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David Hellman
10-23-2007, 01:07 PM
So apparently on Friday (Oct. 19), NBC informed Mike Gravel that he's not invited to the next debate (Oct. 30) because his campaign hasn't met certain milestones. These requirements allegedly were never announced before; they were only provided as justifications concurrently with the decision to exclude Gravel.

The conditions are: campaign in Iowa and/or New Hampshire at least 14 times in the past year, poll at least 5% and raise $1 million. Gravel says he's achieved the first two and questions the wisdom of the third.

Here's Gravel's Huffinton Post editorial (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-mike-gravel/why-nbc-and-the-dnc-want-_b_69397.html) about it. He believes they're deliberately targeting him.

I resist jumping to conclusions about these things, but I can say the debates are generally full of crap and I will miss Gravel's presence.


EDIT: On a similar note, did anyone notice that in the August CNN/YouTube debate (and possibly others), every time Gravel talked, the producers cut to a super-close-up of his face that made him look totally crazy? Obviously someone said to a camera guy "I want you to shoot Gravel tight, try to get his eyes glinting with madness!" The only other instance of that shot was one time on Edwards. But Gravel got it like every time.

Jason McCullough
10-23-2007, 01:27 PM
They deliberately target every crank. It's fair!

Kyle Wilson
10-23-2007, 05:26 PM
Can't they just let the other candidates vote one person out of the debates each episode? I think that would liven things up.

Anti-Bunny
10-23-2007, 05:31 PM
NBC is calling the shots, apparently. And by NBC, I mean Cheney.

Quaro
10-23-2007, 05:46 PM
5% is a reasonable cutoff, is he really polling that high?

Phil_Stein
10-23-2007, 06:57 PM
No. He's in the 1% range (according to the nationwide poll linked from the article). The claim is that since others (Biden, Dodd, Kucinich) are at ~1% as well, it's all cool.

But those other 3 have polled higher in the past, and presumably have more money raised as well.

Aeon221
10-23-2007, 07:46 PM
Can't they just let the other candidates vote one person out of the debates each episode? I think that would liven things up.

That would be so far beyond awesome that I cannot even conceive of it.

edit: let the audience do it!

Athryn
10-24-2007, 12:24 PM
It just struck me now, I wonder if this move isn't more to keep Colbert out of the debates?

Lum
10-24-2007, 12:34 PM
Honestly, I'd put a minimum of 5% support to attend a debate. Yes, Gravel and Alan Keyes are amusing, but they also count on the free advertising they get in debates to keep their zero-chance-of-success-because-they're-crazy-whackos candidacies alive. No reason why debate organizers should be obliged to play along.

Yes, I'm sure this will irk those Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader voters. But, you know, if you can't muster support of 5% of the electorate, you might not be electable.

RickH
10-24-2007, 12:36 PM
It just struck me now, I wonder if this move isn't more to keep Colbert out of the debates?

It appears an actual Colbert candidacy would violate a number of election laws.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=3766656&page=1