Banning registry

[Nick Walter]

This thread may lead to the first on-topic goatse link in the history of the internet. Truly epic.

[Kunikos]

You know those spoof images of goatse where something else is coming out of the spread cheeks? I was thinking a QT3 eye that blinks between normal and negative, right there, in an animated GIF would be a addition to the thread.

LOL

[Skipper]

So was it a perma ban or just a temporary? Having read several of DRT's posts I didn't necessarily mark the guy down as an ass. He just seemed opinionated and doesn't hold back saying what he feels, I have friends exactly like that.

As for the NDA thing I had skipped that thread, but even reading it now i'm just wondering why someone didn't just PM him with a "don't spill NDA's here. It's bad juju." I'm assuming here that there were some PM's and he went the route of not responding to them well?

If not, I'll make damn sure I don't ever even casually spill NDA material. You have to admit though, this forum in particular is pretty heavy handed toward NDA breakers. We freely discuss non game-products and shows/movies that are not yet released but the hammer falls on a game NDA. From someone outside the industry I find that kind of strange, but I like the forum, I'll follow the rules.

[JPR]

You don't sign a contract before watching leaked TV pilots on the internet or going into a movie theater.

[Skipper]

You don't sign a contract before watching leaked TV pilots on the internet or going into a movie theater.

Oh no I get the legal aspect entirely. And I understand not breaking a contract, click-through or otherwise. I'm just saying that this is a place for opinions, a forum, not a place that advertises this knowledge out as gospel or as a game rating site directly.

There have been conversations here about movies and tv shows viewed that were not yet released from the perspective of someone who had seen them. The same with products although I don't remember someone stating explicitly that they saw it, only references.

Like I mentioned I like the forum, I'll gladly abide by the rules. On the flip side I've been in 4 game betas and at least, amongst friends, we all discussed things like that. I'm saying I don't consider you guys enemies so I would expect that some general hinting (not blatant) NDA breakage to happen here frequently. I don't see this to be the case so I'm guessing that not being in the industry, I don't know the competitive aspect of it or there's much more to it I'm missing.

[Tyjenks]

So was it a perma ban or just a temporary? Having read several of DRT's posts I didn't necessarily mark the guy down as an ass. He just seemed opinionated and doesn't hold back saying what he feels, I have friends exactly like that.

As for the NDA thing I had skipped that thread, but even reading it now i'm just wondering why someone didn't just PM him with a "don't spill NDA's here. It's bad juju." I'm assuming here that there were some PM's and he went the route of not responding to them well?

If not, I'll make damn sure I don't ever even casually spill NDA material. You have to admit though, this forum in particular is pretty heavy handed toward NDA breakers. We freely discuss non game-products and shows/movies that are not yet released but the hammer falls on a game NDA. From someone outside the industry I find that kind of strange, but I like the forum, I'll follow the rules.

Well, I won't speak for Tom, but it is, generally, his practice to handle things by PM first. And while there are occasional NDA infractions around here of a minor magnitude, deeprun's offense was pretty thorough and blatant in its disregard for a Beta testing practice that everyone knows about and usually honors. Tom showed his displeasure in a brief post and then deeprun compounded the problem by going off again. Tom isn't a dictator, but if someone is going to piss on something that is integral to the game development process (at least in today's development cycles) on a board that is partially for developers and then thumb his nose at the head honcho, then I think that is justification for banishment. (Or at least bamboo under the finger nails)

[Raife]

I picture Albert Woo as having this giant Quarter to Three monitoring station packed with all kinds of readouts and flashing lights and things.

[Dirt]

Even if this place weren't geared toward the professionals in the gaming industry, it would be bad form (and possibly illegal) for Tom not to get involved in deepruntramp's violation of the law.

[Skipper]

Tom isn't a dictator, but if someone is going to piss on something that is integral to the game development process (at least in today's development cycles) on a board that is partially for developers and then thumb his nose at the head honcho, then I think that is justification for banishment.

Noted. I find Tom to be a pretty understanding guy honestly, it's his decision no matter what. I surely wouldn't defend keeping someone who broke the rules and then argued about it in the face of calming down. I was just questioning more at what level might I step into no-no land if I did the same.

And although I disagree with what he did, I do wonder if his point was correct, if he'd had praise for the game instead would the end result be the same?

EDIT: I actually didn't think of the legality of it for Tom. That makes much more sense Dirt.

[Unicorn McGriddle]

deepruntramp was abrasive at times, but I don't think this ban was necessary. He painted a very plausible picture of Hellgate, and I don't doubt that it was his genuine opinion. Even if one of the NDA's terms is that in the event of a breach, you will be banned from Qt3, deepruntramp was by his own account not party to the NDA.

[Stroker Ace]

Maybe he called Tom a pussy via PM? The yentaverse will never know! With Koontz gone, who will fight for a transparent moderation process?

/me considers lighting the Koontz signal

[Jasper Phillips]

If not, I'll make damn sure I don't ever even casually spill NDA material. You have to admit though, this forum in particular is pretty heavy handed toward NDA breakers. We freely discuss non game-products and shows/movies that are not yet released but the hammer falls on a game NDA. From someone outside the industry I find that kind of strange, but I like the forum, I'll follow the rules.
The people who break NDAs typically have bad things to say, which are often unwarranted or premature. This can create an echo chamber effect that really kills the buzz for a game, potentially costing millions of dollars of lost sales. Needless to say, people in the game industry as a result tend to take it seriously, even though it's just opinion.

This effect doesn't really apply to shows/movies, where advance screenings tend to be of the final footage. Shows/movies also don't get quite as much of an echo chamber effect, and so are more likely to benefit from "any publicity is good publicity".

[Ed Solomon]

deepruntramp was abrasive at times, but I don't think this ban was necessary. He painted a very plausible picture of Hellgate, and I don't doubt that it was his genuine opinion. Even if one of the NDA's terms is that in the event of a breach, you will be banned from Qt3, deepruntramp was by his own account not party to the NDA.
Fuck deepruntramp. We are a community of standards, eh-tics even. One of those standards is that you don't break NDA because it can sour people on a game that may very well turn out great when released.

People, some of them who post on this very board, put their heart and soul into making these games. Don't shit on them until they are actually released, whether the NDA applies to you or not.

[UncleSmoothie]

Is the Koontz signal that spinning pinwheel gif that I remember from days of yore?

[Sidd_Budd]

Tom isn't a dictator, but if someone is going to piss on something that is integral to the game development process (at least in today's development cycles) on a board that is partially for developers and then thumb his nose at the head honcho, then I think that is justification for banishment. (Or at least bamboo under the finger nails)
Tom's also very clear in the rules of the forum that he won't tolerate members making the forum less hospitable to game developers. I'm not in the game industry, but I appreciate that folks like Soren Johnson and Brian Reynolds feel comfortable posting here.

Just in the last week, a member has offered Qt3 members extra beta keys for a project. I imagine someone's blatant disregard for an NDA might make that kind of thing less likely in the future, so I don't mind The Entity's use of the Shun-Hammer.

Oh, and for Albert Woo and his master list: Did muttbunch change his name to mutt?

[mouselock]

You don't sign a contract before watching leaked TV pilots on the internet or going into a movie theater.

So if he'd pirated hellgate and then talked about it it would have been better?

[JPR]

I specifically used leaked TV pilots because those are generally intentionally leaked by the network.

[UncleSmoothie]

I specifically used leaked TV pilots because those are generally intentionally leaked by the network.

.. which they do for an entirely different purpose than a developer releasing a closed, NDA-protected beta, n'est-ce pas?

[JPR]

Yeah, sure. What I'm talking about is the equivalent of the "last 2 weeks before release" stage of beta where it's essentially open to anyone who cares.

[Anaxagoras]

Ben got banned? Nice. He derailed more threads than anyone I remember. (Granted, I wasn't here for the legendary Derek/Cleve grudge matches, but still.)

[Tyjenks]

So does Albert have some master alert that once the hammer comes down a red light flashes that serves as notification that his registry requires an update?

[Raife]

Yeah, I'm sure it's a display at his Quarter to Three monitoring station.

[Albert Woo]

Oh, and for Albert Woo and his master list: Did muttbunch change his name to mutt? Ah, yes he did, and I've updated the chart. Thanks for the heads-up.

[Unicorn McGriddle]

People contact Woo whenever somebody gets banned. He's like Amnesty International.

[Unicorn McGriddle]

Fuck deepruntramp. We are a community of standards, eh-tics even. One of those standards is that you don't break NDA because it can sour people on a game that may very well turn out great when released.

People, some of them who post on this very board, put their heart and soul into making these games. Don't shit on them until they are actually released, whether the NDA applies to you or not.

So it's not enough to buy games, play games, discuss games... now we have to engineer the buzz? Leave that shit to the viral marketers.

[Drastic]

I just wanted to quote Unforgiven, what with all the weighing of ban-deservedness. Carry on.

[Stroker Ace]

It's too bad Hellgate is never going to be released now that DRT's loose lips sunk their ship, eh?

[LesJarvis]

I can tell you that Hellgate's going to suck without ever even having played it.

Nah, I really have no idea.

[Tom Chick]

Ben was a jerk and a dumbass, but I don't think he needed to be banned.

Just a reminder that no one is banned for being a jerk and a dumbass. I've been both plenty of times, and I have yet to ban myself.

Also, deepruntramp wasn't banned for violating an NDA. That's happened plenty of times on this forum, accidentally and otherwise, and the people who do it aren't banned. I do, however, wish people wouldn't break NDAs. Think of it as a character issue.

-Tom

P.S. Ya bunch of yentas!

[krokodile]

Wait wait wait.

Dirt is gone?!

[Mordrak]

So it's not enough to buy games, play games, discuss games... now we have to engineer the buzz? Leave that shit to the viral marketers.
It's a bit naive to think this is just a place to discuss the games we play. This place does tread pretty close to the shill line occasionally, but it's a pretty rare occasion. As much as people claim to be neutral, it's hard to be neutral when it's your paycheck on the line.

I'm sure Tom wants to keep industry people around for networking reasons in addition to the genuine interest and relatively peer level discussion that sometimes takes place. Plus he maintains an audience for his own work. I don't begrudge him that (or his relatively lax moderating policies) since he doesn't charge for forum access.

[Albert Woo]

People contact Woo whenever somebody gets banned. He's like Amnesty International.Actually, I've never been contacted by anyone via PM or e-mail alerting me to a ban, although I have been for name changes/alternate accounts. Mostly it's just browsing the forums and noticing ban-worthy posts and exchanges, and people mentioning possible bannings in threads like this one. Unfortunately I don't have as much time to read the forums these days, so hooray for serendipity. I could always use more help keeping an eye out for these kinds of things though.

Oh, yeah, hacking into the Qt3 admin accounts didn't hurt either. : )

J/K, Tom!

[Ed Solomon]

So it's not enough to buy games, play games, discuss games... now we have to engineer the buzz? Leave that shit to the viral marketers.
Engineer the buzz? Give me a break. Keeping your trap shut is hardly viral marketing.

But, if it were, several companies would owe me a big fucking payday.

[Raife]

Actually, I've never been contacted by anyone alerting me to a ban, although I have been for name changes/alternate accounts.

Sucks to be you, Unicorndog.

[Anaxagoras]

Wait wait wait.

Dirt is gone?!

DRT = DeepRunTramp

If you were joking krok, please forgive my thick-headedness. (I myself read DRT as Dirt a couple times.)

[Tyjenks]

-Tom

P.S. Ya bunch of yentas!

Who doesn't love a good Monday morning quarterback debate? I also enjoy the What was Tom Thinking? game. Surely some of these Indie developers around here can slap together a Qt3 game that incorporates all the mini-games that go on here.

[EvilIdler]

Albert Woo is Radar O'Reilly's son!

[Dirt]

Wait wait wait.

Dirt is gone?!
Good riddance to that motherfucker.

[Raife]

Yeah, I just hope he takes the hint and doesn't come back.

[Unicorn McGriddle]

Sucks to be you, Unicorndog.

Why, did I go through an involuntary name change that only you can see?

[EvilIdler]

Surely some of these Indie developers around here can slap together a Qt3 game
Yentaverse®?

[Raife]

Why, did I go through an involuntary name change that only you can see?

I wouldn't know, I still have you on Ignore.

[krokodile]

DRT = DeepRunTramp

If you were joking krok, please forgive my thick-headedness. (I myself read DRT as Dirt a couple times.)

Definately thought, since someone added an i somewhere in it, and I was genuinely worried I missed something good.

[JM]

Even somethingawful can be pretty good about not breaking NDA. Observe their Warhammer Online threads (where various devs post).

[SpoofyChop]

Yentaverse®?

YentaPlace

[Jasper Phillips]

YentaSpace?

[Kunikos]

YentaSpace was bought by News Corporation, YentaBook is where it's at.

[krokodile]

What the hell is Yenta?

Post 666... I feel ominous.

[Dirt]

We are yentas.

[madkevin]

Some more than others.

[Raife]

I guess you can add DeepT to the banned list, Albert.

[Shadari]

I guess you can add DeepT to the banned list, Albert.
What'd he do this time?

[Raife]

http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?t=36114&page=6

[Funkman]

And the DeepT chapter comes to a close.

I'll miss all the bad spelling.

[theKevin]

And the DeepT chapter comes to a close.

I'll miss all the bad spelling.

At least he went out in a blaze-of-glory (IE: A 1,171 word post about how he refuses to pay for Sim City Societies).

[madkevin]

Now we'll never find out how far he would have gotten in Portal.

[MyNameIsWill]

At least he went out in a blaze-of-glory (IE: A 1,171 word post about how he refuses to pay for Sim City Societies).
This is true.

[Bill Dungsroman]

At least he went out in a blaze-of-glory (IE: A 1,171 word post about how he refuses to pay for Sim City Societies).
Only if being a moron is considered glorious.

[Mordrak]

Only if being a moron is considered glorious.
We all have to start somewhere. For some of us it's moron-dom.

[Tyjenks]

So I bailed on that thread before DeepT went all insane. The content and tenor of his posts have always bordered on ignorant blather, but he was often able to slip some debatably interesting points into his ramblings. He was overdue for a moronic tirade if you ask me. The fact that he was so unaware of his surroundings that he vocally supported his warezing leads me to the conclusion that he was drunk or high and his brain had flipped off the governor that usually moderates his nonsense.

[Talisker]

I'm guessing he was completely sober; there's always been a healthy dose of arrogance in his crazy.

[Glenn]

His excessive arrogance leads you to conclude that he was sober?

[Albert Woo]

Thanks to Raife and Bill D.


http://www3.telus.net/public/awoo1/Whoswho34.jpg

[Tyjenks]

Hey, I get a mention and did not have to get banned. Someone did have to die, though. Shame about that.

[Mike O'Malley]

Awesome graph, but doesn't the extarbags dating thread get a mention? Supertasters, temper tantrums, dating advice...

[markv]

I really like the elhajj and jessica touch there, it made me chuckle :D

[Sharpe]

Also, since Angie's name change was a result of a marital union, I think you need a spiffier icon than the boring ol' arrow. Perhaps a little icon-sized wedding bell?

[Funkman]

Including the hobosexuals was a nice touch.

[Albert Woo]

More bannage today, I'll update the chart when I get home from work.

[Nick Walter]

Wait what?

How do I keep missing these?

Edit: Richard Bunt, it had to be Bunt.

P.S. Yay, I'm a yenta!

[madkevin]

Richard got banned? What a silly Bunt.

[Funkman]

Clearly, I have missed something here. Come on guys, hook a yenta up!

[André Costa]

First read the thread about WoW anti-bot tool (Warden), then go read the thread on SimCitySocieties after DeepT got banned.

[Dirt]

Who's Richard Bunt?

[Nick Walter]

He was quite new to the forums, but he came onto the scene with all the subtlety of the Blitzkrieg.

[Lorini]

Yep, thought so. Maybe highly opinionated folks should stay out of that thread? Also, is this a first, where one [Games] thread has produced two bannings?

[Troy S Goodfellow]

Yep, thought so. Maybe highly opinionated folks should stay out of that thread? Also, is this a first, where one [Games] thread has produced two bannings?

Highly opinionated is fine I suspect - a lot of the games threads get heated, though of course not at the same temperature as P&R. Just don't be an ass about your opinions. Bunt seemed to only have one tone and it was angry.

Troy

[André Costa]

Maybe highly opinionated folks should stay out of that thread?

Hmmm ... i don't think that was the problem, more people would've been banned already if it was like that, imo.

[krokodile]

There was no lashing out post by Tom?

Aww, no fun.

[Murph]

How the hell did you know he got banned? I mean, I read the thread about an hour ago, and sure seems like he deserved it, but...was there a memo?

[André Costa]

The magical bunnies told us!


(or we clicked on his profile link)

[Lorini]

How the hell did you know he got banned? I mean, I read the thread about an hour ago, and sure seems like he deserved it, but...was there a memo?

You can always check the member list and see he's no longer on it. Which is how I assume people know, since it shouldn't be that difficult to run a compare every day.

Also, I should have put a smiley after the opinionated stuff, of course we are opinionated, but that thread seemed to be a little extra dangerous.

[Murph]

Ah, of course. Wow, little surprised you guys actually pay attention to that...but I guess this is why, lol.

Just wanted to make sure I wasn't left off the l33t mailing list.

[Nick Walter]

How the hell did you know he got banned? I mean, I read the thread about an hour ago, and sure seems like he deserved it, but...was there a memo?

I clicked on his public profile to see if it existed and was told I didn't have the required permissions to view it. Since I can see everyone elses profile I assumed bannage.

[Murph]

Do you just randomly click on profiles, or...?

I mean, that's cool if ya don't, I'm not one to judge...

[André Costa]

He might be clicking on yours right now! Are you going to let him get away with it?!

[Murph]

I don't really swing that way, but as long as he doesn't click me inappropriately, I guess there's no harm done.

[Nick Walter]

Do you just randomly click on profiles, or...?


No, but I'd watched Bunt be very very abrasive in a thread recently, so I was immediately suspicious when Mr Woo said there was news of a bannination. I just checked on the profiles of a short list of likely suspects. Bunt was the second I tried :)

[Ed Solomon]

Who was first?

[Murph]

Kudos for use of the word "bannination," btw.

[Dirt]

What.

[stusser]

Yep I assumed it was Bunt. He was being a dick.

[Nathan Phoenix]

Sweet, I hadn't kept up with this and didn't realize I can take deepruntramp off my ignore list since he's been banned.

[Nick Walter]

Who was first?

I can't say, that would be most impolite!

I definitely have a little list of people I think QT3 would be better without, but who doesn't. I'm also sure I would make on appearance on a few of those little lists if we all started comparing, it's probably better in terms of peace of harmony if we all keep those little lists to ourselves ;-)

[Lorini]

Well I just put a highly opinionated post back in that same thread, so we'll see if I last. Otherwise, it's been fun, and happy holidays!

[Shadari]

Of all the bannings that have occured since I've been a member of Qt3, only one actually made me smile a little. But even that guy often contributed positive stuff to our discussions. Oh well.

[Lum]

The magical bunnies told us!


(or we clicked on his profile link)

By that measure, DeepT is no longer banninated.

(Doing my bit for the Yentaverse)

[Troy S Goodfellow]

Yeah, it's not profile link though that does spasm when the ban first happens. The member list is the true measure.

Troy

[Shadari]

By that measure, DeepT is no longer banninated.

(Doing my bit for the Yentaverse)
Maybe he was reinstatinated.

[Kareem]

Nah, he isn't on the member list.

[Flowers]

By that measure, DeepT is no longer banninated.

(Doing my bit for the Yentaverse)

When did that happen? You know, you stop following the ban show for a couple months and then you are just lost.

[Flowers]

I can't say, that would be most impolite!

I definitely have a little list of people I think QT3 would be better without, but who doesn't. I'm also sure I would make on appearance on a few of those little lists if we all started comparing, it's probably better in terms of peace of harmony if we all keep those little lists to ourselves ;-)

I pray to God that this list is written on stationary that reads, "From the desk of Nick Walter" in an italicized, bold and underlined papyrus font.

[Nick Walter]

I pray to God that this list is written on stationary that reads, "From the desk of Nick Walter" in an italicized, bold and underlined papyrus font.

How dreadfully stuffy and old fashioned of you. The actual list is much better than that. It's written in a small leather bound black book with a quill pen. The ink is red tinted but not actually blood like many assume. Important tip, blood doesn't have the right consistency to flow smoothly with a real pen, so avoid it in all circumstances except formal compacts with malevolent entities. The cipher is only moderately complex but the security is enhanced by first translating the contents to an idiosyncratic language of my own devising. In order to prevent the list from falling into the wrong hands the book is artfully concealed inside a larger volume of heterosexual pornography (to repel vatican agents) and submerged in a vat of coffee (to repel mormon spies). The entire vat is then put in a pit in my yard which is filled with poison spikes and bacon (very handy, it repels jews, islamist militants, and vegans) and covered over with a antique trampoline in poor repair (to repel lawyers).

For additional data security the entire list is replicated in my QT3 ignore list, but I imagine chet takes even more elaborate safeguards to keep that secure.

[MyNameIsWill]

For additional data security the entire list is replicated in my QT3 ignore list, but I imagine chet takes even more elaborate safeguards to keep that secure.

Heh. It would irk me to see a bunch of "You ignored this post" posts.

[Ed Solomon]

I can't say, that would be most impolite!

I definitely have a little list of people I think QT3 would be better without, but who doesn't. I'm also sure I would make on appearance on a few of those little lists if we all started comparing, it's probably better in terms of peace of harmony if we all keep those little lists to ourselves ;-)
Oh, a Glennemies list. That is much more pedestrian than the identity of the person judged more likely than Bunt to arouse Chick's wrath and draw the ban hammer of the gods from the dark skies of Mount Tomlympus.

[Lizard_King]

I know it's been said before, but I think the addition of a "who's ignoring you" list in the user cp would really add to the qt3 metagame. Or at least some stats on how many ignores are in effect and on who. But I'll settle for a search function (other than google, thanks).

[Kunikos]

I know it's been said before, but I think the addition of a "who's ignoring you" list in the user cp would really add to the qt3 metagame. Or at least some stats on how many ignores are in effect and on who. But I'll settle for a search function (other than google, thanks).

I still think the whole ignoring people should be taken off. It's juvenile-- I mean, how thin-skinned do you really have to be to not be able to use the fucking scroll bar?

SCREW YOU GUYS, I'M GOING HOME

[Kareem]

That's like asking a developer to take out quicksaves. Slog through the unskippable cutscenes you pansies!

[Shadarr]

I have Shadari on ignore, but only because when I reply to him it confuses everyone.

[Matt Perkins]

QT3 in general is pretty damn thin skinned when it comes to trolls and ignoring people. As a whole, we are unable to deal with trolls. They can not be ignored and must be red constantly...until they eat so much they can not contain themselves anymore and they splode all over something and Tom bans them.

[Nick Walter]

QT3 in general is pretty damn thin skinned when it comes to trolls and ignoring people. As a whole, we are unable to deal with trolls. They can not be ignored and must be fed constantly...until they eat so much they can not contain themselves anymore and they splode all over something and Tom bans them.

That's quite true, but I'd say QT3 is more susceptible to noise because it maintains a much higher signal to noise ratio than the general internet message board average.

[Talisker]

His excessive arrogance leads you to conclude that he was sober?
Well, if he was drunk posting, then he must've been drunk posting an awful lot, 'cause, well, go read nearly everything else he's ever said.

[Talisker]

I have Shadari on ignore, but only because when I reply to him it confuses everyone.
There should be some sort of rule that usernames have to differ by at least two characters, definitely.

[Nick Walter]

There should be some sort of rule that usernames have to differ by at least two characters, definitely.

I see what you did there.

[TimElhajj]

I can't say, that would be most impolite!

I definitely have a little list of people I think QT3 would be better without, but who doesn't. I'm also sure I would make on appearance on a few of those little lists if we all started comparing, it's probably better in terms of peace of harmony if we all keep those little lists to ourselves ;-)

This is what the buddy list is for! We need someone to change the name of that feature from buddy list to shit list.

[Kunikos]

QT3 in general is pretty damn thin skinned when it comes to trolls and ignoring people. As a whole, we are unable to deal with trolls. They can not be ignored and must be red constantly...until they eat so much they can not contain themselves anymore and they splode all over something and Tom bans them.

Either that or QT3 attracts the Master Baiters.


This is what the buddy list is for! We need someone to change the name of that feature from buddy list to shit list.

Yenta List. "See Kunikos' Top 5 Yentas!"

[Bill Dungsroman]

QT3 in general is pretty damn thin skinned when it comes to trolls and ignoring people. As a whole, we are unable to deal with trolls. They can not be ignored and must be red constantly...until they eat so much they can not contain themselves anymore and they splode all over something and Tom bans them.
And that's bad how?

[Lizard_King]

I still think the whole ignoring people should be taken off. It's juvenile-- I mean, how thin-skinned do you really have to be to not be able to use the fucking scroll bar?

SCREW YOU GUYS, I'M GOING HOME
I wouldn't use it, personally, but I'm glad people have the choice. I don't think it's a question of skin thickness so much as giving people options. I can think of a thousand other places in life where what I can tolerate is much more than that what I actually *want* to put up with, and choosing the latter on a rare occasion when you have some say in it is not automatically a sign of weakness. For instance, using mute on xbox live. 9/10 times I'm sure they are fine people, but I'm just not interested.

[MikeSofaer]

http://mike.sofaer.net/img/Misc/DeepT.jpg

[Lizard_King]

That's beautiful. I hope he gets a copy of that in hevun.

[RichVR]

MikeSofaer, that was touching. I teared up a bit there. Nice job.

[Albert Woo]

Very nice Mike.

Updated version of the chart is here. (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1163060&postcount=563)

[Raife]

Awesome, consider you salary doubled. I've never noticed the version number until this one, how long has that been there?

Mike, enjoy your enrollment in the "Jelly of the Month" club. Merry Hanukkah.

[Albert Woo]

I've never noticed the version number until this one, how long has that been there? There have been version numbers for about two-and-a-half years, since v.10. They used to be really small and hidden in the black bar under Mr. Cross' shirt, but because of all the updates this year, starting with v.29 I've made them more prominent and added the month & year.

[stusser]

How do you decide who's been banned versus gently touched? Is it arbitrary? I would argue that Deept was flat out banned when Tom posted calling him a douchebag while Bunt was deeply touched since he just silently "went away".

[Nick Walter]

I thought banning and gently touching were synonymous? If I recall correctly the only reason gently touching became a QT3 meme was Asher putting a word filter onto the boards that replaced banning with gentle touching in everyone's posts. I think it was supposed to make all the yentas look more absurd, but didn't succeed so well.

[Theodore Rex DX]

Weird.

[Nick Walter]

QUICK EVERYONE SECURE YOUR LCDS!!!!11!!!ONE!!1

[Talisker]

Weird.
Yeah, no kidding.

[Albert Woo]

How do you decide who's been banned versus gently touched? Is it arbitrary? I would argue that Deept was flat out banned when Tom posted calling him a douchebag while Bunt was deeply touched since he just silently "went away".


I thought banning and gently touching were synonymous? If I recall correctly the only reason gently touching became a QT3 meme was Asher putting a word filter onto the boards that replaced banning with gentle touching in everyone's posts. I think it was supposed to make all the yentas look more absurd, but didn't succeed so well.

Yeah, they're the same thing. In terms of the chart though, in the beginning I used to alternate between the two just to add some variety to the entries, but some time ago it was changed so that long-time members would usually (but not always) get the "gently touched" tag while newer posters would be marked with the "banned" tag.

[Albert Woo]

Weird. Hah, I noticed you'd been stealthily-unbanned a while ago, but figured you didn't want to post again.

[Theodore Rex DX]

This has to be an error.

[madkevin]

How's your hand?

[Raife]

Obviously Theo has been sucked back here by the vacuum of crazy created by DeepT's departure.

[krokodile]

There always has to be one super dumbass around here.

[NoWayJose]

There always has to be one super dumbass around here. So what are we going to do with you, now?

[Kunikos]

So what are we going to do with you, now?

Give him a Louisville Slugger and let him go to town on your face?

[krokodile]

Give him a Louisville Slugger and let him go to town on your face?

I vote this option.

[Walter Pavlov]

I vote this option.
Of course you do, it's stupid.

[Dirt]

Everybody complains about the contentiousness of P&R, however, it would seem that people get banned from their postings in the Games forum most often.

[Guido Jones]

Of course you do, it's stupid.

Caltrops defense force, unite!

[Guido Jones]

Everybody complains about the contentiousness of P&R, however, it would seem that people get banned from their postings in the Games forum most often.

People expect P&R to be combative. P&R was created to keep it's insanity out of EE where it originally was.

In the Games forum, things are expected to stay cordial. When they don't, people get banned.

[Nick Walter]

People expect P&R to be combative. P&R was created to keep it's insanity out of EE where it originally was.

In the Games forum, things are expected to stay cordial. When they don't, people get banned.

Ahem, we prefer to think of it as intensity, not insanity. But otherwise Guido is completely correct.

[Lorini]

I don't normally go into P&R cuz my skin isn't thick enough :). So you are saying that there is a kind of double standard?

[krokodile]

Yeah, becase people are usually much much much more defensive about their Politic and religious views than they are in their games views, so that when that spastic off the wall games post that insults every member, their mother, and Tom comes up, its taken more offensively than the one that'd crop up in P&R.

[Anaxagoras]

On the flip side, though.... it kinda makes sense when someone starts foaming at the mouth when you insult their God. When someone foams at the mouth after you've insulted Nintendo, it's just surreal.

[krokodile]

But usually more hilarious.

[Talisker]

On the flip side, though.... it kinda makes sense when someone starts foaming at the mouth when you insult their God. When someone foams at the mouth after you've insulted Nintendo, it's just surreal.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/0/07/Nintengods_copy.jpg

[Anaxagoras]

Finally! A game that makes the DS a must-buy gadget.

[Zep--]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u147/Pinkedoutofpaint/MorNin.jpg

[krokodile]

Thanks for contributing Zep--.

Theodore Rex may have competition.

[Kunikos]

Caltrops defense force, unite!

If Caltrops was Voltron, Pavlov would be a leg, and TouteSuite would be the ass.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8140/voltronwm4.jpg

Dungsroman is the head, which explains their animosity.

[NoWayJose]

I honestly can say I've never noticed you before today, Kunikos, until you advocated bashing my face in and then started talking about Voltron's ass. Imagine my surprise to find out you had almost 9000 posts! Are any of them interesting? This is not a good debut into my consciousness!

Anyway, what are you so scared of? It's not like anyone from Caltrops is threatening you with a baseball bat.

[Mike O'Malley]

Start a new thread for the bickering, please. This one's all about Albert's chart.

[Funkman]

Yeah, seriously, this bickering is pointless.


Also, people have been giving shit to Kunikos literally for years, it's best to just let him run for a bit and get tuckered out.

[krokodile]

I dunno Mike... maybe if they get into enough, this could just be a banning in the making.

I'm not expecting much, but hey, a guy can hope, can't he?

[Wholly Schmidt]

I honestly can say I've never noticed you before today, Kunikos, until you advocated bashing my face in and then started talking about Voltron's ass. Imagine my surprise to find out you had almost 9000 posts! Are any of them interesting? This is not a good debut into my consciousness!

Anyway, what are you so scared of? It's not like anyone from Caltrops is threatening you with a baseball bat.
Don't listen to him Kunikos! Let's go key their forum!

[Funkula]

If someone gets banned for antics in the ban thread, that's definitely worthy of a special mention in the graphic.

Actually, I'd kind of like to see something like that for everybody. A short summary of what got them banned, assuming it could be ascertained. It would also help the bans assert their primacy on the chart, since name changes seem visually dominant in its current form. On the other hand, I know some have come from PM asshattery so there's no way to know for certain, and I'm not sure how it would fit with the rest of the visual design. So maybe it's not feasible/worthwhile.

[AndrewM]

The reasons are really a little too speculative. Banned or not is fact, anything more is guesses.

[Bill Dungsroman]

I LOVE YOU THEODORE <3 <3 <3

[Jackie Treehorn]

I dunno Mike... maybe if they get into enough, this could just be a banning in the making.

I'm not expecting much, but hey, a guy can hope, can't he?
Wow you're almost as fast with the ban fantasies as you are to ingratiate yourself. Who do you want to see banned, and why? NoWayJose? Because he turned your own words back on you when you were calling people "super dumbasses?" Weird.

He's completely wrong by the way, you wouldn't be an apt "super dumbass" at all. For one thing, at least some of your posts would have to contain more content than "Me Too!"

[krokodile]

Are you saying all my posts are just "Me too!"

woops, there goes two posts, neither of which feature that statement.

Looks like I ruined your prophecy. I"m a super dumbass, I guess.

[Ryan A]

I"m a super dumbass, I guess.

Not so much that as an annoying kid who is SO EXCITED to sit at the grownup table.

[Murph]

You kids play nice. Don't make me pull over.

[Anaxagoras]

You kids play nice. Don't make me pull over.

Listen to your father, kids!

So anyways, Dear, as I was saying, I met Deb at the grocery store, and she told me that little Kevin had been huffing glue. Again! I know! I tell you, nothing good is going to come out of that Kevin. And it's not Deb's fault... Lord knows she's done all she can to raise that kid right. So anyways, I tells Deb "Don't worry, honey. I'm sure everything will turn out alright." I don't believe that for a second, of course, but I had to tell the dear something, didn't I?

[shift6]

Wow you're almost as fast with the ban fantasies as you are to ingratiate yourself. Who do you want to see banned, and why? NoWayJose? Because he turned your own words back on you when you were calling people "super dumbasses?" Weird.

He's completely wrong by the way, you wouldn't be an apt "super dumbass" at all. For one thing, at least some of your posts would have to contain more content than "Me Too!"
Mr. Treehorn holds alot of weight around here. You don't hold shit, Lebowski.

[Mark Asher]

No, no, no!

"Mr. Treehorn draws a lot of water in this town. You don't draw shit, Lebowski."

Please, do not pervert the word!

[Dirt]

"Fuck it, man. Let's go bowling."

[RichVR]

I LOVE YOU THEODORE <3 <3 <3

This.

[Kareem]

If someone gets banned for antics in the ban thread, that's definitely worthy of a special mention in the graphic.

I don't remember who it was but someone who posted in the Banning Registry thread got his/her post deleted and got banned after making a racist post in this thread. It may have been Cleve. So that was the first addition to the Banning Registry due to a post in the Banning Registry thread.

EDIT: Actually now that I think of it, it wasn't Cleve, because this particular guy was angry he didn't get an honorable mention in the list of hammer recipients whereas Cleve's name always gets brandied about as the local forum racist.

[André Costa]

Hmmm...the only racist i know here is Dirt, but he still isn't banned. Then again, i'm new!

[Anaxagoras]

It takes a lot more than racism to get banned from this place. You know what that means? DeepT and Richard Bunt are even worse than KKK members.

[Lum]

Dirt also usually keeps his worst howlers contained to the P&R Emporium.

[Lorini]

It takes a lot more than racism to get banned from this place. You know what that means? DeepT and Richard Bunt are even worse than KKK members.

According to Tom's sticky, racist remarks are not tolerated at all and will get you banned without question. Now I don't go into P&R, and maybe the rules are different there, but that's what his sticky says.

[Kareem]

I still have a copy of the post (I PMed it to myself in case he tried editing it because I was going to send it to Tom, but he was banned really quickly) and it was immensely vitriolic. I didn't remember seeing him post in any other thread, so he presumably got banned for that only.

[Anaxagoras]

According to Tom's sticky, racist remarks are not tolerated at all and will get you banned without question. Now I don't go into P&R, and maybe the rules are different there, but that's what his sticky says.

Really? I hadn't noticed that. Then... umm... why isn't Dirt banned? The guy has made more "dirty jap" posts than I can count. Maybe P&R does have completely different rules.

[Desslock]

Tom only bans people for continuing to do something after he asks them to stop, because they've crossed the line on what he wants these forums to be about. If he banned people for racist/bigotry posts, most of the P&R posters would be banned.

[madkevin]

If he banned people for racist/bigotry posts, most of the P&R posters would be banned.

For the record, complaining about Republicans isn't "bigotry".

[Tyjenks]

For the record, complaining about Republicans isn't "bigotry".

6.5

"A" for effort and I see what the poster was aiming for, but the end product does not quite achieve what we would have liked to have seen as it is a bit predictable.

[Anaxagoras]

Give up the game, Madkevin. Tyjenks is much too clever for us.

[madkevin]

Wait, is that a 6.5 on the 7-9 scale? Dude, that's harsh.

[Raife]

6.5

Fired.

[Lorini]

No, you're right, I'm wrong, sorry. This however is posted in the FAQ, which Tom's rules reference:

"Bans in line with the "discreet moderation" policy discussed above have been enacted primarily for reasons of incivility, particularly racism or the appearance of racism

[Tyjenks]

Wait, is that a 6.5 on the 7-9 scale? Dude, that's harsh.

Yep. You heard me. That is how little I think of your post and its developers.

[Unicorn McGriddle]

Welcome back, Theo.

[Harkonis]

did Demon G Sides get his account reactivated since he's now of legal age?

[krokodile]

Not on the Member List.

[Albert Woo]

A minor update. (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=1163060&postcount=563)

[Demon G Sides]

I've been unbanned, and its been documented!

hurray!

[Creole Ned]

Why was Brett Todd gently touched, anyway? I seem to have not been perusing the board at the time that happened and he didn't strike me as a likely candidate.

[Raife]

Why was Brett Todd gently touched, anyway? I seem to have not been perusing the board at the time that happened and he didn't strike me as a likely candidate.

He went shriekingly insane. The descent into madness wasn't pretty.

Do some searches for "Toddy" if you want to dig it all up.

[Creole Ned]

He seemed a bit...intense at times.

I'm afraid to look.

(Is the search still borked?)

[Raife]

Mostly, but a search (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/search.php) for a single name user should work. Or you could just use Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aquartertothree.com+toddy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a), but that doesn't sort by date.

Or you could just check his profile (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/member.php?u=149) and click "Find all posts by".

[Creole Ned]

The search worked fine (although I also tried Google).

Your description was apt.

[Unicorn McGriddle]

Yeah, those were some good times.

[Raife]

Do Simpilot next!

I'm not going to be your monkey. Do your own dance, homem-ovo unicórnio.

[RickH]

Or you could just check his profile (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/member.php?u=149) and click "Find all posts by".

The first page doesn't show much intensity or insanity.

My inner yenta remains unsatisfied.

[Raife]

My inner yenta remains unsatisfied.

Tough Gordon Camerons.

[Unicorn McGriddle]

I'm not going to be your monkey. Do your own dance, homem-ovo unicórnio.

I was talking to Ned. I think he can figure out the application of the techniques you demonstrated to a different user name.

[Rimbo]

The first page doesn't show much intensity or insanity.

My inner yenta remains unsatisfied.

Just guessing that maybe this (http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showpost.php?p=708102&postcount=109) had something to do with it?

[Kunikos]

I've been unbanned, and its been documented!

hurray!

Did you turn 18? :) Heh

[Demon G Sides]

Did you turn 18? :) Heh

Yeah. It took a few extra days to be reinstated, but here I am. Tada.

[Stroker Ace]

Yeah. It took a few extra days to be reinstated, but here I am. Tada.Be sure and renegotiate your SLA with Tom for 2008. Include some penalties for missing targets.

[Dirt]

Yeah. It took a few extra days to be reinstated, but here I am. Tada.
Did you have to send him a copy of your birth certificate or something?

[Demon G Sides]

Did you have to send him a copy of your birth certificate or something?

More or less lack of his Email, confusion with Mog starting up a thread and Pming him, and some gentle scolding over the affair as a whole.

But I'm back, and thats all that really matter, right? We can put this Qt3 soap opera of my banning to bed.

[Nick Walter]

At least until season 3 when it turns out you aren't really Demon G Sides, but really Athryn who has cleverly disguised herself as Demon G Sides to see if Tom Chick really does love her. Meanwhile the real Demon G Sides has been confronted by Dirt, the twin brother he never knew he had, and both are competing for the love of a mystery woman who is really Bill Dungsroman in disguse.

[Demon G Sides]

Dear god...

I KNEW IT.

[markv]

Who gets to play Gob?

[Anaxagoras]

At least until season 3 when it turns out you aren't really Demon G Sides, but really Athryn who has cleverly disguised herself as Demon G Sides to see if Tom Chick really does love her. Meanwhile the real Demon G Sides has been confronted by Dirt, the twin brother he never knew he had, and both are competing for the love of a mystery woman who is really Bill Dungsroman in disguse.

Aren't there already enough soap operas around here w/out you inventing new ones?

<insert hint that Nick & I are married>

[Albert Woo]

V.35 (http://cid-fe94a19aa9728292.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Qt3/Whoswho35.jpg)

[Matthew Gallant]

The French rat chef was voiced by Patton Oswalt, not David Cross. Why is this fundamental change in the chart not denoted by a fresh geometric shape?

[Albert Woo]

Well, whatever your opinion of Zep-- may be, at least he got himself banned in a timely fashion, as this week marks the third anniversary of this chart.



http://www3.telus.net/public/awoo1/Whoswho36.jpg

[Athryn]

Rogen is either banned, or just MIA? We haven't heard from him in quite some time now. (thankfully)

[Albert Woo]

He's MIA.

[Demon G Sides]

I for one will not miss Zep--.

[Mike O'Malley]

Rogen is in Japan with his GF, or will claim to be.

What did Zep-- in?

[Tankero]

I think I've been two bad apostrophes away from ending up on this hall of infamy.

[Kareem]

What did Zep-- in?

http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?t=43081

[Dirt]

I did something like that before. Got banned too.

[Ergo]

Frankly, I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did. He's a 45-year-old teenager.

[Major Icehole]

Surprised me that he got hisself banned, but I'm not sorry.

[Robert Sharp]

Hmmm...I never clicked on that thread. I thought it was about the YMCA. Now I'm glad I never clicked it. Bravo to Tom for shutting it down. Hopefully, it's the end of a trend.

[Shadari]

// It's only a matter of time...
while (Zep--);
Ban();
// cya :(

[LesJarvis]

As a user I find that posters like Zep-- don't really bother me that much. He's dumb, sure, but he was also pretty innocuous, and I find types like him very easy to ignore, and occasionally they're even entertaining. I tend to be more annoyed with people who constantly shit up threads with actual content in them by either making themselves the focus of attention or just derailing meaningful discussion in general. From Tom's point of view I can entirely understand it, though. He doesn't want QT3 to become a place people think of as having threads like the one that got Zep-- banned, and letting that kind of thing go definitely has negative long term consequences, so good riddance.

[VegasRobb]

Had no idea about Zep, definitely didn't see the thread.

[Shadarr]

Personally, I was surprised Zep survived as long as he did. He didn't flame out in a blaze of glory like DKI but still, he brings nothing to the forum except constant, low-level trolling.

[MyNameIsWill]

Had no idea about Zep, definitely didn't see the thread.
Tom pwned it pretty quickly.

[RickH]

Hmmm...I never clicked on that thread. I thought it was about the YMCA. Now I'm glad I never clicked it. Bravo to Tom for shutting it down. Hopefully, it's the end of a trend.

I HATE it when I post something in a thread that ends up getting locked. I feel like I've been splashed by the ban-goo.

Now I'm constantly looking in the upper right corner to see whether my PM total has gone up.

[AndrewM]

Now I'm constantly looking in the upper right corner to see whether my PM total has gone up.

Now I have to resist the urge to PM you, just to scare you.

[Raife]

I HATE it when I post something in a thread that ends up getting locked. I feel like I've been splashed by the ban-goo.

Now I'm constantly looking in the upper right corner to see whether my PM total has gone up.

Oh please, you haven't gotten anywhere near getting a Thomas Knock. Not even in the same solar system.

[Ed Solomon]

I'm ecstatic that moronic asshole got banned.

Marvel QT3! Marvel! This is a scene never before glimpsed by living man. I gloat at the misfortune of one of my fellows. And it feels GREAT!

[Raife]

Yep.

Raife--

[Jon Rowe]

I am young and pretty dumb.

But at least I have some tact.

[Raife]

I am young and pretty dumb.

You'll grow out of that.

I mean the young part.

[UncleSmoothie]

Datter's post in that thread is.. interesting.

[Sockpuppet]

Datter's post in that thread is.. interesting.

Yeah, that thread has to be good for at least a twofer.

[jerri blank]

I have virtually no history here, but that ban chart is freakin' brilliant.

[Raife]

I have virtually no history here, but that ban chart is freakin' brilliant.

Note that it's version 36!

[Anaxagoras]

What do the little numbers mean? (e.g. Voltaic has a "1" next to him)

Also, why do some people get a full bubble on the "banned" side, and others just get tiny banhammers?

[AndrewM]

I think the little numbers present a total chronology of events. I imagine the full bubble vs tiny banhammer doesn't mean anything.

[Anaxagoras]

Ah. So the randomly assigned little banhammers determine if someone gets a chronological number next to their name.

It's so crazy, it just might work. To the batmobile, Robin!

[Dirt]

I have virtually no history here, but that ban chart is freakin' brilliant.

It's all fun and games until you see your name on there.

[jerri blank]

It's all fun and games until you see your name on there.

A girl can dream...

[Demon G Sides]

Mine name's there!

[Ed Solomon]

Mine name's there!

Yeah, but you got in on a technicality. Jerri is dreaming of the big time.

[Patrick]

I once got a pm from Tom about something I posted, But I saw the Error of my ways.

[Funkula]

Now I'm constantly looking in the upper right corner to see whether my PM total has gone up.

Great, now you've made me paranoid.

[Albert Woo]

I think the little numbers present a total chronology of events. I imagine the full bubble vs tiny banhammer doesn't mean anything.


Ah. So the randomly assigned little banhammers determine if someone gets a chronological number next to their name.

It's so crazy, it just might work. To the batmobile, Robin!
It's not random. The banhammer icons on the right side are for those who also have an entry on the left side or bottom; the numbers are not chronological but rather link up the related entries. So, those who get bubbles are the ones who don't have an alias/name change listed. The exceptions are Untouchable2K (since his name has to fit on one line the bubble would be disproportionately large or the name unreadably small), Jose Liz (his entry was made when his other account was not known) and hermyhermit. The last two will get their "bubble status" swapped in the next version.

[Chris Nahr]

hermyhermit got banned? See, without the bubble I haven't even noticed!

[Hans Lauring]

I have been known to post in pointless threads and I've even started a few... but not the offensive ones. So I feel pretty safe from the gentle hammer.
... which means that my only chance of the fame that goes with a mention on Alberts chart is to change my name.