View Full Version : Wii: Red Steel: Sub-par graphics: I like colons
Post-It
10-10-2006, 03:59 PM
Some new media from the game:
http://gonintendo.com/?p=6578
YouTube links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGZDTdxtWwU&eurl=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Xkazx99S0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weCnmgKFDfY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ciCVDYta1g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdiSMtOdlms
Hopefully this:
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/49141520061010_140611_5_big.jpg
is going to get better. Because that looks like the original UT engine with a better lighting system. Also, do people hold revolvers sideways? I thought that was an automatic. Of course, I'm not up-to-date with current hood pistol posturing.
(Also, I searched for a Red Steel thread but couldn't find one)
Charles
10-10-2006, 04:00 PM
Hopefully this:
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/49141520061010_140611_5_big.jpg
is going to get better.
Hey, cool, they are building the game as a Deus Ex mod!
MatthewF
10-10-2006, 04:14 PM
Uhm, actually, it looks like Unreal Engine 2 (http://www.pc-erfahrung.de/Daten/Bilder/linux_ut2004_01.jpg) or possibly even 2.5, judging from the post processing and shaders on the swords. If I'm not mistaken that's the engine they're using.
nixon66
10-10-2006, 04:22 PM
. Also, do people hold revolvers sideways? I thought that was an automatic. Of course, I'm not up-to-date with current hood pistol posturing.
I think Red Steel "looks" at how you are holding the Wii-mote and if you have it turned to it's side you hold your gun kinda like that. At least that's what it looked like from some of those videos.
stusser
10-10-2006, 04:23 PM
Alright, CRATES! A warehouse level! I'm sold!!!!
Linoleum
10-10-2006, 04:25 PM
Uhm, actually, it looks like Unreal Engine 2 (http://www.pc-erfahrung.de/Daten/Bilder/linux_ut2004_01.jpg) or possibly even 2.5, judging from the post processing and shaders on the swords. If I'm not mistaken that's the engine they're using.
Not Unreal. Also, the GPU has no shaders.
Post-It
10-10-2006, 04:27 PM
Hey, cool, they are building the game as a Deus Ex mod!
Hahahahaha! Charles, I know we're both huge DX fans and that is EXACTLY the first thing I thought of when I saw this shot!
MatthewF
10-10-2006, 04:29 PM
Not Unreal. Also, the GPU has no shaders.
I'm not talking about hardware pixel shaders, but the Unreal 2 software shaders. Not the same thing. And yes, it is Unreal Engine (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/17/red-steel-info-from-down-under/).
Red Steel is running on the improved version Unreal engine for the Wii system. A large portion of our team has already worked with the Unreal engine. They are already well aware of its strengths and weaknesses. We have pushed the engine to its limits to offer a rich, colored and different setting to the player.
Linoleum
10-10-2006, 04:40 PM
I stand corrected, they must have done a hell of a lot of work on it, I don't recall Epic ever having an official GameCube target.
MatthewF
10-10-2006, 04:41 PM
They don't have one for Gamecube or Wii and never will. I guess they actually made the port themselves. And yeah, that's a hell of a lot of work.
stusser
10-10-2006, 04:45 PM
Actually, the screenshots look a lot like NOLF2. If I showed you this NOLF2 screenshot (http://www.shacknews.com/screens.x/nolf2/No+One+Lives+Forever+2/2/032202/street2.jpg) compared to this one (http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/49141520061010_140612_6_big.jpg) from red steel, crappy bloom aside, wouldn't you buy that it came from the same game? NOLF2 really rocked. Of course it came out in 2002.
MatthewF
10-10-2006, 04:50 PM
Yeah it's definitely looking more current-gen than nextgen. UT2003 came out what, December 2002? So that comparison sounds about right.
nachobox
10-10-2006, 05:09 PM
Hey, cool, they are building the game as a Deus Ex mod!
I thought the exact same thing. Isn't that the jumpsuit that the chopper mechanics wear in some DX level or other?
BobJustBob
10-10-2006, 06:50 PM
Looks great.
wumpus
10-10-2006, 07:19 PM
.. FOR ME TO POOP ON!
But seriously, who is buying the Wii for its graphical prowess? Nobody. They're buying it for the awesome name.
Does look dead on like it's from Deus Ex.
Bob Violence
10-10-2006, 07:48 PM
Those "screenshots" are, what, twice the Wii's maximum resolution?
Theodore Rex DX
10-10-2006, 07:56 PM
Hopefully this:
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/49141520061010_140611_5_big.jpg
is going to get better. Because that looks like the original UT engine with a better lighting system. Also, do people hold revolvers sideways? I thought that was an automatic. Of course, I'm not up-to-date with current hood pistol posturing.
(Also, I searched for a Red Steel thread but couldn't find one)
It's not going to get better because the system is launching soon. The pistol is tilted probably because the on-screen weapon responds to whatever the player is doing. It's actually kind of cool: now people will realise just how stupid it is to do that.
stusser
10-10-2006, 08:16 PM
Those "screenshots" are, what, twice the Wii's maximum resolution?
Good catch! The actual game won't even look as good as those crappy jpegs.
Enduro_Man
10-10-2006, 08:16 PM
Hey, cool, they are building the game as a Deus Ex mod!
Yum sing!
Tyjenks
10-10-2006, 08:19 PM
He said he likes colons!!! Childish or not, someone should have made a reference including someone's Wii and colons by now.
jim crawford
10-10-2006, 09:38 PM
Good catch! The actual game won't even look as good as those crappy jpegs.
Actually, the high resolution of those shots probably contributes to the crappiness. The graphics have been optimized for the resolution of an SDTV, not a monitor.
I must not be Mr. Discerning, because those graphics look completely passable to me (in the video, that is -- the screenshots actually look worse to me, but I'd be playing it at low-res with "natural antialiasing" (ie. blurry non-HDTV) anyways). They're no Devil May Cry 4, but they do appear to be at least a modest cut above what can be pushed by current late-gen consoles.
Is it fun? In this game's case, I think that is 110% going to be based on how the control implementation feels, and this game looks to be the acid test for just how tight the Wii motion detector actually is, since we'll be using it as a hardcore FPS mouse both for aiming and turning.
Much moreso than usual, Red Steel is probably going to be either stellar or a stinkbomb. I'd have trouble imagining this somewhere in between; it's certainly got a lot that it's going to have to get "just right" or it will flop, but the potential is there for "teh awesomess" more than most.
The graphics have been optimized for the resolution of an SDTV
Is that the new marketing speak for "crappy"? Because man that looks crappy. I know, I know, I'm a nattering naybob, but what sort of talking point is "Our graphics don't need to look good because we aren't including HD support?" Will Nintendo provide complimentary pupil dilating eyedrops for their flagship titles?
And it's not like you can't tell the difference between a PS2 game and a Xbox 360 game on a SD TV. Beyond the Trespasser flashback arm movements, those videos look like Soldier of Fortune or something.
Jason Becker
10-11-2006, 12:50 AM
The people taking shots at the graphics of Red Steel sound about as dumb as the ones who were going on about the DS vs the PSP. Because the PSP with its superior hardware has so owned the..wait a minute.
jim crawford
10-11-2006, 01:54 AM
I know, I know, I'm a nattering naybob, but what sort of talking point is "Our graphics don't need to look good because we aren't including HD support?"
The sort of point you're making up and attributing to other people.
The point I made is merely that it will look better on an SDTV than it does on your monitor. This is hardly unique to Red Steel; most any current or previous generation 3D console content will look awful (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?t=28673) if you render it at PC resolution. Why waste artist effort or disc space on detail that you can't even see on your target display?
I'm certainly not expecting next-gen graphics from any Wii game, I'm just saying that Ubisoft is making better use of its capabilities than those screenshots would indicate.
Rob_Merritt
10-11-2006, 04:53 AM
The people taking shots at the graphics of Red Steel sound about as dumb as the ones who were going on about the DS vs the PSP. Because the PSP with its superior hardware has so owned the..wait a minute.
The wants and needs for the portable market are different than the home console market.
Misguided
10-11-2006, 05:34 AM
I think it looks *FAR* better now than it did at E3.
quatoria
10-11-2006, 11:56 AM
Alright, CRATES! A warehouse level! I'm sold!!!!
Dude, come on - you haven't even seen the lava-filled sewer yet!
Coca Cola Zero
10-11-2006, 11:58 AM
The only problem I have with the look of Red Steel is that the character models look goofy (which appears to be an art problem, not a technology one). The environments look pretty good. I'm not that interested in the game though because it looks like the controls are pretty wonky. They should have made it a fixed-but-moving camera game like an arcade shooter (eg. Time Crisis), then I'd be interested.
Ben Sones
10-11-2006, 12:04 PM
Dude, come on - you haven't even seen the lava-filled sewer yet!
Is that right after the level where you get captured and they take away all of your items?
quatoria
10-11-2006, 12:08 PM
Is that right after the level where you get captured and they take away all of your items?
Yeah, it's the part where you have to stack crates using your real-physics arm to reach the researchers have hung from the ceiling. Uh, I mean, your guns.
unbongwah
10-11-2006, 12:48 PM
Dude, come on - you haven't even seen the lava-filled sewer yet!
Will there be free-floating platforms too?
KaoFloppy
10-11-2006, 02:04 PM
Will there be free-floating platforms too?
Yes, all iced-up and ready for you to land on.
I wonder if I can see my feet when I look down?
Jason Becker
10-11-2006, 02:06 PM
The wants and needs for the portable market are different than the home console market.
Yea because the games with the best graphics in the home market always win out over the sub-par ones too...ohh wait.
I guess the online "hardcore" gamer crowed will never realize most people could give two shits about graphics if the game is fun to them..
I guess the online "hardcore" gamer crowed will never realize most people could give two shits about graphics if the game is fun to them..
Yes, because a $250 console selling $50 games about shooting/stabbing people is totally going to sell to the Bejeweled crowd. Mainstream gamers(Madden, GTA, Final Fantasy) aren't buying $400 video cards but they do care.
BobJustBob
10-11-2006, 02:26 PM
Yes, because a $250 console selling $50 games about shooting/stabbing people is totally going to sell to the Bejeweled crowd. Mainstream gamers(Madden, GTA, Final Fantasy) aren't buying $400 video cards but they do care.
If they're buying Madden and GTA then no they don't.
Rimbo
10-11-2006, 06:12 PM
Actually, the screenshots look a lot like NOLF2. If I showed you this NOLF2 screenshot (http://www.shacknews.com/screens.x/nolf2/No+One+Lives+Forever+2/2/032202/street2.jpg) compared to this one (http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/49141520061010_140612_6_big.jpg) from red steel, crappy bloom aside, wouldn't you buy that it came from the same game? NOLF2 really rocked. Of course it came out in 2002.
Both look better than anything I've got right now, and more than good enough to be fun. *shrug*
The people in the last screenshot on the parent post, though, are terribly modeled. I worry more about the art direction than the tech level.
stusser
10-11-2006, 06:47 PM
NOLF2 looks better than anything you've got right now? What are you fielding, a 486dx2 and a n64?
nabeel
10-11-2006, 08:39 PM
The game doesn't look so incredibly terrible, I think. Check out this gameplay vid (http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/red-steel-video-26364.html).
Check out this gameplay vid (http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/red-steel-video-26364.html).
Actually, the swordfighting scene at the end of that looks far and away better than anything else. I was actually less impressed by that clip, not so much because of its graphics technology so much as the environment demonstrated seeming... eh... uninspired. Hopefully most of the game doesn't take place in a warehouse.
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