadcast in Milwaukee and Green Bay. I'm sure all of this was planned well in advance. The NFL knows that local broadcasters can't afford millions, so I'm sure the cost is equal to a normal special local event. The NFL gets special exemptions from US anti-trust laws for broadcasting and in return they have to provide local affliates coverage as long as the games are sell outs, which for GB and Dallas, is no problem.

[SolomonGrundy]

Well, I hate Comcast anyway, but here's my take on the 'sports package'
This is what I would get-which up unitil Sept I had anyway as part of my 'gold' package.Sorry but Comcast crying poverty doesn't fly with me.
NFL
NBA
Fox College Sports
CSTV
Tennis Network
Out of those people are going to want...yep the NFL. The rest are just there to make it look like a package.
I get your arguement. But How about this: take all those god channels and throw those in a tier. Or the shopping channels. I don't want to pay for those and I have to. So those people that watch that crap should have to help pay for the channels I watch and they dont.
As for local- the deal in place is, the NFL net games are shown in the teams local markets. So I will still see the Pats-NYG game. Of course this gets tricky in some of the bigger states/fan bases where I'm betting some areas are not going to have the game at all.

[Talisker]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Talisker]

====== week 13 pick stats ======

# of picks per team:

GB 18 @ DAL 18

JAC 11 @ IND 25

SF 10 @ CAR 26

NYJ 19 @ MIA 17

DET 15 @ MIN 21

SD 30 @ KC 6
(KC: Charlatan, Contrai, Juan Rayo, theKevin, Troy S Goodfellow, Uncle Larry)

BUF 10 @ WAS 26

HOU 14 @ TEN 22

ATL 7 @ STL 29
(ATL: Contrai, NatCox, Nick Walter, Rimbo, SolomonGrundy, Troy S Goodfellow, yurislave)

SEA 14 @ PHI 22

CLE 30 @ ARI 6
(ARI: Contrai, contrarybear, Not One Of Us, Sarkus, Squirrel Killer, theKevin)

DEN 31 @ OAK 5
(OAK: contrarybear, Lorini, Mark Crump, Not One Of Us, Shmtur)

NYG 19 @ CHI 17

TB 17 @ NO 19

CIN 4 @ PIT 32
(CIN: Alan Dunkin, Contrai, Not One Of Us, SolomonGrundy)

NE 34 @ BAL 2
(BAL: Contrai, Not One Of Us)


Vegas Line:
GB JAC SF NYJ DET SD BUF HOU ATL SEA CLE DEN NYG TB CIN NE

The QT3 consensus:
... IND CAR NYJ MIN SD WAS TEN STL PHI CLE DEN NYG NO PIT NE

Straight Vegas Line pickers (lame!): (nobody)

Maverick ratings (# of picks that differ with the QT3 consensus):
11: Contrai, Not One Of Us
9: SolomonGrundy, Troy S Goodfellow
7: Squirrel Killer, theKevin
6: BennyProfane, Greedo, NatCox, Nick Walter, Ryan A, Shmtur, yurislave
5: Alan Dunkin, BlueJackalope, caesarbear, Charlatan, contrarybear, Juan Rayo, Lorini, Mark Crump, Matt Perkins, Rimbo, Sarkus
4: Andrew Myers, Crispus, Cronox, shadarr, Slainte Mhath, Uncle Larry
3: balut, Bill Dungsroman, Desslock, Robert Sharp
2: Kid Socrates, sluggo


No picks entered yet: BaconTastesGood, Cosmic Hippo, delirium, ElGuapo, jeffd, Ryan Markel, Supersport, Taranis, TheRock

[Juan Rayo]

PEOPLE WITH FEWER THAN 16 PICKS: Juan Rayo (15)
(double-check your bolding!)

Arreglado, gracias

[Slainte Mhath]

Green Bay at Dallas - Screw the NFL Network, bastards.
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami - This may be the only game Miami has a chance at winning
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina - Panthers are a mess right now
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh - Bengals are 3-1 @ Steelers under Marvin, not this time though
New England at Baltimore

[Robert Sharp]

There's a lot of people who can't get the NFL Network. Why do you think there's so much complaining?

--- Alan

I thought it was the extra money. I knew people complained about it a year ago, when these games happened, but I thought the Cable companies fixed it by offering NFLN as part of a sports tier. That's how it is here, with Comcast. So I figured people today weren't paying the extra. In any case, the whole thing stinks.

Honestly, NFLN is one of the things I like about DirecTV. I also like their HD programming and the SD signal, so I would go satellite either way. But I use DSL even though I prefer cable internet in large part because I don't want cable television for the aforementioned reasons. Right now I have a second home that I stay at from time to time and it has Comcast and no NFLN (didn't pay the extra since it's not my main home). It really does hurt not to have it.

[Desslock]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

My mind says Dallas, but I just can't enjoy that game if I'm rooting for them against GB.

[Lorini]

I do wonder why the sponsors of the NFL Network games aren't pushing harder to get this resolved. I mean they pay millions of dollars for commercials that won't be seen by millions of football fans. This doesn't make a lot of sense, and I would think that they will prove to be the force that resolves this issue.

[caesarbear]

The NFL is swimming in money. They don't need to cave into advertiser demands.

[NatCox]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Squirrel Killer]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

[Crispus]

Green Bay at Dallas
Atlanta at St. Louis
Buffalo at Washington
Detroit at Minnesota
Houston at Tennessee
Jacksonville at Indianapolis
N.Y. Jets at Miami
San Diego at Kansas City
Seattle at Philadelphia
San Francisco at Carolina
Cleveland at Arizona
Denver at Oakland
N.Y. Giants at Chicago
Tampa Bay at New Orleans
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
New England at Baltimore

Edit - Just heard Haynesworth will be playing for Tennessee, so I'm switching to them from Houston

[Lorini]

The NFL is swimming in money. They don't need to cave into advertiser demands.

Um but they are swimming in money because they caved into advertiser demands :). That's what Pete Rozelle's legacy is, changing the game to suit TV and its corporate sponsors. You can't think that the NFL gets most of its money directly from fans? No way could the stadium gate alone pay for the salaries of the NFL players.

So yeah, eventually the sponsors will want to see this resolved. My bet is at the end of the year and that cable wins.

[Talisker]

If they could resolve the issues with the Big Ten Network at the same time, that'd be great.

[caesarbear]

You can't think that the NFL gets most of its money directly from fans?
Maybe not directly, but yes. I'd guess NFL Properties, Inc & NFL Films generates more revenue than the already lucrative TV rights.

[theKevin]

Wisconsin am sad. :-(

[Not One Of Us]

Fuck the Cowboys and their bought-off refs, fuck em.

[Talisker]

====== preliminary week 13 computed results ======

1. contrarybear 12-3 NE

2. Cronox 11-4 NE

3. Andrew Myers 10-5 NE
3. BennyProfane 10-5 NE
3. Crispus 10-5 NE
3. Rimbo 10-5 NE
3. Sarkus 10-5 NE
3. Shmtur 10-5 NE
3. theKevin 10-5 NE

10. caesarbear 9-6 NE
10. Desslock 9-6 NE
10. Mark Crump 9-6 NE
10. Matt Perkins 9-6 NE
10. sluggo 9-6 NE
10. Squirrel Killer 9-6 NE

16. Alan Dunkin 8-7 NE
16. Bill Dungsroman 8-7 NE
16. Charlatan 8-7 NE
16. Greedo 8-7 NE
16. Kid Socrates 8-7 NE
16. Not One Of Us 8-7 BAL
16. Robert Sharp 8-7 NE
16. Uncle Larry 8-7 NE

24. balut 7-8 NE
24. BlueJackalope 7-8 NE
24. Juan Rayo 7-8 NE
24. Lorini 7-8 NE
24. NatCox 7-8 NE
24. shadarr 7-8 NE
24. Slainte Mhath 7-8 NE

31. Nick Walter 6-9 NE
31. Ryan A 6-9 NE
31. SolomonGrundy 6-9 NE
31. Troy S Goodfellow 6-9 NE

35. Contrai 5-10 BAL
35. yurislave 5-10 NE

37. BaconTastesGood 0-0
37. Cosmic Hippo 0-0
37. delirium 0-0
37. ElGuapo 0-0
37. jeffd 0-0
37. Ryan Markel 0-0
37. Supersport 0-0
37. Taranis 0-0
37. TheRock 0-0


====== preliminary week 13 computed season totals ======

1. Rimbo 130-61 (68%) NE
1. Robert Sharp 130-61 (68%) NE

3. Sarkus 129-62 (68%) NE

4. Andrew Myers 126-65 (66%) NE

5. contrarybear 125-66 (65%) NE
5. Crispus 125-66 (65%) NE

7. caesarbear 123-68 (64%) NE
7. Slainte Mhath 123-68 (64%) NE
7. Troy S Goodfellow 123-68 (64%) NE

10. Alan Dunkin 121-70 (63%) NE

11. Bill Dungsroman 120-71 (63%) NE

12. Shmtur 119-72 (62%) NE

13. Desslock 118-73 (62%) NE

14. Kid Socrates 116-75 (61%) NE
14. Ryan A 116-75 (61%) NE

16. Charlatan 115-76 (60%) NE

17. Nick Walter 111-80 (58%) NE

18. Matt Perkins 110-67 (62%) NE

19. Uncle Larry 110-76 (59%) NE

20. BlueJackalope 110-81 (58%) NE
20. Juan Rayo 110-81 (58%) NE

22. shadarr 109-82 (57%) NE

23. Not One Of Us 108-83 (57%) BAL

24. sluggo 107-68 (61%) NE

25. balut 103-74 (58%) NE

26. Squirrel Killer 100-75 (57%) NE

27. NatCox 100-77 (56%) NE

28. SolomonGrundy 100-91 (52%) NE

29. yurislave 96-95 (50%) NE

30. BennyProfane 92-50 (65%) NE

31. BaconTastesGood 91-69 (57%)

32. Cronox 90-39 (70%) NE

33. Greedo 90-69 (57%) NE

34. Taranis 86-60 (59%)

35. Mark Crump 80-49 (62%) NE

36. Lorini 77-52 (60%) NE

37. Contrai 74-101 (42%) BAL

38. Ryan Markel 53-36 (60%)

39. delirium 43-30 (59%)
39. Supersport 43-30 (59%)

41. TheRock 38-24 (61%)

42. theKevin 32-29 (52%) NE

43. ElGuapo 28-12 (70%)

44. jeffd 14-14 (50%)

45. Cosmic Hippo 11-19 (37%)

[Rimbo]

====== preliminary week 13 computed results ======
*snip*

Now you're just being silly. ;)

[Talisker]

Now you're just being silly. ;)
Eh, I've been kicking out that report for weeks now, just not posting it all that regularly. I like it 'cause it lets you easily see which of your picks differ from the people above/below you.

[Cronox]

Eh, I've been kicking out that report for weeks now, just not posting it all that regularly. I like it 'cause it lets you easily see which of your picks differ from the people above/below you.

I quite like this too, thanks for posting Andrew.

Speaking of which it was quite interesting to see that Vegas line differs from the QT3 consensus on 9 out of 15 picks (not including the GB/DAL game which was split 50/50).

[Ryan A]

Last night's game had the worst case of outcome-determined-by-bad-officiating since Superbowl 40.

[Talisker]

Last night's game had the worst case of outcome-determined-by-bad-officiating since Superbowl 40.
... not that anybody knows about it, since hardly anybody could watch the stupid game.

[CounterMeasure]

I was commenting to my wife last night on how we have sunk so low, as we had to resort to watching the Game Update page on NFL.com to get our Cowboy's fix.

"Oh look, it updated, let's see. Awesome! Cowboys picked up 40 yards on defensive pass interference."

But I do have to admit that little drive graphic that use is really neat technology.

Even as a Cowboy's fan, I still don't see why people think T.O. is so good. He's more volatile than good. Some nights he does what he is paid to do, other nights, he lets bad things happen, like interceptions in the end zone happen when he fails to catch a ball thrown right at him.

ESPN has another article talking about "the combo of Tony Romo and Terrell Owens", but I starting to believe the more solid combo is Romo and Whitten. Whitten may not be as glamorous catching the ball, but he is definitely more solid at making the catch and picking up a first down.

[BennyProfane]

Last night's game had the worst case of outcome-determined-by-bad-officiating since Superbowl 40.

I had to quit watching at the end of the third quarter. What happened that has people so upset?

[Alan Dunkin]

My take is the forward-momentum-stopped-fumble-strip call/non-call in the first quarter regarding Terrell Owens (I was listening and didn't see the play but apparently his forward momentum was not stopped before getting the ball stripped), and I guess a pass interference call on a pass to Miles Austin in the 4th where his legs just got tripped up with the defender? Oh and I think there was an obvious hold on a long Cowboys run that ended up not getting called.

--- Alan

[Squirrel Killer]

I had to quit watching at the end of the third quarter. What happened that has people so upset?
Packer defenders are supposed to be able to trip Cowboy receivers without some bogus "pass interference" call.

[caesarbear]

I was commenting to my wife last night on how we have sunk so low, as we had to resort to watching the Game Update page on NFL.com to get our Cowboy's fix.

... not that anybody knows about it, since hardly anybody could watch the stupid game.

Um guys, it was freely available to watch online at NFL.com

[caesarbear]

Packer defenders are supposed to be able to trip Cowboy receivers without some bogus "pass interference" call.
The ball was clearly uncatchable as well.

[Squirrel Killer]

The ball was clearly uncatchable as well.
Austin faceplanted on the five, the ball hit the turf in front of him on the three.

[caesarbear]

Austin faceplanted on the five, the ball hit the turf in front of him on the three.
I don't remember it being that close, you have a vid clip?

[Squirrel Killer]

I don't remember it being that close, you have a vid clip?
nfl.com, the "Digging Dallas" video on the front page, at 2:40. Keep in mind the "clearly" part of the clearly uncatchable rule. I'm not saying Austin would have caught it, just that I think it's a stretch to say that it was clearly uncatchable. I've seen more spectacular catches.

[caesarbear]

nfl.com, the "Digging Dallas" video on the front page, at 2:40. Keep in mind the "clearly" part of the clearly uncatchable rule. I'm not saying Austin would have caught it, just that I think it's a stretch to say that it was clearly uncatchable. I've seen more spectacular catches.
alright, yeah maybe that wasn't clearly uncatchable.

[Talisker]

Um guys, it was freely available to watch online at NFL.com
A) that's the first I heard of that, and
B) like I'm gonna watch a football game on my laptop. Screw that, I'll play Mass Effect instead.

[Alan Dunkin]

Was it freely watchable? From what I understand they only made it live when the ball was in the red zones and they did some live studio thing, which is what they do for every game.

--- Alan

[caesarbear]

Was it freely watchable? From what I understand they only made it live when the ball was in the red zones and they did some live studio thing, which is what they do for every game.
The studio cut in before breaks and for a few segments during the game, but 90% of the match was live.

[Jon Rowe]

What a game for the pack. I don't think that game could have went any better than it did. I mean, we almost beat the cowboys with a team full of injured defensive leaders and with our QB going out before the half.

I have always had faith in Rodgers. I cannot wait for the conference championship game!

[Michael Fortson]

Incidental contact and all, but if you're unlucky enough to have put your hands on the guy right when the incidental contact occurs, regardless of why he fell you're sort of screwed.

It's not like G.B. demonstrated much of an ability to stop them anyway. I'm not convinced the outcome wouldn't have been the same (albeit closer) with both big calls reversed -- they were on a roll in the interference-call drive, it just came faster. Hell, if T.O. doesn't lateral the ball to the defender in the end-zone (hilarious) it's already another 7 points the other way. G.B. was outplayed this time, and injuries played a big part of it (Rodgers was impressive though). The next one should be a screamer.

[Jon Rowe]

Incidental contact and all, but if you're unlucky enough to have put your hands on the guy right when the incidental contact occurs, regardless of why he fell you're sort of screwed.

It's not like G.B. demonstrated much of an ability to stop them anyway. I'm not convinced the outcome wouldn't have been the same (albeit closer) with both big calls reversed -- they were on a roll in the interference-call drive, it just came faster. Hell, if T.O. doesn't lateral the ball to the defender in the end-zone (hilarious) it's already another 7 points the other way. G.B. was outplayed this time, and injuries played a big part of it (Rodgers was impressive though). The next one should be a screamer.


I cannot wait till I can actually watch this matchup (screw NFL network) I am 90% sure that game, the conference game is going to be way more exciting than the superbowl. Playing the patriots won't be that exciting. (Though I think if there is one team in the NFL that can beat them, it is the packers)

[Michael Fortson]

Dallas can beat the Patriots (which doesn't mean they will), provided their head coach doesn't again get the brilliant idea that the key to beating them is "stopping the run". I mean wtf... hopefully the Philly game was a clue.

[Jon Rowe]

Dallas can beat the Patriots (which doesn't mean they will), provided their head coach doesn't again get the brilliant idea that the key to beating them is "stopping the run". I mean wtf... hopefully the Philly game was a clue.

Anyone can beat the Patriots. Anything can really happen. Dallas and Green Bay are the top 2 teams to do it. If Green Bay is beaten by Dallas in the playoffs, I can still root for the cowboys. I grew up about 50 miles from where Tony Romo play high school ball. Go Wisconsin!

[Alan Dunkin]

Despite the fact that I picked Washington and lost, I can't help but laugh at how they lost the game--Buffalo has it on the Wash 33, Wash attempts to ice the kicker, but calls two consecutive time outs and gets called for unsportsmanlike, the ball gets moved fifteen yards and Buffalo nails the FG to win. That's just too funny.

I also think today might have broken the overall one-day record for the most interceptions--there were assloads of them all over.

--- Alan

[Bill Dungsroman]

Andy Reid refused to heed the old adage "Kick Early and Go For It Late."

Eagles had first and goal at the end of the first half. It's 21-17 Seahawks at that point. They make it to 3rd and goal on the 1, but Westbrook is denied on 3rd down. Instead of kicking the easy FG, they try for the TD and fail.

End of the second half, they're down 28-24. They get the ball back under the two minute warning, having burned all their TOs in order to do so. Westbrook gets them awesome field position thanks to his punt return to around the 20. But they can't just run it up the middle and then kick the easy winning FG, can they? They'd only be losing by 1 point if they'd gotten the easy FG earlier. Feeley tries to force it into the middle, where Lofa Tatupu has already picked off Feeley twice today...and Tatupu picks him off again, game over.

[Sarkus]

Andy Reid refused to heed the old adage "Kick Early and Go For It Late."


I agree, though the announcers did have a valid point when they noted that Philly is at the point where they have to start taking chances if they have any hope of making the playoffs this year. In that context, the conventional wisdom has be be set aside.

I find it interesting that Seattle's defense isn't getting much credit. Yeah, they give up yards and look unremarkable in many areas, and yet they are near the top of the league in terms of points allowed. I actually felt pretty confident as the game progressed that their defense would not give up any more points.

[Talisker]

Wow, Lovie Smith almost stole a touchdown from the Giants. They gotta start blowing the whistle when a timeout is called or the challenge flag is thrown -- all this HA HA YOUR PLAY DIDN'T HAPPEN shit is just stupid.

(also -- updated prelim results (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1169094&postcount=67))

[forgeforsaken]

So Miami, today was their most winnable game left for the season I think. It's starting to look like they really may go 0-16. At this point do you even wait until the end of the season to fire Cam Cameron?

[Uncle Larry]

The Saints make me want to put a motherfucking gun in my mouth.

HOW?!?!?! do you fucking lose that game?

[Sarkus]

So Miami, today was their most winnable game left for the season I think. It's starting to look like they really may go 0-16. At this point do you even wait until the end of the season to fire Cam Cameron?

I guess it's possible he'll be blamed, but really, has the team quit on him? To me it looks like he got stuck with a declining roster and got killed by injuries. If you fire him he hardly got a decent shot at being successful.

[Sarkus]

If my quick calculations are right, Rimbo caught Robert this week and I'm one game behind (tonight and tomorrow are all picked the same).

[forgeforsaken]

I guess it's possible he'll be blamed, but really, has the team quit on him? To me it looks like he got stuck with a declining roster and got killed by injuries. If you fire him he hardly got a decent shot at being successful. Well, they need to win at least some games. They are on track to having the worst record of all time. If they go 0-16 he's fired. They have to play Buffalo and New England on the road, those are both going to be hard for Miami to win. Then they get Baltimore and Cincinatti at home, it's possible they can win one of those two but they had the Jets at home today and got smoked.

[Talisker]

If my quick calculations are right, Rimbo caught Robert this week and I'm one game behind (tonight and tomorrow are all picked the same).
Looks that way (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1169094&postcount=67), yup :)

[Robert Sharp]

Yeah, I had a really bad week. A lot of strange things happened to contribute to it, but the bottom line is that I blew it!

And Sean Payton should be fired for that call. That was horrid.

[theKevin]

My solid 9-5 week has moved me back into an overall winning record.

[Bill Dungsroman]

I agree, though the announcers did have a valid point when they noted that Philly is at the point where they have to start taking chances if they have any hope of making the playoffs this year. In that context, the conventional wisdom has be be set aside.
But...they essentially lost the game because of it. Also, it's not like like kicking a FG to only be one point behind is laying up or playing it overly safe. A dumb decision is still a dumb decision. That's like saying Philly should always go for TDs instead of kicking FGs, which just isn't smart no matter where they stand for the season.


I find it interesting that Seattle's defense isn't getting much credit. Yeah, they give up yards and look unremarkable in many areas, and yet they are near the top of the league in terms of points allowed. I actually felt pretty confident as the game progressed that their defense would not give up any more points.
Well, 12th overall is technically near the top, yes, but it isn't like top 5 or anything. Still, they are playing well enough to easily make the playoffs and win at least one playoff game, I think, if not more.

[Sarkus]

Well, 12th overall is technically near the top, yes, but it isn't like top 5 or anything. Still, they are playing well enough to easily make the playoffs and win at least one playoff game, I think, if not more.

Where do you get 12th overall? I'm talking about average points allowed, where they are 4th overall going into this weekend. Since the game is determined by points, not yards, I'm inclined to think it's a more important indicator of how good a defense is when it comes to wins and losses.

[caesarbear]

damnit, I lost the title of best c-bear.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Where do you get 12th overall? I'm talking about average points allowed, where they are 4th overall going into this weekend. Since the game is determined by points, not yards, I'm inclined to think it's a more important indicator of how good a defense is when it comes to wins and losses.
It is, I'm an idiot. I was looking at their offense, points scored. And yes, I definitely agree with you that their D should be getting more press for it.

[Not One Of Us]

There were three ref-firing worthy bad calls made in the Browns/Cards game; thankfully, the bad call in our favor won the game for us.

[Elton]

I won the week!

I'd just like to note that I haven't gotten to see one minute of NFL action this year, which without a doubt contributes to my surprisingly decent picking record. Actually watching games would bias my picks in a bad direction (I'm no football genius) and take me away from my super-simple system.

[Talisker]

Actually watching games would bias my picks in a bad direction (I'm no football genius) and take me away from my super-simple system.
What's your system? :)

[Elton]

What's your system? :)

Ha ha ... I actually put it in my previous post, then edited it out. Here's the algorithm I've used this year (except for some disastrous gut-feeling picks):

1) Always pick New England.
2) Usually pick against the Browns (my hometown team). This hedges my emotional bets (and they've made me pay this year by being unusually good).
3) Compare the DVOAs on footballoutsiders.com. They claim home field advantage is worth about 17 points of DVOA. If it's close, pick the home team.

I end up picking home teams more than anybody else (sometimes to my detriment).

[Rimbo]

The Saints make me want to put a motherfucking gun in my mouth.

HOW?!?!?! do you fucking lose that game?

By playing the best defense in the NFC.

[Troy S Goodfellow]

This week killed me. Wow.

Troy

[Slainte Mhath]

Damn this week! I've been going steadily downhill for the past three weeks in a row now. Ouch.

Man, officiating in the NFL is either at an all time low, or these guys just got away with a lot of bad calls for years because we didn't have the technology to catch them at it before now. Of course, it doesn't help matters that so many game changing calls are "official's judgement" and thus unreviewable, or that coaches can call a TO or throw a flag and try to erase a play. I predict that within a decade officiating in NFL games will all be done by computers using digital replay analysis technology and laser sensors embedded in the ball, the field and the uniforms.

[Alan Dunkin]

Yeah I blew it this week too.

As for officiating, I think Willie Parker's turnover massacre last night were almost all very close either way, though like 3 of them were overturned.

I think the Cleveland one, the push out of bounds at the end, could have been pretty close and in real life it certainly would have looked like he was leaping out of bounds anyway, but... yeah the unreviewable notion because of "official's judgement" can really be hurtful.

--- Alan

[Sarkus]

I think the Cleveland one, the push out of bounds at the end, could have been pretty close and in real life it certainly would have looked like he was leaping out of bounds anyway, but... yeah the unreviewable notion because of "official's judgement" can really be hurtful.


I picked Arizona to win that game so I was biased, but even I have to admit that the call could have gone the other way. I hate to say it, but as the last play of the game and potentially turning a victory into a loss for the home team, my guess is that the officials were inclined to spend less time then they might otherwise have seeing if he was in bounds. If that play was in the third quarter, for example, I could very easily have seen them giving it to the Browns.

[Rimbo]

I fear Cronox's 70% selection percentage.

Cronox, how do ya do it?

[Cronox]

My secret is dumb luck, which I am fairly sure is going to run out soon.

Actually I agree that not being able to watch the games (I generally watch about half of one of the early Saturday games and sometimes a bit of the Sunday night and Monday games) helps in not over thinking things. All I see of most teams are highlights and their stats which means I don’t really form a personal opinion on how they are playing, outside of whether they are winning or losing.

Now watch me go 0-16 next week.

[Talisker]

Patriots better get their shit together quick, or we'll be hearing about the fucking '72 Dolphins for the rest of the season.

[Nick Walter]

I've got to say that win or lose the kissy lips that Billick gave to Harrison were absolutely priceless.

[Cronox]

Wow, somebody really wanted that pats to win this game. Timeout on the 4th down stop, penalties all over the place on the last drive, somewhat questionable TD catch.

[Talisker]

====== week 13 computed results ======

1. contrarybear 13-3

2. Cronox 12-4

3. Andrew Myers 11-5
3. BennyProfane 11-5
3. Crispus 11-5
3. Rimbo 11-5
3. Sarkus 11-5
3. Shmtur 11-5
3. theKevin 11-5

10. caesarbear 10-6
10. Desslock 10-6
10. Mark Crump 10-6
10. Matt Perkins 10-6
10. sluggo 10-6
10. Squirrel Killer 10-6

16. Alan Dunkin 9-7
16. Bill Dungsroman 9-7
16. Charlatan 9-7
16. Greedo 9-7
16. Kid Socrates 9-7
16. Robert Sharp 9-7
16. Uncle Larry 9-7

23. balut 8-8
23. BlueJackalope 8-8
23. Juan Rayo 8-8
23. Lorini 8-8
23. NatCox 8-8
23. Not One Of Us 8-8
23. shadarr 8-8
23. Slainte Mhath 8-8

31. Nick Walter 7-9
31. Ryan A 7-9
31. SolomonGrundy 7-9
31. Troy S Goodfellow 7-9

35. yurislave 6-10

36. Contrai 5-11

37. BaconTastesGood 0-0
37. Cosmic Hippo 0-0
37. delirium 0-0
37. ElGuapo 0-0
37. jeffd 0-0
37. Ryan Markel 0-0
37. Supersport 0-0
37. Taranis 0-0
37. TheRock 0-0

[Talisker]

====== week 13 computed season totals ======

1. Rimbo 131-61 (68%)
1. Robert Sharp 131-61 (68%)

3. Sarkus 130-62 (68%)

4. Andrew Myers 127-65 (66%)

5. contrarybear 126-66 (66%)
5. Crispus 126-66 (66%)

7. caesarbear 124-68 (65%)
7. Slainte Mhath 124-68 (65%)
7. Troy S Goodfellow 124-68 (65%)

10. Alan Dunkin 122-70 (64%)

11. Bill Dungsroman 121-71 (63%)

12. Shmtur 120-72 (63%)

13. Desslock 119-73 (62%)

14. Kid Socrates 117-75 (61%)
14. Ryan A 117-75 (61%)

16. Charlatan 116-76 (60%)

17. Nick Walter 112-80 (58%)

18. Matt Perkins 111-67 (62%)

19. Uncle Larry 111-76 (59%)

20. BlueJackalope 111-81 (58%)
20. Juan Rayo 111-81 (58%)

22. shadarr 110-82 (57%)

23. sluggo 108-68 (61%)

24. Not One Of Us 108-84 (56%)

25. balut 104-74 (58%)

26. Squirrel Killer 101-75 (57%)

27. NatCox 101-77 (57%)

28. SolomonGrundy 101-91 (53%)

29. yurislave 97-95 (51%)

30. BennyProfane 93-50 (65%)

31. Cronox 91-39 (70%)

32. BaconTastesGood 91-69 (57%)
32. Greedo 91-69 (57%)

34. Taranis 86-60 (59%)

35. Mark Crump 81-49 (62%)

36. Lorini 78-52 (60%)

37. Contrai 74-102 (42%)

38. Ryan Markel 53-36 (60%)

39. delirium 43-30 (59%)
39. Supersport 43-30 (59%)

41. TheRock 38-24 (61%)

42. theKevin 33-29 (53%)

43. ElGuapo 28-12 (70%)

44. jeffd 14-14 (50%)

45. Cosmic Hippo 11-19 (37%)

[caesarbear]

Wow, somebody really wanted that pats to win this game. Timeout on the 4th down stop, penalties all over the place on the last drive, somewhat questionable TD catch.
Let's drop the conspiracy theory bs please.

The Pats didn't deserve that win. I don't know where to put the blame, whether on Billick or the players, but wow, what a meltdown.

[Talisker]

Never seen a kickoff from that close before, dang. Scott looked like he was going to go deck the official if it weren't for his teammates dragging him off.

[Cronox]

Let's drop the conspiracy theory bs please.

By “somebody” I actually meant a higher power/fate type of thing rather than any conspiracy, sorry for not being clearer.

[spence]

What a game. I though the TD looked pretty good from the angles they showed but that Ravens time out on the Pat's 4th down was awful.

[Michael Fortson]

Fucking time-out. Oh my god.

[Talisker]

What a bunch of crybabies.

"I didn't hear a timeout. That was very convenient."

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-4-47/Ravens--The-fix-was-in-for-Patriots.html

[caesarbear]

To add to the controversy, by rule Rex Ryan shouldn't be able to call a timeout.