View Full Version : Our Latest Salvo Against Iran...
...is, apparently, inhumanly muscular Spartans. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17599641/)
Javad Shamghadri, cultural adviser to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said the United States tries to “humiliate” Iran in order to reverse historical reality and “compensate for its wrongdoings in order to provoke American soldiers and warmongers” against Iran.
Iran's biggest circulation newspaper, Hamshahri, said ``300'' is ``serving the policy of the U.S. leadership'' and predicted it will ``prompt a wave of protest in the world. ... Iranians living in the U.S. and Europe will not be indifferent about this obvious insult.''
qq more? Last time I checked, Xerxes did actually invade Greece.
The Iranian POV is here (http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8512220430). Never let it be said I am not fair and balanced!
"Cultural intrusion is among the tactics always used by the aliens. Such a fabrication of culture and insult to people is not acceptable by any nation or government and we consider this attitude as hostile," Elham said while speaking to reporters during his weekly press briefing here in Tehran on Tuesday.
But this analysis probably says it all (http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_21029.shtml):
In contrast to the reaction in Iran, 300 has earned largely positive reviews in North America, despite multiple decapitations and battlefield carnage.
shift6
03-13-2007, 06:12 PM
Why do the Spartans hate the troops?
MatthewF
03-13-2007, 06:15 PM
Why do the Spartans hate pants?
Rob Beschizza
03-13-2007, 06:25 PM
Modern-day Iranians identifying closely with Persia is a good thing.
Tim Partlett
03-13-2007, 06:43 PM
They make themselves sound deranged with comments like that, but I imagine it's for local consumption.
I've not watched the movie yet, so I'll reserve judgement. I suspect it is an overreaction, but there's already been some criticism of its portrayal of Persians.
I saw this one (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/03/08/arts/EU-A-E-MOV-Greece-300.php) today, from a Greek critic of all people:
"By ancient Persia, they refer to modern Iran — whose soldiers are portrayed as bloodthirsty, underdeveloped zombies"
It also doesn't help that they got hawkish neocon Victor David Hanson to write the forward to the graphic novel. He's often found talking favourably of "humiliating" Iran with some kind of pre-emptive attack over on National Review Online.
The Greek critics seem to mirror most of the critics on this side of the pond - yep, it's a comic book movie, noted.
In 300, the Persians have ninjas. I'm pretty sure this isn't supposed to reflect on latter-day Iran in any way, unless we're trying to imply that Iran has ninjas.
Given that 99% of the people watching the movie will have no idea that Persia is the same country as Iran I don't think it's really meant to program the next generation of warfighters. Unless we plan to subdue Tehran by force of muscle and spear.
I bet you can buy "Valley of the Wolves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Wolves_Iraq)" in Iran just fine, though!
Or maybe that they ninja'ed the nuclear plant drop.
SlyFrog
03-13-2007, 08:00 PM
It's a pity that we can't build a time machine and send these guys, Chavez and the like back in time to a century where they can play their little chest beating statecraft games and kill people. They'd really enjoy it much more than what they have now. These guys were made to clang axes together over the tops of their heads while screaming, "Blood for Iran! Your nation is weak!"
Linoleum
03-13-2007, 08:02 PM
Yeah, awesome lighting aside, the 20 minutes of Security Council resolution voting in slow motion was....a tad boring.
Brian Rucker
03-13-2007, 08:07 PM
Or, "Bring it on!" - AMIRITE?!
id4698
03-13-2007, 08:38 PM
...is, apparently, inhumanly muscular Spartans. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17599641/)
qq more? Last time I checked, Xerxes did actually invade Greece.
The Iranian POV is here (http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8512220430). Never let it be said I am not fair and balanced!
But this analysis probably says it all (http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_21029.shtml):
Not to be a troll (seriously)...but fuck Iran.
I think that it would be idiotic to go to war with them right now...regardless of reasoning. If we think we have an insurgency in Iraq, wait until Iran.
But on the other hand...fuck them, and their idiotic ways. I feel bad for the Persian moderates out there living under that moron government (much like I do us right now, living under Bush).
Last time I checked, Persia actually DID invade Greece. The reasoning was idiotic then as well.
extarbags
03-13-2007, 08:45 PM
It's a pity that we can't build a time machine and send these guys, Chavez and the like back in time to a century where they can play their little chest beating statecraft games and kill people. They'd really enjoy it much more than what they have now. These guys were made to clang axes together over the tops of their heads while screaming, "Blood for Iran! Your nation is weak!"
This thread opened with a quote from an Iranian newspaper about how an over-the-top action movie based on a comic book is a vicious attack on Iran and its people and will surely be met with righteous protest the world over, and that is now the second craziest thing in this thread.
Marcus Walser
03-13-2007, 09:40 PM
You got somethin' against time machines, extarbags?
extarbags
03-13-2007, 09:46 PM
No, just something against wistful musings about using one to send everyone you don't like into the past.
Kyle Wilson
03-13-2007, 11:49 PM
No, just something against wistful musings about using one to send everyone you don't like into the past.
What, you'd rather send them into the future? Then they could travel back riding giant laser-wielding robots to crush us all. Use your head, sport!
extarbags
03-14-2007, 12:01 AM
What, you'd rather send them into the future? Then they could travel back riding giant laser-wielding robots to crush us all. Use your head, sport!
Yeah, but in the past they could fix it so we never existed, and therefore never sent them back, and then WHOOPS the entire fabric of space and time is coming apart.
Morkilus
03-14-2007, 12:24 AM
Ha! Predicted (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=897316&postcount=69), though the source wasn't expected.
No, just something against wistful musings about using one to send everyone you don't like into the past.
It was a pretty good Star Trek episode (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/All_Our_Yesterdays), though.
Mordrak
03-14-2007, 01:07 AM
How many Americans would recognize any connection between Iran and Persia? Does this make Aladdin a pro-Iran film?
Jakub
03-14-2007, 01:11 AM
How many Americans would recognize any connection between Iran and Persia? Does this make Alladin a pro-Iran film?
Beat me to it. Except with the Aladdin part. He's Arab, not Persian.
Mordrak
03-14-2007, 01:31 AM
Beat me to it. Except with the Aladdin part. He's Arab, not Persian.
Huh. There was a big hub bub about the nationality of the Aladdin and the other characters in the film, since Aladdin was persian and the rest of the character's Arab. I guess I reversed it, or there was no controversy. Oops. Supposedly he's Chinese in the original story.
Tim Partlett
03-14-2007, 06:50 AM
The Greek critics seem to mirror most of the critics on this side of the pond - yep, it's a comic book movie, noted.
In 300, the Persians have ninjas. I'm pretty sure this isn't supposed to reflect on latter-day Iran in any way, unless we're trying to imply that Iran has ninjas.
Given that 99% of the people watching the movie will have no idea that Persia is the same country as Iran I don't think it's really meant to program the next generation of warfighters. Unless we plan to subdue Tehran by force of muscle and spear.
I bet you can buy "Valley of the Wolves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Wolves_Iraq)" in Iran just fine, though!
That was a very, very bad movie. Paradise Now, however, was excellent.
I think any adaptation of another country's history, especially by Hollywood, is likely to stir up controversy. The Greeks weren't happy about Alexander either. And the British were outraged when U-571 stole our history.
I don't think it matters that most Americans might not make the connection. For the people who can make the connection, it matters.
SlyFrog
03-14-2007, 07:06 AM
No, just something against wistful musings about using one to send everyone you don't like into the past.
Nonsense, I'm trying to do them a favor. They appear to long for a time when statecraft and diplomacy meant screaming flowery things about your enemy, while verifying your desire to bath in their blood.
I'm willing to be fair, you can send Bush back with them. I just think they would all be happier in, say, 1100 A.D., where they could stand in front of people and screaming things like, "For church and god, smite these heathens and salt their lands!"
Flowers
03-14-2007, 07:16 AM
Nonsense, I'm trying to do them a favor. They appear to long for a time when statecraft and diplomacy meant screaming flowery things about your enemy, while verifying your desire to bath in their blood.
I'm willing to be fair, you can send Bush back with them. I just think they would all be happier in, say, 1100 A.D., where they could stand in front of people and screaming things like, "For church and god, smite these heathens and salt their lands!"
So...you'll be going too I take it?
DeepT
03-14-2007, 07:46 AM
I am not so sure I think it is fair to credit Iran with being the Persian empire. Sure they were part of it, and maybe the only part left, but they hardly constituted the whole empire.
It is kind of like saying if in 400 years the mid-west is the only part of the united states left, that the people there refer to it as having been the united states of old. Sure they were part of it, but they were never the united states of old no more then Iran is the Persia of old.
Besides, we should tell Iran that the guys in that movie represent how well built the average American is, and they should really re-consider pissing us off. Maybe we will send 400, troops instead of 300 like the Spartans did.
Nellie
03-14-2007, 08:10 AM
And the S*n/Daily Mail was outraged when U-571 stole our history.
I seem to recall the film giving the actual guys still alive who took part in the real events cameos in the film
Brian Rucker
03-14-2007, 08:17 AM
It is kind of like saying if in 400 years the mid-west is the only part of the united states left, that the people there refer to it as having been the united states of old. Sure they were part of it, but they were never the united states of old no more then Iran is the Persia of old.
Come on, they already believe they're the only real Americans. Ever heard the term "heartland"?
SlyFrog
03-14-2007, 09:18 AM
So...you'll be going too I take it?
I don't want to follow you into olden times batshit insane land (or at least pretend batshit insane land). You've got the fake, flowery prose to win admirers and women thing down much better than I. It will serve you well there.
Good luck! Say hi to my 22nd removed great-grandfather!
Glenn
03-14-2007, 10:24 AM
The real question for the conspiracy-minded is why The Neocons chose to produce this movie in league with The Homosexual Agenda. Koontz, if you're reading this (and I know you are), get on it.
MikeSofaer
03-14-2007, 12:01 PM
No, just something against wistful musings about using one to send everyone you don't like into the past.
Chaves is a good man, Mr Frog. He works for the People. extarbags is very disappointed in you.
Lizard_King
03-14-2007, 12:24 PM
Chaves is a good man, Mr Frog. He works for the People. extarbags is very disappointed in you.
Nice catch. I almost missed why he was all riled up.
extarbags
03-14-2007, 12:33 PM
You caught me!
Lizard_King
03-14-2007, 01:02 PM
Yes he did!
shift6
03-14-2007, 05:42 PM
In 300, the Persians have ninjas. I'm pretty sure this isn't supposed to reflect on latter-day Iran in any way, unless we're trying to imply that Iran has ninjas.
To combat the nin-jews, AMIRITE?
The real question for the conspiracy-minded is why The Neocons chose to produce this movie in league with The Homosexual Agenda. Koontz, if you're reading this (and I know you are), get on it.
It's amazing how his blog tracks statements on QT3, even now. Heheh.
Midnight Son
03-14-2007, 06:06 PM
Did the Spartans have steroids? Sho looks like it!
Aszurom
03-14-2007, 06:43 PM
Someone should clue the Iranians in that only 1 in 10,000 people who see the movie in the USA will have a clue that "Persia" is even in the region. They'll probably think it's a suburb of Morocco. They have flying carpets there too, right?
Rimbo
03-14-2007, 06:49 PM
Not to be a troll (seriously)...but fuck Iran.
I think that it would be idiotic to go to war with them right now...regardless of reasoning. If we think we have an insurgency in Iraq, wait until Iran.
I don't think that, if we invaded Iran, it would be in a misguided attempt to "restore Democracy" like we did with Iraq and Afghanistan.
You don't have an "insurgency" if you're not really trying to establish a proper government.
Grifman
03-14-2007, 08:17 PM
I am not so sure I think it is fair to credit Iran with being the Persian empire. Sure they were part of it, and maybe the only part left, but they hardly constituted the whole empire.
It is kind of like saying if in 400 years the mid-west is the only part of the united states left, that the people there refer to it as having been the united states of old. Sure they were part of it, but they were never the united states of old no more then Iran is the Persia of old.
Your analogy is wrong. Persians = Iranians. They naturally weren't the whole empire because empire's are generally a collection peoples/nations. But Persians conquered the various nations/people in the empire and ran the Persian Empire like the Romans conquered and ran the Roman Empire.
The people of the Midwest never conquered the rest of the United States nor did they run it for their own benefit. That's why your analogy fails.
Chris Nahr
03-15-2007, 02:21 AM
Well, technically the really Persian Persians were called Persians because they were from the Persis which is only a part of present-day Iran. They were a tribe of the Iranian (Aryan) people, though, and considered them closer relatives than the other residents of the Persian empire.
Uncle Larry
03-16-2007, 10:26 AM
State-run television has run several commentaries the past two days calling the film insulting and has brought on Iranian film directors to point out its historical inaccuracies.
“The film depicts Iranians as demons, without culture, feeling or humanity, who think of nothing except attacking other nations and killing people,” Ayende-No said in its article Tuesday.
In the next segment they get the historians to scientifically prove the Holocaust was a myth and then the outro credits roll over a cartoon of deformed Jew monsters marauding a village in the west bank.
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