Conversatives call for judge executions

[Jason McCullough]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38308-2005Apr8.html

Not to be outdone, lawyer-author Edwin Vieira told the gathering that Kennedy should be impeached because his philosophy, evidenced in his opinion striking down an anti-sodomy statute, "upholds Marxist, Leninist, satanic principles drawn from foreign law."

Ominously, Vieira continued by saying his "bottom line" for dealing with the Supreme Court comes from Joseph Stalin. "He had a slogan, and it worked very well for him, whenever he ran into difficulty: 'no man, no problem,' " Vieira said.

judge in Atlanta and the husband and mother of a judge in Chicago were murdered in recent weeks. After federal courts spurned a request from Congress to revisit the Terri Schiavo case, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) said that "the time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior." Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) mused about how a perception that judges are making political decisions could lead people to "engage in violence."

Republicans, would you please keep your leaders from talking about assassination? Thanks.

[Chris Nahr]

That's so beautiful. Kennedy is not only a Marxist, Leninist, and Satanist (which are really only different names for the same thing, right?) but -- just to place him beyond any possibility of redemption -- his principles are drawn from foreign law! Can even a Soviet Satanist be that vile, I ask you?

[CindySue22]

I, believe it or not, am beginning to side with a lot of the left wing, radical, communist, pinko opinions on this forum. :wink:

Right wing talk radio is becoming just a little bit too strident and ridiculous, even for me. I am a conservative on most issues, but I also believe, for the most part, in the "live and let live" philosophy, too. And for the past couple of months, I have heard the words "God" and "Christian***" far too often from the mouths of the majority of RW talk show hosts.

Note to talk show hosts>>>We elected GWB, not GOD.

[shift6]

Yay for misleading thread titles. I was hoping some radical right wing group had actually called for executions. :cry:

[Union Carbide]

Considering the full Stalin quote is "Death solves all problems: no man, no problem," I think the intent is clear.

Besides, do we really want the people in power in the US taking their cues from Stalin?

[Nick Walter]

Considering the full Stalin quote is "Death solves all problems: no man, no problem." I think the intent is clear.

Besides, do we really want the people in power in the US taking their cues from Stalin?

The Stalin quote was from a Limbaugh-esque fruit loop, someone who makes his living pandering to the nutball crowd, not somebody in power.

[Jason McCullough]

Does Cornyn apologizing for that sort of thing count? How about Delay making veiled threats?

The conference was organized during the height of the Schiavo controversy by a new group, the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional Restoration. This was no collection of fringe characters. The two-day program listed two House members; aides to two senators; representatives from the Family Research Council and Concerned Women for America; conservative activists Alan Keyes and Morton C. Blackwell; the lawyer for Terri Schiavo's parents; Alabama's "Ten Commandments" judge, Roy Moore; and DeLay, who canceled to attend the pope's funeral.

[Union Carbide]

Yeah, and DeLay saying something along the lines that judges' decisions might result in violence towards them doesn't indicate any support of wingnuts like Viera at all.

[Nick Walter]

Does Cornyn apologizing for that sort of thing count? How about Delay making veiled threats?

The right is angry with judges, but there's a world of difference between anger and murderous intent. I get angry with lots of people in my life, but strangely enough I've never killed anyone.

If you seriously believe that prominent republican politicans are exhorting the faithful to rise up and slay judges, you might want to make arrangements to move to another country.

[Stroker Ace]

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who wants one for christmas?

[Andrew Mayer]

Considering the full Stalin quote is "Death solves all problems: no man, no problem." I think the intent is clear.

Besides, do we really want the people in power in the US taking their cues from Stalin?

The Stalin quote was from a Limbaugh-esque fruit loop, someone who makes his living pandering to the nutball crowd, not somebody in power.

But, unlike a random college professor, someone who has direct access to those in power.

Why is the GOP so unwilling to clean their own house of the radical nutballs it has become infested with?

[Nick Walter]

But, unlike a random college professor, someone who has direct access to those in power.

Why is the GOP so unwilling to clean their own house of the radical nutballs it has become infested with?

Presumably for the same reason that the Democrats haven't either.

[Jason McCullough]

"The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior," DeLay warned.

[JeffL]

Considering the full Stalin quote is "Death solves all problems: no man, no problem." I think the intent is clear.

Besides, do we really want the people in power in the US taking their cues from Stalin?

The Stalin quote was from a Limbaugh-esque fruit loop, someone who makes his living pandering to the nutball crowd, not somebody in power.

But, unlike a random college professor, someone who has direct access to those in power.

Why is the GOP so unwilling to clean their own house of the radical nutballs it has become infested with?

Neither side has a monopoly on wackos. Several Republican headquarters were shot at during the presidential campaign, Ed Asner said at least twice that I heard at separate times that Sean Hannity "should be killed: yes, I know that sounds radical but I truly think that the harm he does to this country would make that justifiable", etc. etc. etc. And if you wanna start pulling outrageous quotes from people in office (including the Senate and House) you can find a ton.

Both sides are bereft of anything but a desire for power. And the die hard of both sides have one sided views that THEIR people are righteous and good and noble and pure of heart and the other side is evil. Literally. I read the Democratic side on a number of boards, the Republican side on a number of boards, and it's amazing how similar both sound, and how outraged both sides sound at the thought that their people aren't undeniably better.

Yeah, I am pretty fed up and disgusted with American politics and parties.

[Jason McCullough]

Cranks on the left you've never heard of; cranks on the right get their phone calls taken by the President. Or they're the house majority leader.

[VegasRobb]

I gotta say that the more I learn about that Alabama judge the less I like him. During the time when he was getting in trouble for the ten commandments, he was making arguments that were sustainable and despite some really bad grandstanding at the end, he came off as someone who wanted to go down taking a stand for something he believed in strongly.

He was making the rounds on talk radio amid the Terry Schiavo "debate" and he didn't come off really well. He went from a folksy southern conservative to a screechy talking points oriented religious right-wing conservative. It was really difficult to listen to him ... he sounded really bitter, so bitter that any message or insight was drowned out.

It's too bad because the person I first listened too seemed like a good pointman to intelligently discuss the role of religion and religious symbols in and around government institutions.

[Andrew Mayer]

Neither side has a monopoly on wackos. Several Republican headquarters were shot at during the presidential campaign, Ed Asner said at least twice that I heard at separate times that Sean Hannity "should be killed: yes, I know that sounds radical but I truly think that the harm he does to this country would make that justifiable", etc. etc. etc. And if you wanna start pulling outrageous quotes from people in office (including the Senate and House) you can find a ton.

Start showing me where elected officals are saying this on the left.
Start showing me where they're saying it at functions attended by those officials.

It's not that they're on your side, it's that they're standing by your side.

Get the difference?

Both sides are bereft of anything but a desire for power. And the die hard of both sides have one sided views that THEIR people are righteous and good and noble and pure of heart and the other side is evil. Literally. I read the Democratic side on a number of boards, the Republican side on a number of boards, and it's amazing how similar both sound, and how outraged both sides sound at the thought that their people aren't undeniably better.

Blah blah blah. Excuses excuses. People having been towing that bullshit line to excuse their own culpability since they chopped down Ceaser.

You want it to be better make it better, but save the "curse on both your houses" crap for someone else. I know better.

Yeah, I am pretty fed up and disgusted with American politics and parties.

You should move somewhere else then.
See, I can fling those psuedo cliches around too...

[Ben]

This is simply hilarious. Jeff says neither side has a monopoly on wackos, but each side thinks the other side does.

Mayer, in one of the grandest displays of feverishly proving a point ever, provides a brilliant example of just that behavior.

[Nick Walter]

This is simply hilarious. Jeff says neither side has a monopoly on wackos, but each side thinks the other side does.

Mayer, in one of the grandest displays of feverishly proving a point ever, provides a brilliant example of just that behavior.

Did he? I thought his post was tongue-in-cheek.

I can never tell with Mayer. He's so over the top that I can't tell the difference between his tongue-in-cheek trolling and his serious rants.

[Brian Koontz]

Mayer's not over-the-top... he's no Midnight Son or Bob Cherub. He's simply as pure a liberal as this forum has... there is no comparitive figure on the right.

[Andrew Mayer]

I can never tell with Mayer. He's so over the top that I can't tell the difference between his tongue-in-cheek trolling and his serious rants.

Keep that kind of shit up and I'll start threatening to kill people. And it's Mr. Mayer to you...

But honestly, I think I specifically said that neither side has a monopoly on nutcases, but the right seems to enjoy holding them very close the the center of power. It's not what you know, it's who you know.

[Nick Walter]

I can never tell with Mayer. He's so over the top that I can't tell the difference between his tongue-in-cheek trolling and his serious rants.

Keep that kind of shit up and I'll start threatening to kill people. And it's Mr. Mayer to you...

But honestly, I think I specifically said that neither side has a monopoly on nutcases, but the right seems to enjoy holding them very close the the center of power. It's not what you know, it's who you know.

Hmm, perhaps a compromise. How about Agent Mayer?

[Brian Rucker]

Jeff: Andrew's got a good point here. The crazies in the Republican party are running the show. If folks didn't believe it before Schiavo they should see it now as the war for, war on, the judiciary heats up. These guys aren't just after liberal judges - they want to take down any judge that disagrees with them and stack the courts with rubber stamps for the party they control. I generally don't make it a policy to trust any politician though that's doubtlessly unfair to some. When I do trust someone I end up getting burned - my complete faith in McCain, on the important issues, has been utterly compromised by his support for this administration.

But I know crazy when I see it. Hell, did you see that CindySue of all people is starting to get weirded out by the folks on her side? Look at the polls, she's not alone. There are alot of conservatives who are deliberately labelling themselves libertarians now so they don't get confused with the religious right and even more who've spoken out against what's going on.

This is some serious shit and we can only hope it backfires. If all this radical tinkering with the government causes the Democrats to win back at least one chamber of congress in the midterms we'll see it subside for a while.

[awdougherty]

"The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior," DeLay warned.

I love stuff like this. Doesn't DeLay see any of hte irony dripping from this? Maybe I have my facts confused, but I always thought he was a giant piece of actual shit.

[antlers]

"The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior," DeLay warned.

I'm sure if you called DeLay on this he'd say he was referring to divine retribution in the afterlife.

[shift6]

Delay didn't even see the irony in taking his own relative off of life support but then working to keep Schiavo on hers. That's about as related an issue as you can get! How the hell do you people expect him to see irony on a whole different page of his playbook? Jeesh!