LOL Michael Moore booed at Oscars.

[Anonymous]

In giving his speech for his Bowling for Columbine win, Michael Moore went on his usual election, anti-Bush, anti-American rant and got booed by other liberals. LOL. How low can you go?

[Anonymous]

I loved how Steve Martin came back on that... "It's so touching back there... the Teamsters are helping Michael Moore into the trunk of his limo."

Shut the Fuck Up Moore. You want to know what else was fictious? Communism. Get over it!

Thank God there were boos...

[Anonymous]

Oh yeah, Jack Valenti was the next guy on stage after Moore, and I'm surprised he didn't comment about either Moore or the war or something. It's not as if he's not a stranger to politics; he used to be one of LBJ's closest aides. So much so that you can see him in the photograph of LBJ getting sworn in on Air Force One on the way back from Dallas.

[Anonymous]

Holy hell that was hilarious. It was so refreshing to see that even liberals could be rational and boo his extremist load of horseshit. What an embarrassment. As he was leaving, he looked genuinely shocked he was booed off the stage. He must feel like a total putz. Fucking classic.

[Anonymous]

got booed by other liberals.

It was so refreshing to see that even liberals could be rational

How do you know he was booed by liberals? Did you see who was doing the boing? Was there a political affiliation check at the door?

How low can you go?

Oh, I dunno... Pandering to an audience to curry applause is a good start.

[Anonymous]

Oooh, Susan Sarandon is now on stage... will she also do a Moore?

[Anonymous]

After Moore getting anally violated by boos, I doubt even Martin Sheen would dare go on to a rant.

[Troy S Goodfellow]

He was hardly "booed off the stage". The band started playing and his time was up. Hell, he can rant for hours.

And they weren't all boos. There was a smattering of (faint) applause in the audience, but mostly shocked looks from what I could tell.

If he'd stuck to the war, I think, he would have been cheered. But his charge of a "fictitious president" and "fictitious election results" got his speech off to a dreadful start.

It's better than pretending the war isn't happening, though.

Troy

[Ben Sones]

How do you know he was booed by liberals? Did you see who was doing the boing? Was there a political affiliation check at the door?

It's a theater full of Hollywood actors. I'd give you 10 to 1 odds on any given actor that they are liberal, 4 to 1 that they are extremely liberal, and 2 to 1 that they donate money to the church of Scientology.

I mean, we're not talking about a random sampling of political opinions here.

[Anonymous]

Hahahaha, gotta love Adrien Brody just now. Just running up and planting a huge one on Halle Barry is just timeless now.

Good for him... he was the only one of the 5 nominated actors who didn't have a Best Actor Oscar already. It would have just been the rich getting richer with the other 4.

[Anonymous]

He was hardly "booed off the stage". The band started playing and his time was up. Hell, he can rant for hours.

And they weren't all boos. There was a smattering of (faint) applause in the audience, but mostly shocked looks from what I could tell.

Hah, you musta been watching a different speech than I was. He was booed loudly. And when Steve Martin ripped him one afterward, people cheered about as loud as they have all night.

Michael Moore needs to:

1) Go on the Subway diet
2) Take a bath
3) Have some respect

[Anonymous]

It's a theater full of Hollywood actors. I'd give you 10 to 1 odds on any given actor that they are liberal, 4 to 1 that they are extremely liberal, and 2 to 1 that they donate money to the church of Scientology.

I mean, we're not talking about a random sampling of political opinions here.

You're full of shit.

1) The Oscars is about the entire film industry, not just actors. Film producers, film financiers, film company executives, film industry journalists attend, as well as other miscellaneous high rollers. Unfortunately for you, there aren't any lazy stereotypes at hand to describe the political inclinations of those other people, so in this case I'm sorry to say you may actually have to think for yourself and not blindly spurt out supposed facts based on nothing but political slogans about "meddling liberal celebrities."

2) Bruce Willis, Jean-Claude Van Damme, Gary Oldman, and many other prominent actors are conservatives.

[Troy S Goodfellow]

He was hardly "booed off the stage". The band started playing and his time was up. Hell, he can rant for hours.

And they weren't all boos. There was a smattering of (faint) applause in the audience, but mostly shocked looks from what I could tell.

Hah, you musta been watching a different speech than I was. He was booed loudly. And when Steve Martin ripped him one afterward, people cheered about as loud as they have all night.

Michael Moore needs to:

1) Go on the Subway diet
2) Take a bath
3) Have some respect

Where did I say he wasn't booed loudly? I'm just saying that I heard faint applause too. People who want to boo, boo loudly. I've never heard a half-hearted boo, have you?

Troy

[Anonymous]

Hey,I thought Bill O'Reilly, the political hero of many around these parts said the other day that Hollywood was full of Bush-supporting hawks who told him they were "afraid to speak their opinions" for fear of reprisal. Guess these hearty souls grew some stones when part of a large anonymous crowd, and graced us with this brave utterance of reproach.

[sellthekids]

2) Bruce Willis, Jean-Claude Van Damme, Gary Oldman, and many other prominent actors are conservatives.

should have used Schwarzenegger instead of Oldman and you could have made a comment about how shitty of actors they are too....

:wink:

[Anonymous]

Heh, isn't this typical of the BBC. They put Moore's slam of Bush as top news, but they don't even mention he was loudly booed off the stage.

[chet]

Moore would have been fine if he didn't go off like sinner posting under some new alias in these forums. Instead of having some dignity or class in his protest, the shame on you mr president was laughable. It equally matched his recent open letter to the president where he refers to George Bush as Govenore Bush - ooh good one!

And he was booed, what else would you call that??? The reaction to Martin's joke following clearly showed what people thought of Moore's comments.

I am not a fan of bush, but moore is a moron, and I guess he didn't catch the latest news. (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull%26cid=1048389503299) (poenews/poenews)

Chet

[wumpus]

The latest news? (click)
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[Captain Cookiepants]

I am not a fan of bush, but moore is a moron, and I guess he didn't catch the latest news. (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull%26cid=1048389503299) (poenews/poenews)

Chet

Probably didn't want to risk more spam by signing up to yet another news site.

[sellthekids]

for those who don't watch the awards circuit....

http://www.oscars.com/oscarnight/winners/win_32297.html


Whoa. On behalf of our producers Kathleen Glynn and Michael Donovan from Canada, I'd like to thank the Academy for this. I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to — they're here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction. We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons. Whether it's the fictition of duct tape or fictition of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you. And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up. Thank you very much.

[Anonymous]

Too bad the transcript didn't enter -boos- after every other word.

The funny thing is, Moore used this same rant last night at the Independent Spirit Awards. It's almost worse he couldn't even think of new material.

[Jason McCullough]

Reports I saw said he got a standing ovation.

[Captain Cookiepants]

Reports I saw said he got a standing ovation.

I heard he got on a magical unicorn and flew away to a fairy land of sugar lakes and gumdrop houses.

[Anonymous]

Given your general mental state, somehow that's not surprising.

[Kyle Wilson]

Probably didn't want to risk more spam by signing up to yet another news site.

Someone's been kind enough to register with the standard Qt3 gamers/gamers login at the Jerusalem Post. It's another article about tonight's capture of a chemical weapons plant. Presumably a "fictitious" chemical weapons plant, according to Michael Moore.

[Met_K]

Why not witness it yourself, then, Jason? You seem to plant extremely precise critical analysis on everything right once you've witnessed something first hand. I mean, look at Vietnam, what's really going on in Iraq and in our own country, the Academy Awards. You were at the war, at every point in our country and another, and the Awards... all at once! I knew it!

OPEN YOUR EYES YOU BLIND COCK-SUCKING ASS. Christ. Fuck your reports and fuck your little anti-everything-except-what-I-deem-right attitude. Fuck it.

[Captain Cookiepants]

Given your general mental state, somehow that's not surprising.

Haha! Following every one of my posts with your little 'zings' is really a great concept! No really. I'm being completely and totally honest here, you are brilliant! I swear to you! Nono, believe me! There's NO way that I would consider your petty little shit comments to be pathetic and retarded. At all! Ever! You are to me as the sun to a flower! Please share more of your infinite wisdom! Please? How did this world EVER get along without people like you crapping all over the landscape and calling it art?? How I pity the poor dolts that are not here at this time to bask in your splendor and read your witty bon mots! I pity them, they will never know the joy that is Jumping Jesus following them around and shitting incoherent, bastardized versions of whatever you heard your daddy screaming in a drunken rage about whilst he 'whooped' on your momma for 'back sass'. Please, please, PLEASE stay here longer so that we can ALL learn the secrets to being an unparalleled genius who is right and good at all times! Please teach us more?


Okay, thanks Kyle.

[Anonymous]

Please, please, PLEASE stay here longer so that we can ALL learn the secrets to being an unparreleled genuis who is right and good at all times! Please teach us more?

Well... okay. You talked me into it.

[chet]

Jason, please - link to these magical reports. Am I write in guessing, you watched the show yourself, but since what you witnessed did not agree with you, you found a report somewhere that agreed with your hoped for version of events?

And please, don't link to michealmoore.com.

So please jason, you read reports - since you haven't gotten your monday edition of the daily worker, this means you read them online. So please - link to them. Show them. If any new source said that, they pretty much discredited anything they can say in the future.

Chet

[Lurker]

I don't understand Moore hatred. I mean, I don't agree with everything the guy has ever said, but I watched his series of The Awful Truth, and the sort of things he does always promotes anti-hate, and he's quite obviously not about making money and looking out for number one. So what's wrong with that?

In one of the segments, he strongarms (through his usual humiliation tactics) a health insurance provider into saving a man's life from a completely curable disease, after they refused to pay for the operation based on some legalese or technicality (the man had paid every single premium). If that's what a "moron" is, then I only wish all the morons I've ever known could do as much.

He did other less impressive yet amusing things, like sent a pink bus full of flamboyant gays into a middle America anti-gay protest (signs that included, "God hates fags"). He also got a ficus plant elected until someone in office finally disqualified the votes. More people voted for the ficus than the other candidate.

Pretty much every regular on this board has voiced disgust at the Enron scandal. Moore used one segment trying to get a sheriff's office to invoke an outstanding warrant for the arrest of a CEO convicted of a corporate crime, but their response was, "99% of our arrests are for street crime."

Whether you agree with his ideals or not, there are universally fucked-up things he brings attention to without losing a sense of humor. Anyway, what my point? Oh yeah, that I'm interested to know why people can justify calling him a "fucking moron" regardless of whether they agree with his politics.

[chet]

Check what I said, I have nothing against him expressing his views - but he expressed them like a fucking moron. He did.

He has his moments when the subject of his anger can be broken down to a simple argrument - but he falls apart in complex questions or problems. He comes off as a bufoon, and plays that as this - look at me I am a regular joe.

Of course he is not alone, right now I am watching Tim Robbins claiming that we don't have a good track record with bringing democracy to areas of conflict, and he used North Korea as an example. Ummm... Tim... It is South Korea where we are - compare North Vs South and you pick the country you want to live in.

Chet

[Jason McCullough]

I didn't watch the show, but for chrissakes, that's what the wire feeds say. It's good to see Michael Moore gets you more pissed off than anything else, Metk.

AP (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=493&ncid=762&e=6&u=/ap/20030324/ap_en_mo/oscars_moore)

"LOS ANGELES - Michael Moore (news) criticized President Bush (news - web sites) and the U.S.-led war in Iraq (news - web sites) during his acceptance speech at Sunday's Academy Awards (news - web sites), drawing a partial standing ovation and some jeers from Hollywood's elite."

Reuters (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=638&ncid=762&e=2&u=/nm/20030324/en_nm/oscars_politics_moore_dc)

'Wagging his finger from the stage as he was both applauded and booed by the assembled celebrities, Moore said, 'We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you.'"

"Moore, who received a standing ovation from the assembled celebrities, invited the other nominees for best documentary film to join him onstage in solidarity against the war against Iraq (news - web sites)."

[chet]

That is some crazy ass reporting - I can see why you thought that - but wow - that isn't even close to the way I or the girlie saw it (she is a big moore fan so I don't think it was my opinion flavoring my view.).

People were behind moore winning, people were applauding, people applauded his bringing up all the other docu makers - people were even fine when he started into his stupidity, but as soon as people realized how stupid he was being, the boos came heavy.

By the way - 1972 acceptance speech from Jane Fonda, someone not known for hiding her opinion.

Thank you, thank you very much, members of the Academy, and thank all of you who applauded. There's a great deal to say, and I'm not going to say it tonight. I would just like to really thank you very much.".


Chet

[wumpus]

or the girlie
Chet, I have one question for you: can you rock a house party at the drop of a hat?

[chet]

Look - she isn't my wife and we are not common-law-married. But saying girlfriend sounds stupid, we have lived together for 11 years and I have known her for 16. Life partner sounds gay, especially because her nickname is harry. I guess I could use lover? Would that make you happy?

Chet

[Met_K]

I didn't watch the show, but for chrissakes, that's what the wire feeds say. It's good to see Michael Moore gets you more pissed off than anything else, Metk.

It's not Michael Moore that gets my flame aching for some gas, it's you. You're a whole fucking tanker thrown on the fire. Your ill-informed opinions, your completely uneducated and blatantly biased way of presenting said opinions just turns me into a god damn bottle rocket. Never, never, never before have I seen someone so insistant on thrusting their unwanted ramblings onto a group of people who would rather just whip out their dicks and mushroom you until you die of heart failure. Do you purposely try and say the most dumbfounded and irritating things? Do you realize how wrong you are in almost every political and military aspect possible? You wouldn't be right about something you've ever said if wumpus were to suddenly get Tom to quit journalism, Mark came out of the closet to his wife, Tyjenks stopped supporting System Of A Down, and I stopped liking insulting the fire out of you.

Hell, you wouldn't be right about a single good god damn fucking hell of a thing if you were a walking, talking, giant cunt just waiting for me to fuck it but I had to give in and say uncle first.

Now, please, a bus with your name on it's bumper is waiting for you.

[Brad Grenz]

Jason, turn on the news, you'll see it eventually. Some did applaud (I didn't notice very many standing) but the boos overwhelmed the clapping pretty handily toards the end. It should be noted that a lot of the celebrities knew well enough not to boo or clap and just sat their with amused looks on their faces. The noise was coming from the nose bleeds.

I don't understand Moore hatred. I mean, I don't agree with everything the guy has ever said, but I watched his series of The Awful Truth, and the sort of things he does always promotes anti-hate, and he's quite obviously not about making money and looking out for number one. So what's wrong with that?

Well, if that was what he was still like he'd be ok. Unfortunately since then he's turned into a hysterical psychotic who never met a chance to badmouth republicans that he didn't like. And he's still using 6 month old French opinion polls to justify his opposition to the war. Dude, pick up a newspaper, opinions swinging well out of your reach, man.

[Jason McCullough]

Never, never, never before have I seen someone so insistant on thrusting their unwanted ramblings onto a group of people who would rather just whip out their dicks and mushroom you until you die of heart failure.

To my knowledge, you're the only person here my presence offends. Partisan, heal thyself.

[wumpus]

But saying girlfriend sounds stupid, we have lived together for 11 years and I have known her for 16
And saying girlie isn't stupid? This is news to me.

[Captain Cookiepants]

I like System of a Down too if that helps.

And I've got nothing against Moore either, I just hate people that overlook mountains to display their horizons. I mean he doesn't like Bush, fine not many people do, but because he doesn't like Bush EVERYTHING the president does is bad and wrong by default. If it were his guy in office he wouldn't be acting like this, that's pretty clear.

He overlooks mountains of evidence, ignores testimonials and news stories, disregards experts in the field, blows off intelligence reports and sworn testimony because he doesn't like the war because he doesn't like Bush. That's like saying that O.J. really was innocent and the rascist thing wasn't a smoke screen to confuse the jury.

That's what angers me about one or two people here; they hear an argument, ignore it, repeat their position and ask for evidence, get the evidence, ignore it, then repeat their position and ask for evidence, ad infinitum. It's frustrating, like arguing with a three year old 'Why?' 'Because' 'Why?' 'Because' 'Why?' ect.
People STILL carry 'No war for oil' signs to rallys.

[voltaic]

Jason, I was watching that part of the Oscars, your reports are wrong. My question for Moore, though, is: "what are fictitions?"

[Anonymous]

Asked what he thought of the catcalls, he said, "Don't report that there was a split decision in the hall because five loud people booed."

HAHAHA, Face it Moore! ALL OF AMERICA HATES YOU!

[Brad Grenz]

Wow, AND completely deluded.

[Jason McCullough]

I stand corrected I guess.

[Captain Cookiepants]

I stand corrected I guess.

Well no, just confused. Yes he recieved a standing ovation, but that was for his documentary on Columbine. THEN he started his speech...and the clapping faded...and the booing started...and the clapping stopped as the booing got worse.

So: Documentary on the weirdness and danger of public schools and how some kids can't adapt and how killing children is wrong*: clap clap clap.
Weird foaming at the mouth speech about fictious things and linking it ackwardly to movie: clap...clap...cl???...BOOOOOO.

Oh! JUST thought of this: Micheal Moore's next documentary: 'Booing for Columbine!' Hahahaahahaahaha...ha..ha...*ahem*...sorry...

*simplified for brevity

[graller]

As a somewhat impartial observer. I was lying there reading a book and watching on and off. I never saw the movie announced or the start of his speech. I looked up to see who the hell the audience was booing so badly. I caught about the last 2 sentences of Moore's speech. He was boo'ed off the stage for sure. It was not "Just 5 people" and it was not "a little heckling". Steve Martin definitely got his biggest laugh of the night cracking that the teamsters stuff Moore in the trunk of his limo as well.

[Tyjenks]

See what happens when I play games and don't check the board or watch the Oscars one time. Shit. I figured it was going to be a giant anti-war lovefest and I was not in the mood. Moore booed...Sarandon on coke...shit, shit, and double shit.

Cookiepants - your starting to make a little sense and you are an SoaD fan. Both scare me.

Chet - I thought common law marriage was 5 years. You better check that out. You may piss her off and she'll take half your stuff. What she will do with 100 websites, though, I have no idea.

McCullough - You said you stood corrected and respect soared and then I looked back and you added "I guess" and my good will went straight in the shitter. You can be wrong and life goes on. Look at me. I am a blithering idiot and yet people still reply to my posts.

MetK - can't really gripe about you because you are off hiatus and I don't want you taking another sabatical before Sparky can glean another post to lampoon.

wumpus - I don't know about rocking a house party, but I bet he can beat a biter down at the drop of a hat.

Grenz -Too much common sense. You really need to say something stoopid that I do not agree with so I can make fun of you.

Jesus - God's calling...he wants his kid's name back. You really need to move along to a knew anonymous alias. That one has outlived its usefulness. Eventually we will be ignoring every anonymously named post because you will have run through them all. Maybe you should start using some Scandanavian names and ration out the English names.

Lurker - I used to be a Moore fan to. His motivation for good is there, but the wires in his cabbage have fused some of that brain matter into a new form of looniness that cannot help but be regurgitated all over any camera that gets pointed at him.

Thanks to friends and family, my agent, the rest of the cast and anyone I missed you know who you are and I thank you to. No War for Oil!!! Bush is Hitler!!! And where's my $10 million dollar payday so I can get my proper perspective on what's going on in the world and with you common folk out there!

[Brian Rucker]

Moore's got the same problem alot of folks on the pro-war side have too - he's so convinced of his position that he has no idea how to express himself to other people anymore and he care less about convincing them than simply harganguing. Stick to the films, friend. I was very impressed with how other anti-war folks handled themselves for the most part - inflections of voice while describing their subjects, especially if they could be in any way interpreted as commentary about the war, or oblique and brief references to freedom of expression. Admittedly, I only caught a bit of the show as I was, like most others, hardwired to the cable news shows.

At any rate, I think it's fair to say you saw in the response to Moore what you wanted to see. If you're anti-war it's pretty easy to figure out that the same few folks were booing, very loudly and probably quite near the mics, while there was also pretty insistant applause if somewhat muted by distance to the mics or simply surprise at his stridency. There were clearly more puzzled or amused or uncomfortable expressions in the audience than there were hostile visages or supportive ones. I think Moore didn't get the memo that being rabidly and overtly political wasn't a good idea at this awards show - the country is still in the gung-ho phases of war. Reality hasn't quite gotten to the point that naked criticism in any forum is fashionable yet.

[Anonymous]

i know a lot of you guys are computer gosus so this should be easy to handle: find a shot of the crowd during moore's speech (there were several), particularly when there was a lot of booing. point out where the majority of people in the shot (hell, even one person) who are doing any sort of booing motion, and not just laughing or looking like a stunned fuckhole on legs. post picture here.

not so easy.

don't believe everything that you are fed from the idiot box.

moore is a jackass most of the time, but i'd rather listen to a celebrity make an ass out of himself on purpose by saying what he thinks than listen to another 9-mile thank you list and vain attempts for applause.

moore DID get a standing ovation when he walked up, meaning people either liked his movie or like him or both. either way they are already familiar with his views and still think he's good enough to get the 18th standing ovation of the night.

so why would they "boo him off the stage"?

[Tyjenks]

I have come to the conclusion that it is a govt. plot. Bush new the Oscars would be watched with particular focus on war sentiments from our real leaders. He had well placed secret service at specific points throughout the auditorium within mic-shot. It looks like his evil propaganda operation worked. Michael Moore was single handedly bringing an end to the war effort and he has now been symbolically assassinated by unseen forces. Someone check that Oscar footage for a grassy knoll and a puff of smoke.

[Anonymous]

I have come to the conclusion that it is a govt. plot. Bush new the Oscars would be watched with particular focus on war sentiments from our real leaders. He had well placed secret service at specific points throughout the auditorium within mic-shot. It looks like his evil propaganda operation worked. Michael Moore was single handedly bringing an end to the war effort and he has now been symbolically assassinated by unseen forces. Someone check that Oscar footage for a grassy knoll and a puff of smoke.

yea, you can blow off any anti-media argument by claiming a conspiracy theory. but is it really hard to turn up the mic in the peanut gallery when you realize they are booing the guy with the controversial views?

and yes, of course, bush was directly involved. i hear he had his idiot brother (not jeb, not neil but the other one) working as a janitor to fiddle the volume knobs.

[Squirrel Killer]

find a shot of the crowd during moore's speech (there were several), particularly when there was a lot of booing. point out where the majority of people in the shot (hell, even one person) who are doing any sort of booing motion, and not just laughing or looking like a stunned fuckhole on legs.

The woman two seats to the left of Julianne Moore was quite visably booing. There's your "one person." I didn't tape the show, nor do I want to download it off the internet just to get you a screenshot. But, as I saw it, the majority of the people in the lower section were sitting on their hands. The majority of the rest were either actively booing or waving their hands as if to shoo him off stage. Yes, there was some support for him, but not that much really.

moore DID get a standing ovation when he walked up, meaning people either liked his movie or like him or both. either way they are already familiar with his views and still think he's good enough to get the 18th standing ovation of the night.

so why would they "boo him off the stage"?

Yes MM did get an ovation when he was annouced as the winner, but to characterize him as getting a standing O for his comments is simply wrong.

He did not get "booed off the stage." He broke his speech for a second as the orchestra started up (SOP since his time was up) and they started lowering the mic volume cutting off his last comments (I can't remember if they had already started lowering the mic itself yet.) Indeed, I couldn't make out his last comment, and read it here first. Which is a shame because the Dixie Chicks as arbiters of if you're doing a good job comment was particularly funny (although not as he intended.)

[Tyjenks]

Just heard the clip after missing the show. Wow, that is a loud chorus of boos. I am sure the audio has been conspiratorially doctored so that his mic level was lowered and the boos were magnified, but you cannot mistake Moore's panic-stricken shrieks of a little girl as the music comes up and the imaginary hook appears around his neck and yanks him off stage.

[Anonymous]

Just heard the clip after missing the show. Wow, that is a loud chorus of boos. I am sure the audio has been conspiratorially doctored so that his mic level was lowered and the boos were magnified, but you cannot mistake Moore's panic-stricken shrieks of a little girl as the music comes up and the imaginary hook appears around his neck and yanks him off stage.

yay, another attempt to blow things out of the water with exagerrated conspiracy theories.

if you don't think it's possible to make things sound different than they are, then you are an idiot. no one said they doctored the audio. but they could have EASILY emphasized the nosebleeds or wherever the booing was coming from. hell, if someone said they did it to make applause sound more impressive, you wouldn't even blink.

did you see the footage? do you see masses of people booing in the lower section? nope. so where's this "chorus of boos" coming from? from the dipshits hidden away somewhere in a few chunks because they aren't famous/rich enough to get decent seats. if it was the majority of people booing, you'd think you'd see a bunch of people doing it in the crowd shots. maybe if you'd actually seen it, you'd be able to comment on these visual aspects.

as for the shrieking, i don't know what you are referring too. some other clip of moore acting out a scene from deliverance or something?

btw, did you know that some sitcoms don't have real audiences? they can make things SOUND one way on tv when something else is really happening. ah, the magic of technology.

[Anonymous]

The woman two seats to the left of Julianne Moore was quite visably booing. There's your "one person." I didn't tape the show, nor do I want to download it off the internet just to get you a screenshot. But, as I saw it, the majority of the people in the lower section were sitting on their hands. The majority of the rest were either actively booing or waving their hands as if to shoo him off stage. Yes, there was some support for him, but not that much really.

sorry, i do have it on tape and have rewatched: there are not that many people booing. most are just sitting there, looking like the dumb celebs that they are. others are laughing (i'm guess at, not with). there are very few booers.

Yes MM did get an ovation when he was annouced as the winner, but to characterize him as getting a standing O for his comments is simply wrong.

i didn't say that at all. but when bowling for columbine was nominated, EVERYONE knew that if he won, he was going to make some speech like this. you'd expect the crowd to be cringing when he waddled down to the stage, not giving him a standing o.

He did not get "booed off the stage." He broke his speech for a second as the orchestra started up (SOP since his time was up) and they started lowering the mic volume cutting off his last comments (I can't remember if they had already started lowering the mic itself yet.) Indeed, I couldn't make out his last comment, and read it here first. Which is a shame because the Dixie Chicks as arbiters of if you're doing a good job comment was particularly funny (although not as he intended.)

100% agree. he's often a loudmouth and last night was no exception. i can't think of many other instances where the dixie chicks and the pope are both referred to in the same line. a modern classic.

[Tyjenks]

btw, did you know that some sitcoms don't have real audiences? they can make things SOUND one way on tv when something else is really happening. ah, the magic of technology.

Listen my anon. friend, you are making me tired and it is only Monday. You are starting to sound like a shrieking little girl yourself. Of course I know they can fix things, no, I don't think all of Hollywood has turned against Moore, yes, I realize a few loud boo-birds can drown out applause and when no one else is making a peep the boos are that much louder.

I put forth an embellished view of the whole situation because Moore has become a kinda charicature of himself. It's like he was a comedian doing his best (or worst) impression of an anti-war protester. I just think it is funny that the admittedly majority liberal bunch that was at the show either looked at their feet, smirked nervously, or outright booed their own anti-war posterchild. It would be like Powell getting booed at a pro-troop rally. He went over the line and he still probably does not see it.

[Bub, Andrew]

I think it made people (celebs) uncomfortable because it really wasn't appropriate. Whether you agree with the outburst, or just find it amusing, I think it's pretty tactless to take advantage of a forum like that. "Hey, thanks for the Academy Award, let me hyjack your show now!" Adrien Brody's comments were much more dignified. He got his point across better too.

On a tangent, I impressed by Peter O'Toole speech. That kind of dignity seems rare these days.

Did anyone else notice that the 8:10 Peter Jennings war brief was exactly the same as the 9:10 (central time) brief? Jennings didn't bother to stick around for an extra hour?

Anyone know who won Best Animated Feature?

[Tyjenks]

Anyone know who won Best Animated Feature?

Moore took that, too, for his Oscar Awardshow appearance.

[Captain Cookiepants]

Spirited Away (http://www.stomptokyo.com/movies/s/spirited-away.html)
Supposed to be a really good Japanese flick without the annoying Anime style being TOO apparent. Why is it that children in these things always sound so stupid? Like they are yelling every line in a weird high-pitched monotone.

[Tyjenks]

Spirited Away (http://www.stomptokyo.com/movies/s/spirited-away.html)
Supposed to be a really good Japanese flick without the annoying Anime style being TOO apparent. Why is it that children in these things always sound so stupid? Like they are yelling every line in a weird high-pitched monotone.

There's a whole thread here about it in the Movie section. As most know, it is by the same folks who did Princess Mononoke.

[Squirrel Killer]

if you don't think it's possible to make things sound different than they are, then you are an idiot. no one said they doctored the audio. but they could have EASILY emphasized the nosebleeds or wherever the booing was coming from. hell, if someone said they did it to make applause sound more impressive, you wouldn't even blink.

So you're saying that the same sound crew who couldn't get the levels right when presenters were talking over clips (when they knew exactly where the sound was coming from) was able to target specific audience mics to enhance the boos (which they couldn't have been sure where they were coming from) over the applause (which they couldn't have been sure where they were coming from)?

Sorry, but I'll rely on Occam's Razor here, and say that I think there were more "boos" than "right ons".

did you see the footage?

Yes.

do you see masses of people booing in the lower section?

Yes. While many were sitting on their hands, many were making non-supportive gestures (including booing, shooing motions, etc.) Some were applauding to be sure, but not in huge numbers.

so where's this "chorus of boos" coming from? from the dipshits hidden away somewhere in a few chunks because they aren't famous/rich enough to get decent seats. if it was the majority of people booing, you'd think you'd see a bunch of people doing it in the crowd shots. maybe if you'd actually seen it, you'd be able to comment on these visual aspects.
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btw, did you know that some sitcoms don't have real audiences? they can make things SOUND one way on tv when something else is really happening. ah, the magic of technology.

Watch it again if you're able, but I recall that pro, neutral, and anti Moore were all visible. Neutral would have won by a large margin if they had taken a poll, but anti-Moore would have beaten pro-Moore pretty easily. As for "dipshits" who couldn't get good seats, what about the chick next to Julianne Moore?

Of course it's possible to add or delete sound or even to emphasize or deemphasize sound, but I think it's unlikely that ABC had pre-recorded 'boos" to lay over Moore's speech or that the sound crew could have so quickly pinpointed where the boos were the loudest and upped the levels on that mic. Moore himself commented on (read "spun") the criticism, so we know we're not completely making this shit up as we go.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, but I'll rely on Occam's Razor here, and say that I think there were more "boos" than "right ons". etc

i never said that there were more supporters than non. i'd think that the bulk of people just sat there stunned. probably very few people would have wanted to stand up and cheer and risk being labeled "liberal" or "hippy" or whatever.

ok, you are right. i doubt there was a mass "let's make him look bad in our 5 second delay" kind of scheme going on. but i do think that the loudness of the boos misrepresents what the actual crowd reaction was. and if they were so inclined, they could have easily made things seem slightly worse than they were, and they did (based on what they showed, which can also be misleading). think about when they show shots of people laughing their asses off at bad jokes. yea, they don't have the beauty of editing everything, but they can skew what you see very easily.

[DaveC]

There was as much cheering as booing as far as I heard.

[Sparky]

Hell, you wouldn't be right about a single good god damn fucking hell of a thing if you were a walking, talking, giant cunt just waiting for me to fuck it but I had to give in and say uncle first.
Ohmigod. I am getting my embroidery hoop out right now...this is going to be a masterpiece. I think I'll do the quote in pink, with a border of tiny kittens chasing blue yarn balls. Ooh, and then I'll glue those little plastic googly eyes on all the kittens!

[DaveC]

Now, please, a bus with your name on it's bumper is waiting for you.

Good to see logical debate isn't dead.

[Joe O'Malley]

Reports I saw said he got a standing ovation.

I heard he got on a magical unicorn and flew away to a fairy land of sugar lakes and gumdrop houses.

Hmf. Sounds more like Mariah Carey than Michael Moore.

[Tyjenks]

Hell, you wouldn't be right about a single good god damn fucking hell of a thing if you were a walking, talking, giant cunt just waiting for me to fuck it but I had to give in and say uncle first.
Ohmigod. I am getting my embroidery hoop out right now...this is going to be a masterpiece. I think I'll do the quote in pink, with a border of tiny kittens chasing blue yarn balls. Ooh, and then I'll glue those little plastic googly eyes on all the kittens!

Sparky - I though all women were supposed to be horrifically offended by the "C" word. My wife isn't. That is one of the main reasons I married her. :wink:

[Sparky]

Sparky - I though all women were supposed to be horrifically offended by the "C" word. My wife isn't. That is one of the main reasons I married her.
Well, there's this other C word that I find more important: context. I'm not sure why you consider "not being horrifically offended by it" a positive feminine trait, though. The word can certainly be (and usually is) used in a very offensive manner. I mean, if Met K was actually calling me that, he might find himself suddenly impaled by the neck of a crappy Mexican Stratocaster whilst I drew a detailed replica of the cover of Pink Floyd's "Animals" on the floor, using his still-warm entrails as fingerpaint.

Or not. It depends on the context, really.

[Jason McCullough]

Christ, Tyjenks, I said "I guess" because I hadn't even seen it. :D

[Tyjenks]

Christ, Tyjenks, I said "I guess" because I hadn't even seen it. :D

I know. I just had a lot to get off of my chest after a long weekend and you fit nicely into the word count I had set up for my little post-weekend report. :wink:

Well, there's this other C word that I find more important: context. I'm not sure why you consider "not being horrifically offended by it" a positive feminine trait, though.

I guess these delicate flowers with virgin ears here in the South might be a slightly different breed. Not different good or bad, just different. :) Just the mention of the "C" word is like saying "Goddamn" to a Southern Basptist. Lots of gnashing of teeth, praying, and then a hail of Brimstone. Not so much a "positive trait" so much as a "How dare you use such language in my presence!" reaction that goes on a lot in these parts.

Once again if all people (not just the ladies) were as level headed, witty, and hot in a wig as Sparky, the world would be a happier place.

[Met_K]

Now, please, a bus with your name on it's bumper is waiting for you.

Good to see logical debate isn't dead.

Oh, it's quite dead. Evil Avatar killed it, don't you remember? You were there.

[asspennies]

I do find it funny that here Michael Moore is complaining about all things fictitious, meanwhile his own "documentary" clearly fits that definition.

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6841

That's not to say he doesn't have the right to say what he wants and produce what he wants. That's fine. But Bowling for Columbine is as much a documentary as "Survivor" or "Joe Millionaire." Might as well call it "reality cinema."

[Anonymous]

Newsflash: Michael Moore is a huge idiot.

[Jason McCullough]

Talking about fictitious stuff and then citing FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE, Horowitz's outlet, is pretty funny.

[Supertanker]

I think they just picked up the story from the author's homepage. http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

[Anonymous]

Oop. Guess Jason looks dumb again :(

[Jason McCullough]

That page looks like its 50/50 in its criticisms; it's doing a lot of selective argument redirection.

I don't like Moore very much; he's an idiot who's bad at math. Just like Horowitz.

[Erik]

Michael Moore...the Pope

I wonder if Moore will defer to the Pope's moral authority on the abortion issue, too.

[Bub, Andrew]

Or whether or not pedophiles should be prosecuted.

[Murph]

Ah, good times. My favorite five minutes of the show were Moore getting booed off the stage, and Steve Martin's remarks about it later. Made me wish I'd taped it. :-)

Disagree with what's going on if you like, but sheesh -- talk about outta line.

(Yes, I know I'm late to the conversation.)

[Murph]

Oh, and who's this "guest" who feels like it's his job to criticize Tyjenks' every post?

[wumpus]

I consider Tyjenks the "new" Murph.

[Murph]

So that was you? Why am I not surprised? I should've recognized that smell. :-)

EDIT: No, wait...That wasn't you, was it? It doesn't read like your handiwork. At any rate, I knew I liked Ty for a reason. Heh.

[Tyjenks]

Oh, and who's this "guest" who feels like it's his job to criticize Tyjenks' every post?

I must have struck a chord.

[Anonymous]

You did. The opening chord to "Fool on the Hill."

Day after day alone on a hill
the man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still
But nobody wants to know him,
they can see that he`s just a fool
and he never gives an answer
but the fool on the hill sees the sun going downand the eyes in his head see the world spinning `round.

Well on the way, head in a cloud
the man of the thousand voices talking perfectly loud,
but nobody ever hears him, or the sound he appears to make
and he never seems to notice.
But the fool on the hill sees the sun going downand the eyes in his head see the world spinning `round.

And nobody seems to like him,
they can tell what he wants to do
and he never shows his feelings
But the fool on the hill sees the sun going downand the eyes in his head see the world spinning `round.

He never listens to them
he knows that they`re the fool
they don`t like him.
The fool on the hill sees the sun going downand the eyes in his head see the world spinning `round.

[Tyjenks]

That's deep. So I'm the hill?

[Anonymous]

Oh, and who's this "guest" who feels like it's his job to criticize Tyjenks' every post?

Tyjenks is an idiot sometimes, entering the realms of Cookiepants and McCullough...it's not hard to criticize any crap he generates on these forums.

[Tyjenks]

Well I had not seen much criticism until recently. If I am saying idiotic things, I wish you would, please, anonymously speak up and point out my errors. Genuine criticism which is in short supply around here, would be welcome, too.

[Anonymous]

Well I had not seen much criticism until recently. If I am saying idiotic things, I wish you would, please, anonymously speak up and point out my errors. Genuine criticism which is in short supply around here, would be welcome, too.

You want someone to register just so they can continue to make fun of you?

[Tyjenks]

Please. Is that to much too ask? That way I can identify who I can disregard as that thrower of potshots. RIght now I have to consider all guests points as viable, whereas, if I knew which one's were yours, it would save me time. Time that could be better spent learning how to post thoughts you want to hear.

[Anonymous]

Tyjenks, shut up, open your mouth, and prepare to accept my cock.

[Captain Cookiepants]

Well I had not seen much criticism until recently. If I am saying idiotic things, I wish you would, please, anonymously speak up and point out my errors. Genuine criticism which is in short supply around here, would be welcome, too.

Since I've been lumped together with this man (and not for the first time :wink: :wink: ) I'm gonna throw my two cents in: If you have something to say, then say it. Quoting someone and typing 'You're an idiot' only makes YOU look like a bigotted fool. Come up with a few good reasons before you post. You know, what civilized man calls 'conversation'.

[Tyjenks]

I have what I think is just a cold sore right now, but if you want to take your chances......OOps, just remembered, I gave up servicing random women for Lent. From your posts, I have been assuming you are a 14 year old girl.

[Anonymous]

I want to spray monkey piss on your cold sore.

[Squirrel Killer]

I want to spray monkey piss on your cold sore.

A 14-year old girl with a potty mouth at that. For shame, Missy!

[Anonymous]

Tyjenks, shut up, open your mouth, and prepare to accept my cock.

How can he shut up and provide oral sex? There are bound to be plenty of sounds coming out of his mouth.

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