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Brian Rucker
03-31-2006, 06:25 AM
Prayers offered by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who were undergoing heart surgery, a large and long-awaited study has found.

And patients who knew they were being prayed for had a higher rate of post-operative complications like abnormal heart rhythms, perhaps because of the expectations the prayers created, the researchers suggested.

Because it is the most scientifically rigorous investigation of whether prayer can heal illness, the study, begun almost a decade ago and involving more than 1,800 patients, has for years been the subject of speculation.
In the study, the researchers monitored 1,802 patients at six hospitals who received coronary bypass surgery, in which doctors reroute circulation around a clogged vein or artery.

The patients were broken into three groups. Two were prayed for; the third was not. Half the patients who received the prayers were told that they were being prayed for; half were told that they might or might not receive prayers.

The researchers asked the members of three congregations — St. Paul's Monastery in St. Paul; the Community of Teresian Carmelites in Worcester, Mass.; and Silent Unity, a Missouri prayer ministry near Kansas City — to deliver the prayers, using the patients' first names and the first initials of their last names.

The congregations were told that they could pray in their own ways, but they were instructed to include the phrase, "for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications."

Analyzing complications in the 30 days after the operations, the researchers found no differences between those patients who were prayed for and those who were not.

In another of the study's findings, a significantly higher number of the patients who knew that they were being prayed for — 59 percent — suffered complications, compared with 51 percent of those who were uncertain. The authors left open the possibility that this was a chance finding. But they said that being aware of the strangers' prayers also may have caused some of the patients a kind of performance anxiety.

"It may have made them uncertain, wondering am I so sick they had to call in their prayer team?" Dr. Bethea said.

The study also found that more patients in the uninformed prayer group — 18 percent — suffered major complications, like heart attack or stroke, compared with 13 percent in the group that did not receive prayers. In their report, the researchers suggested that this finding might also be a result of chance.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

Angie Gallant
03-31-2006, 06:29 AM
But they said that being aware of the strangers' prayers also may have caused some of the patients a kind of performance anxiety.

"It may have made them uncertain, wondering am I so sick they had to call in their prayer team?" Dr. Bethea said.

The study also found that more patients in the uninformed prayer group — 18 percent — suffered major complications, like heart attack or stroke, compared with 13 percent in the group that did not receive prayers. In their report, the researchers suggested that this finding might also be a result of chance.

The only logical conclusion from the God-Did-It point of view is that he reviewed their cases and decided to make them suffer some more. Clearly one should not invoke God and try to slip through life unnoticed. Ia.

DeepT
03-31-2006, 06:32 AM
That is clearly the lession. Keep a low profile.

Ben
03-31-2006, 06:37 AM
The study also found that more patients in the uninformed prayer group — 18 percent — suffered major complications, like heart attack or stroke, compared with 13 percent in the group that did not receive prayers. In their report, the researchers suggested that this finding might also be a result of chance.

What was the alternative explanation? A vengeful God? Terrible.

Kalle
03-31-2006, 06:44 AM
Proof that god hates smartasses and science.

Charles
03-31-2006, 07:26 AM
Seriously, you guys, you are missing the key problem here. The people only prayed with first name and initial. There's probably hundreds of thousands of people who meet each given search parameter.

God probably looked at the amount of search results, and say "fuck it, I don't have time to figure this shit out" and applied the prayer bonus to the first guy in this list, which most likely wasn't the guy getting surgery.

Alternately, after grabbing the first search result for the incomplete names, and doing this a few times, and seeing that that person wasn't having surgery, he said "Man, this fucking church is full of cranks, I don't have time for this shit" and then proceeded to ignore the rest of what they said.

Matthew Gallant
03-31-2006, 07:47 AM
What we need is to construct a prayer machine. I believe (and so therefore I'm right) if properly blessed, the machine would be more than capable of commune with the almighty forces of the universe and able to maintain the privacy of the stricken and cursed.

Barring that, IBM speech synthesis is getting pretty good; it would probably catch God off guard. Just set it and forget it.

Flowers
03-31-2006, 08:39 AM
For me, the efficacy of prayer and religious practice as a method of controlling contested outcomes was settled by the 1989 major motion picture, Major League.

MattKeil
03-31-2006, 08:47 AM
What we need is to construct a prayer machine. I believe (and so therefore I'm right) if properly blessed, the machine would be more than capable of commune with the almighty forces of the universe and able to maintain the privacy of the stricken and cursed.

Barring that, IBM speech synthesis is getting pretty good; it would probably catch God off guard. Just set it and forget it.

I built one of those, but it's less of a prayer machine and more of a dodgeball machine.

balut
03-31-2006, 09:10 AM
I built one of those, but it's less of a prayer machine and more of a dodgeball machine.

I thought you said it was a time machine!

Ben
03-31-2006, 10:09 AM
MattKeil- Almost. Dodgeball cannon. Cannon.

Flowers- Are you trying to say Jesus couldn't hit a curveball?

shift6
03-31-2006, 10:50 PM
I'd hardly consider a study on the prayers from Benedictine sisters, Carmelite Catholics, and resurfaced New Age type Christians as conclusive. Where are the wacky-assed bible thumping evangelicals? Hellfire and damnation Baptists are also under-represented in the study. Where are the regulation Roman Catholics? How about the Jews?

Oh wait, nevermind. I forgot. QT3.

LOL JEEBUS!!1! yuk yuk yuk