Brian Koontz
01-25-2005, 08:35 AM
These Crowners of Kings
A Qt3er was chatting with a couple self-aware honest High Priests the other day. My floating piece of dirt pregnant wife with microphone attached was able to catch the action.
High Priest #1: I'd like to be able to tell you something, but I can't.
Qt3er: Why can't you?
HP #1: I can't figure out how!
High Priest #2: I like to use my intellect to enslave you to my will.
Qt3er: Whoa, easy there killer. Why the willful hostility?
HP #2: You're scum who needs to be uplifted to my level. Eat the fucking vitamins I stuff down your throat!
HP #1: Wouldn't it be great if you knew what I knew?
Qt3er: I don't know, would it?
HP #1: Yep, it sure would. Hopefully we'll be ready soon.
HP #2: I'm really a tortured soul. The upbringing, you know. So now I take it out on you. Besides, I BELIEVE in pain. Your pain is your salvation. Did you swallow your goddamn vitamins yet? {Starts choking Qt3er}
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I've run the High Priest model before. In fact, I run that model *everywhere*. Oodles of experience, you could say. The only other people on Qt3 who qualify therein are Tom Chick and DrCrypt.
Tom Chick is bad at it relative to DrCrypt and I, although he's subtle and he seems to be picking up some tricks from the High Priest antics here, so I'm sure he'll move on to "bigger and better" things. Tom Chick is voted least likely to be destroyed. He likes the blowjobs too much.
DrCrypt and I instantly recognized each other. I've been searching for quite a while for a way to destroy the High Priests. My early experiments dealt with total public knowledge... very much the Enlightenment idea of everyone knowing everything. The problem is humans just aren't capable of it. While the effort remains extremely worthwhile, humans are very resistant to knowing certain things. More tools are thus necessary.
The next experiments and ongoing experiments deal with transparency, honesty, and self-examination. If the humans can't handle things by themselves, the High Priests must be clarified.
I also probe human resistance, trying to determine why they resist certain truths and even asking the judgement value of "Are they right?"
I suspect what will emerge is an understanding of identity such that humans will hold the *proper* truths for their identity, and develop along accepted lines. The idea is of understanding the relationship between truth and identity, and determining how truth affects identity, in a sense appreciating a harmony between them.
At this point humans will be judged. Equality will be destroyed, and humans will be striated into classes.
My worry with DrCrypt is that he's committed to the High Priest model. My thinking with his aggressive early relationship to me is that he was curious and would inevitably demonize me out of a kind of Turf War (there can be ONLY ONE High Priest!) and out of self-preservation (I must be a High Priest!! My ego must be stroked!). His dishonesty sealed the deal... he was committed.
At one time I thought DrCrypt could be destroyed. I still think he can be, but it won't happen anytime soon. He's not ready.
I'll likely be running the High Priest model until such time as a solution is reached to the problem of truth, identity, and value.
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The High Priest model is a psycho-social reality focused in the identities of some humans. The High Priest is inevitably very paternalistic (even when its a woman), with a troubled family life (upbringing). The High Priest creates a flock of humans who live under his care. Its the creation of a family with him at the pulpit.
The High Priest sees his role to oversee, correct, manipulate, guide, and ultimately control the identity of the family. He does this to improve it, at least from his perspective. The certain effect is that it shapes the family in particular ways, defining it and excluding things non-related.
The High Priest's motivation is multiplistic. Normally, he sees some "problem with the world", and is setting up a kind of bastion (the same philosophy that Churches are built on). He builds his own kind of oasis in the desert.
Any potential destruction of the family will be defended against most passionately by the High Priests, since they have the largest stake in preserving the existing order, which also preserves their own place therein.
The High Priest is almost invariably pleased to have his flock support his aims. He is happy when the flock defends the flock against outside influence, and of course when they show that they have been successfully guided, successfully controlled by the High Priest.
High Priests by nature are subtle. They establish their identity with the flock, then go about the project of shaping. There is no single style or method of High Priests, but a very common signal is the unexplained command. This is a mark of impatient High Priests... others can set up structures and gently nudge the flock into them.
High Priests are very concerned by other High Priests with respect to their flock. An alternative High Priest is the single greatest danger to any High Priest, since it threatens the shaping they are trying to accomplish. The second greatest danger is an uppity member of the flock. Self-preservation means all challenges to the High Priest in terms of his position within the flock are ruthlessly squashed (as ruthlessly as the High Priest can get away with).
My advice to the flock when a High Priest is present is to challenge him. Not TROLL him, trolls are not challenges, trolls are entertainment. In fact, if a High Priest can actually succeed in getting the flock to *believe* a troll is a challenge its Job Well Done! Challenge his identity, challenge the shaping he is trying to accomplish. By doing this the flock has a hand in guiding its own destiny. It can shape the shaper!
Of course, one of the ways a High Priest maintains power is to keep the flock ignorant... for them to NOT know the reason for the shaping. If you notice, neither Tom Chick nor DrCrypt are very good at explaining their actions. And by that I mean they are horrible at it. DrCrypt is decent at explaining why he's a High Priest but equally horrible to Chick in terms of explaining or justifying the terms of the shaping. This is BY DESIGN. Someone committed to the High Priest model can never challenge themselves... they must receive challenge from the flock (and/or from the other High Priests).
Gotta love the Crypt methodology. I come to Qt3, he immediately jumps up and down and points me out. Kill, Kill! Flock Attack! When that wasn't enough, it was to Plan B, and then Plan C. Quite some determination, if nothing else. That provides a nice contrast to Tom Chick's patrician super-slow staring contest. He of the stone face. "I am Tom Chick", he says unblinking. Dry eyes to the point of blindness or not, this guy just refuses to blink!
This solution then for Qt3, and for a method of achieving and maintaining democracy outside of Qt3 as well:
Challenge the shaper, and shape the shaper.
Attain knowledge about and control over the shaping.
DrCrypt: I love trolling! Its what Real Men do!! It allows for insinuation and indirect command!
Tom Chick: Trolling is fine, as long as I approve it.
A Qt3er was chatting with a couple self-aware honest High Priests the other day. My floating piece of dirt pregnant wife with microphone attached was able to catch the action.
High Priest #1: I'd like to be able to tell you something, but I can't.
Qt3er: Why can't you?
HP #1: I can't figure out how!
High Priest #2: I like to use my intellect to enslave you to my will.
Qt3er: Whoa, easy there killer. Why the willful hostility?
HP #2: You're scum who needs to be uplifted to my level. Eat the fucking vitamins I stuff down your throat!
HP #1: Wouldn't it be great if you knew what I knew?
Qt3er: I don't know, would it?
HP #1: Yep, it sure would. Hopefully we'll be ready soon.
HP #2: I'm really a tortured soul. The upbringing, you know. So now I take it out on you. Besides, I BELIEVE in pain. Your pain is your salvation. Did you swallow your goddamn vitamins yet? {Starts choking Qt3er}
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I've run the High Priest model before. In fact, I run that model *everywhere*. Oodles of experience, you could say. The only other people on Qt3 who qualify therein are Tom Chick and DrCrypt.
Tom Chick is bad at it relative to DrCrypt and I, although he's subtle and he seems to be picking up some tricks from the High Priest antics here, so I'm sure he'll move on to "bigger and better" things. Tom Chick is voted least likely to be destroyed. He likes the blowjobs too much.
DrCrypt and I instantly recognized each other. I've been searching for quite a while for a way to destroy the High Priests. My early experiments dealt with total public knowledge... very much the Enlightenment idea of everyone knowing everything. The problem is humans just aren't capable of it. While the effort remains extremely worthwhile, humans are very resistant to knowing certain things. More tools are thus necessary.
The next experiments and ongoing experiments deal with transparency, honesty, and self-examination. If the humans can't handle things by themselves, the High Priests must be clarified.
I also probe human resistance, trying to determine why they resist certain truths and even asking the judgement value of "Are they right?"
I suspect what will emerge is an understanding of identity such that humans will hold the *proper* truths for their identity, and develop along accepted lines. The idea is of understanding the relationship between truth and identity, and determining how truth affects identity, in a sense appreciating a harmony between them.
At this point humans will be judged. Equality will be destroyed, and humans will be striated into classes.
My worry with DrCrypt is that he's committed to the High Priest model. My thinking with his aggressive early relationship to me is that he was curious and would inevitably demonize me out of a kind of Turf War (there can be ONLY ONE High Priest!) and out of self-preservation (I must be a High Priest!! My ego must be stroked!). His dishonesty sealed the deal... he was committed.
At one time I thought DrCrypt could be destroyed. I still think he can be, but it won't happen anytime soon. He's not ready.
I'll likely be running the High Priest model until such time as a solution is reached to the problem of truth, identity, and value.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The High Priest model is a psycho-social reality focused in the identities of some humans. The High Priest is inevitably very paternalistic (even when its a woman), with a troubled family life (upbringing). The High Priest creates a flock of humans who live under his care. Its the creation of a family with him at the pulpit.
The High Priest sees his role to oversee, correct, manipulate, guide, and ultimately control the identity of the family. He does this to improve it, at least from his perspective. The certain effect is that it shapes the family in particular ways, defining it and excluding things non-related.
The High Priest's motivation is multiplistic. Normally, he sees some "problem with the world", and is setting up a kind of bastion (the same philosophy that Churches are built on). He builds his own kind of oasis in the desert.
Any potential destruction of the family will be defended against most passionately by the High Priests, since they have the largest stake in preserving the existing order, which also preserves their own place therein.
The High Priest is almost invariably pleased to have his flock support his aims. He is happy when the flock defends the flock against outside influence, and of course when they show that they have been successfully guided, successfully controlled by the High Priest.
High Priests by nature are subtle. They establish their identity with the flock, then go about the project of shaping. There is no single style or method of High Priests, but a very common signal is the unexplained command. This is a mark of impatient High Priests... others can set up structures and gently nudge the flock into them.
High Priests are very concerned by other High Priests with respect to their flock. An alternative High Priest is the single greatest danger to any High Priest, since it threatens the shaping they are trying to accomplish. The second greatest danger is an uppity member of the flock. Self-preservation means all challenges to the High Priest in terms of his position within the flock are ruthlessly squashed (as ruthlessly as the High Priest can get away with).
My advice to the flock when a High Priest is present is to challenge him. Not TROLL him, trolls are not challenges, trolls are entertainment. In fact, if a High Priest can actually succeed in getting the flock to *believe* a troll is a challenge its Job Well Done! Challenge his identity, challenge the shaping he is trying to accomplish. By doing this the flock has a hand in guiding its own destiny. It can shape the shaper!
Of course, one of the ways a High Priest maintains power is to keep the flock ignorant... for them to NOT know the reason for the shaping. If you notice, neither Tom Chick nor DrCrypt are very good at explaining their actions. And by that I mean they are horrible at it. DrCrypt is decent at explaining why he's a High Priest but equally horrible to Chick in terms of explaining or justifying the terms of the shaping. This is BY DESIGN. Someone committed to the High Priest model can never challenge themselves... they must receive challenge from the flock (and/or from the other High Priests).
Gotta love the Crypt methodology. I come to Qt3, he immediately jumps up and down and points me out. Kill, Kill! Flock Attack! When that wasn't enough, it was to Plan B, and then Plan C. Quite some determination, if nothing else. That provides a nice contrast to Tom Chick's patrician super-slow staring contest. He of the stone face. "I am Tom Chick", he says unblinking. Dry eyes to the point of blindness or not, this guy just refuses to blink!
This solution then for Qt3, and for a method of achieving and maintaining democracy outside of Qt3 as well:
Challenge the shaper, and shape the shaper.
Attain knowledge about and control over the shaping.
DrCrypt: I love trolling! Its what Real Men do!! It allows for insinuation and indirect command!
Tom Chick: Trolling is fine, as long as I approve it.