Game Over for Playstation 3?

[K0NY]

Could it be that piracy will be that final straw that breaks the PS3's back? Apparently, hacker groups are claiming they can play ISOs on a PS3 already. Here's the item:


Internet Release groups says PS3 Backups are Playable, Exploit Found

An internet release group known as 'Paradox' have released a game image of Motorstorm (JAP). Where they have a field saying playable in the NFO file, they say 'Yes they are :)'. In the special notes sections, they also denote 'And a question to all, is there a bug in the system software from the playStation 3(R) Yes there is Nothing to add more..'. Could the PS3 be exploited ALREADY? Perhaps.

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=13068

[Marcus]

If its true it took them a lot longer to crack the PSP then it did this.

[JD]

Could it be that piracy will be that final straw that breaks the PS3's back?
Piracy was actually one of the factors that really helped selling the original Playstation over here. Same goes for the PS2, at least to a certain extent. The point that you could copy or download games increased the system's appeal.

-Julian

[K0NY]

With Sony losing two hundred bucks each time a console is sold, I'm thinking the last thing they need is a reason for people to buy systems without games.

Realistically, what this probably means in the short term is more firmware patching because, apparently, weekly updates aren't frequent enough to keep the pirates out.

[Coca Cola Zero]

It all comes down to how easy/non-frustrating it is to pirate games on a difficulty scale from Dreamcast (very easy) to Xbox 360 (possible, but difficult and inherently problematic due to Live). Just because they've managed to make a disk image doesn't mean PS3 piracy will thrive. But, yeah, the whole "piracy is good because it helps sell systems" rationalization has no place in the PS3 world where Sony is losing so much per hardware unit sold.

[Midnight Son]

Where the games at, anyway?

[Moggraider]

But, yeah, the whole "piracy is good because it helps sell systems" rationalization has no place in the PS3 world where Sony is losing so much per hardware unit sold.


Very true, though the loss won't apply forever, and there are some regions (like the UK, not sure about the rest of the EU) where Sony will be selling the PS3 at a profit. In South America, prices are also very inflated. I have a friend in Brazil who has always pirated all his games (as is the norm there), but who is so loyal to Sony that he's waiting for the PS3.

[dgallina]

Great. How many times can you pirate Resistance? The rest of the launch lineup isn't worth the bother IMHO...

[Geo]

I agree -- if you pirate games nobody wants to play/buy in a forest, does anybody hear it? :)

[Quaro]

Yeah, no kidding.

Sony's best defense would be to make their online service so cool that playing games without it sucks. You can pirate 360 games, but you can't use Live if you do, and what's the point of Gears of War if you can't coop with your pals?

[deepruntramp]

Wouldn't this imply that piracy has an effect on games sales? I'm pretty sure that's still up for debate...

[Thomas Wilde]

I believe the point here is that Sony can't afford to lose much in the way of software sales, especially if this is a firmware hack as opposed to a chip installation.

That said, I don't see how piracy could fail to have an effect on game sales, even if that effect is small.

[stusser]

Of course it'll have an effect, it just depends how easy it is to do it. The best part about this is that nobody can claim they hacked the console to "install linux" or "run homebrew", which nobody does anyway-- they're all pirates.

[DaveC]

This is quite the laundry list - http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543

Once again we can get into the value of anecdotes, but when you see a timeline like this it doesn't look very good. Sometimes companies overestimate customer loyalty or underestimate how hard it is to maintain that goodwill. You are only as good as your last product no matter what industry you are in.

[Drunkagain]

This is quite the laundry list - http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543

That is one ugly year for press.

[MrLipid]

This is quite the laundry list - http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543


And it's some dirty laundry....

[nutsak]

This is quite the laundry list - http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543



What the hell are they thinking with "Dec 21, 2006 - Sony filed a patent for wiimote style hand-held controler (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=%22Sony+Computer%22.AS.&s2=2006&OS=AN/%22Sony+Computer%22+AND+2006&RS=AN/%22Sony+Computer%22+AND+2006) " ?

That's messed up.

[K0NY]

This is quite the laundry list - http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543

That's a list alright. It isn't exactly accurate, but who cares. If it's bad and it's about Sony, let's just take the word of someone on the Gamespot message board and assume it's true. Woohoo...everyone jump on the anti-Sony train!

[Dante Rising (X)]

Looking at the release schedule, Sony should still have a strong 2007 despite their very poor start.

However, as I've mentioned in other topics, I can't see them surpassing the install base of the 360 until mid-2008. That is not good for a company that expected to be nipping at the 360's tail by the middle of 2007. Add Halo 3 into the mix, plus a price drop, and next Christmas may belong to Microsoft.

Can Sony afford to be second or third for two holidays in a row? I'm not sure.

[DaveC]

That's a list alright. It isn't exactly accurate, but who cares. If it's bad and it's about Sony, let's just take the word of someone on the Gamespot message board and assume it's true. Woohoo...everyone jump on the anti-Sony train!

What's not accurate? He's just linking to articles on other sites. Would you care to refute any of the assertions?

[K0NY]

What's not accurate? He's just linking to articles on other sites. Would you care to refute any of the assertions?

It isn't my place to refute the assertions made by all the linked websites. However the list of links isn't accurate.

Nov. 10th, 2005 - Sony is caught hiding a rootkit inside music CD's that place a virus on users computer.
Calling the rights management software a "virus" is wrong.

Feb. 27th, 2006 - Sony misses it's Spring launch date
Sony changes the Japanese launch date to coincide with the previously announced US launch date in November. They didn't miss anything. They changed it to a "global launch." Later, they actually missed the European launch when they pushed it to 2007.

May 31st, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison denies copying the Wiimote and states that the PS3 will replace the PC
He never said the PS3 would replace the PC. That's just false.

October 12th, 2006 - Sony Exec calls the 360 and Wii "too expensive"
The quotes this link provides don't show the exec saying "too expensive" at all. They infer that it's what he must mean then offer words in quotes based on their interpretation.

I hope you see my point. Many of the items on this list are non-issues or non-accurate. The list is designed to paint Sony in a negative light. Though it's easy to do with legitimate gripes, the author tries to go for the jugular by exaggeration and sensationalism. The result is instead a lack of credibility.

[extarbags]

Nov. 10th, 2005 - Sony is caught hiding a rootkit inside music CD's that place a virus on users computer.
Calling the rights management software a "virus" is wrong.

That's right; a rootkit is actually far, far worse than a virus.

[McBain]

Calling the rights management software a "virus" is wrong.

Alright, now you deserve the slagging you get.

[Dave Long]

Dude, the announced a Spring launch and then changed it. They definitely missed their original window.

I'm not even going to touch the rootkit thing. Yer nuts.

[Jonathan Blow]

Calling the rights management software a "virus" is wrong.


It propagates onto any computer into which you insert the disc. That is close enough as far as most people are concerned. It won't make your own computer a new infector, so yeah, it's not exactly a virus, but you are sort of splitting hairs. If they had just said "malware" I don't think the summary of the event would have been significantly different.

You're like Bill Clinton saying that it depends on what the definition of "is" is.



Feb. 27th, 2006 - Sony misses it's Spring launch date
Sony changes the Japanese launch date to coincide with the previously announced US launch date in November. They didn't miss anything. They changed it to a "global launch."


Wow. If you can't see why this statement is completely ridiculous, you have definitely drunk the Sony Kool-Aid. (And at this point, the mass-suicide aspects of that metaphor are appropriate.)

[Brad Grenz]

That's right; a rootkit is actually far, far worse than a virus.

Sure, stealth rootkits are bad, but they're aren't viruses. He's not wrong about how hyperbolic, inflammatory and flat out false many of the listed items are.

It reads more like a list of the reading comprehension failures of MS fanboys.

[K0NY]

It propagates onto any computer into which you insert the disc. That is close enough as far as most people are concerned. It won't make your own computer a new infector, so yeah, it's not exactly a virus, but you are sort of splitting hairs. If they had just said "malware" I don't think the summary of the event would have been significantly different.

It might have been more accurate, but like I said who cares about accuracy when it comes to bad Sony news. Also, doesn't "malware" represent malicious software. I certainly don't think their intentions were malicious. They wanted to protect intellectual property and went about it in a crappy way. Calling the stuff a virus conjures up images of Sony trying to intentionally damage people's computers.


Wow. If you can't see why this statement is completely ridiculous, you have definitely drunk the Sony Kool-Aid. (And at this point, the mass-suicide aspects of that metaphor are appropriate.)
If you'd like to correct me, by all means. However, my understanding was that the US release was scheduled for November of 2006 all along and the Japanese one was going to happen in the Spring of 06 initially. So if the headline was something like, "Sony missed Japanese launch in March" I'd be fine with it.

[charmtrap]

It might have been more accurate, but like I said who care about accuracy when it comes to bad Sony news. Also, doesn't "malware" represent malicious software. I certainly don't think their intentions were malicious. They wanted to protect intellectual property and went about it in a crappy way Calling the stuff a virus conjurs up images of Sony trying to intentionally damage people's computers.


It may not have been malicious, but it was certainly incredibly negligent. A major corporation opening people's computers to attack is just stupid beyond belief. But, go ahead and quibble over the usage of "virus".

[DaveC]

It reads more like a list of the reading comprehension failures of MS fanboys.

So, all those sites are run by MS fanboys?

[Backov]

It isn't my place to refute the assertions made by all the linked websites. However the list of links isn't accurate.

Nov. 10th, 2005 - Sony is caught hiding a rootkit inside music CD's that place a virus on users computer.
Calling the rights management software a "virus" is wrong.

Feb. 27th, 2006 - Sony misses it's Spring launch date
Sony changes the Japanese launch date to coincide with the previously announced US launch date in November. They didn't miss anything. They changed it to a "global launch." Later, they actually missed the European launch when they pushed it to 2007.

May 31st, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison denies copying the Wiimote and states that the PS3 will replace the PC
He never said the PS3 would replace the PC. That's just false.

October 12th, 2006 - Sony Exec calls the 360 and Wii "too expensive"
The quotes this link provides don't show the exec saying "too expensive" at all. They infer that it's what he must mean then offer words in quotes based on their interpretation.

I hope you see my point. Many of the items on this list are non-issues or non-accurate. The list is designed to paint Sony in a negative light. Though it's easy to do with legitimate gripes, the author tries to go for the jugular by exaggeration and sensationalism. The result is instead a lack of credibility.

NO, not a shill. Not at all.

[K0NY]

So, all those sites are run by MS fanboys?
Why are you being obtuse? The stories on the sites are not the failures. The parsing of those stories into an inaccurate one-line summary is where the problem lies.

For instance, when Phil Harrison is answering a question about consoles connecting to PCs for multimedia functions and says something like, "The Playstation 3 can do many of those things so we don't need a PC for them." And that becomes the headline, "the PS3 will replace the PC" And then that's somehow represented as bad news for Sony.

Fanboy bullshit at its finest.

[Jonathan Blow]

The parsing of those stories into an inaccurate one-line summary is where the problem lies...

For instance, when Phil Harrison is answering a question about consoles connecting to PCs for multimedia functions and says something like, "The Playstation 3 can do many of those things so we don't need a PC for them."



"We believe that the PS3 will be the place where our users play games, watch films, browse the Web, and use other [home] computer functions," said Harrison. "The PlayStation 3 is a computer. We do not need the PC."


.....

[Coca Cola Zero]

Fanboy bullshit at its finest.

That's awesome how you made a meta-comment about your own posts to this thread! I'm glad you have a sense of humor about it!!

[Brad Grenz]

Right, but he was answering a question as to whether they would integrate the PS Network experience with PCs the way MS is planning to with the Xbox Live. His answer is that since all the things MS is talking about doing from the PC can be done just as easily on the PS3, given it's built in capabilities, there was no point for them to extend the PSN service to the Windows desktop. So if you read the answer in context it does not mean that Phil thinks PCs are obsolete thanks to the PS3.

[K0NY]

That's awesome how you made a meta-comment about your own posts to this thread! I'm glad you have a sense of humor about it!!
You and Backov should form an ass-clown troupe and travel the world putting on comical-yet-disturbing performances of posterior-inspired antics. I'm sure people would come from miles around to marvel at your scat-centric displays of fancy fecal fetes. It would likely fulfill the need you two have for attention from strangers and possibly even earn you a coin or two.

Personally, I dislike ass-clowns.

The topic is piracy on the PS3 and whether it can take such a blow so early in its lifecycle. Let's stick to that, shall we?

[Kirian]

...

October 12th, 2006 - Sony Exec calls the 360 and Wii "too expensive"
The quotes this link provides don't show the exec saying "too expensive" at all. They infer that it's what he must mean then offer words in quotes based on their interpretation.

...
Actually, the Sony Australia executive did say that the Wii and XBox 360 were too expensive. This had nothing to do with the PS3, which wasn't released in Australia this Christmas; it was a bit of promotion for the PS2. He said that families would buy the cheaper PS2, mostly due to the price of new games in Australia being extortionate, whereas PS2 games are slightly cheaper and have a much larger selection of a much higher quality.

[DaveC]

Why are you being obtuse? The stories on the sites are not the failures. The parsing of those stories into an inaccurate one-line summary is where the problem lies.

For instance, when Phil Harrison is answering a question about consoles connecting to PCs for multimedia functions and says something like, "The Playstation 3 can do many of those things so we don't need a PC for them." And that becomes the headline, "the PS3 will replace the PC" And then that's somehow represented as bad news for Sony.

Fanboy bullshit at its finest.

You do realize that just like George Lucas insists that Star Wars be called "science fantasy" that Sony prefers the PS2 and PS3 be called "computer entertainment systems" and not consoles or gaming consoles or what have you. Also, they have tried to have them used as PCs for years by having a version of Linux available. Hell, I remember back when the PS2 hadn't been out too long all the "convergence" debates we had here because Sony was talking about using it to surf the web, check email, send pictures and movies back and forth. I mean if those aren't PC tasks what are?

[DaveC]

.....

Now, now Jonathan. No need to bring facts and actual quotes into this argument.

[Backov]

You and Backov should form an ass-clown troupe and travel the world putting on comical-yet-disturbing performances of posterior-inspired antics. I'm sure people would come from miles around to marvel at your scat-centric displays of fancy fecal fetes. It would likely fulfill the need you two have for attention from strangers and possibly even earn you a coin or two.

Personally, I dislike ass-clowns.

The topic is piracy on the PS3 and whether it can take such a blow so early in its lifecycle. Let's stick to that, shall we?

KONY: Joined immediately after the Sony PS3 price announcement. First post fanatically defending it and talking about how it was "Only a months rent."

Since then, 6.55 posts per day, most about the PS3. There's no PS3 press release that won't get a topic started by him, and there's no Sony policy, statement, or service he won't defend.

He's made token efforts to post things not about the PS3 and Sony, like how he has a 360 and a Wii.

If he's not a (very bad) marketeer, he's just a moronic fanboi.

[dannimal]

It's good to have the old K0NY back.

Frantic defense of Sony? Check.
Half-assed spin to deflect criticisim elsewhere? Check.
Eventualy descent to name calling? Check.

Taking 4 points from an article, and trying to spin them as false or lies works a lot better when you don't horribly botch half of them.

Welcome back!

Edit:

K0NY's not a VM. Fanboi, sure. Also, he won't start a PS3 topic if Whitta beats him to it. In his defense, he did start this thread, asking if the cracking of the PS3 was game over. He's also not been afraid to mention things about the PS3 he's been unhappy with.

[McBain]

Honestly, I think Tom should enable avatars, but restrict them so that only blatant fucking marketeers can have them. I'm thinking K0NY and MrLipid could get the honors.

[Backov]

Think of Sony's PR strategy this year - they don't seem to care that people say negative things about them, as long as people are talking about them. And it's not like KONY's ever really been negative, in a net sense.

[MrLipid]

Honestly, I think Tom should enable avatars, but restrict them so that only blatant fucking marketeers can have them. I'm thinking K0NY and MrLipid could get the honors.

So who is paying me for my "blatant fucking marketeering"? Is this a volunteer position or do you know something about my finances that I don't?

I find it ridiculous that a forum devoted to enthusiasts has a problem with enthusiasm and that sharing that enthusiasm is equated with marketing.

[RepoMan]

I find it ridiculous that a forum devoted to enthusiasts has a problem with enthusiasm and that sharing that enthusiasm is equated with marketing.
QFT. You're all a bunch of viral bitches, bitches!

[Linoleum]

I find it ridiculous that a forum devoted to enthusiasts has a problem with enthusiasm and that sharing that enthusiasm is equated with marketing.

There's a difference between enthusiasm and shitting up every thread you touch. He's not a VM, he's just an utterly worthless poster.

[MrLipid]

There's a difference between enthusiasm and shitting up every thread you touch. He's not a VM, he's just an utterly worthless poster.

Thanks for sorting that out.

[K0NY]

KONY: Joined immediately after the Sony PS3 price announcement. First post fanatically defending it and talking about how it was "Only a months rent."

Since then, 6.55 posts per day, most about the PS3. There's no PS3 press release that won't get a topic started by him, and there's no Sony policy, statement, or service he won't defend.

He's made token efforts to post things not about the PS3 and Sony, like how he has a 360 and a Wii.

If he's not a (very bad) marketeer, he's just a moronic fanboi.
Backov, you are a lying cunt and your mother dresses you funny. Other than the 6.55 posts per day thing, which I have no interest in even looking up, ever thing you've said about me is fucking false. If you're intention here is to push my buttons then congrats. It worked.

Do you have anything to contribute to this conversation besides calling me a sellout? If not then go scratch you worthless asshole. Your latest obsession with jumping in and attacking me in various threads is sad and worthless. I'd say that you should go back to playing WoW, but that's equally sad in my view. Anyway, fuck off you fucking fuck. If anyone needs some code debugged we'll call you and your "team" otherwise STFU.

[nutsak]

Backov, you are a lying cunt and your mother dresses you funny. Other than the 6.55 posts per day thing, which I have no interest in even looking up, ever thing you've said about me is fucking false. If you're intention here is to push my buttons then congrats. It worked.

Do you have anything to contribute to this conversation besides calling me a sellout? If not then go scratch you worthless asshole. Your latest obsession with jumping in and attacking me in various threads is sad and worthless. I'd say that you should go back to playing WoW, but that's equally sad in my view. Anyway, fuck off you fucking fuck. If anyone needs some code debugged we'll call you and your "team" otherwise STFU.

Quoting this for the lollerfactor.

fucking fucker fuck cunt fucked fish fry shushi mobile.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Backov's mom is dead, K0NY.

I hope you're happy.

[Marcus]

Aww its sad to see KONY go =(

[Midnight Son]

Did someone say fuckity fuck fuck fuck?

[BobJustBob]

Aww its sad to see KONY go =(

Is that what it means when I can't bring up his profile to look at the posts per day number? He's toast?

[Midnight Son]

SONY, I mean KONY, has left the building? First James Brown.... then Jerry Ford.... now KONY?

[Peter Jones]

Quoting this for the lollerfactor.

fucking fucker fuck cunt fucked fish fry shushi mobile.

I have nothing meaningful to add, other than to say this made me laugh out loud harder than I have in a while. Many thanks for the laugh.

[stusser]

Hopefully he wasn't banned for that post, it was an entertaining flame. I assume there was a "fuck off Tom, I'll do what I want" PM exchange somewhere.

[Backov]

Wow, I leave for Bond and miss all the drama. :)

[Greg Vederman]

Aww its sad to see KONY go =(

Wha...? Link?

[Marcus]

I am guessing this thread here was the end.

[Qenan]

I kind of hope it's a temporary ban. K0NY was nuts about Sony, but people prodded him, too.

[shift6]

K0ny's last post was about three hours ago and I doubt Tom is at home pounding the F5 key monitoring the site. I'm guessing Marcus's post is more of a prediction for 2007 than a statement of current truth.

[Marcus]

K0ny's last post was about three hours ago and I doubt Tom is at home pounding the F5 key monitoring the site. I'm guessing Marcus's post is more of a prediction for 2007 than a statement of current truth.

Try and view K0ny's profile.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Wow, I leave for Bond and miss all the drama. :)
"Sooo Mr. Backov. You see, it doesn't take elaborate tortures to make you scream in anguish. I can simply call you a lying cunt. How does that grab you?"


"Ow! Hahahaha K0NY, you asshole. Is that as hard as you can hit? Your mom hits harder."


"My Mom? No, Mr. Backov: your mom. Dresses you funny."


"Urggh. I've a scratch K0NY, mind taking care of that for me?"


"WHAT??!?!" (Emos) "You have PUSHED MY BUTTONS!"


"Hahahaooh! Almost! It's a little to the left."


"Go scratch your worthless asshole yourself!"


"Errk! Hahaha, hit harder, you pansy!"


"Fuck off you fucking fuck!" (Cries)


"Cry your bloody tears, you virus!"


(Tom enters)


"STFU!" (Sees Tom) "Uh oh."


"What, did you think anyone wanted to put up with your bullshit anymore?"


BANG.


"And you! Watch your ip traceroutes, Mr. Backov. We are watching you. Frickin' Yentas."


(Exeunt)

[Greg Vederman]

I am guessing this thread here was the end.

And I can see why you'd think that. What I'm asking is how you knew, without an announcement from anyone, that "the end" had come? Toward the bottom of this thread, KONY goes bananas, a couple people make fun of him, and then, out of nowhere, you post saying that it's sad to see him go. Is there another thread somewhere that says he was banned, or does your LVM-37w1 -- in addition to having terrific DVI performance -- allow you to peer into Tom's mind? ;-)

[shift6]

Try and view K0ny's profile.
Whoops, my bad. Good catch. I had clicked on "view more posts by" to see his most recent activity instead of trying his profile page.

[dannimal]

Backov, you are a lying cunt and your mother dresses you funny. Other than the 6.55 posts per day thing, which I have no interest in even looking up, ever thing you've said about me is fucking false. If you're intention here is to push my buttons then congrats. It worked.

Do you have anything to contribute to this conversation besides calling me a sellout? If not then go scratch you worthless asshole. Your latest obsession with jumping in and attacking me in various threads is sad and worthless. I'd say that you should go back to playing WoW, but that's equally sad in my view. Anyway, fuck off you fucking fuck. If anyone needs some code debugged we'll call you and your "team" otherwise STFU.

LOL@U!!

[DaveC]

Hopefully he wasn't banned for that post, it was an entertaining flame. I assume there was a "fuck off Tom, I'll do what I want" PM exchange somewhere.

Yeah, calling someone a "cunt" is the height of wit.

[MrLipid]

Honestly, I think Tom should enable avatars, but restrict them so that only blatant fucking marketeers can have them. I'm thinking K0NY and MrLipid could get the honors.

So if KONY's gone, can I use his avatar if I like it? Or does this mean I have to be the blatant fucking marketeer for Nintendo and SONY? And who gets the 360 avatar?

[Juan Rayo]

The fact that this happened in a thread titled "Game over for Playstation 3" is just poetic, if a bit sad.

[Gaming-Module]

Alas, who will defend Sony's virgin honor from our hairy purple bludgeons now?

[Linoleum]

This portends good things for Sony in 2007.

[Gary Whitta]

Wow... Gerald Ford, Saddam Hussein, James Brown and K0NY all in the same week. Who would have thunk it?

[Mark Crump]

Is K0NY now a member of the No Fun Club?

[quatoria]

Is K0NY now a member of the No Fun Club?

He has a PS3, doesn't he?

[RepoMan]

Holy shit. How sad. Kitsune's been inactive lately too after the big flameout in the "is the PS3's backwards compatibility fux0r3d" thread.

I guess everyone has their limit and the PS3 breeds flamedeath. Oh well. We won't have K0NY to kick around anymore. (And how d'ya like Cheney's spirited defense of Ford's Nixon pardon? Whoops, wrong forum!)

[Dave Markell]

The fact that this happened in a thread titled "Game over for Playstation 3" is just poetic, if a bit sad.

Poetic, I get. Sad? Not so much.

[Brad Grenz]

I kind of hope it's a temporary ban. K0NY was nuts about Sony, but people prodded him, too.

No kidding. Kony may have been a dick, but a lot of you guys have been acting like complete assholes.

[dannimal]

Oh, wah. K0NY didn't get banned for going fuck-happy in this thread (I'm guessing), if he got banned at all. The only "proof" he got banned was not being able to pull up his profile, which I just did. Maybe there was a gremlin in the hamster cages, clogging up tubes yesterday.

Even so, past Yenta Updates have tended to let us know that before anyone is banned, there's at least a PM asking to tone it down. K0NY would have had to respond to a warning the wrong way (and quickly) to get banned that speedily.

[Midnight Son]

Maybe his VM contract expired 12/31/06?

[RepoMan]

OK Tom, aka Grand Yenta, what's the story?

[forgeforsaken]

The biggest problem with K0ny is that most of the times he posts the thread derails and becomes about K0ny and not whatever it was about to begin with. And yes the fault is not just with K0ny.

[Gaming-Module]

You've got to admit that K0NY really does ask for it. I don't know how many times I've seen him misrepresent facts, selectively quote executives from online Q&A articles to make Sony look good or its competitors look bad and various other things that I typically expect from Gamespot's System Wars forum.

He is also far too emotionally invested in this whole console war thing. Anytime you call someone names on a messageboard, you're in trouble as far as I'm concerned.

[Mark Crump]

Oh, wah. K0NY didn't get banned for going fuck-happy in this thread (I'm guessing), if he got banned at all. The only "proof" he got banned was not being able to pull up his profile, which I just did. Maybe there was a gremlin in the hamster cages, clogging up tubes yesterday.

Even so, past Yenta Updates have tended to let us know that before anyone is banned, there's at least a PM asking to tone it down. K0NY would have had to respond to a warning the wrong way (and quickly) to get banned that speedily.

Which, if you're already pissed off can happen.

[Jazar]

The biggest problem with K0ny is that most of the times he posts the thread derails and becomes about K0ny and not whatever it was about to begin with. And yes the fault is not just with K0ny.

Agreed.

[Jake Plane]

Whew. For a minute I was worried that I missed a key K0NY moment. Love that guy. Like I love Newman on Seinfeld.

[Troy S Goodfellow]

The only "proof" he got banned was not being able to pull up his profile, which I just did.

Not on the member's list. Therefore, gone.

Troy

[Cosmic Hippo]

.....the hell? "Oh, I won't bring my shitty laptop home with me for break... one doesn't need to be constantly online..."

I WAS WRONG, ALL WRONG!

Okay, I'm not actually at all sad I missed another flame war, but it's always weird to read these things after the fact.

EDIT: Oh, that's what I get for not looking at dates. This happened yesterday..

[Gary Whitta]

Just logged into PS3 online; K0NY's personal buddy message is "2007 sucks so far".

[RepoMan]

By the way Bill, nice Casino Royale pastiche :-D

[Gaming-Module]

Just logged into PS3 online; K0NY's personal buddy message is "2007 sucks so far".

2007 is pretty great here. Probably because I own a Wii60.

[Bill Dungsroman]

By the way Bill, nice Casino Royale pastiche :-D
Thx. SEE GRENZ, WE AREN'T ALL DICKS.

[Backov]

By the way Bill, nice Casino Royale pastiche :-D

I just assume Bill knows he rocketh, but he does. eth. That was good.

[Brad Grenz]

Thx. SEE GRENZ, WE AREN'T ALL DICKS.

No. I said Kony's a dick. I think you guys are all assholes! At least you're actually funny. Some just think they are.

[Ephraim]

No. I said Kony's a dick. I think you guys are all assholes! At least you're actually funny. Some just think they are.

Think on this.

Brad, I've noticed you're often out there, defending Sony and the PS3 on a daily basis, and yet nobody seems to attack you as a shill, viral marketer, marketeer, or a fanboy. K0NY, in his infinite dickdom, was a constant target. Why? Because you're reasonable, honest, articulate, don't resort to swearing or manipulation of the truth, don't send really nice people PMs insulting their mothers (that I'm aware of), and took the time to become a member of the community before jumping into every PS3 thread with guns blazing.

You're the K0NY done right. As for me, I'm singing "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" and celebrating a great start to 2007 as far as Qt3 is concerned. A long overdue housecleaning, K0NY was never much part of the true community here, from day one. And it's not because we're a closed and insular bunch. Many new people have arrived since K0NY and are very much part of the "family". But that guy just did everything wrong and stuck out like a very sore thumb that can't stop throbbing for an instant.

Finally I can go back to having a clean Ignore list.

[Midnight Son]

2007 is good so far, since I own a PS2Cube! (Soul Calibur 2 and NBA Street Vol 2 for $7.99 each for the win!)

[Hans Lauring]

No. I said Kony's a dick. I think you guys are all assholes! At least you're actually funny. Some just think they are.


Spot on.

I merely stopped posting in these threads because they all boils down to the same trolls misrepresenting anything ever said by a Sony rep, then KONY steps in and point that out (but in a shrill tone) and the baiting and namecalling starts. (Also because the PS3 was released in the US so the 3-4 PS3 owners on the board could dismiss the most ridiculous claims with actual facts... I still have to rely on having better reading comprehension)
I won't say I'm going to miss the guy since he was a shrill onenote poster, but I find it somewhat sad that this place didn't have room for one rabid PS3 fanboy amidst the Nintendo Zerg.

[Jake Plane]

K0NY, in his infinite dickdom, was a constant target...

I would just add to this that while K0NY was often prodded - I'll admit it to rattling his cage on more than one occasion - he often created a stir all by his lonesome, jumping into threads simply for the sake of saying something derogatory about other consoles.

And then, and I think this is what infuriated some people here, he would engage full boar, championing the PS3 and lambasting the 360 or Wii, until proved wrong or shouted down - and then instead of receding or apologizing, he would claim he was either just joking, had intentionally taken such a position to reveal hypocrisy or my favorite - flatly deny that he had ever posted what he was being accused of.

I don't mind fanbois truth be told. I think now that all the cards are on the table, it makes sense that there should be console partisans this round, especially given the significantly different approaches adopted this generation.

No, what bothered me about K0NY was that he was an irrational and belligerent fanboi. And therein lies the rub.

[fuzzyslug]

While we all are eulogizing Kony, let me say that I didn't have a personal problem with him at all. You can love a console or corporate entity like a piece of man-flesh and I'm ok with it when you keep it inside your bedroom walls.

What I didn't like was that every thread he entered was spoiled by his participation, generally due to his antics, occasionally due to folks taking out agression from another thread. It made reading threads about the PS3 or Sony a chore. I'm happy that burden will be lower.

[Hans Lauring]

We should make all Sony threads about eulogizing K0NY - we haven't been called yentas in a long time...

[Charles]

I played a bunch of Chromehounds with Kony. He was pretty cool. I'll keep him on my friends list and continue to play games with him (the rare times I actually foray online).

[McBain]

K0NY's not the only fanboy I've seen around here. He just had the poor sense to choose the username "K0NY," and he didn't know how to properly skirt the edge of absurdity.

Alas, he will be missed. Sort of.

[Dave Long]

but I find it somewhat sad that this place didn't have room for one rabid PS3 fanboy amidst the Nintendo Zerg.

ROFL! This place is Xbox Central, dude. Gears of War won GotY here for chrissake!

[JM]

Are you surprised? The Wii and the PS3 have only just come out, with an unimpressive set of titles at launch.

[Qenan]

Unlike the 360, which had what, Kameo?

[forgeforsaken]

Are you surprised? The Wii and the PS3 have only just come out, with an unimpressive set of titles at launch.

Dude, it's Dave Long.

[dannimal]

The point isn't to compare the launch titles of the PS3 and Wii to the 360. It's that the 360 had an entire year in which to field candidates for GOY, and the PS3 and Wii have their launch lineups and 6 weeks to make an impression.

Pair that with how hard it was to actually GET a console, and it's not some ludicrous miscarriage of gaming justice the a 360 game won GOY.

[Gary Whitta]

ROFL! This place is Xbox Central, dude. Gears of War won GotY here for chrissake!
Because it was the best game of the year.

[Kareem]

On the one hand you had k0ny destroying the majority of PS3 posts by his antics, but you also had anti-Sony fanboyism of amazing level. Just try to count how many threads are out there predicting doom and gloom for Sony and the PS3.

[Drastic]

No way. You'd need some sort of Cell processor to count that high!

[Backov]

On the one hand you had k0ny destroying the majority of PS3 posts by his antics, but you also had anti-Sony fanboyism of amazing level. Just try to count how many threads are out there predicting doom and gloom for Sony and the PS3.

Ya think maybe there's a good reason for those predictions?

[Flowers]

I for one predict that all household computing and correspondence will be conducted through the affordable, in-home mediacenter that is the PS3 within four years time, as the Wii and 360 show signs of age in their inferior processors. Also, you will all get carpal tunnel from vibrating controllers.

[Ephraim]

I for one predict that all household computing and correspondence will be conducted through the affordable, in-home mediacenter that is the PS3 within four years time, as the Wii and 360 show signs of age in their inferior processors. Also, you will all get carpal tunnel from vibrating controllers.

Awesome. Flowers is stepping up and filling in for the unlamented K0NY. Way to be!

[Midnight Son]

Because it was the best game of the year.

Wrong, Oblivion or Civ 4. See, this could go on a long time....

[Midnight Son]

I for one predict that all household computing and correspondence will be conducted through the affordable, in-home mediacenter that is the PS3 within four years time, as the Wii and 360 show signs of age in their inferior processors. Also, you will all get carpal tunnel from vibrating controllers.

Are you going to pay for the monitor I just spewed soda on? ;)

[Flowers]

Are you going to pay for the monitor I just spewed soda on? ;)

How about I just give you this free advice and we will be even! You should scrap the monitor, head to Best Buy, and snap one of the new entertainment solutions now in stock? For a cost less than what it would take to feed thirty or forty orphans for three months in the Sudan, you can take home a PS3. Hook it to you TV and do your surfing from there! And you can do it on your couch in relaxation and comfort.

Don't be a shit slick fish slit getting fucked with thick dicks in your chum cunt tummy, get a PS3.*



*Also Do the Dew please.

[Midnight Son]

Flowers, you have inspired me! I'm going to get a 60" SONY Plasma bitch to go along with it! Wheeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

[Rimbo]

k0ny is not gone; check his profile again...

[Damien Neil]

On the one hand you had k0ny destroying the majority of PS3 posts by his antics, but you also had anti-Sony fanboyism of amazing level. Just try to count how many threads are out there predicting doom and gloom for Sony and the PS3.

Really, that's just schadenfreude. People like watching a big company fall flat on its face. If Sony gets their act together, most of us will own PS3s in a couple years and the launch jeers will be a distant memory.

As for KONY, I have no real problem with him. He's been a perfectly decent guy when I've played online with him on XBL, and his fanboyism isn't particularly extreme. (A real Sony fanboy would never have touched an XBox.) If people resisted the urge to bait him all the time, he'd be an unremarkable poster.

[Dave Markell]

k0ny is not gone; check his profile again...

He's off the member list. He's gone.

[Rimbo]

He's off the member list. He's gone.

Oops. I stand corrected.

[RepoMan]

Don't be a shit slick fish slit getting fucked with thick dicks in your chum cunt tummy...
Dude, after that awesomely assonant and onomatopoeic sentence, that's exactly what I want to be.

[RepoMan]

If people resisted the urge to bait him all the time, he'd be an unremarkable poster.
If people could resist the baiting urge, this would NOT be Qt3.

[Rimbo]

Dude, after that awesomely assonant and onomatopoeic sentence, that's exactly what I want to be.

You will get insulted by Flowers, and you will like it.

[Cyrano]

With K0NY banned, be on the lookout for a new member named K1NTEND0 or K1CR0S0FT.

[Damien Neil]

If people could resist the baiting urge, this would NOT be Qt3.

Oh, hell, I know that. :>

Survival here depends on knowing when not to rise to the bait. Anything else is like blood in the water for the local sharks.

[McBain]

Don't be a shit slick fish slit getting fucked with thick dicks in your chum cunt tummy, get a PS3.

This is arguably the greatest sentence I have ever read.

[Tom Chick]

Yeah, when Flowers is on, the dude is on. That line is better than any Sony ad I've seen.

-Tom

[Bill Dungsroman]

Anybody who thinks K0NY isn't a Sony fanboi XXX-treme has obviously never googled his name. He writes for PSP Nation. The handle "K0NY" is the least fanboish handle he uses online, for God's sake.

I tried to be okay with him, but he had a nasty habit of suddenly not being able to take a joke. when Cosmic Hippo was visiting NYC I jokingly suggested he "Slap K0NY." That led to an assault of crybaby PMs informing me that since K0NY and I are not friends I am not allowed to make jokes at his expense. He can dry-hump Sony products until the cows come home for all I care, just fucking lighten up and get down off the crucifix.

[Ben Sones]

He can dry-hump Sony products until the cows come home for all I care

It only takes that long because they got rid of rumble.

[dannimal]

just fucking lighten up and get down off the crucifix.

You realize that if it were easy to get down off a crucifix, we may not have an easter bunny, right? That means no Cadbury Eggs.

[shift6]

K1CR0S0FT.
The Zionists pwn the world through video games.

[Dirt]

Sometimes, people care just a little too much.

[Bill Dungsroman]

You realize that if it were easy to get down off a crucifix, we may not have an easter bunny, right? That means no Cadbury Eggs.
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE?

[Athryn]

K1CR0S0FT.


The Zionists pwn the world through video games.


I have nothing to add other than this post made airborne-laden water go up my nose. And they say laughter is the best medicine.

[Kunikos]

For some reason I'm looking around for the super cheerleader to come running into the blazing trainwreck of a thread to save the innocent bystanders.

[Lunch of Kong]

Shift6 says that jokingly, but I have an extended family member who refuses to watch Seinfeld because he's convinced there's some kind of Media Conspiracy of the Jews. His unassailable conviction that the rest of us have been brainwashed so that the Jew Hivemind can control the entire world is quite disturbing.

[BlueJackalope]

This is quite the laundry list - http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25247543



Whoa...whoa whoa....Whoa...

"Dec 21, 2006 - Virtua Fighter 5 dukes it out on Xbox 360 (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/virtuafighter5/news.html?sid=6163542)"

How is some Anonymous Tool's internet flame-out bigger news than this?

[nKoan]

Whoa...whoa whoa....Whoa...

"Dec 21, 2006 - Virtua Fighter 5 dukes it out on Xbox 360 (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/virtuafighter5/news.html?sid=6163542)"

How is some Anonymous Tool's internet flame-out bigger news than this?

It was big enough to get two threads here. But, that was almost two weeks ago, so most everyone has probably gotten it out of their system, and so Anonymous Tool's internet flame-out is infinitely more interesting.

[Ben Sones]

"Anonymous Tool's Internet Flameout" would be a great name for a Podcast.

[BlueJackalope]

Gotcha. I've been travelling so missed it. I'm all kinds of excited.

[Rimbo]

"Anonymous Tool's Internet Flameout" would be a great name for a Podcast.

Or an indie rock band.

[Cyrano]

The Zionists pwn the world through video games.

That was unintentional. I did realize it after I wrote it, but I didn't think anyone would pick up on it.

[Rimbo]

i don't get it

[Lunch of Kong]

That was unintentional. I did realize it after I wrote it, but I didn't think anyone would pick up on it.

Then I presume that your days of underestimating shift6 are certainly coming to a middle.

[Kareem]

I don't get it either.

[rhinohelix]

I think they are making a play on that fact that if you pronounce the "Kic" ( i displayed as a 1) in "K1crosoft" as "ki(long I)-k", it sounds the same as a racial slur against Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kike

[Midnight Son]

It loses impact when you have to 'splain it.

[Ephraim]

I think they are making a play on that fact that if you pronounce the "Kic" ( i displayed as a 1) in "K1crosoft" as "ki(long I)-k", it sounds the same as a racial slur against Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kike

This actually doesn't make sense. K0NY is no anti-semite, he's the goddamn King 0f New York! How could he possible have been elected king on an anti-semitic campaign platform in Hymietown?

[zx81-Amd64]

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=12250 I dont know, maybe?

[forgeforsaken]

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=12250 I dont know, maybe?

It depends on what "by 2010" means. If it means before 2010, no fucking way. They would need to sell about 25 million a year for the next three years. If it means by the end of 2010, possible but highly unlikely as well.

[MrLipid]

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=12250 I dont know, maybe?

75 million? And they have sold how many so far? Looks like a pretty steep hill to me.

[dannimal]

This actually doesn't make sense. K0NY is no anti-semite, he's the goddamn King 0f New York! How could he possible have been elected king on an anti-semitic campaign platform in Hymietown?

Why do you think he attained kingship by vote?

[Troy S Goodfellow]

Why do you think he attained kingship by vote?

Because subtly scheming his way to throne is even more implausible?

Troy

[Derek Meister]

K0NY is no anti-semite, he's the goddamn King 0f New York!

http://meisterplanet.com/images/quartertothree/goddamn-batman.jpg

[dannimal]

Awesome.

[Bill Dungsroman]

It loses impact when you have to 'splain it.
Likewise, it's not necessarily unfunny because stupid people don't get it.

[RepoMan]

It depends on what "by 2010" means. If it means before 2010, no fucking way. They would need to sell about 25 million a year for the next three years. If it means by the end of 2010, possible but highly unlikely as well.
Agreed. I pity the poor fuckers who pay 2,200+ euros for a piece of shit report like that.

[Ephraim]

Why do you think he attained kingship by vote?

Jo. Oke.

Joke.

[dannimal]

Jo. Oke.

Joke.

Dit. To.

Ditto.

[Backov]

You guys. Joking in this hallowed place. THIS PLACE IS A TOMB! AUGH!

[shift6]

That was unintentional. I did realize it after I wrote it, but I didn't think anyone would pick up on it.
I wouldn't have noticed except that I was speaking all three company names out loud to see how they would sound. Hehe. At the time of my post, I couldn't recall the fictional book title Protocols of the Elders of Zion or whatever it is. If I had, the funnier post would have been:

Protocols of the Elders of Zion, chapter 34:
Taking over the world through video games.

[Flowers]

Protocol the Thirty-Fourth: What to do when the Klezmer is Overloud and Schmerzing your Ohren.
1. Bang on the window with your fist.
2. Shout, "Turn that down, verkochte schmendricken! People are trying to sleep! Some of us work, you know!"


You are thinking of Protocol Fifty-four, "Regarding The Children and Their Toys."

[Rimbo]

You guys. Joking in this hallowed place. THIS PLACE IS A TOMB! AUGH!

that would explain the preponderance of zombies in video gaming

[Charlatan]

not to mention Raiders.

[Rimbo]

Also, I never would have gotten the Kicrosoft thing if it hadn't been explained. I think the word "kike" had been swapped out into mental deep storage for so long I'd almost lost it forever.

[Jonathan Blow]

Anecdote. Was at the EB in San Francisco Union Square today. PS3 demo kiosk totally inoperative, i.e. power was off.

Also for some reason they didn't seem to have very much in the way of DS games. Which is bizarre given how many people own one by now. What gives, there?

[Podunk]

This thread delivers like a motherfucker.

[Gary Whitta]

I believe it's been established that with a lot of stores that don't actually have any PS3s to sell, they're deliberately leaving the demo kiosks off so as not to attract any unwanted scum. When they're actually functioning, it's like flies round shit.

[nKoan]

I believe it's been established that with a lot of stores that don't actually have any PS3s to sell, they're deliberately leaving the demo kiosks off so as not to attract any unwanted scum. When they're actually functioning, it's like flies round shit.

Well, if the stores don't leave them turned off, the PS3's are intentionally locking up to prevent loiters from appearing.

[Sebmolo]

Are you going to pay for the monitor I just spewed soda on? ;)

Can we stab this 'laughed so hard my brain came out my nose and now I have to replace my computer because it has brain on it' metaphor or meme or turn of phrase or whatever the fuck it is really hard till it dies then burn the corpse then bury the ashes in a military spec containment facility under a crossroad at midnight somewhere? Really? It's been going ten times as long as 'all your base' and is ten times less funny.

No offence MS. I hate you, obviously, but for way different and more insane reasons which I will not relate here.

[jabroni]

Can we stab this 'laughed so hard my brain came out my nose and now I have to replace my computer because it has brain on it' metaphor or meme or turn of phrase or whatever the fuck it is really hard till it dies then burn the corpse then bury the ashes in a military spec containment facility under a crossroad at midnight somewhere? I LOL'd. You know what that means... YOU OWE ME A KEYBOARD!!!

[RepoMan]

I hate you, obviously, but for way different and more insane reasons which I will not relate here.
I don't know why the fuck NOT.

[KaoFloppy]

I don't know why the fuck NOT.
Aw, man, you took the bait, man. Now he's gonna tell...

[shift6]

All MS's base are belong to Sebmolo?

[Podunk]

I think everyone should write it like "Midnight $on." You know, so when you...oh, never mind.

[Charles]

Can we stab this 'laughed so hard my brain came out my nose and now I have to replace my computer because it has brain on it' metaphor or meme or turn of phrase or whatever the fuck it is really hard till it dies then burn the corpse then bury the ashes in a military spec containment facility under a crossroad at midnight somewhere? Really? It's been going ten times as long as 'all your base' and is ten times less funny.

No offence MS. I hate you, obviously, but for way different and more insane reasons which I will not relate here.


How about instead, we stop people from bumping month old threads with off-topic posts?