What would you do?

[DaveC]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005032257,00.html

If a teenager did this to me he'd be picking his nuts off the floor after I finished.

Here's where the morons hang out.

http://www.lushforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=17758

It's not bad enough that they speak like complete toonheads, they actually emulate in text as well.

[nutsak]

Dam dude dis is bad stufffff dos idits be needin sum kik in da balls.

:roll:

um. Yeah. That's really retarded. I too would smack the shit out of someone if they came up and slapped me in the street.

[DaveC]

Dam dude dis is bad stufffff dos idits be needin sum kik in da balls.

:roll:

um. Yeah. That's really retarded. I too would smack the shit out of someone if they came up and slapped me in the street.

I found a few of the vids and it isn't just a light slap, it's usually a full on open palm slap to the head. The best part though is that they are posting their own conviction evidence. I weep for our future.

[BooTx]

http://www.lushforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=17758


Please don't tell me these little shits are part of my generation.

A lot of these people are from Britain, and their use of the English language is reminiscent of a retarded parakeet. Has it really gotten that bad over there?

[Squirrel Killer]

I bet some concealed carry laws would whip these dorks into shape pretty quick. :wink:

[DaveC]

http://www.lushforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=17758


Please don't tell me these little shits are part of my generation.

A lot of these people are from Britain, and their use of the English language is reminiscent of a retarded parakeet. Has it really gotten that bad over there?

Ali G is hilarious until you realize that he's only a hair off from reality.

[Warlord of Mars]

I bet some concealed carry laws would whip these dorks into shape pretty quick. :wink:

It was my thought that if it happened in America, some moron's going to get shot in the face in response.

[VegasRobb]

"fly-kicking"?

Is that something like a running side-kick?

You have to think that they select their targets carefully to avoid reprisal.

All it'll take is one of them getting gunned down, convicted, hurt badly to put a damper on things.

[Rollory]

"fly-kicking"?

Is that something like a running side-kick?


It sounds more to me like a flying kick, like you see in karate. The sort of thing that's used to break through 12-inch pine boards. Which have the same tensile strength as human bone.


All it'll take is one of them getting gunned down, convicted, hurt badly to put a damper on things.

That's the thing: in England, the weapons laws are so utterly draconian now that NOBODY law-abiding carries weapons around - carrying a pocketknife is enough at times to get you harassed by the police. And anybody who does use a weapon against a criminal is at least as likely as the criminal to receive a prison term. It wouldn't surprise me if "beating the shit out of them" also got you arrested and charged with assault and battery. The concepts of "self defense" or "justifiable homicide" seem to be missing over there.

Not to turn this into a P&R thread, but this is about as good an example as any I can think of about why a gun culture is on average better for everyone. Your average retiree or housewife isn't going to be able to beat the shit out of them regardless of the situation. The cops obviously don't have too good a handle on the situation.

"God made some men big, and some men small,
and some men weak, and some men strong,
and some men rich, and some men poor,
and Sam Colt made them all the same."

[Tim Partlett]

I think I'll take the risk of an occasional slap over the risk of an occasional bullet hole in my cranium. Just a personal preference, though.

The propensity for low-level violence in British youth is not caused by the lack of guns, but the celebration of this violence in British youth culture. There are similarly strict laws on gun ownership here in Germany, and yet the risk of getting "happy slapped", or any kind of low-level violence, is practically zero when compared to the UK. The way for Britain to solve this problem is to make this kind of violence as socially unacceptable as it is in Germany, but the government never seems to want to tackle this issue and the police continue to hand out slaps on the wrists to these people.

Guns may reduce the amount of low-level violence in the UK, but it would also likely increase the number of murders and gun crime. Think of the murder rate in America (about six times Britain's), and then put those guns in a country which celebrates going out on a weekend, getting piss drunk, and starting trouble with complete strangers. I wouldn't like to see the consequences of that.

[Hanzii]

Don't be silly.
A higher rate of murders and gun killings (not to mention accidental shootings) is a small price to pay, to protect people from being slapped by moronic kids.

[noun]

What the hell....

I've talked my way of potential violent situations before, but if some stranger "happy slaps" me, all bets are off; I'm breaking bones.

[Samurai]

They would have to fix the violent culture present in Britain before putting guns in there.

To stay on topic with the thread, if someone happy slapped me, he would be getting a happy slap in return...

To his nuts.

[shift6]

I think I'll take the risk of an occasional slap over the risk of an occasional bullet hole in my cranium. Just a personal preference, though.
Answer: 0

Question: number of accidental deaths caused by citizens licensed to carry concealed weapons.

Sorry to P&R the thread though.

[DaveC]

This is why gun culture is better for everyone? Give me a break. This is an example of how shitty parenting has become and how societal tolerance can go too far. I think it's a by-product of spending too much time teaching self-esteem with no basis. If you continue to tell kids that "they rule" and that no matter what they do they it's all good they are going to get a completely inflated sense of self. I also think the net is partly to blame. The net gives a forum for idiots like this to get ego strokes from other morons. Guns, won't help that.

[DaveC]

I think I'll take the risk of an occasional slap over the risk of an occasional bullet hole in my cranium. Just a personal preference, though.
Answer: 0

Question: number of accidental deaths caused by citizens licensed to carry concealed weapons.

Sorry to P&R the thread though.

You have proof of this?

[Alan Au]

This is an example of how shitty parenting has become and how societal tolerance can go too far.
No no no, it couldn't possibly be due to crappy parenting; let's blame those violent video games we hear so much about.

- Alan

[shift6]

You have proof of this?
All you need is one counter-example to kill the assertion. Just like in math.

[DaveC]

You have proof of this?
All you need is one counter-example to kill the assertion. Just like in math.

I don't get it, what are you saying. First you say that ther have been no accidental shootings "caused by citizens licensed to carry concealed weapons" and then you say all I need is one example to counter any evidence you might bring forth? Whaaaa?

[shift6]

I don't get it, what are you saying. First you say that ther have been no accidental shootings "caused by citizens licensed to carry concealed weapons" and then you say all I need is one example to counter any evidence you might bring forth? Whaaaa?
No, I didn't say to counter any evidence, I said to kill the assertion. In other words, to show my claim is incorrect.

[mdowdle]

You have proof of this?
All you need is one counter-example to kill the assertion. Just like in math.

Done.

See New York Times, September 16, 2004 Thursday, Late Edition - Final, Section B; Column 1; Metropolitan Desk; Pg. 4, "Brooklyn Man, 25, Is Fatally Shot By an Off-Duty Police Officer," and Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (Wisconsin), June 15, 2002 Saturday, FINAL EDITION, Pg. 04B, "Tentative $257,500 settlement reached in man's death in '97"

In both cases the person killed was not doing anything wrong. In both cases, the killing was committed in a public space by an off-duty policemen using a handgun he happened to have on him. In neither case was the policemen accused (even by the victims' families) of carrying an illegally concealed weapon.

[Jamie Madigan]

Answer: 0

Question: number of accidental deaths caused by citizens licensed to carry concealed weapons.
Is that because it's not an "accidental death" when someone pulls out a gun and deliberately shoots someone?

[Ben]

Police officers aren't "citizens licensed to carry concealed weapons".

You might has well have linked to a box score from a Trailblazers game. So, mdowdle, are you trolling or are you really as stupid as your post makes you appear?

[Tim Partlett]

I think I'll take the risk of an occasional slap over the risk of an occasional bullet hole in my cranium. Just a personal preference, though.
Answer: 0

Question: number of accidental deaths caused by citizens licensed to carry concealed weapons.

Sorry to P&R the thread though.

And your response relates to my statement how?

[shift6]

The thread seemed to be going towards a discussion of the "gun culture" or people carrying guns leading necessarily to more murders. The "occasional bullet hole" remark brought to mind the normal arguments against arming law-abiding civilians, i.e. accidental shootings. So I just kinda skipped a couple steps.

[JM]

We have lots of little shitbags here. We can only apologise. :)

[Rollory]

This is why gun culture is better for everyone? Give me a break. This is an example of how shitty parenting has become and how societal tolerance can go too far.

This sounds like you're advocating a sort of collective-action solution to societal violence. I don't believe such things really work; I'm more focused on individual action in the face of such a situation. If collective action could be depended on, you'd be right, but I don't think it's capable of eliminating such behavior - you'll always have your violent crazies - and I am not willing to submit to being the occasional exceptional victim. Thus, I like guns.

I think it's a by-product of spending too much time teaching self-esteem with no basis. If you continue to tell kids that "they rule" and that no matter what they do they it's all good they are going to get a completely inflated sense of self.

This I agree with.

[Nellie]

The concepts of "self defense" or "justifiable homicide" seem to be missing over there.

I don't believe there is Justifiable homicide. It is covered by reasonable force in what passes for a Self Defence law (that granted doesn't give you a huge amount of leeway). Can you kick to death a mugger you managed to overpower? funnily enough no you can't. In the same way you get convicted for murder for shooting an unarmed boy in the back when he's trying to get away.

Why would a gun stop this kind of crap anyway? I'm assuming that even in the more pro-gun states it still isn't legal to murder people for hitting you and running off.

[Nick Walter]

Why would a gun stop this kind of crap anyway? I'm assuming that even in the more pro-gun states it still isn't legal to murder people for hitting you and running off.

Depends on how good a liar you are. If someone slugs you and then runs you can't claim self defense if you shoot them in the back. If you can manage to get them in the front somehow, even when they are backing away, you can always claim they were reaching for a gun. Told correctly that story would fly, especially if you had some visible injury from the assault while telling it. It would be even more likely to work if the shooter was white and the victim some sort of racial minority.

[Nellie]

:shock:

[Gunmetal]

You have proof of this?
All you need is one counter-example to kill the assertion. Just like in math.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a395dd31f7c59.htm
There was a movie patron inside of a theater in Louisville last night. He had a handgun (didn't say waht type) in his pants pocket. He was standing in lince for the concession when the gun slipped down his pants leg and discharged. The CCW permit holder was shot as was a 60 year old woman that was in line. Police are not charging him with any violation of CCW laws although he might be charged with "wanton endangerment". The theater had a "no weapons" sign, but that is not enforceable under Kentucky law. If a business owner asks a CCW permit holder with a weapon to leave, they are obligated to leave.

Link to the guy pleading guilty to Second Degree Felony assault
http://www.kc3.com/pdf/September2002_nl.pdf

Yes, not an accidental death. It's hard to search when 90% of the results are for "our rights to carry a gun to the 9:30 showing of Elektra are being infringed upon!"

[Tim Partlett]

I am finding that an increasing problem, gunmetal. Recently the search for facts on the Internet turns up more and more opinion, as people hijack the keywords to force their views down my throat. This happens particularly on issues where ideologues exist, like evolution and gun control, on both sides of the argument. It is really annoying. I wonder if a search engine can be developed that filters out that kind of crap?

[DaveC]

This is why gun culture is better for everyone? Give me a break. This is an example of how shitty parenting has become and how societal tolerance can go too far.

This sounds like you're advocating a sort of collective-action solution to societal violence. I don't believe such things really work; I'm more focused on individual action in the face of such a situation. If collective action could be depended on, you'd be right, but I don't think it's capable of eliminating such behavior - you'll always have your violent crazies - and I am not willing to submit to being the occasional exceptional victim. Thus, I like guns.



No, I'm not saying that at all. Society isn't a creature unto itself, it's made up of individuals and it's how those individuals act that dictates our standards. I think the threat of guns just escalates things. It's entirely possible to deal with a situation like this without guns. Maybe it's because I didn't grow up steeped in gun culture, but I don't find any comfort in them at all. A good swift kick to the nads would most likely be sufficient deterent for these "happy slappers".

[Supertanker]

You people call yourself gun control debaters on the Internet? Over 30 posts and nobody has whipped the Heinlein quote dead horse yet? Here, I'll do it, just to get it out of the way: "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

[DaveC]

You people call yourself gun control debaters on the Internet? Over 30 posts and nobody has whipped the Heinlein quote dead horse yet? Here, I'll do it, just to get it out of the way: "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

Love his writing, but in this area I diverge with his opinions.

[Idar Thorvaldsen]

I wonder if a search engine can be developed that filters out that kind of crap?

They're working on it, and stuff like it.

[shift6]

Just find the blogs that agree with what you already think. Problem solved.