View Full Version : Comedian Joe Rogan calls out "comedian" "Carlos" "Mencia"
Cold Blooded
02-15-2007, 07:44 PM
Detractors of Ned "Carlos Mencia" Holness may enjoy this video of comic Joe Rogan calling him out for being a comedy thief:
"Joe Rogan VS Carlos Mencia ON STAGE!" (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1943040863)
extarbags
02-15-2007, 07:48 PM
I enjoyed that video quite a bit, especially the part where Joe just says to him "nobody likes you." I also quite like that he sucks so bad he has to steal material from other shitty comics. I mean, George Lopez? Key-rist.
tromik
02-15-2007, 09:00 PM
Maybe hell go after Dane Cook next for stealing Louis CK's material (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_xfJZxvto).
Oh wait, he already did (http://media.putfile.com/Joe-Rogan-Exposes-Joke-Thieves)!
Fuck Dane Cook, he's a cunt.
Brendan
02-15-2007, 09:08 PM
Didn't Eddie Murphy build a career by slightly altering and inserting himself into Richard Pryor's material?
Funkman
02-15-2007, 09:11 PM
Didn't Eddie Murphy build a career by slightly altering and inserting himself into Richard Pryor's material?
Probably not. I would say Delirious and Raw stand on their own pretty well.
Raife
02-15-2007, 09:13 PM
Eddie Murphy has always said that he got loads of inspiration from Richard Pryor, and would even do some of Pryor's routine as a kid. Eddie Murphy was funny, though.
extarbags
02-15-2007, 09:14 PM
Maybe hell go after Dane Cook next for stealing Louis CK's material (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_xfJZxvto).
That's more than a little different, though. All of those are more jokes about the same thing than ripped off jokes. In fact, while suffering through the second and third painfully unfunny Louis C.K. bits, both times I thought, "Ok, this time Dane is going to actually say something specific and it's going to be pretty damning," but nope, every time just jokes about the same thing. The Mencia ones are almost word-for-word.
Cosmic Hippo
02-15-2007, 09:21 PM
I love it. After the clip showing that he stole the anti-immigration wall joke, Mencia says to the guy who made the joke, "You're Jewish! A Jewish guy couldn't make that joke!" This from the guy who's always going on about how he's breaking down the barriers between different peoples.
tromik
02-15-2007, 09:25 PM
That's more than a little different, though. All of those are more jokes about the same thing than ripped off jokes. In fact, while suffering through the second and third painfully unfunny Louis C.K. bits, both times I thought, "Ok, this time Dane is going to actually say something specific and it's going to be pretty damning," but nope, every time just jokes about the same thing. The Mencia ones are almost word-for-word.
Yes, because if the words are different, it's not really plagiarism. What are you, a 10 year old girl?
russellmz00
02-15-2007, 09:45 PM
i distinctly remember dennis miller did that wall joke on an hbo new satire show during the '96 or 2000 presidential election about pat buchanon's wall idea. "you're not gonna see my gringo ass out there."
extarbags
02-15-2007, 10:03 PM
Yes, because if the words are different, it's not really plagiarism. What are you, a 10 year old girl?
It's not that, it's that just talking about the same thing isn't plagiarism. Al Franken's The Truth and Richard Clarke's Against All Enemies cover some of the same ground, but that doesn't make the former a ripoff of the latter.
tromik
02-15-2007, 10:34 PM
It's not that, it's that just talking about the same thing isn't plagiarism. Al Franken's The Truth and Richard Clarke's Against All Enemies cover some of the same ground, but that doesn't make the former a ripoff of the latter.
"Cover some of the same ground" is a hell of a lot different than the same jokes with different works. Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff vs. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Gibbersh/"Bad things" vs. Gibberish/Moan. Itchy asshole vs., well, itchy asshole.
extarbags
02-15-2007, 10:36 PM
"Cover some of the same ground" is a hell of a lot different than the same jokes with different works. Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff vs. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Gibbersh/"Bad things" vs. Gibberish/Moan. Itchy asshole vs., well, itchy asshole.
Well, the first and the third are literally different bits about the same thing. The second is more similar, but you know, a few days ago my brother and I replicated that same conversation without having heard either of those bits, so it must not be that god damned specific.
Zylon
02-15-2007, 10:38 PM
Guys, guys. Can't we all just agree that Carlos "I'm going to say 'beaner' every 30 seconds" Mencia is a talentless assclown?
dannimal
02-15-2007, 10:54 PM
Awesome. I don't give a crap about the Ned Holness thing, because he's never denied that's his name, or at least a name he's used for a long time.
But my brother is a burgeoning stand-up, and stealing material is about as bad as you can get. To have HBO pull your special (at least for a while, the claim goes) is not a trivial thing. To be busted repeatedly by your colleagues pretty much ends the story. Regardless of if people are jealous of him, that's not a defense. I'd be jealous if someone got big bank on stolen work, too.
Saying that the jokes he's been accused of stealing (at least the fence one) is ambiguous enough that it can't be attributed to a single source is a cop out. Translation: "I didn't come up with it, by my version is different enough that it's not stealing!" Whatever, dude. The topic is easy enough that I can see multiple comics making jokes and not stealing, but watching Mencia after Ari makes it clear it's a lot more like stealing than just multiple people working from the same story. George Lopez may not want other latino comics to succeed, but that doesn't mean you didn't steal his stuff. Bobby Lee might be low enough on the totem pole to be worried about being able to book work, but that doesn't mean you didn't steal his stuff.
I've never been a fan of Nedlos Holcia, but until now I was ambivalent. Seeing that he's a thief moves him into the avoid pile.
Marsh Davies
02-16-2007, 05:17 AM
Maybe hell go after Dane Cook next for stealing Louis CK's material (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_xfJZxvto).
Oh wait, he already did (http://media.putfile.com/Joe-Rogan-Exposes-Joke-Thieves)!
Fuck Dane Cook, he's a cunt.
Not being familiar with either, who is who on the audio clip? Because the second delivery is funnier, in all instances. Is that the original or not?
Kyle Wilson
02-16-2007, 05:22 AM
Joe Rogan has been banned from the Comedy Store (http://www.joerogan.net/main.php) and has broken up with his agency over the incident. I'm embarrassed that I even know about this, but everyone on the Mixed Martial Arts Underground Forum is talking about it because Joe posts there. Those UFC fans. What a bunch of yentas.
tromik
02-16-2007, 07:07 AM
Not being familiar with either, who is who on the audio clip? Because the second delivery is funnier, in all instances. Is that the original or not?
The original is the first one, by Louis CK. Should be pointed out that that was Louis CK trying out material in 2001, and that was Cook's album from 2004 or 2005.
Matt Perkins
02-16-2007, 07:17 AM
Louis CK is fucking hilarious. Dane Cook is a total joke. As is Mencia.
WarrenM
02-16-2007, 07:22 AM
Cook is funny.
Matt Perkins
02-16-2007, 07:34 AM
Cook is funny. Maybe sometimes, but most of Cook is the following:
<Insert maybe good joke here.>
*Cook poses in some sort of odd way here.*
*Cook now poses in a new pose.*
*repeat*
He's completely retarded. I don't get his "funny" at all. And he's got more ego than anyone else in the business right now and that's horribly impressive.
coryj
02-16-2007, 07:36 AM
<Insert maybe good joke here.>
*Cook poses in some sort of odd way here.*
*Cook now poses in a new pose.*
*repeat*
He's trying to fill the huge void left by Jim Carey not doing this anymore.
Bill Dungsroman
02-16-2007, 07:48 AM
I hate Mencia utterly and fine him perhaps the unfunniest comedian on TV ever but I will say this: right or wrong in this instance, Joe Rogan constantly complains to whomever will listen about comedic theft. He did an interview with Playboy a few years ago, it's at least half of the interview. Everyone's a thief except him, it seems. Too bad nobody's ever heard his standup.
Stroker Ace
02-16-2007, 07:57 AM
I hate Mencia utterly and fine him perhaps the unfunniest comedian on TV ever but I will say this: right or wrong in this instance, Joe Rogan constantly complains to whomever will listen about comedic theft. He did an interview with Playboy a few years ago, it's at least half of the interview. Everyone's a thief except him, it seems. Too bad nobody's ever heard his standup.Do you still like Cook? I remember you looking like him before he was cool.
Bill Dungsroman
02-16-2007, 08:22 AM
Do you still like Cook? I remember you looking like him before he was cool.
Yeah, I thought his first DVD was pretty funny and most of his second one, but he blew up so fast and is now like banging Jessica Simpson and recycling jokes and blah blah blah, not so much anymore.
WarrenM
02-16-2007, 08:26 AM
I saw Rogan do his routine at a local club and he was funny. He's not amazing but he was funny enough that I would pay to see him again...
I was never much of a Rogan fan, even on NewsRadio, but this actually makes me like him a little.
Squirrel Killer
02-16-2007, 09:09 AM
Yeah, I thought his first DVD was pretty funny and most of his second one, but he blew up so fast and is now like banging Jessica Simpson and recycling jokes and blah blah blah, not so much anymore.
I though Tony Romo was banging Simpson.
nKoan
02-16-2007, 09:20 AM
Cook is one of those comedians with a great delivery and I usually laugh cause his delivery is great, but afterwards I always end up saying to myself "That really isn't that funny" or "I've heard that before"
Mencia, on the other hand, annoys the living hell out of me. He is by far the worst comedian out there today, both stand-up and with his show.
Rogan, I used to absolutely hate due to Fear Factor (and it being my only exposure to him). After watching a few specials on Comedy Central, though, I changed my opinion. He is freaking hilarious. I'm also glad he's calling comics out too for this shit. When you see a good comic that can make you laugh, its awesome. Cook and Mencia always come off somewhat as hacks, but I could never pin down why.
Also, early on in his career, Rogan also called out Dennis Leary for stealing jokes from Bill Hicks too. I'm still trying to find a video.
Flowers
02-16-2007, 09:21 AM
Here is what I think happens with some of these stolen jokes.
First, a comedian hears a joke that he thinks is funny and repeats it in a social setting with proper attribution.
Second, the comedian thinks more about the joke and tells it to a couple more friends in a social setting.
Third, the comedian forgets where he heard it.
Fourth, the comedian forgets that he heard it.
Fifth, the comedian tells it in a nonsocial setting thinking it is his original material.
Sixth, someone familiar with the original material makes a note of this startlingly similar joke.
Seventh, inquiry is made or grievance aired by the original teller or an otherwise interested party.
Eighth, the comedian gives either an explanation or apology.
Ninth, the explanation or apology is determined to be satisfactory or unsatisfactory.
Tenth, discussion continues or ends on the subject of the stolen joke.
That's my idea of the life of the unintentional stolen joke. As for intentionally stolen material, the steps are thus;
Oneth, a joke is ripped off.
Twoth, a stolen witticism is repeated for material gain.
Thirth, word gets out about the stolen joke, the original teller hears.
Fourly, SHOWDOWN to the Death at Cezar's Palace, an off the Interstate Piano and Humor Lodge near Quantico, VA.
Matt Perkins
02-16-2007, 09:23 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't call Rogan the funniest man ever or anything, but he is funny doing standup. He does complain a lot about people stealing other peoples sit though. Every time I hear about/from him, it's about someone stealing jokes...
Andrew Mayer
02-16-2007, 09:25 AM
Joe Rogan's agent has dumped him over this.
(http://www.joerogan.net/main.php?archives=1&article=53981)
My agent from the Gersh agency, who is the same guy that represents Carlos, spoke to me on the phone today. He told me that he was being "put in the middle of this thing, and forced to make a choice." He said that Carlos wanted to get on the phone with me and end this once and for all, and get this... wanted an apology.
If I didn't do this, he wanted the Gersh agency to either drop me, or he would leave them.
I told them that was fucking hilarious, and said that it's been fun working with them.My agent from the Gersh agency, who is the same guy that represents Carlos, spoke to me on the phone today. He told me that he was being "put in the middle of this thing, and forced to make a choice." He said that Carlos wanted to get on the phone with me and end this once and for all, and get this... wanted an apology.
If I didn't do this, he wanted the Gersh agency to either drop me, or he would leave them.
I told them that was fucking hilarious, and said that it's been fun working with them.
His website is shockingly ugly.
Flowers
02-16-2007, 09:33 AM
I guess it is nice that Joe Rogan will stand up for people, like a standards and practices board regulating the business of funny for money. I think that if he were a crusader for some type of infected children, people wouldn't complain if he always tried to work in a mention.
So I guess if you remember that comedians are mostly destitute alcoholics forced into vagrancy and cruise ship buffet lines against their will, Joe Rogan is like Will Smith and the robot with feelings from the movie I couldn't focus on because I was trying to maintain my mental picture of Bridget Moynihan. Or I guess you could say he is like that Kennedy who sounds like a lady with advanced Parkinson's disease.
Glenn
02-16-2007, 09:35 AM
Joe Rogan's agent has dumped him over this.
(http://www.joerogan.net/main.php?archives=1&article=53981)I'm surprised the agency chose Mencia over Rogan. Admittedly, Fear Factor isn't called "Joe Rogan's Japanese-Style Torture Show", but that guy's all over the fucking TV.
Stroker Ace
02-16-2007, 09:38 AM
The agent didn't present an ultimatum to Joe. What the did was fail to tell Mencia to piss off. Sounds like they called Joe asking for him to make nice, and he demurred.
Flowers
02-16-2007, 09:44 AM
Joe Rogan's agent must be the stupidest agent on the planet. Joe Rogan and Carlos Mencia get into a public fight. One agent represents both men. A determination that there should be an apology or one of the two men will no longer be represented by the agent.
Am I the only one who grew up in the motherfucking 1980's? I must be, because I am the one asking myself; "What would Don King do?"
Don King would realize that he has lightning in a goddamn bottle, controversy, free publicity, and the ability to negotiate for both of the people who would have to agree to appear on a TV special for either of them to get the full money.
That agent should have immediately gotten on the horn with Comedy Central, HBO, or even fricking Dateline and negotiated the shit out of this fiasco. Who wouldn't want to watch a rematch between these guys? Probably a lot of people, but that's not the point, a lot of people don't like to watch Elvis or see lots of blood, but enough people do that you will never go broke throwing cups of blood on to pictures of Elvis.
I mean, my god, my interest is at it's fucking peak right now. I want to see what happens when two vulgar gentleman are allowed to lay into each other. I want to really get to pick a side. I want to then go see the movie of the guy whose side I chose, based on his appearance on prime time television, because I support him and I go, "boooooo," at the other guy like he's a goddamn pro wrestler.
You know what I might have to read about or watch instead? Lindsey Lohan's latest expose of Lindsey Lohan's vagina.
Kunikos
02-16-2007, 10:07 AM
What, do you have something against fire-crotches? XD
foogla
02-16-2007, 10:19 AM
I agree with Flowers 100%. Damn.
Tom Ohle
02-16-2007, 10:56 AM
I'm a big Joe Rogan fan. check YouTube for some of his stand-up, or any small segments from his shows.
Matt Perkins
02-16-2007, 11:04 AM
I agree with Flowers 100%. Damn.
Agreed completely. As a matter of fact, someone should be doing this anyway.
Lunch of Kong
02-16-2007, 11:11 AM
Well, that Who's-Gonna-Build-The-Wall-If-You-Deport-The-Illegal-Aliens joke is something EVERY PERSON WITH AN IQ OVER 100 came up with the moment they heard about it. I mean, didn't you think of the exact same thing when you heard about the wall?
I don't see how something like that can be considered theft.
nKoan
02-16-2007, 11:19 AM
Well, that Who's-Gonna-Build-The-Wall-If-You-Deport-The-Illegal-Aliens joke is something EVERY PERSON WITH AN IQ OVER 100 came up with the moment they heard about it. I mean, didn't you think of the exact same thing when you heard about the wall?
I don't see how something like that can be considered theft.
It also turned out to be true. http://www.readitnews.com/content/view/170/10001/
Scroll down to the California (& Mexico) section.
Still, even if Mencia didn't actively steal the joke from Ari, it doesn't make it funny. Though, it does seem to hit Mencia's target demographic: Stupid people who think they are smarter than average.
VegasRobb
02-16-2007, 12:19 PM
Why would Mencia show up for the HBO special? It's a lose/win but really lose situation for him.
Marcus
02-16-2007, 12:27 PM
http://techdirt.com/articles/20070215/230046.shtml
Kunikos
02-16-2007, 01:23 PM
Still, even if Mencia didn't actively steal the joke from Ari, it doesn't make it funny. Though, it does seem to hit Mencia's target demographic: Stupid people who think they are smarter than average.
... and/or people who think they aren't racist but really are. They really, really are.
Flowers
02-16-2007, 02:02 PM
Why would Mencia show up for the HBO special? It's a lose/win but really lose situation for him.
The muddy pitch has been slung, may as well step into it, take your base and get paid.
snowcrash22
02-16-2007, 02:26 PM
Also, early on in his career, Rogan also called out Dennis Leary for stealing jokes from Bill Hicks too. I'm still trying to find a video.
I remember Rogan trying to get everyone on the Howard Stern show a few years ago fired up about Leary over this. They pulled the tapes and listened to both comics "Jim Fix died of a heart attack" bits. Robin and friends (as I like to call them) thought the similiarity stopped at the subject matter and that bringing up an attack on behalf of a dead comic without Leary present was a little tacky.
Joe agreed to disagree.
Edit: My brother, who I only see a couple times a year tried to get me to watch a Mencia special he had just purcahsed. I went upstairs and took a nap.
Flowers
02-16-2007, 02:30 PM
I can't wait until there's a lawsuit between two major corporations over the derivative nature of insightful comments regarding dog buttholes.
Rimbo
02-16-2007, 02:52 PM
Also, early on in his career, Rogan also called out Dennis Leary for stealing jokes from Bill Hicks too. I'm still trying to find a video.
Rogan isn't the only one who noticed that.
If Bill Hicks hadn't died young... no one would have heard of Dennis Leary.
Rimbo
02-16-2007, 02:56 PM
... and/or people who think they aren't racist but really are. They really, really are.
The fact that Mencia does this while posing as a Mexican (he is German/Honduran) ... I mean, why not just stand up and make jokes in blackface?
Squirrel Killer
02-16-2007, 03:04 PM
The fact that Mencia does this while posing as a Mexican (he is German/Honduran) ... I mean, why not just stand up and make jokes in blackface?
Which part of Mexico is German?
His father, Roberto Holness, is from Honduras, and his mother, Magdelena Mencia, is from Mexico.
EDIT: Actually, apparently that should be, "Which part of Honduras is German?" since the "He's half-German" claim is based on his father's heritage.
extarbags
02-16-2007, 03:07 PM
... and/or people who think they aren't racist but really are. They really, really are.
Yeah that's the crux of it. For some reason Comedy Central always has to have a show like that in their late-night lineup: a show that's racist as hell but that white racists who don't know/want to admit that they're racist can be comfortable with because it's coming from a minority.
nKoan
02-16-2007, 03:09 PM
Which part of Mexico is German?
That conflits with IMDB.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0578788/bio
Carlos Mencia was born on October 22nd 1967 in San Pedro Sula, Honduras. His mother, Magdelena Mencia, is Honduran and his father, Roberto Holness, is German.
Who knows which one is right.
extarbags
02-16-2007, 03:16 PM
When this story first broke, there was a related video on YouTube called "Carlos Mencia Admits He Isn't Mexican," which I couldn't be bothered to watch even though it was only thirty-five seconds long. He's had that taken down as part of the C&D, so the world may never know if that was the definitive proof we were looking for.
Rimbo
02-16-2007, 03:19 PM
Which part of Mexico is German?
EDIT: Actually, apparently that should be, "Which part of Honduras is German?" since the "He's half-German" claim is based on his father's heritage.
"Holness" does not sound like a very Honduran last name to me. My information comes from Joe Rogan's 'blog, so out of three unreliable sources (Rogan, IMDb and Wikipedia) we have two saying German/Honduran and one saying Honduran/Mexican.
Whether or not he's Honduran or Mexican, he's a crude racist.
Squirrel Killer
02-16-2007, 03:30 PM
"Holness" does not sound like a very Honduran last name to me. My information comes from Joe Rogan's 'blog.
So? There are a lot of African-American's with the last name Johnson. Doesn't sound African to me.
Looking at the debate on the Wiki page, it sounds like the "mother/Mexican - father/Honduran" thing came from a Washington Post article, and that Honess/Mencia's great grandfather was from the Cayman Islands.
Actually, you know what, fuck it. There's so much disinformation about his heritage, probably on both sides, that everyone can call him the Queen of England for all I care. But the morons calling him German, with no backing other than "OMG, 'Holness' is a German name!" don't really have a lot of credibility with me.
Glenn
02-16-2007, 03:31 PM
Who the fuck cares? He grew up in a Mexican neighborhood in LA, he's Hispanic, at least in the sense that he's brown enough that I wouldn't bat an eye if I saw him driving a beat up Datsun pick-up overloaded with landscaping waste, and having lived around Mexicans my entire life, I can assure you that it is not really that uncommon for Hispanic kids to have European names.
Let's just stick to criticizing him based on the fact that A) he sucks, 2) he really, really sucks, and C) he's probably a plagiarist.
Rimbo
02-16-2007, 03:33 PM
Actually, you know what, fuck it. There's so much disinformation about his heritage, probably on both sides, that everyone can call him the Queen of England for all I care. But the morons calling him German, with no backing other than "OMG, 'Holness' is a German name!" don't really have a lot of credibility with me.
Well, there are at least two sources quoted so far that are going beyond "OMG, 'Holness' is a German name," so don't be a fuckwit.
Is Flowers Ari Gross in disguise?
WWDKD? Genius!
If I ever need an agent, Flowers, you're hired.
Athryn
02-16-2007, 03:42 PM
The people arguing over Mencia's Mexicanness remind me of those people that claim that Barack Obama isn't really a black American because his father was from Kenya.
Note: Regardless of where he is from, he's still not very funny. I always felt his Comedy Central show was trying to be a edgy hispanic ripoff of the Chappelle show
Squirrel Killer
02-16-2007, 03:42 PM
Well, there are at least two sources quoted so far that are going beyond "OMG, 'Holness' is a German name," so don't be a fuckwit.
Like I said, there's so much disinformation about his heritage, that you'll have to excuse me if I don't take Joe Rogan, who's acting like a petulant little bitch and a normal Internet flaming retard, and IMDB, who contradicts every other source I've seen regarding his mother's ethnicity, as gospel.
Coca Cola Zero
02-16-2007, 03:45 PM
Joe Rogan is funny. He was/is also a fairly hardcore FPS/Quake player.
nKoan
02-16-2007, 04:12 PM
Like I said, there's so much disinformation about his heritage, that you'll have to excuse me if I don't take Joe Rogan, who's acting like a petulant little bitch and a normal Internet flaming retard, and IMDB, who contradicts every other source I've seen regarding his mother's ethnicity, as gospel.
From his own websites forums (which are hilarious to read since it seems like half the people there joined just to troll Carlos), Holness can be traced back to Germany. But, at the very least his grandfather was born in the Cayman Islands, probably of German descent mixed. In my opinion, the influence of the German people must be small, if anything at all, depending on how much the family kept the German culture alive.
In the end, it doesn't really matter to me. If he was full blooded Mexican, it wouldn't make him any funnier. He's still an unfunny charlatan, regardless of genetic makeup. I agree that we should continue to get back to at least bashing him for the fact that he is painfully unfunny.
Post-It
02-16-2007, 04:18 PM
Joe Rogan's agent must be the stupidest agent on the planet. Joe Rogan and Carlos Mencia get into a public fight. One agent represents both men. A determination that there should be an apology or one of the two men will no longer be represented by the agent.
Am I the only one who grew up in the motherfucking 1980's? I must be, because I am the one asking myself; "What would Don King do?"
Don King would realize that he has lightning in a goddamn bottle, controversy, free publicity, and the ability to negotiate for both of the people who would have to agree to appear on a TV special for either of them to get the full money.
That agent should have immediately gotten on the horn with Comedy Central, HBO, or even fricking Dateline and negotiated the shit out of this fiasco. Who wouldn't want to watch a rematch between these guys? Probably a lot of people, but that's not the point, a lot of people don't like to watch Elvis or see lots of blood, but enough people do that you will never go broke throwing cups of blood on to pictures of Elvis.
I mean, my god, my interest is at it's fucking peak right now. I want to see what happens when two vulgar gentleman are allowed to lay into each other. I want to really get to pick a side. I want to then go see the movie of the guy whose side I chose, based on his appearance on prime time television, because I support him and I go, "boooooo," at the other guy like he's a goddamn pro wrestler.
I'd like to just see them in a cage. Joe Rogan is a purple belt under the Machados in BJJ, and a brown under Eddie Bravo; not to mention his many years of TKD and weight lifting. Plus his general MMA training of the past couple of years.
It's part of the reason Mencia doesn't want to be around Rogan; Mencia knows Rogan could snap him in two.
Shadarr
02-16-2007, 05:43 PM
Joe may not be an especially funny comedian, but from what I've seen he's a really cool guy. And whether or not Joe's funny doesn't affect Mencia being even less funny and a plagiarist. I would pay money to see them fight.
Gary Whitta
02-16-2007, 06:09 PM
I've hung out with Rogan a few times (he is, as previously stated, hard-core into PC shooters) and I can confirm that he is very nice guy. Since plagiarism is one of the greatest evils known to man, I admire the stand he's taking on this. I love it when plagiarists are exposed.
Mike O'Malley
02-16-2007, 06:43 PM
To be fair, you love it when anyone is exposed.
Flowers
02-16-2007, 07:27 PM
And with that remark, the internet drew to a close.
BaconTastesGood
02-16-2007, 07:27 PM
I'd like to just see them in a cage. Joe Rogan is a purple belt under the Machados in BJJ, and a brown under Eddie Bravo; not to mention his many years of TKD and weight lifting. Plus his general MMA training of the past couple of years.
I'm thinking the Tap Out* hoodie he was wearing was adding to the aura.
* Which I also wear, but I'm not as bug-eyed intimidating.
** We should talk about martial arts again in that other thread! Wheee!
Rogan also believes we never landed on the moon.
Penn had him debate Phil Plait (http://www.badastronomy.com) sometime last week. It was pretty cool because Plait pretty much pwned Rogan.
Harkonis
02-17-2007, 07:39 AM
Interesting also to me was the history of people of German descent in Central America. A large % of them were WWII Nazi's who escaped to CA to avoid getting in trouble. Would be pretty hilarious if the anti-rascist rascist 'mexican' was the descendant of a Nazi who fled to Honduras and married a local. ;) Just a what if.
I agree that Joe Rogan can be a complete dick. I also agree that he can be uninformed (ala the moon landing thing). However when it comes to comedian stealing joke issues, he's done his homework and is spot on. He's a very intelligent person with a few negative issues.
Bill Dungsroman
02-17-2007, 07:49 AM
I heard that Stern show segment with Rogan and Leary and Hicks. Same subject matter, different jokes. Oh, what, because Hicks smokeD and drank Leary is a thief? Yeah, whatever.
Menzo
02-17-2007, 08:23 AM
Are we sure this whole thing isn't a big publicity stunt by both of them anyway?
Flowers
02-17-2007, 08:26 AM
It's been going on for years, but no. We are not sure.
Marcus
02-17-2007, 09:29 AM
http://www.break.com/index/bobby_lee_responds.html
Glenn
02-17-2007, 10:14 AM
http://www.break.com/index/bobby_lee_responds.html
tansuperman says:
who really cares?:
NOBODY YOU A HOLES AINT DANE COOK SO WHO CARE ABOUT YOUR FUED WITH THE COMMENTARY FROM UFC GUY. SUFI NATION
Bill Dungsroman
02-17-2007, 12:00 PM
Are we sure this whole thing isn't a big publicity stunt by both of them anyway?
Because Rogan is famous for this and it ain't exactly great publicity for Mencia to be accused of comedic theft.
Rogan appears to be a very serious fan of the art of comedy. Every interview or segment I've seen him on really makes it clear that he takes an almost academic interest in the subject. He was on Last Comic Standing(or perhaps a knockoff of that) as a judge and he was by far the best judge. There'd be an idiot who would say "I thought it was(n't) funny!", an old guy who would complain if the act "was too blue", and then Rogan would break down the act like joke for joke.
I personally don't like his act that much(though he was good on Newsradio), but I'm a massive fan of Joe Rogan the person. Also, fuck Carlos Mencia.
Qenan
02-17-2007, 01:26 PM
Probably a lot of people, but that's not the point, a lot of people don't like to watch Elvis or see lots of blood, but enough people do that you will never go broke throwing cups of blood on to pictures of Elvis.
Great sentence in an otherwise boring thread.
Shadarr
02-17-2007, 03:14 PM
I personally don't like his act that much(though he was good on Newsradio), but I'm a massive fan of Joe Rogan the person.
That story he told about the party where a guy found out his date was a porn star was possibly the greatest blog post in the history of the internet.
That story he told about the party where a guy found out his date was a porn star was possibly the greatest blog post in the history of the internet.
Linky?
Sarkus
02-17-2007, 05:10 PM
Interesting also to me was the history of people of German descent in Central America. A large % of them were WWII Nazi's who escaped to CA to avoid getting in trouble.
That's not true. A number of german's did go to central and south america after WW2 but that was because there were already large german communties in place. The earlier germans had not integrated but had set up seperate communities where they still spoke german and maintained cultural ties to Germany. For germans fleeing imagined or real threats of arrest in post-war Germany it was an easy place to hide. However, the vast majority of germans in these countries were pre-WW2 immigrants.
That's not true. A number of german's did go to central and south america after WW2 but that was because there were already large german communties in place.
Yep. In Texas and Mexico too. For instance, New Braunfels, Texas, founded in the 1840s by Germans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Braunfels,_Texas
I prefer Rogan over Mencia and Louis C. K over Ryan Reynolds...err, I mean Dane Cook. "I have a peach! Look at my peach. LOOK AT IT!"
Shadarr
02-19-2007, 02:08 AM
Linky?
Linky (http://www.joerogan.net/main.php?archives=1&article=48246).
wumpus
02-19-2007, 02:42 AM
possibly the greatest blog post in the history of the internet
Maybe if you're Howard Stern. I want my two minutes back.
Although there are boobs, so that partially mitigates.
Cosmic Hippo
02-19-2007, 06:44 AM
WWDKD?And taking this quote out of context...
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/7580/donkeykongko6.gif
True story!
Post-It
02-22-2007, 03:40 PM
Rogan is a pretty regular poster on the big MMA board on the net and put this up there.
http://joerogan.net/audio/Joe_Rogan_About_Mencia_2.mp3
I saw a video of Cook once. I don't get it. Watching him is akin to listening to country music to me. It's music, but it doesn't make me want to dance or sing along.
Harkonis
02-24-2007, 07:03 PM
http://www.digg.com/offbeat_news/Carlos_Mencia_banned_from_the_Mikey_Radio_Show_Cau ght_using_a_stolen_bit
A funny turn of events now
Bob Violence
02-24-2007, 07:27 PM
Rogan is a pretty regular poster on the big MMA board on the net and put this up there.
http://joerogan.net/audio/Joe_Rogan_About_Mencia_2.mp3
I thought this said "NMA board" and was disappointed that it didn't. :(
Ryan A
02-24-2007, 07:38 PM
Check out Rogan's blog (http://joerogan.net/main.php) for some hilarious pictures of one of the people who sent him myspace hatemail.
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