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Talisker
11-03-2004, 01:51 PM
Here's a very insightful writeup from someone who did just that last year:

Thinking of moving abroad? - My experiences from the last year (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/133649/855)

Here's my take:

I've heard a LOT of people today say they're considering moving out of the country. I'm certainly not immune to that knee-jerk reaction; after seeing the (near) final results this morning, I found myself musing on the drive in to the office. Between Kerry's heartbreaking near-win, the strengthening of the Republican hold on Congress, and the unanimous success of the anti-gay amendments in every state where they appeared, well, I'm feeling pretty damn dejected.

When I was sixteen, my family lived in Scotland for the year -- Dad was on sabbatical from his teaching position, and brought the family there to live while he co-wrote a book with a professor at St. Andrew's University. It certainly wasn't unpleasant -- Scotland is a lovely country, and the people there are among the finest I've met in my life; assuming I could find appropriate employment, I could very easily live quite happily there.

So -- what if I did? What if my wife and I sold our house, picked up our most important belongings, and moved overseas? Would it fix everything? Would I feel better?

Suppose I was able to overcome the sense of homesickness, the feeling of being too far away from friends and family -- after all, with modern communication, email, phone calls, internet, frequent flier miles, there really isn't that huge a difference between overseas and out-of-state anymore. If I was able to arrange things such that I wouldn't miss my friends, wouldn't feel disconnected from my family, would I feel better? How would I feel come election day, 2008?

It struck me -- where I live doesn't matter. It wouldn't matter if I lived overseas today -- I'd still be watching the news, hitting the election result sites, reading the discussions, feeling kicked in the gut.

Like it or not, America is my home. No matter where I might run to in the world, I'd always be turning an eye back to see what's happening at home. I can't NOT care, no matter how hard I try -- it's where I'm from, it's part of who I am, no matter where I am. It's home.

When I was a kid, my brother and I would fight sometimes. We'd yell, call each other names, we'd punch and kick, until Mom would come and separate us. "I hate you!" I'd yell from my room as we served our time-outs. I'd fantasize about punching his nose so hard he'd bleed for a week. Underneath the anger and hurt, though, I'd wish for something else even more -- I'd wish we'd quit fighting.

As I drove, I passed a local out in his yard, standing next to his Bush/Cheney sign, looking satisfied. As I drove by, I pictured, just for a moment, punching him in the face. I didn't feel any better.

Tim Partlett
11-03-2004, 01:56 PM
Living abroad is great, and with modern communication you don't feel all that cut off at all. I first lived abroad ten years ago, working out in Australia for a year, and I did feel isolated from my homeland there, but I didn't care that much as it was so much fun. Out here in Germany there is the language issue, but with the Internet I'm never far away from a conversation in my native tongue. And it is all really exciting as well!

Moore
11-03-2004, 01:59 PM
If I was still in WV, I think I'd be a lot more serious about it. Being in SoCal is pretty close to not living in the US though. I was thinking of heading back that way in a year or so, maybe SC (fiancees sisters are down there pumping out babies for their asshole bigot husbands) but I really don't feel like arguing every political conversation I have while I live there. Here it's easy: make fun of the commies at the farmers market, everyone else gets along except for petty local shit.

BrewersDroop
11-03-2004, 02:01 PM
Can't speak for anyone else of course but this election has convinced me that it's time to move back to Canada. It's not a knee-jerk reaction; I was thinking about moving back anyway. I woke up this morning and understood that it's time to move back. Over lunch today, a couple of co-workers, one Russian, one Taiwanese, said they felt the same way.

Chowhound
11-03-2004, 02:33 PM
Bah, moving out is just the beginning. What you need to do is renounce your citizenship. The Straight Dope has kindly provided instructions on how to do this: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_229.html

Silverlight
11-03-2004, 02:44 PM
Have fun, guys. -wave-

Duality
11-03-2004, 04:16 PM
I've seriously considered it.

I doubt I will, since I've never even lived away from my parents. Living in another country is something of a frightening thought.

My best friends (a homosexual couple) have toyed with the idea of moving to Toronto so that they can get married, so it would be a lot easier decision to make if we all (the three of us and my girlfriend) decided to move en masse.

Still nothing more than a thought in the back of my head, however.

Christien Murawski
11-03-2004, 04:44 PM
If you're considering Canada, think twice:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1896&ncid=1896&e=5&u=/nm/20041103/us_nm/election_canada_haven_dc_1

"But this is going to be the best movie ever. It's a foreign movie from Canada!"

-Amanpour

BrewersDroop
11-03-2004, 05:45 PM
I'm a Canadian living in the US so no immigration hassles for me, thankfully.

MikeTwain
11-03-2004, 05:58 PM
Can I help you guys pack?

Duality
11-03-2004, 06:03 PM
Sure. Can you get that pile of dirty underwear?

Tyjenks
11-03-2004, 06:08 PM
Just think of the job surplus we would have if the incensed Democrats moved out every time a Republican was elected and vice versa. They could split the cost on residences and who knows what else.

Stroker Ace
11-03-2004, 06:09 PM
i have this stiff yellow sock under the bed, can you pick it up too?

Christien Murawski
11-03-2004, 06:35 PM
Maybe the reason the Dems lost this time is that all those people who threatened to leave after the 2000 debacle actually did.

God this country would be such a disaster if we really did leave. Better watch what you wish for.

-Amanpour

BrewersDroop
11-03-2004, 06:46 PM
Can I help you guys pack?

Sure. I'll even let an American have the job I'm leaving behind. No, it's okay, no need to thank me. You need all the help you can get creating job opportunities in this country. Think of it as my parting gift.

Ta ta now.

BooTx
11-04-2004, 11:49 AM
Oh my god I'm crying.

Okay I'm over it.

Dean
11-04-2004, 12:14 PM
I feel fine in Massachusetts. We're in the middle of all this blue (okay, there's NH that's kind of purple, but I don't go there anyway), and we've got the NY/CN buffer zone for when the fundamentalist hordes come for us. Hopefully we can escape to Canada before Hartford falls.

MikeTwain
11-04-2004, 12:18 PM
Sure. Can you get that pile of dirty underwear?

:lol:

MarchHare
11-04-2004, 01:05 PM
I feel fine in Massachusetts. We're in the middle of all this blue (okay, there's NH that's kind of purple, but I don't go there anyway), and we've got the NY/CN buffer zone for when the fundamentalist hordes come for us. Hopefully we can escape to Canada before Hartford falls.

Interesting trivia: every blue state either directly borders Canada or borders another blue state. Hawaii excepted, of course. When the war comes, I'm sure we'll be happy to incorporate you guys. ;)

Midnight Son
11-04-2004, 01:08 PM
I, for one, welcome our Canadian Overlords.

madkevin
11-04-2004, 03:44 PM
Well, now that we don't have any hockey, we Canadians have all this free time to start on total world domination. Luckily, we'll be benevolent rulers - how does Shatner as Secretary of State sound? As a bonus, you get to keep Celine Dion.
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DennyA
11-04-2004, 04:14 PM
I'd say what we really need to do is all move to Ohio and Florida before the next election.

Except then we'd have to live in Ohio or Florida.

Lunch of Kong
11-04-2004, 05:20 PM
What's interesting to me is that 90% of Washington, D.C. residents voted for Kerry. They want a different neighbor.

Here in Austin, where GWB once governed, we were the only patch of blue (56% of Travis County voted Kerry) in a vast sea of Red.

Robert Sharp
11-04-2004, 07:04 PM
What's interesting to me is that 90% of Washington, D.C. residents voted for Kerry. They want a different neighbor.

Here in Austin, where GWB once governed, we were the only patch of blue (56% of Travis County voted Kerry) in a vast sea of Red.

Interesting point about Austin, and good to hear. I use to live there myself, so I feel a bit of pride.

As for D.C., most of the people who actually live in the city limits are minorities or poorer people. The rich white folk live in VA or Maryland.

Enidigm
11-04-2004, 07:44 PM
What kind of jobs could an overseas adventurer get in a country like Germany or England?

I had this bizarre feeling in my the pit of my gut all day after the election, this feeling i had just seen a blue sky for the first time, like i was hypersensitive to everything around me. I mean i knew Bush was going to win, i just didn't predict why. Then i remembered the last time i felt that way was during the day of 9/11. I'm not exaggerating or joking.

mono
11-04-2004, 08:04 PM
While there's still a good possibility my wife and I may move to Japan in the next year or two... I think for the short term, I'm moving to the World of Warcraft.

Nellie
11-05-2004, 09:13 AM
What kind of jobs could an overseas adventurer get in a country like Germany or England

We need some people to operate the sickles come harvest time and after foot and mouth, theres a big shortage of plough pullers. Far as I know, get a work permit and Police and Armed forces aside you can do any job you want to.

You'll probably find the selection of jobs about the same (though arguably more of them), the standard of living comparitively lower, a lot of what I have seen recently tends to suggest that we pay about the same in Pounds as the US pays in Dollars for the majority of jobs but that a Dollar goes a lot further in the US.

Fortunately when you see how much we pay for Petrol, you will get to have that heart attack treated by our lovely National Health Service without having to get the credit card out.