Pot and Sex

[Rimbo]

Readers to "Savage Love" write in. (http://www.avclub.com/content/savagelove/pot)

[Anders Hallin]

As is general knowledge, most women need specific mental stimuli to become aroused to the point of orgasm, above and beyond the physical (which for many men is sufficient).
I rather think that male orgasms are a bit less prevalent than many think. Ejaculations are easy, and nice enough, but there is in my experience (lol) definitely a difference between that and orgasm.

[RickH]

Ejaculations are easy, and nice enough, but there is in my experience (lol) definitely a difference between that and orgasm.

Oh great, now I have to decide whether it was genuine or not.

[Enidigm]

Sex for men is an inner tube ride at a water park with a glimpse of a magic mountain in the distance just as they go over the falls on the last part of the ride. With a long line at the bottom waiting to get back to the top.

Sex for women is climbing that magic icy mountain guys only see glimpses of at the end of their ride. However climing takes concentration; get distracted and she slides back down to the base of the slope. At the end though is a magic escalator to heaven.

[Hanzii]

Cool, I thought sex was just biochemistry and body fluids...

[Bill Dungsroman]

I rather think that male orgasms are a bit less prevalent than many think. Ejaculations are easy, and nice enough, but there is in my experience (lol) definitely a difference between that and orgasm.
You're fucking retarded, Anders. No offense.

[spiffy]

You're fucking retarded, Anders. No offense.

I've had wimpy little orgasms, and then orgasms after which I thought maybe my penis had, in a frenzy of delight, rocketed off my groinal area to bury itself permanantly into the unlucky girl's pelvic bone. More often the first scenario then not, so there's something to Ander's statement.

[Rimbo]

You're fucking retarded, Anders. No offense.

Be not so quick to judge. (http://www.goofyfootpress.com/newedition/chapter_7orgasms_sunsets_hand_grenades.php)

[Bill Dungsroman]

Be not so quick to judge. (http://www.goofyfootpress.com/newedition/chapter_7orgasms_sunsets_hand_grenades.php)

One of the many nice things about sharing sex is having orgasms, also known as coming. But orgasms are not without their mystery. Perhaps it might be helpful to consider a few comments about orgasm from Dr. Frieda Tingle, the world's leading expert on sex:
I'll say she is, since I've never fucking heard of her. Dr. Tingle? You're being trolled, Buddy-Ro.

This entire period of emission and ejaculation is called the male orgasm.
Oh snap. Medical kuh-nowledge FTW. I look forward to your insane rebuttal.

[Backov]

Orgasm is more spiritual then mental, man. Like, the body fluid part is just the beginning, you dig? After you spurt your man load in an orgasm, your soul goes with it, and the chicks (or dudes) soul interconnects with it man, and you like, transcend this mean state of being.

[Lum]

You know, it's a fairly safe assumption that literally everyone reading this thread has experienced at least one orgasm in their life, so debating the subject seems kind of stupid. Are you SURE this isn't P&R?

[Rimbo]

Oh snap. Medical kuh-nowledge FTW. I look forward to your insane rebuttal.

Reading the entirety of the chapter sample by Dr.* Paul Joannides and not just the goofy teaser at the top FTW!

*research psychoanalyst

[Uncle Larry]

I was reading the PROP question to my girlfriend, and we simultaneously said to each other, "She's a dyke." In our opinion (due to our own experiences and observations) women who need to be high and/or drunk to enjoy sex with men may very well be lesbians.

Now, if PROP had said that his girlfriend got a special thrill out of stoned sex every once in a while, that would be a different matter. But EVERY time? Hmmm. All I know is that before I accepted my cunt-loving ways, I needed drugs/alcohol EVERY time too, and so did my girlfriend. Just a thought.

Haha.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Reading the entirety of the chapter sample by Dr.* Paul Joannides and not just the goofy teaser at the top FTW!

(Dr. Frieda Tingle is the alter ego of Carol Tavris and Leonore Tiefer.)
We'll start there. Moving on:

wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Tavris) sez:

Carol Tavris (born 1944) is an American social psychologist and author. She received a Ph. D in social psychology
There are doctors, PhD and there are doctors, MD, Bro. You do realize I am referring to male orgasms and ejaculation in particular, right? I mean, you aren't that confused, are you?

Oh, and:

Her most well-known book, The Mismeasure of Woman (the title is a play on Stephen Jay Gould's The Mismeasure of Man) argues in favor of egalitarian feminism
You know what "egalitarian feminism" is, Rimski? It's chauvanism for females. Yeah, so the authority on how a dude's plumbing works, this one. Try the deluxe model, it has so much more egal.


Also: (http://www.chautauqua-inst.org/Lectures/tiefer.html)

Dr. Tiefer, a native New Yorker, began her career as a sexologist with a 1969 PhD from U.C. Berkeley in Experimental Psychology and a dissertation in hamster mating behavior.
Sweet. Hamsters. Another female PhD. OH WAIT:

In the early 1970s, Dr. Tiefer got swept up in the women's liberation movement, and began to think that the way to understand sexuality was not through animal research. She co-founded the Fort Collins, Colorado chapter of the National Organization for Women.
Totally the authority on male sexual function. Totally.


AND HEY HOW ABOUT THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK?

He is on the editorial board of the American Journal of Sex Education. Paul is also the cow superintendant at his county fair. He lives on a remote bay in the beautiful Northwest with his wife, daughter, dogs and small herd of livestock.
Well, that took an unexpected turn.


Rimbo, you're being pretty evasive here. Nothing new with that, people who argue without having any real body of knowledge to argue with often do that. What exactly are you saying, in arguing with me?

[Rimbo]

Rimbo, you're being pretty evasive here. Nothing new with that, people who argue without having any real body of knowledge to argue with often do that. What exactly are you saying, in arguing with me?

Only that you still haven't read the whole link.

[shift6]

I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Only that you still haven't read the whole link.

Or maybe you have, and you're just too dense for anything beyond your own opinion to register.
I've read it several times. I'm still waiting for your rebuttal. You don't to seem to have one.

[dannimal]

Probably along the lines of "I define orgasm in such a way that makes me right and you wrong. Here's a link that uses a stupid and vague definition that supports me."

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Bill Dungsroman
Rimbo, you're being pretty evasive here. Nothing new with that, people who argue without having any real body of knowledge to argue with often do that. What exactly are you saying, in arguing with me?


Only that you still haven't read the whole link.

Or maybe you have, and you're just too dense for anything beyond your own opinion to register.

I'm with Bill (great name btw!) on this one, you and Anders are being fucking retarded.

Sure, some orgasms are better than others, but seriously.

[Rimbo]

—Some people experience orgasm as a single, tidal-wavelike surge of sensation with a couple of brief aftershocks; others experience it as a series of waves, genital sneezes, or bursts of light, color, warmth, and energy. Some describe orgasm as creeping up on them and slowly flooding their senses. Some of us experience it as an explosion while others call it a whisper.

—Some orgasms make you feel great; others can be wimpy and disappointing. Some orgasms are strictly physical; others are physical and emotional. Some reach into the body; others reach into the soul. Some are intense and obvious; others are diffuse and subtle.

—The way an orgasm feels can vary with different types of sexual activity; for instance, oral sex orgasms might feel different from intercourse orgasms. Masturbation orgasms are often the most intense, but not necessarily the most satisfying.

—Orgasms with the same partner are likely to run the gamut from totally spectacular to downright disappointing. It depends on the particular day, and whether your worlds are colliding or are in sync.

—Some people have orgasms when a lover kisses them on the back of the neck; others need a stick or two of dynamite between the legs. The amount of stimulation needed to generate an orgasm has nothing to do with how much you enjoy sex.


In other words, an orgasm is different for different people at different times. If Anders doesn't have an orgasm every time he ejaculates, no words in a book, no matter how authoritative, can make it so.

I certainly have had ejaculations that weren't really orgasms. I can count the times it's happened on one hand, leaving the other free to produce ejaculation+orgasm #43,205,991, and even with a finger left for that extra anal stimulation.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Well, it's true; Bill has a great name.

And he's so smart! Why, he dropped out of medical school. I know many practicing physicians who can't even make that claim.
And where do you fit into the scheme of things vis a vis medical knowledge, Rimbew? I read a book. Just awhile ago. I even quoted it.

You can try to shame me, it's all good, you've been saving that one as your ace in the hole but buddy, you think situps are the key to curing bipolarity. Get thee hence to a Sanitarium, you maroon.


But despite his brilliance, sometimes he just doesn't get the picture, and you have to draw it for him.



In other words, an orgasm is different for different people at different times. If Anders doesn't have an orgasm every time he ejaculates, no words in a book, no matter how authoritative, can make it so.

I certainly have had ejaculations that weren't really orgasms. I can count the times it's happened on one hand, leaving the other free to produce ejaculation+orgasm #43,205,991, and even with a finger left for that extra anal stimulation.
Check it:

Some orgasms are strictly physical; others are physical and emotional.
And none are strictly emotional. DUH. Only a complete imbecile cannot admit that. Wait wait:

Masturbation orgasms are often the most intense
You jerk off and nothing comes out there except the odd puff of dust there, Studly? Are you that far gone?


Bill Dungsroman, that's a prescription for you. Next time you jerk off, do it in the shower; soap up one finger really well and shove it up your ass. You'll thank me for it later.
You fucking retard. Show me where it says anything about ejaculation in your link.

IT DOESN'T. YOU LOSE. GOOD DAY SIR.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Bill, Bill, Bill...

I think I'm just going to ignore you, now. I enjoy this board too much to bother with your unchecked insecurities.
I win.

EDIT: Dude, did you delete this post? The one I quoted? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Steve Canyon]

Bill Dungsroman, that's a prescription for you. Next time you jerk off, do it in the shower; soap up one finger really well and shove it up your ass. You'll thank me for it later.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm uncomfortable with some of the images of reciprocity being bandied about in this thread.

[Jakub]

This is awesome.

It's like a coming-out thread for pussywhipped feminist losers.

Now if you bitches don't mind, I'm gonna have a cognac, a cigar, and a joint.

[shift6]

I don't ever want to have an orgasm that is like a genital sneeze.

IT DOESN'T. YOU LOSE. GOOD DAY SIR.
http://www.thegreenhead.com/entertainment/images/gene_wilder_wonka.jpg

[MattKeil]

Bill, Bill, Bill...

I think I'm just going to ignore you, now. I enjoy this board too much to bother with your unchecked insecurities.

But you're completely out of your fucking tree. What you posted in response to Bill doesn't even remotely contradict the actual definition of male orgasm. I'll admit this is a completely new one on me. What's the subtext on the "not every ejaculation is an orgasm" thing? An attempt to put yourself on equal footing with the women you disappoint?

I had a steak last night that wasn't as good as many other steaks I've had in the past. Did I not actually eat that steak? Did I not really taste it? Is an experience only medically valid if it's really good? You're actually sitting there trying to contradict the medical definition of something with something that doesn't even disagree with said definition. I thank you for the late-night hilarity, but really, try to get a grip.

[hong]

I'm just going off to have an orgasm now. BRB.

[Athryn]

http://www.knitemare.org/cats/270911970_db35fdd4ca.jpg

[Rimbo]

What you posted in response to Bill doesn't even remotely contradict the actual definition of male orgasm.

It makes the point that orgasms for different people at different times are different things, and so it doesn't entirely agree with the textbook definition, either. The issue of what is or is not an orgasm is not quite so black-and-white as whether or not there's an emission of semen. Dictionary definitions beg a certain amount of precision and ...well, definitiveness, but there's always exceptions when you're talking about something as complex as sexuality. You can't tell someone, "You didn't feel that way, you felt this way, because this book says so," because that person is the foremost expert on himself.

The reactions to Anders' point that "male orgasms are not so prevalent as most think" were essentially saying, "Male orgasms happen every time there's an ejaculation!" In other words, we see most people thinking that male orgasms happen with every ejaculation (as Anders stated) and at least two individuals saying they don't (as Anders stated), so really the resistance only serves to prove the point.

[spiffy]

Ever since joshV made that cat pic thread, there's been a lot of random pussy posting.

[Anders Hallin]

You're fucking retarded, Anders. No offense.
None taken, I'm sure.
spiffy pretty much summarized my own experience, and I think there's enough of a qualitative difference to make the distinction.

[Bill Dungsroman]

It makes the point that orgasms for different people at different times are different things, and so it doesn't entirely agree with the textbook definition, either. The issue of what is or is not an orgasm is not quite so black-and-white as whether or not there's an emission of semen. Dictionary definitions beg a certain amount of precision and ...well, definitiveness, but there's always exceptions when you're talking about something as complex as sexuality. You can't tell someone, "You didn't feel that way, you felt this way, because this book says so," because that person is the foremost expert on himself.
It's not merely a feeling Rimbo, it's a physiological event. The Parasympathetic branch of the autonomic nervous system controls erection of the peeeenis (specifically blood flow to it, whereupon the blood-filled erectile tissue pushes shut the more superficial vein responsible for draining the erectile tissue and erection is maintianed, in case you didn't know) and then, once sufficient stimulation by any means you'd care to express finally promote the Sympathetic Chain of the autonomic nervous system to initiate ejaculation, which isn't just sperm but a mixture of fluids from several glands (which is why dudes with vasectomies often still ejaculate some fluid, it is merely devoid of semen), you have what is called by every single practicing licensed medical doctor on earth an orgasm. Because, see, the totally k-rad endorphins released by BUSTING A WHOPPER NUT are mediated by the sympathetic yah-de-yah, get me?

Parasympathetic--->Stiffy-->Sympathetic--->Ejaculation--->Sympathetic--->Orgasm (as perceived by the brain)

It works loosely just like that.


The reactions to Anders' point that "male orgasms are not so prevalent as most think" were essentially saying, "Male orgasms happen every time there's an ejaculation!" In other words, we see most people thinking that male orgasms happen with every ejaculation (as Anders stated) and at least two individuals saying they don't (as Anders stated), so really the resistance only serves to prove the point.
No, it doesn't. In males, ejaculation is a precipating event in orgasm. It simply is. Insisting it isn't is retarded. Also, Anders beats off too much and is confusing the tendency for pleasure centers in the brain to show a decreased responsiveness to stimulation by the results of ejaculation.

You want to try to have an orgasm without ejaculation there, Sting? Here's how you do it: lay on your back and beat the hell off. Right when you are about to hammer yourself in the face with a choice load, drop your rocket and curl your jegs up in the fetal position tight, while still being on your back. The pain will probably cause you to shit on the bed and unless you dig on self-scheisser action, that ain't no orgasm, but it's the best you're gonna get.

[Anders Hallin]

No, it doesn't. In males, ejaculation is a precipating event in orgasm. It simply is. Insisting it isn't is retarded. Also, Anders beats off too much and is confusing the tendency for pleasure centers in the brain to show a decreased responsiveness to stimulation by the results of ejaculation.
Thanks for the speculation in my enjoyment of masturbation, but amazingly, it's not true. Gee, I guess sometimes people don't work exactly like you want them to, imagine that.
I'm sorry, Bill, but to me the word "orgasm" implies something significant in regards to pleasure. If you don't think so, fair enough.

[Destarius]

Thanks for the speculation in my enjoyment of masturbation, but amazingly, it's not true. Gee, I guess sometimes people don't work exactly like you want them to, imagine that.
I'm sorry, Bill, but to me the word "orgasm" implies something significant in regards to pleasure. If you don't think so, fair enough.

Maybe you're dyfunctional. Your misuse of a word doesn't magically redefine it for everyone else.

[extarbags]

Yeah, what's so hard to understand about this? You don't experience earth-shaking bliss every time you ejaculate? Cool, that's true for everyone, I guess. Only problem is, you can't assign the word "orgasm" to that feeling, because it's kind of already taken. It's like if you said "not all cow meat is beef," and someone replied with "well actually, it does, because beef is defined as the stuff that cows are made of," and you shot back with "oh sorry, but to me, the word beef implies something significant in regards to taste and texture." It doesn't work.

Here, I'll reword your original post to make it make more sense:

I rather think that male turbogasms are a bit less prevalent than many think. Ejaculations are easy, and nice enough, but there is in my experience (lol) definitely a difference between that and turborgasm.

[hong]

turbogasm

I nominate this for word of the year. Seconds?

[Damien Falgoust]

You want to try to have an orgasm without ejaculation there, Sting? Here's how you do it: lay on your back and beat the hell off. Right when you are about to hammer yourself in the face with a choice load, drop your rocket and curl your jegs up in the fetal position tight, while still being on your back. The pain will probably cause you to shit on the bed and unless you dig on self-scheisser action, that ain't no orgasm, but it's the best you're gonna get. Somehow, somewhere, I'll bet there is a website devoted to this practice. I'm sure as hell not Googling for it, though.

And I second the turbogasm nomination.

[SlyFrog]

Yeah, what's so hard to understand about this? You don't experience earth-shaking bliss every time you ejaculate? Cool, that's true for everyone, I guess. Only problem is, you can't assign the word "orgasm" to that feeling, because it's kind of already taken. It's like if you said "not all cow meat is beef," and someone replied with "well actually, it does, because beef is defined as the stuff that cows are made of," and you shot back with "oh sorry, but to me, the word beef implies something significant in regards to taste and texture." It doesn't work.

Here, I'll reword your original post to make it make more sense:

Yes. When you've reached the point where you're absent mindedly rubbing one out between work meetings (or during), then you have no right to wonder why it's not as "special" as it once was.

[Anders Hallin]

Yeah, what's so hard to understand about this? You don't experience earth-shaking bliss every time you ejaculate? Cool, that's true for everyone, I guess. Only problem is, you can't assign the word "orgasm" to that feeling, because it's kind of already taken. It's like if you said "not all cow meat is beef," and someone replied with "well actually, it does, because beef is defined as the stuff that cows are made of," and you shot back with "oh sorry, but to me, the word beef implies something significant in regards to taste and texture." It doesn't work.
Sigh, dictionary time (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/orgasm)!
the physical and emotional sensation experienced at the peak of sexual excitation, usually resulting from stimulation of the sexual organ and usually accompanied in the male by ejaculation.
In that definition, I don't see anything saying "ejaculation = male orgasm". Thus I don't think I'm too out of line to suggest that the peak of sexual excitation may occur less often than an ejaculation.

To be fair, though none of the orgasm definitions require an ejaculation, 1-2 of the five definitions of ejaculation (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ejaculation) does make that connection.
And checking a Swedish dictionary on the word "ejakulation" (guess what it means!) it gives a pretty medical definition, ending with "usually in conjunction with orgasm".
So I'd say that while the connection is common, it's not necessarily a given.
Of course, I'd say that anyway, since the definition of words are always being negotiated, and rightly so.

[Bill]

This thread is useless without pictures.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Sigh, dictionary time (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/orgasm)!

In that definition, I don't see anything saying "ejaculation = male orgasm". Thus I don't think I'm too out of line to suggest that the peak of sexual excitation may occur less often than an ejaculation.

To be fair, though none of the orgasm definitions require an ejaculation, 1-2 of the five definitions of ejaculation (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ejaculation) does make that connection.
And checking a Swedish dictionary on the word "ejakulation" (guess what it means!) it gives a pretty medical definition, ending with "usually in conjunction with orgasm".
So I'd say that while the connection is common, it's not necessarily a given.
Of course, I'd say that anyway, since the definition of words are always being negotiated, and rightly so.
Dude. The dictionary? Guyton's Medical Physiology is used in nearly every American Medical School as the gold standard textbook. Beyond that, DUH. This thread is mind-boggling.

If ejaculation doesn't 100% correlate to orgasm in a male, then some population of men have no sympathetic recursive innervation to the pleasure centers of their brain. Which means they NEVER have orgasms, so if you have had orgasms, or felt them Anders, then you are not among them.

[Anders Hallin]

Dude. The dictionary? Guyton's Medical Physiology is used in nearly every American Medical School as the gold standard textbook. Beyond that, DUH. This thread is mind-boggling.

If ejaculation doesn't 100% correlate to orgasm in a male, then some population of men have no sympathetic recursive innervation to the pleasure centers of their brain. Which means they NEVER have orgasms, so if you have had orgasms, or felt them Anders, then you are not among them.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the number of times orgasms are talked about in the clinical medical sense is quite in the minority. If we have a word for "the physical and emotional sensation experienced at the peak of sexual excitation" then it seems like a stupid idea to not use it in that way. It's the way that word is usually understood. My claim is merely that ejaculations can be quite far from that dictionary criteria, and those criteria make a lot more sense in daily conversation than the medical definition.

The point of my post was to point out that it's not actually always used in the way a lot of people in this thread claim, not to claim support by the biggest book o' words.

[Bill Dungsroman]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the number of times orgasms are talked about in the clinical medical sense is quite in the minority.
Yes, because sexual-related dysfunctions never happen, so who gives a shit about them in medicine. DUDE I JUST READ MY TEXTBOOK OMG.


If we have a word for "the physical and emotional sensation experienced at the peak of sexual excitation" then it seems like a stupid idea to not use it in that way. It's the way that word is usually understood. My claim is merely that ejaculations can be quite far from that dictionary criteria, and those criteria make a lot more sense in daily conversation than the medical definition.
But but but Anderrrrrs, a male cannot achieve his peak of sexual excitation without ejaculation. Because, uh...that's what it is.

It's like this, more or less (for males):

Ejaculation is the physical sensation and orgasm is the emotional sensation.

The two are inextricably intertwined.

The point of my post was to point out that it's not actually always used in the way a lot of people in this thread claim, not to claim support by the biggest book o' words.
Your dictionary is probably bigger than my Phys text and aside from that, that's a real weakass way to slink out of the discussion.

[Matthew Gallant]

This thread is useless without pictures. http://www.truemeaningoflife.com/images/therearefourglands.gif

[Rimbo]

http://www.truemeaningoflife.com/images/therearefourglands.gif

ROTFLMAO!

I love the image title even better.

[Rimbo]

Your misuse of a word doesn't magically redefine it for everyone else.

I agree; that's a sound principle.

Evidence always trumps scientific consensus. If you'll recall the famous (if apocryphal) story of Galileo discussing gravity with the priest/bishop over dinner: No amount of quoting scientific texts of the era, no amount of appeals to authority, would cause a grape to hit the ground after an orange dropped at the same time from the same height. No amount of devotion or education would get the sun revolving around the Earth. By the same token, no amount of quoting dictionaries, lectures and other authoritative literature is going to make every man have an orgasm every time he ejaculates.

What we have in this case is where a medical dictionary's definition of a word doesn't magically make things the case for everyone. Its misuse of the term, no matter how authoritative the text is, doesn't make things the case for all people.

"In Science, there are no authorities." --Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

[Bill Dungsroman]

I agree; that's a sound principle.

Evidence always trumps scientific consensus. If you'll recall the famous (if apocryphal) story of Galileo discussing gravity with the priest/bishop over dinner: No amount of quoting scientific texts of the era, no amount of appeals to authority, would cause a grape to hit the ground after an orange dropped at the same time from the same height. No amount of devotion or education would get the sun revolving around the Earth. By the same token, no amount of quoting dictionaries, lectures and other authoritative literature is going to make every man have an orgasm every time he ejaculates.

What we have in this case is where a medical dictionary's definition of a word doesn't magically make things the case for everyone. Its misuse of the term, no matter how authoritative the text is, doesn't make things the case for all people.

"In Science, there are no authorities." --Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
Alright then: right now, anyone who has ejaculated and felt absolutely nothing, no pleasure of any kind whatsoever, chime in. Because that is what your position is, Rimbo. You ejaculate and the only physical cue you have is some goop comes out, is that it? You refuse to elaborate. Orgasm isn't some transcendent hippie-humpy like, y'knew, wow man spiritual journey to the center of one's own state of hedonistic nirvana, it's a clinical term for busting your nut and feeling it. You realize feeling somethingis the result of stimulated nerve centers propogating impulses back to the pleasure centers of the brain? It's not some intangible action. It can be observed. It has been observed. You quote Galileo; we aren't talking about inobservable events subject to conjecture. Man, are you out of it.

This argument is directly analogous to saying that, for a normal person, you can urinate and void your bladder yet still feel like you have to pee right after you finish, and you never feel your bladder empty nor the pressure relieved.

I think Anders is saying his orgasms have to feel good enough to qualify as such. Like, his 5th of the morning lacks the necessary oomph above some abitrary threshold he has set for himself. You, however...you're just insane.

And BTW, only you would be so insane and retarded to, once confronted with facts, rebuke them in the name of...having to be right at all costs. It's really fucking pathetic. All you can do is tell me I'm wrong, without ever once explaining why. You aren't clever nor learned enough in this regard to do so, IMO. But you keep quoting Carl Sagan. That totally works.

[Anders Hallin]

But but but Anderrrrrs, a male cannot achieve his peak of sexual excitation without ejaculation. Because, uh...that's what it is.

It's like this, more or less (for males):

Ejaculation is the physical sensation and orgasm is the emotional sensation.

The two are inextricably intertwined.
My point is about orgasm-less ejaculations, not ejaculation-less orgasms, but there seems to be a lot of people saying that this is indeed possible. I've never had one, though.

If the emotional effect is not significant enough for the subject to put much weight to it, is it really worth mentioning? Sure, measuring chemical reaction has its place, but since this is on the subject of emotions, how that registers in the subjective experience has quite a lot of weight for me.

[Joel]

Alright then: right now, anyone who has ejaculated and felt absolutely nothing, no pleasure of any kind whatsoever, chime in.

Hi!

Having experienced the range of orgasm from "piff" to "frrararargggghmmmmruuooooouuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh" (falling farther to the latter often when high on the marijuana), I guess I'll have to be your anecedotal disappointed, jizz-covered evidence.

I've certainly experience orgasm-less ejaculations, where I more or less just felt the physical sensation of squirting out a load but none of the pleasant, tingly feelings normally associated with an orgasm. In fact, in my case, my Don Johnson can often go completely numb. It's not common, but it's happened plenty of times.

And I wouldn't call the orgasm emotional. That's weird. A proper orgasm is definitely a physical, electrical sensation.

[Bill Dungsroman]

Well, I suppose we are at an impasse. Orgasm is a physiological, uanvoidable sequelae of ejaculation that occurs even if there is no perceived sensation. If you've ever felt an orgasm, then you are cpable of feeling one as anyone else does even when you think you haven't. However, it's pointless to debate it further, and I will acknowledge an analagous cultural definition where the term is used strictly as a sensational-based one.

[Slainte Mhath]

Damn, some folks put way too much thought into the whole process. It's pretty simple really, women simply have to be present to make the guys feel good, guys need to put forth a little effort to reciprocate and make the ladies enjoy the activity, and when we're all done and everyone's happy, we make sandwiches and watch TV.

Climbing mountains or riding waterslides? Orgasms without ejaculation? Ejaculation without orgasims? Needing drugs and/or alcohol to induce arousal? All this useless pontification takes time away from the sandwiches and TV.

[Jason McCullough]

Whatever they put in the medical dictionaries, I'm agreeing with Anders. Try out some of the stuff in The multi-orgasmic male (http://www.amazon.com/Multi-Orgasmic-Man-Sexual-Secrets-Should/dp/0062513362/sr=8-1/qid=1162834815/ref=sr_1_1/002-7033210-2224846?ie=UTF8&s=books) and get back to us.

[Slainte Mhath]

Need For Speed : Turbogasm coming soon to the PC, PS3 and 360.

[Anders Hallin]

History will judge us, Bill! Harshly, I am sure. [/exaggeration theatre]

[ElGuapo]

http://www.knitemare.org/cats/270911970_db35fdd4ca.jpg

Please don't post Serious Cat anymore. I work in serious place. It's bad form to laugh out loud whilst at one's computer. So when I see Serious Cat, I have to laugh silently, which makes me shake and my face turn red and look like I'm having a heart attack.

Is that cat photoshopped? It looks like the kind of eerie picture you see on the cover of the National Enquirer. Man cat born in Toledo!

[Damien Falgoust]

That cat is Donald Pleasance reincarnated, methinks.

[Winifred]

What I find ironic is all the wanking going on in this thread, but moving on.

Orgasm: Whoo Hoo!
Orgasm on Pot: Whoo Hooo....Wow!
Orgasm on Booze: Whooooz!
Orgasm on Acid: Yeah...that's really only for the experts. You'd be amazed at how long you can laugh at a penis.