Return of the Jack Bauer Power Hour [Archive]

Anonymous

10-30-2002, 09:37 AM

Tom Shales nailed it right on the head when he said that while he loved what he's seen of the new season, he and a bunch of other critics believe the daughter subplot to be utterly and totally contrived.

"I'm gonna need a hacksaw" is gonna be the gold standard for quotes this year.

I can see why he did it. That scumbag was a child kidnapper, molester, and murderer. Jack shoots him in the heart and if he saves the day, he'll get a presidential pardon. If he doesn't save the day, well, they can't throw you in jail if you've been caught in a nuclear explosion. It's a win-win for Jack either way!

Ben Sones

10-30-2002, 09:40 AM

The second option is about as Phyrric as wins get, but I also see why he did it. He needs a really strong cover, and fast. Murdering the key witness in the trial of the man that you want to get in good with... that's pretty damn convincing.

Anonymous

10-30-2002, 09:42 AM

Yeah, I was being ironic with that second "win".

The only redeeming thing about the daughter subplot is if we get to see WAY-TOO-YOUNG-AND-HOT-TO-BE-AN-ABUSED-WIFE scamper around in her underwear more often. Hubba, hubba.

And what is it with this show and blondes? Not that I'm complaining, but it's a cornucopia of HOT BLONDES EVERYWHERE! The girl getting married to the MaybeTerrorist is really hot!

Tyjenks

10-30-2002, 09:49 AM

Musings on last night's premiere of 24:

1. Daughter subplot feels too much like Movie Of The Week.
2. Stupid "I'm marrying a terrorist!" subplot feels like a red herring.

But those stupidities were redeemed by:

"I'n gonna need a hacksaw."

I thought it started a little cheesily as well, but I guess we have to get some sort of build up.

Why will she not talk to her Dad? She does not blame him, but he reminds her of her mother so she is not ready to see him? WTF? That is pretty weak, too.

How many bleached blondes were on last night's episode? I know I counted at least 6:
The daughter (Meeeeowww.)
The woman the daughter works for
The woman marrying the terrorist
Her sister
I forget the others

My wife got confused as to who was who.

The hacksaw line was a goodie.

Anonymous

10-30-2002, 09:52 AM

Yeah, turns out that it wasn't the Blonde The Daughter Works for running around in her panties, it was actually the Daughter herself. Ouch. Someone please tell me that the actress playing the Daughter is at least 18, or else I'm gonna feel really sleazy.

It's easy to get the blondes confused, especially if you're distracted at the moment.

Thankfully, I've got the entire episode in one big MPEG2 file! I can break it down frame by frame now.

Thierry Nguyen

10-30-2002, 09:53 AM

MaybeTerrorist's fiancee was in The Faculty.

Also, they may be hot, but they're too damn alike! Fucking LA blondes everywhere! Is MaybeTerrorist's wife related to Wifebeater?

What the hell was Darlene Connor's deal?

And SoulPatch is now Soulless Patch!

Tyjenks

10-30-2002, 09:53 AM

Damn you guys are fast. You already stated all of my points and posted them before I had the time to type mine in. :P

Anonymous

10-30-2002, 09:57 AM

Anyone notice that the father of MaybeTerrorist's fiance and her sister looks remarkably like John Walker Lindh's father? Coincidence? Think not.

Yeah, I totally figured out late last night the fiance. Laura Harris. She was in the Faculty. Her character's name is Marie Warner.

Tyjenks

10-30-2002, 09:58 AM

What the hell was Darlene Connor's deal?

Where has she been? Every female in that office is straight off a magazine cover and then we have the newbie, meek, homely computer programmer.

Darlene: "I am no ready for this. Maybe you should get someone else."

Me on my couch: "There is no one else."

What's his name from last year: "There is no one else."

Blech.

Thierry Nguyen

10-30-2002, 10:06 AM

What the hell was Darlene Connor's deal?

What's his name from last year: "There is no one else."

Soulless Patch.

Tyjenks

10-30-2002, 10:14 AM

What the hell was Darlene Connor's deal?

What's his name from last year: "There is no one else."

Soulless Patch.

Hehe, I did not know what the hell you were talking about when you first used that term. I had completely forgotten those 8 hairs which are now, thankfully, absent.

Thierry Nguyen

10-30-2002, 10:23 AM

Update, Tom Price just pointed out that there is a connection between MaybeTerrorist fiancee and Wifebeater. Wifebeater is the fiancee's ex-boyfriend, who himself has a blonde fetish. I mistakenly thought he was a lost brother or something stupid like that.

It's like the Jack Bauer Power Hour never ended here over at CGW!

Jeff Green

10-30-2002, 10:30 AM

Tyjenks

10-30-2002, 10:55 AM

I agree--too many lookalike blondes last nite. I miss the short-haired brunette babes, dammit! But, yeah, the daughter is HAWT.

I'd give last nite's episode a B-, at best. Some super cheesy writing, and I really really did not like the daughter subplot, despite getting to see her in her underwear. Must she be in physical danger, already, in the first freakin' hour? I already felt tedium setting in with that.

How many times did she get kidnapped within a 24 hour period last year? PLease do not tell me she is going to be running this entire season.

Another underwear vote. After my BMX XXX thread and Girl's Club thread I did not want to mention the undwear, too. My fixation on young women has to cease before my daughter gets old enough to know daddy is a pervert. Is there a 12-step program for guys who simply like to gawk at women on TV and at the mall?

The Sopranos seemed to start out fairly slowly this season, as well. This last week i thought it really started picking up.

Jeff Green

10-30-2002, 11:04 AM

The Sopranos seemed to start out fairly slowly this season, as well. This last week i thought it really started picking up.

This should probably be another thread entirely, but based on what I keep reading everywhere, I seem to be in a minority about this season: I think the show's just as strong as it's ever been. I love the slow burn going on with all the various plots, I love the way the tension is building--and I really like the way they keep throwing you for a loop by taking some of the more "comic" characters--Johnny Sack, Bobby Bacala--and giving them real, almost heartbreaking moments. I don't get the current backlash. I still think it's the best-written show on TV.

okay, back to the Jack Bauer Power Hour.

Tyjenks

10-30-2002, 11:13 AM

This should probably be another thread entirely, but based on what I keep reading everywhere, I seem to be in a minority about this season: I think the show's just as strong as it's ever been. I love the slow burn going on with all the various plots, I love the way the tension is building--and I really like the way they keep throwing you for a loop by taking some of the more "comic" characters--Johnny Sack, Bobby Bacala--and giving them real, almost heartbreaking moments. I don't get the current backlash. I still think it's the best-written show on TV.

okay, back to the Jack Bauer Power Hour.

I don't disagree. I guess I feel cheated about the 16 month hiatus and realize we only get, what, 16 episodes in an HBO season. I want as much bang for my buck as I can get.

Best shot in any series this year was Tony standing in the rainy doorway when he was checking on his race horse.

Oh and, uh, 24 kicks ass and has anyone said how smokin' hot the daughter is yet?

graller

10-30-2002, 12:58 PM

Ty you did see Tony horse whipping a grown man last night because he was stupping Tony's Ex? Thats the sort of scene that differentiates HBO and the Sopranos from the crap on most TV. I also loved Tony telling his son how Italians made this neighborhood and the church with such pride while he was in the middle of a scam to tear it down even more.

And yeah the chick who plays Bauer's daughter is wicked hot and I did not even see the underwear scene.

Tyjenks

10-30-2002, 01:17 PM

It was her first scene I believe with the little girl and the Dad walks in the room. I had to do a doublt take. Long T-shirt, but you could see her unmentionables peeking out.

Anonymous

10-30-2002, 01:22 PM

I found this quote on another message board that just about sums things up perfectly...

"I pity anyone who pisses off Kiefer this season, no matter how evil they are. A hacksaw? He just doesn't give a fuck anymore."

Blood is gonna flow this season.

balut

10-30-2002, 01:32 PM

Oh, and even though it's mentioned several times already, the daughter (Elisha Cuthbert) is really really damn hot. As hot as 10 really hot women. On the sun.

Oh, and for "I Am Jack Bauer", she's 19, so don't feel _that_ bad for thinking those thoughts in that opening scene when she's washing up in the bathroom.

Anonymous

10-31-2002, 11:06 PM

a hilarious part for oregon residents was the screen note identifying the president's location as "Lake Oswego, Oregon." Lake Oswego is a heavily populated suburb of the biggest city in Oregon, and the lake is mega-developed. They would have been surrounded by traffic, houses, and thousands of gawkers if the President of the USA had decided to go fishing on the real Lake Oswego. Plus they wouldn't have caught shit!

quibble quibble quibble

Brad Grenz

11-01-2002, 12:27 AM

Looked totally fake too. It's not like there aren't a million real, secluded and beautiful lakes in the state. Weird choice.

Ergo

11-04-2002, 03:22 PM

The Lake Oswego bit WAS hilarious, since I live less than five miles from the lake. I was watching the show with a friend and we both burst out laughing when we saw the sign.

Thierry Nguyen

11-05-2002, 10:50 PM

More musings from tonite's Bauer Power Hour:

1) Nina reference! Kindasorta!
2) Kim is still dumb-as-fuck, but...
3) Kim apparently has Jack's "ass-kicking" genes.
4) Stupid annoying YT from The Rock is stupid annoying YT again.
5) A spoiler rumor from six months ago is looking a lot more plausible now.
6) "Well, he shouldn't be playing with adults."

Anonymous

11-05-2002, 11:46 PM

Damn, last week Jack hacksaws a guys head off (right after shooting the bastard in the heart), and this week he almost tears off that other guy's leg without any exertion at all. One word compadres: COLD.

Daughter subplot is still contrived as hell. Anyone else thinking that she should take the Canyonero she's driving and just bulldoze CreepDaddy's convertible out of the way? Come on Girlfriend! Show some adaptability!

I'm thinking it's an H bomb. The gas shown leaking in the promo makes me think it's tritium, which is used for an H bomb. Cause a regular ol' A Bomb doesn't really need gas. Just a core of highly explosive plutonioum and a trigger.

Menzo

11-06-2002, 07:25 AM

The daughter subplot is really throwing me off. Why didn't she just run up to one of those burly construction workers and scream bloody murder? Why did she drive into the deserted ally instead of going straight for the most populated area available?

And after you've been kidnapped several times in the last year, why, oh why, would you leave the fricken girl behind? It just doesn't make any sense. Pick her up and run, dammit.

When shows force people to make the dumbest decisions just to advance the plot it really annoys me.

Alan Dunkin

11-06-2002, 08:30 AM

If only the daughter ran around in her undies for the entire length of the season, I'd be happy.

--- Alan

hido

11-06-2002, 09:11 AM

Undies would be nice, but as long as she keeps running in the tight shirt I'll be happy.

Thierry Nguyen

11-06-2002, 09:38 AM

balut

11-06-2002, 03:57 PM

Kim is a big bad of stupid, made slightly less stupid by having a 7-year old with a head injury as a sidekick.

But her hotness and inheritance of BAUER KILL GENES kinda makes up for the stupidity. For me, at least.

Hotness AND Bauer Kill Genes (BKGs). Throw in slow-motion sequences of her running through sprinklers and the show would be perfect.

Jason Cross

11-12-2002, 08:06 PM

Ingoring my duplicate topic on the show...

More 24 goodness tonight. They didn't foil the attempt to blow up CTU, which I really appreciate. Bonus points for good "sweaty Kim runs toward the camera" scenes. The "So I married a terrorist" subplot is going nowhere fast. Not enough of Palmer laying the smack down on people who try to slip one by him, but I think it's coming and in a big way.

And the CTU boss who's gonna die! Man, this season has some serious "holy shit" in it. Great stuff. I look forward to him being a total reckless bastard now that he knows he's going to die anyway. But I can see it now: he's going to give his life to save a bunch of people in a "you get out of here while I keep my finger on the detonator" kind of situation.

Is it just me, or does each show end and it feels like you've been watching for only 20 minutes?

Anonymous

11-12-2002, 09:53 PM

Totally agree. Seem like there are a lot of commercials that cut up the action.

George being terminal... boy, doesn't that just scream "GUY WHO IS GOING TO SACRIFICE HIMSELF BY THE END OF THE SEASON GUYS HE'S ALREADY DEAD MAN WALKING"

Daughter sublpot and I Married a Terrorist sublplot... ugh. The former is still totally contrived, while the latter needs to develop something very soon. Though I don't mind the hotness of I Played An Alien in The Faculty girl.

Menzo

11-13-2002, 07:05 AM

What do you mean you can't go to the police?! You've got a wife with a black eye, a kid who was knocked unconscious, and you think the police are going to arrest you for kidnapping? I really hate it that the writers are forcing me to believe that Kim Bauer is just really, really stupid.

But she is damn fine. Somehow that makes it all better.

Thierry Nguyen

11-13-2002, 09:44 AM

The Marshall Mathers Movie made me miss the first ten minutes or so. I started watching when Jack was riding around in a van with CTU-hating YTs.

PoorMan'sCateBlanchett is starting to bug me a lot also.

I was relieved to see that Kim could take a bus safely. I thought maybe the Drazens had a thrice-removed cousin in a trademark DRAZENVAN ready to snag her.

I wonder if Mason is gonna morph from a chickenshit to a MAN WITH NO FEAR.

I'm waiting for some judicious applicationg of Presidential Backhand.

And Kiefer doesn't spare himself when it comes time to deliver pain in the name of country and badassness.

Anonymous

11-13-2002, 11:25 AM

What I noticed last night is that Jack Bauer is practically a guest star in his own show this year.

I think he was on screen last night less than Sara Gilbert.

Lose the fucking marriage subplot, or make it relevant pretty damn fast, people!

Anonymous

11-13-2002, 11:27 AM

Did you fuckers know that Xander Berkeley (whose character got plutonium gassed last night) is fucking the woman who played Nina last year?

FUCK YEAH!

But now they'll both be off the show.

BOO!

balut

11-13-2002, 04:28 PM

Well, I'm just waiting for hot, sweaty, soot-stained Kim Bauer to have to tear strips of her shirt off to use as makeshift tourniquets for the injured at CTU.

Brad Grenz

11-13-2002, 10:22 PM

Lunch of Kong

11-13-2002, 11:44 PM

If anyone misses an episode, let me know. I'm traficking in .mpgs of the show. I'll hook you up.

graller

11-14-2002, 07:07 AM

Sign me up Roger...I rarely am home on Tuesdays - work and all that.

Tyjenks

11-14-2002, 07:27 AM

Well, I'm just waiting for hot, sweaty, soot-stained Kim Bauer to have to tear strips of her shirt off to use as makeshift tourniquets for the injured at CTU.

Haha! That's what I was thinking! That top should be getting pretty tattered this year...

We also need to start a Maxim, FHM, etc. watch. Unless she has already appeared there and I have missed it. OTOH, maybe she is against that sort of thing and will not do that type of shoot. If that is the case, it makes her that much hotter.

Thierry Nguyen

11-14-2002, 08:46 AM

balut

11-14-2002, 08:54 AM

Likewise with Maxim awhile back.

Tyjenks

11-14-2002, 09:02 AM

Well, hell's bells. Thanks tho.

balut

11-19-2002, 09:10 PM

Quick take on the latest (11/19/02) episode:

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- Jack Bauer, Professional Badass. Takes down all 3 CTU bombers with nary a scratch. IIRC, he shot Eddie at least 2-3 times in the head while Eddie was driving at him, AND shot him a couple times in the back of the head for good measure. Too bad he didn't get the chance to do the same for Joe Wald.

- Kim Bauer, Complete Moron. Seriously, I think she gets dumber every episode. By mid-season blow-up dolls will have a higher IQ. Still hot, though.

- President Palmer, Presidential Badass. That felt SO good to see him deal with that assface, Rayburn (the NSA guy).

- The return of Nina??? Now it feels like the writers are bringing her back just for the sake of bringing her back. Sure, it explains the CTU security knowledge Joe Wald's crew knew about, but bringing her back just seems kind of hokey.

- Oh, anyone else besides me think the bride's father is the one with the terrorist link, and NOT Raisa? I definitely got that "bad guy" vibe from the father when he was speaking to the elder daughter.

Overall, a good episode with action and lots of food for speculation. The Kim Bauer subplot gets more annoying every episode, but it will be worth it if at some point in the season Jack Bauer just breaks that abusive father.

Menzo

11-19-2002, 09:16 PM

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- Oh, anyone else besides me think the bride's father is the one with the terrorist link, and NOT Raisa? I definitely got that "bad guy" vibe from the father when he was speaking to the elder daughter.

Overall, a good episode with action and lots of food for speculation. The Kim Bauer subplot gets more annoying every episode, but it will be worth it if at some point in the season Jack Bauer just breaks that abusive father.

I agree about the bride's father - he had a real sinister feel to him. Perhaps he and maybe-terrorist are in it together? Did we ever find out how maybe-terrorist met alien-chick-from-The-Faculty?

And wife-beater father is due for a serious ass kicking. There's no way he gets through this series without some major retribution coming his way. He'll get his, at least he better, because it's the only thing keeping me interested in that sub-plot (besides Kim's hotness).

Linoleum

11-19-2002, 09:47 PM

Professional badass indeed. Don't take a long distance potshot at Mr. Jack or he'll just run down the engagement range and get you. I love the shootouts in "24".

Thierry Nguyen

11-20-2002, 12:34 AM

Quick take on the latest (11/19/02) episode:

- Jack Bauer, Professional Badass. Takes down all 3 CTU bombers with nary a scratch. IIRC, he shot Eddie at least 2-3 times in the head while Eddie was driving at him, AND shot him a couple times in the back of the head for good measure. Too bad he didn't get the chance to do the same for Joe Wald.

What do most action dorks do when a baddie is driving towards them? Probably bob and weave around in some hokey way behind conveniently-placed rocks and so forth. But Jack Bauer CALMLY KEEPS SHOOTING AND LEISURELY WALKS A FEW STEPS OUT OF THE WAY.

He doesn't even let GIANT ATTACK DOGS get in his way.

The Nina reference I thought I spotted two episodes ago was when MaybeTerrorist's passport indicated he was last spotted in Germany...where Nina was supposed to meet up with her bosses at the end of Day One.

Girlfriend commented that she thinks MaybeTerrorists and FatherOfTheBride are partners.

Met_K

11-20-2002, 01:38 AM

Is it just me, or does Jack Bauer have this sort of Terminator-esque "Don't fuck with me or you'll be dead in a very unpleasent and ultimately messy manner" aura about him? I mean, not everyone is -that- kind of badass, but he and Arnold sure are/were.

Tyjenks

11-20-2002, 07:21 AM

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I think the father was funneling money out of his own company and that's what prompted the other daughter was investigating.

All the touchy, feely stuff with Roseanne's daughter is annoying. Former Soul-Patch boy, "She deserves a chance to live." "I brought her in on this job. It's all she ever wanted to do." Yikes. Just stop it. That's horrible. She can give the encryption code, die, and that entire story line can die with her.

The shootouts are great. Quick and to the point. No shooting over garbage cans that are 8 feet away from each other a la 'Police Squad'. Kiefer, also great. The wait 'til the very end to open the door while Jack rants only to hand over the pictures and blow your head off was a little tired, but that I can live with. Darlene has to go.

Anonymous

11-20-2002, 09:38 AM

Dontcha just want to scream at the stupidity of the characters on this show? Like, 90-percent of their hostility toward one another would go away if they JUST TOLD THE TRUTH.

Kim, YOU ARE BEING ACCUSED OF CHILD ABUSE. Why are you getting so defensive about it? Just TELL THE FUCKING TRUTH. I am just the nanny. The big, mean father is the one responsible. I can prove it, cause I just started working for them a few days ago. But the entire way she just starred down that nurse made her look so guilty.

George, get Tony off your fucking back and just tell him the fucking truth. I GOT SHOT AT AND BREATHED IN PLUTONIUM FUMES INVESTIGATING THE BOMB AND NOW I HAVE ONE DAY TO LIVE.

Lynn, just tell the President THE FUCKING TRUTH up front, that way he doesn't have to pull the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF RANK SHIT and browbeat it out of you.

Jack is a total bad-ass because HE TELLS WALD THE FUCKING TRUTH UP FRONT. Look what happens. Wald opens the door and shoots himself, so Jack doesn't have to bother.

Jason Cross

11-21-2002, 11:36 PM

Did anyone honestly expect Nina not to return this season? I mean, that was the whole point of her escaping at the last minute last year, right?

Plus, you know, the whole "you killed my wife and unborn child" confrontation revenge thing ya got there. It would be great if Kim "I can't stand up for myself but boy and I hot" Bauer killed her in the final episode. While running toward the camera in slow motion with a torn shirt. That would rock.

Good to see some Extreme Badassness out of Jack and The Pres this week. 24 continues to be my favorite show on network TV.

balut

11-26-2002, 06:51 PM

Thoughts on 11/26 episode.

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Not a big "action" episode, but I guess there has to be some storyline/exposition eps inbetween the Jack-Bauer-kicks-ass eps.

Kim Bauer, still a moron. Does anyone honestly believe she wouldn't blab the nuclear bomb secret almost immediately? How much do you want to bet she gets caught by the father trying to sneak Megan out of the hospital? I say she not only gets caught, but arrested, forcing Jack to take a time-consuming detour to bust her out of jail because he'll be sure they can't stop the bomb from going off.

Raisa, the red herring. Seriously, the more they deal with him, the more I suspect he's an innocent caught in a bad situation, and that the Bride's Father is the real terrorist financier.

Jack Bauer, not much of a badass this ep but looks like he's back in form next ep. I'm really looking forward to see him just cap Nina after she tells him the information he needs, and to hell with any pardon.

The Blown-up Ambassadors. I really hope they don't make it some Big Twist that the terrorists are purposefully trying to provoke a war between the US and the unnamed terrorist nation. I also hope it isn't another sleazy presidential advisor with his own agenda trying to prevent the sharing of information with the terrorist nation. They already dealt with the NSA jerkoff, they better not have to deal with another one this soon.

Overall, kind of a "blah" episode. What's good about the show, though, is that whenever the pace slows down a bit, they tease you with next week's episode looking really good. And they usually deliver.

Ben Sones

11-26-2002, 07:02 PM

I thought it was a good episode, although every time Jack looks at Nina I keep expecting him to say "I'm going to need another hacksaw." And yeah, you have to wonder how many people Kim will blab the Big Secret to before all is said and done. It only took her approximately .7 seconds to ignore her father's warning and call her pal Miguel.

Menzo

11-26-2002, 07:05 PM

Agree about Raisa - it's dad who's doing this. It's just the "no we're not saying all Arabs are terrorists" kind of twist they'd throw in there.

If it weren't for that shirt I'd be going picture-in-picture during Kim's segments.

Anonymous

11-26-2002, 09:35 PM

Is it me, or does FatheroftheBride/Probably Terrorist bear a striking resemblance to John Walker Lindh's dad? I keep thinking that it's some kind of weird coincidence, but who knows...

I agree. JUST HOW IDIOTIC is Kim Bauer? First, blabbing to her boyfriend about the Nuke. (And that guy looks like he'll be blabbing it to everyone in about 15 minutes). But also, why is she scared of cops? It's not as if cops can't recognize a wife and child beater like that piece of scum. And Kim knows she can call in the Federal government to vouch for her.

The entire Kim subplot is just killing this season.

Anonymous

11-26-2002, 11:39 PM

"The entire Kim subplot is just killing this season."

I don't like it either, but they recognized they had a bankable babe magnet, who could appear on all the mens magazine covers and attract male viewers in the desired demographic.

Personally, I wish they had made Kim's character react to her mother's death by signing up with the Navy Seals or SWAT or something, so she'd have something more interesting to do than fuck up over and over again.

Anonymous

11-26-2002, 11:46 PM

here's a lame subplot idea: Kim and her boyfriend are being chased by the cops after kidnapping the kid, and they are about to get caught in a dead-end alley in a lousy neighborhood when they run into the druggie kidnapper love interest from last season, who rescues them and puts them up in his house. then we get three episodes of her current boyfriend distrusting the druggie and the druggie hating the new boyfriend... yawn, i sure hope they don't go there. that would bore the fuck out of me

Brad Grenz

11-27-2002, 12:15 AM

Yeah, they should have just gotten Kim out to the Aunt's house and had her skinny dip for the rest of the season. Maybe some terrorists could have stolen her clothes from where they were hanging on a tree or something. Then she could, you know, be running around naked trying to get her clothes back!

Watching all thebride/sister/oops I married a terrorist/but it's really my dad crap makes me want to puke too. I only keep tuning in cause I want to see the President disappear people, and Jack kick ass and take names.

balut

11-27-2002, 06:20 AM

Jason Cross

11-27-2002, 11:55 AM

Well the Kim and So I Married A Terrorist plot lines aren't so bad to me that they're like ruining the show or anything. Not as good as the Jack and CTU stuff, of course, but they're going somewhere.

I'd be real pissed about the idiot Kim plot if she didn't grow even nicer bobos since last season, and they make sure she's like nipping through her shirt a lot (like this whole episode). I can just ignore the stupid things she does and ogle for a bit before going back to action at CTU.

Prediction - Jack and Nina are forced to go into the field and work together for a few episodes. I would REALLY love him just to get the info and cap her, though.

Alternate prediction - Palmer never was going to pardon Nina. He just told Jack that because he knew Jack would then go force the info out of her.

Anonymous

11-27-2002, 12:33 PM

if he can pardon nina, he can pardon jack for slapping around a few guards, kidnapping nina, and torturing and executing her in the field.

Thierry Nguyen

11-27-2002, 02:23 PM

Dad is the financier, in order for Fox to say "NONONO, MIDDLE EASTERNERS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, IT WAS THE RICH WHITE GUY THE WHOLE TIME!"

This ep: slow burn. Just buildup for the outbreak of sheer craziness and rage that is inevitable next week. I don't think said rage is fatal, but with Jack Bauer, YOU NEVER KNOW.

Nice to see Soulless Patch being pretty h-core again. Black suit, gov't shades, bruises all over. Where is that black guy from?

Oh, and major "Hey, it's that guy!" vibes from the new NSA advisor.

Brad Grenz

11-27-2002, 09:51 PM

Yeah, he just died on Buffy!

hido

12-03-2002, 07:04 PM

Obviously, when you kiss Kim, you immediately inherit the "Bauer Kill Genes" as evidenced by Miguel's "Bruce Lee-like" ass-kicking of the family beater.

And everyone knows you never drink water offered to you by Jack Bauer.

Tyjenks

12-03-2002, 07:18 PM

Obviously, when you kiss Kim, you immediately inherit the "Bauer Kill Genes" as evidenced by Miguel's "Bruce Lee-like" ass-kicking of the family beater.

Did he or did he not wipe his mouth with the back of his hand, see the blood, and then give him that 'You have just made a grave error' look?

The president needs to give his ex a small dose of that treatment.

Ben Sones

12-03-2002, 07:32 PM

Yeah, seriously. I couldn't believe that she had the gall to come to the president and tell him that she believes that people close to him are trying to take control of his administration. Seems sort of like Hitler telling Poland "I'm fairly certain that someone is planning to invade your country."

And did her surprised reaction upon discovering the nuclear bomb threat seem a wee bit insincere to anyone else?

I almost thought that Kim was going to go an entire episode without doing anything stupid (according to my wife's "24 Drinking Game," Kim doing something stupid is a cue to take a drink). Then she stole Abusive Dad's Fancy-and-Almost-Certainly-Equipped-With-Lojack car. Bad Kim!

Menzo

12-03-2002, 09:31 PM

SPOILERS - BIG ONES!

What, exactly, was wife-beater's plan in taking dumb-little-girl to Mexico City (without his wife)? This plotline is just getting wierder and wierder.

Say, you don't suppose that wife-beater has become wife-killer? Wouldn't it just beat all if wifey's corpse was in the trunk of the car Kim stole?

And, I dunno, I don't think they would have brought back the pres's ex-wife unless she was involved in this whole mess in some unanticipated way. Perhaps she knew about the bomb and figured the safest place to be would be next door to the president.

Anonymous

12-03-2002, 09:39 PM

I said to some friends after the first episode that this will somehow turn into a "Seven Days into May" scenario somewhere, and I was right. Jeez, I just want to butt-whip a lot of those characters with a pistol. Only Jack is maintaining the high standards of bad-ass mutherfucker. Everyone else needs a whippin'.

Go, Jack! Go!

Tyjenks

12-04-2002, 07:42 AM

And a big ugh! goes to Tony and the whole "some good people died today so you better tell me the truth you murdering terrorist bastard" speech. L-A-M-E.

However, I am confused if it is the Dad or the groom. They may be pulling a double reverse on us or something. Is it the Arab, no it's definitely the dad, no maybe the Arab is playing dumb. It's definitely the Arab. Right? After last night, I have no idea.

It will probably turn out to be the sister.

Thierry Nguyen

12-04-2002, 09:02 AM

Man, it's only the sixth hour, and we're already given the overt hint that it's Papa Terrorbeard, not MaybeTerrorist? Aw crap, at this early in the game, that probably means Papa Terrorbeard is probably going to turn out to be superdoubleredherring, much like Nina being "cleared" last season.

Stoner Miggy spin-kicking Hiram Wifebeater was a bit too much for me. I'm all for glorious bouts of extreme violenc and ass-kicking, but really, the bandboyfriend is a little too much even for me.

Now I think even more that Raygun was a loyal NSA guy thinking about his country, and HeyIt'sThatGuy! and HomicideME-Aide are actually in cahoots with each other. That whole evacuation-order countermand thingy is an elaborate ruse to get Palmer to trust HeyIt'sThatGuy! more, and since HeyIt'sThatGuy! and HomicideME-Aide are already tight with each other, it paves the way for their double-cross later on.

Bauer is still badass. Nina hasn't learned a thing. She flinched when Bauer shot at her. Even in Day 1, Bauer doesn't flinch at being shot at(remember the limo?).

balut

12-04-2002, 04:03 PM

Dammit, my cable modem was down for 2 days or I would've written something earlier.

I dunno about you, but I'd spin kick some asstard all day for some Kim Bauer tongue-wrestling. Implausible as it was, watching Abusive Dad get his ass handed to him was really quite enjoyable. Oh, but doesn't Abusive Dad have OnStar or LoJack or something that can track his vehicles, like when Kim took the daughter out in the SUV and Abusive Dad tracked them down? A stupid move, Kim, but par for the course.

Jack Bauer does not turn off his Bad-Ass Aura. Ever.

Just watch, four episodes from now, the terrorists will be neither Sinister Father nor Red Herring Raisa, but instead Raisa's cousin - the guy he introduced to the sisters. And I bet the Evil Cousin will have an evil Terrorist Nickname, like "The Sand Spider". Or something like that.

A good episode, because Jack Bauer continues to kick much ass, and Abusive Dad got kicked in the face.

Ben Sones

12-04-2002, 04:21 PM

Say, you don't suppose that wife-beater has become wife-killer? Wouldn't it just beat all if wifey's corpse was in the trunk of the car Kim stole?

Interesting theory... but didn't Kim talk to the mother on the phone from the hospital (not this episode, I know, but not that long ago, timeline-wise)? Had the father arrived at the hospital already? I don't remember.

Jason Cross

12-05-2002, 12:27 AM

The body wouldn't be in wife-beater dad's trunk if he was trying to FLY down to Mexico City, methinks.

I think Raisa knows more than he's saying. Here's the sticking point for me: he said he just approved those financial transactions because, "I didn't want him to get in any trouble." (talking about his soon-to-be father in law)

Now if he was actually innocent and didn't know the guy was funding a terrorist, then why would he even think he'd get in trouble? A truly innocent Raisa would have said, "yeah, I approved transactions to this guy, it's my father-in-law's money. Holy shit, that guy's a terrorist?!"

Gotta love Jack, though. Drugging his fellow agent to get at Nina alone, Hell Yeah! I'm glad they brought back Palmer's wife already, too. She's always good for second-guessing yourself over when someone's being helped and when they're being set up to take a fall.

Menzo

12-08-2002, 09:07 PM

Just saw the teaser bump for Tuesday's 24. Mark my words - wifey is in the trunk of that Lexus Kim is driving.

Jason Cross

12-09-2002, 11:10 AM

Yeah, it sure looks that way. Even though it doesn't make a lot of sense what with the phone call Kim made at the hospital and the dad's desire to fly out of the country (leaving a body in his trunk in Airport Parking I presume, which isn't a great cover-up job).

Lunch of Kong

12-10-2002, 06:21 PM

You guys all have a crush on Elizabeth Cuthbert while it's really Michelle Forbes (Lynne) who is the most desirable woman on that show. Look at those cheekbones.

balut

12-10-2002, 06:24 PM

Bah. One, it's Elisha Cuthbert. Two, have you even seen Kim Bauer run around on the show??

Lunch of Kong

12-10-2002, 06:34 PM

Bah. One, it's Elisha Cuthbert. Two, have you even seen Kim Bauer run around on the show??

Yeah. She runs like a girl.

Lunch of Kong

12-10-2002, 06:35 PM

wifey is in the trunk of that Lexus Kim is driving.

I'm not listening to any more ESP plot spoilers from you guys!

balut

12-10-2002, 07:00 PM

SPOILERS

SPOILERS

SPOILERS

SPOILERS

SPOILERS

SPOILERS

SPOILERS

Bah, that dead wife in trunk thing was almost too obvious from the previews.

How goddamn stupid is this Kim Bauer subplot going to get? Who the hell is responsible for jamming a psychotic-father-psychological-suspense-thriller-movie into a show about Jack Bauer kicking ass and taking names?? It's like a Lifetime-network-made-for-tv-movie-gone-horribly-wrong hostilely taking over a cops-versus-terrorists action series. Oh wait, that's exactly what it is. If the show didn't take place over a 24-hour time period, I'd expect Kim to eventually steal Megan away and start a new life on the other side of the country, only to have Abusive Dad show up and start stalking them and messing with their minds a few years later. And then Kim can take self-defense classes from Jennifer Lopez and fight back against Abusive Dad to regain control of her life in the end. Oh, and Meredith Baxter-Birney would have to have a cameo somewhere. Fuck. Jack Bauer should fucking break the ankle of the writer responsible for this subplot. Fucker.

If scenes of Jack Bauer physically struggling not to pop a cap into Nina's head weren't so good, I'd have written this season off purely on the Kim Bauer subplot. But damn. The special forces raid was good stuff, and the aforementioned Jack-Nina showdown was one of the highlights of this episode.

Oh, but WTF is up with Jack's fellow feds in the preview for next week? Is this going to turn into a Jack-versus-the-terrorists-versus-the-feds complete rogue agent thing? Didn't he do exactly that last season?

President Palmer is getting completely snowed by his ex-wife. C'mon, Prez, you're smarter than this. Hopefully he'll trump all the schemers around him in the end.

Overall, a C for this episode. I liked the "capture of Mahmoud" sequence and all the Jack Bauer scenes; I hated the Kim Bauer subplot; I'm lukewarm on the whole "scheming Presidential advisors" subplot; and I'm interested in just what the hell is going on with Evil Tycoon Father and Reza the Could-be Terrorist.

Tyjenks

12-10-2002, 07:25 PM

Balut, you forgot one thing and I am not going to even bother with a SPOLERT ALERT because it was so terriblt bad:

The stupid, "Son, I must see you", delay as long as possible actually giving any explanation, and, finally, "I'm dying". Everyone sobs.

Oh and Roger, I hate to tell you this, but about Michelle Forbes............................................ ................(wait for it, wait for it)............................................... ......................you are Wong. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Whew! That was a good one. I bet you've never heard that before. I have been waiting to drop that one on you for a week now. :lol: :lol: OK, I am over it now and I am sorry.

balut

12-10-2002, 07:38 PM

I didn't mention the whole father-son "I'm dying" moment of touching reconnection after implied estrangement because I just didn't give a damn about that plot thread. Who gives a rat's ass about his hot-dog-slinging-son's teary forced reunion?

UNLESS, the SON is part of the terrorist plot!!! AWWWWW, that would be the shiznit, yo!! For real, kid. :P

Tyjenks

12-10-2002, 07:48 PM

balut

12-10-2002, 07:54 PM

Yes, but each additional lame-ass plot thread brings down the show just a tiny bit more. Luckily Kim's hottness and Jack's bad-assedness more than makes up for it, but if something was to happen to one of them.......It could be the last couple seasons of The X-Files all over again.

No comment on my hilarious name send up of Roger Wong. That was comedy at its finest.

I didn't comment on your Roger Wong joke because I was still on the floor laughing so hard and trying to catch my breath. Seriously. I mean, Roger...being..."Wong"?? Check and mate, my friend. Indeed.

Lunch of Kong

12-10-2002, 09:23 PM

Oh and Roger, I hate to tell you this, but about Michelle Forbes

Lol. In 9th grade, I wrote a word processor for my C-64. I called it "WongWrite".

Anonymous

12-10-2002, 09:32 PM

Damnit. What kind of idiot SPEEDS in a car he's stolen. They should just nuke Kim and her idiot BF. Let's deal with the important shit on this show, like terrorists and nuclear bombs. Not this hideous Lifetime Movie of the Week subplot, which is exactly what it is.

Menzo

12-10-2002, 09:44 PM

I'm having a really hard time motivating myself to continue watching through the stupid Kim Bauer plot. Really, it's just ludicrous and it's not getting any better. Why oh why won't she just tell SOMEONE the truth? It's insane that the writers of this show expect us to believe that a woman would really think that cops wouldn't believe her if she told them that this guy was beating his family. Ugh.

The other thing that's really, really bothering me is the sense of slackitude I'm getting from the President. He's got a nuke that could go off at any moment and he's worried about some plot to make him look bad? What the hell is that about? And why are there only like a dozen people near him? You better believe he'd be in some bunker sitting in a war room with 30 people and tons of technology until this was taken care of. He just doesn't seem to be in that much of a hurry.

Honestly, I'd be a little more satisfied if they flashed to the other government agencies and the work that they were doing during this. Show me dozens of helicopters flying around LA looking for radiation. Show me swarms of FBI raids on suspected terrorist cells. Give me some sense that the President isn't going to sit there with one hand tied behind his back hoping beyond hope that Jack Bauer (though he is riteously bad-ass) is going to save the day.

In the end this is all about the characters and the stories - we know that the nuke is not going to go off, FOX is not that bold. The problem I'm having is a lack of interest in most of the plots. I'm really hoping it gets better.

Anonymous

12-11-2002, 12:23 AM

The first half hour of tonight's show, Kim wasn't in it at all. I don't recall Terrorist Marriage subplot either. Just the Bauer/Nina and President/Plotters threads.

GOD THAT WAS SUCH A NICE FEELING. It was like a new show. Finally some plot progress, rather than Bauer just glowering. Every time the Kim plot comes in and the Terrorist Wedding subplots come in, it just gets in the way about what we really care about, and everything grinds to a yawn.

Jesus, why can't they figure this out?

Jason Cross

12-13-2002, 01:15 PM

God, I don't think the other stuff is THAT bad. Man. I mean, it only looks bad compared to Jack and his unholy kickassed-nes. Where's my Jack Bauer 24 video game?

The Kim subplot only really bothers me in the sense that she only has to tell the cops the truth. All the evidence in the world is in her favor. It's obvious to me now that wife-killer-husband is in on the nuke thing somehow. He's connected to it. That's why he was running to Mexico City. His wife found out too much and smacking her around wasn't going to cut it, she had to die.

I'm waiting for the show where the connect wife-killer-dad and Raisa/Bob and the nuke together, so I can start caring about those subplots. I can see what the show was trying to do, having these two threads that start way off to the side of Jack's main plot and inch closer toward a big giant O.K. Corral showdown of epic proportions. But until those threads inch closer, they're just not cool enough.

The Pres stuff is okay, but needs to get more involved in a hurry. The whole "inaction because we want to keep it contained and not let word get out and start a panic" thing is only going so far. It's 3pm now and the bomb is supposed to go off today...when exactly do they say "we've given CTU, the FBI, and the CIA enough time, it's time to evacuate the city"? Is it going to be like 8pm and they're still hunting the bomb that's supposed to go off today?

I'm starting to think the Palmer's wife is a good guy this time around, and his female assistant is pissed because she's in on the plot to overthrow him or blow up LA or something and she knows his wife is going to find her out. Mark my words, the assistant is one of the bad guys.

Anonymous

12-17-2002, 09:09 PM

Gaaaaaah.... another week, another episode to just scream at Kim for her stupidity.

And I sure hope the Prez is doing some kind of machiavellian-type manipulating, cause otherwise he's lost about 100 IQ points in the past 3 hours when it comes to dealing with his wife.

Halfway through the ep, but not enough Jack so far.

And the NervousTerrorist just had a conscience attack at the worst time, but at least he took one bastard with him.

Thierry Nguyen

12-17-2002, 10:00 PM

Goddamnit Kim, shut the hell up and sit in jail for a little bit, while Jack is busy trying to SAVE AMERIKA!!!!!1111

What was up with yet another DRAZEN KIDNAP VAN, did they have a special on those or something?

Jason Cross

12-18-2002, 01:16 AM

This episode was a step up. Kim is still dumb and whiney (and totally hot). How did she get to have so little guts when her parents are both so tough?

The So I Married a Terrorist plot is finally going somewhere good. Bob and Reisa are at CTU getting beat up on and interrogated, and the CIA connection is fascinating. I can see the connection forming now: the CIA is secretely funding this terrorist bomb thing, and the CIA is being controlled by whoever it is in Palmer's office that's trying to oust him. Instant national tragedy, Palmer knew and didn't take the proper steps to stop it, bad president go down.

I'm sure it was the CIA that kidnapped blondie #3 and the private investigator, but who shot the plane? That was a surprise!

Menzo

12-18-2002, 07:16 AM

The plane thing is interesting (though totally unrealistic - short of hard-core SAMs, shoulder fired rockets don't have that sort of range, but anyway...) but in the end it's anticlimactic - you know that Jack ain't gonna die.

When the prez thanked his ex-wife for the help and intimated that she was to go, I thought that finally that little sub-plot had run its course and could be disposed of cleanly. But no, we're stuck with several more hours of her tripe.

Nina killing the terrorist was a nice bonus. She shouldn't mind going to jail - she's already got the skillz to pail the billz in the slammer.

Anonymous

12-18-2002, 07:20 AM

Grrr... I'm figuring it has to be a missile that hit the plain, but then that was some weak-assed missile. Air-2-air missiles, even a sidewinder, would have shredded the tail and both engines. They don't actually slam into a plane, but rather they have a proximity fuse that explodes when they're close, thus creating a cloud of shrapnel flying at several thousand miles per hour that shreds anything close by. And even if it did "fly up the tailpipe", the warhead carries high explosives, enough to take out the tail.

And that plane was at cruising altitude when hit, so it was too high up for a shoulder-launched missile. At that altitude, a business jet is literally a small speck in the sky... too far away for the missile's heat-seaking warhead to detect it, let alone track. Besides which, there have got to be a bunch of private jets flying over LA at any given time, so it's impossible to actually ID your target if you're sitting on the ground. Not to mention, the fact that whoever on the ground would have had to known about the sudden and unexpected change in flight plan, and somehow hauled his ass to between Vasilia and San Diego with absolutely no warning.

But yeah, the shoot down really does imply that this is a conspiracy by some members of Palmer's national security apparatus. That and CIA daddy.

Anonymous

12-18-2002, 11:52 PM

Who says it was a ground-based missile?

If the conspiracy goes up high enough it could have been one of those CIA-operated Predator unmanned missile-firing drones.

Jason Cross

12-19-2002, 12:56 PM

It could have been a sabotaged engine, hell, we don't know.

I'm guessing missile. The sound effect had a sort of approaching rush to it. I missile would have blow the crap out of a plane that size, at least taken off the tail, but maybe it was a near miss. Don't missiles detonate near their target if they miss?

Lunch of Kong

12-24-2002, 12:12 PM

Don't missiles detonate near their target if they miss?

It's the opposite, actually. All AA missiles have proximity fuses. Some missiles (AMRAAM, for example) have additional impact fuses as a backup to the proximity fuse.

Thierry Nguyen

12-30-2002, 01:43 PM

Anybody read the latest Spin? Kim Bauer waxes poetic about Nightfire, Splinter Cell, Metal Gear 2, and even NOLF2. Seriously.

wumpus

12-30-2002, 04:18 PM

I think Jason Cross just had an orgasm.

Brad Grenz

12-30-2002, 04:47 PM

You didn't?

Jason Becker

12-30-2002, 09:22 PM

Had a friend give me the season 1 DVD set of 24 that he recently bought, since he herd so many good things about it. I laughed when he said that he had watched it all in 3 days it was so good. Just had to keep going to see what would happen next. We'll I just finished watching 6 straight episodes myself. Best thing I've seen on from TV in years outside of Band of Brothers.

Damn thing is like TV crack. :twisted:

wumpus

12-31-2002, 01:05 AM

You've convinced me-- I think I'll pick up the DVD set today as well.

hido

01-07-2003, 06:39 PM

Spoilers...

"This isn't over yet"

Easily one of Jack's top five lines until...

"It felt pretty personal when you killed my wife"... from the previews for next week.

Great episode of a great show. Only problem was no hot and sweaty Kim. Other than that, top notch!

Ben Sones

01-07-2003, 06:55 PM

Best episode yet this season. Easily.

hido

01-07-2003, 07:03 PM

When the Army guys killed the injured CTU guy, my first thought was Half-Life. And I mean that in a good way. The adrenaline on tonight's show was that of a good action game with better writing.

Again, great show.

Menzo

01-07-2003, 09:35 PM

I don't get it - as soon as they have Ali, send in a sniper and take Nina out from 1000 meters. Simple and effective. Not like anyone there is gonna worry that the Pres broke his promise.

Though I'm starting to wonder if they're just gonna kill Jack off anyway - I mean how many bad days can one guy have? Hand the show off to someone else next year.

Oh, and there's obviously another twist in the Guess Who's the Terrorist plot. Any guesses? Could it really end up being jilted-wife? Wouldn't that be a shocker!

Kim subplot thankfully minor. Who else is getting tired of getting strung along?

Anonymous

01-07-2003, 09:41 PM

Hand the show off to someone else next year.

I don't think there's anyone else on that program who could support their own show of this type.

Bruce Willis has milked the "worst day of his life" thing for three Die Hard movies so far. They should be able to get at least one more season out of 24.

Anonymous

01-07-2003, 09:43 PM

I've got a feeling that little Ms. Innocent Daughter Getting Married isn't so innocent after all.

I figure she's Daddy's Little Girl true and true, and she's waiting to pull the dagger that she's hiding at an opportune moment. She's in on it.

Yeah... I totally see Palmer ordering the CTU boys to take Nina out. I can just imagine the dialogue...

"But you gave me your word you'd pardon me!"
"I'm a politician. We lie!"

Brad Grenz

01-08-2003, 02:00 AM

"But you gave me your word you'd pardon me!"
"I'm a politician. We lie!"

Yup, then a red circle appears in Nina's forehead followed a second later by the distant report of a rifle. Of course, I don't know why the CTU commandows didn't just blow Nina's legs out from under her as soon as they saw her.

But an improvement overall. No idiot Kimming, just sweeping the kid out of the equasion. No angsty sister crap, just some great torture and terrorizing. And a big-ol fire-fight!

Tyjenks

01-08-2003, 07:48 AM

Linoleum

01-08-2003, 08:23 AM

I couldn't identify that rifle he picked up from the flare-bait. That is one *bad-ass* rifle.

Anonymous

01-08-2003, 08:31 AM

It looked like a bulked-up M4 carbine, the special ops variant of the M16. It's shorter in length, which makes it more ideal for close-quarters combat.

Thierry Nguyen

01-08-2003, 08:52 AM

Machine tool torture, flare-gun fatality, and getting rid of the 7-year-old sidekick with a head injury. About goddamn time.

I'm wondering if the show is ballsy enough to let Kiefer go out with a bang at the end. Then again, this is Hollywood, so probably not. They'll probably come up with some other weird way to make a third shitty day for him.

Dean

01-08-2003, 11:22 AM

There's no way they're going to kill Jack off, at least not with this threat to his life.

We're at what? 6pm? We've got to go to 8am. If this gets Jack then it's got to happen next hour (no way can Nina sit there for more than an hour) and then we've got 13 hours left with no Bauer kickassedness. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

The flare gun fatality was the best so far. Reminded me of Blood. I think it was Blood. One of the first weapons you got was a flare gun, and when you killed an evil monk with it they would run around shouting, "It burns! It BURNS!" for a bit.

And what was the power tool they were using as a torture device? I couldn't decide if it was a disk sander or a bone saw.

Finally, here's my prediction-- they raid the house, and take down Ali, but the bomb isn't there. Then we're right back to "Where's the bomb?" with a new guy to interrogate.

And Kim's rocker boyfriend is in on it.

Okay, maybe not.

Anonymous

01-08-2003, 01:40 PM

What would REALLY suck is if they end up trapped in LA and Kim's boyfriend ends up becoming famous by performing a heartfelt rendition of John Lennon's "Imagine" at a tear-soaked public rally for the doomed people of LA. When the bomb doesn't go off, he becomes the biggest rock star in the world.

That would suck.

Oppressor

01-08-2003, 02:18 PM

One simple fact that makes this show great. People getting shot at not only pick up weapons off fallen comrades and enemies (which is rare enough in today's stupid dramas), but they pick up the extra ammo, too.

How many times have we watched some show where the unarmed protagonist runs right past an arsenal of guns and has to simply dodge bullets until they escape or get captured? Ahh, the key to this show, the use of common sense by Jack.

While I love the show, either Jack's playing a game with Nina (and he has more than enough of a deathwish to do so) or he conveniently forgot how many cartridges he handed to her at which point I'm yanked out of the show because he's smarter than that. I suspect Nina lives through the whole season, but this show's plot twists seem to be based on RPG-like saving throws so who knows?

Meanwhile, I think daddy's little girl isn't a terrorist, but rather she has something deeply compromsing she's hiding.

Finally, while we've now met the #2 bad guy, I don't think #1 has been introduced. Hopefully, since they know they have a whole season, it will turn out better than the nearly comical Drazens last year.

Ben Sones

01-08-2003, 02:27 PM

And what was the power tool they were using as a torture device? I couldn't decide if it was a disk sander or a bone saw.

It was a wire wheel, basically a ring with stiff metal bristles sticking out of it, typically used to strip paint off steel or masonry. Using on a person is sort of... overkill.

Thierry Nguyen

01-08-2003, 03:31 PM

Finally, here's my prediction-- they raid the house, and take down Ali, but the bomb isn't there. Then we're right back to "Where's the bomb?" with a new guy to interrogate.

Remember, the two drivers were both killed a while ago. I don't think the third guy knows where the heck they were dropping the bomb off.

Union Carbide

01-08-2003, 03:49 PM

While I love the show, either Jack's playing a game with Nina (and he has more than enough of a deathwish to do so) or he conveniently forgot how many cartridges he handed to her at which point I'm yanked out of the show because he's smarter than that.

I said the same thing. Fortunately I recorded the episode, so I rewound the tape and watched the scene again. What happens is:

1. Jack picks up M4 Commando + ammo belt
2. Hands belt to Nina
3. Nina pulls magazines out of belt and heads for high ground
4. Nina slips magazine into her pocket

Jack didn't count the mags, he never had them in open view to count.

I will argue with his decision to hand her the ammo belt in the first place, given the ingenuity she has displayed in improvising weapons already. I mean, the thing is designed so that you can pull the mags out quickly, and all he had to do was sling it over his shoulder and he was good to go.

Anonymous

01-08-2003, 04:15 PM

They missed a perfect chance for a hammy villain scene...

When Jack was performing mouth-to-mouth on Nina, she could have been faking unconsciousness and then started to kiss him to drive him nuts with rage. He pulls away and she says "remember when we used to do this, baby? Did your wife ever kiss you that well?"

That would have been great!

Then a Wookie could have jumped out of the forest and ate the top of her head.

Lunch of Kong

01-14-2003, 04:00 PM

Ooo! Oooo! The next episode is coming up, guys! Goddammit, move out of my way you slow-poke driver. I need to get home to watch 24!

Lunch of Kong

01-14-2003, 06:30 PM

I knew it. Women are just evil.

Hissss.

p.s.- Does anyone know why there is a 3-week hiatus until the next episode of 24?

Anonymous

01-14-2003, 09:24 PM

Man, when Soul Patch and CuteGirl confess their feelings for each other, I just cackled. How corny and contrived was that?

Anonymous

01-14-2003, 09:31 PM

Wow, Daddy's Little Girl is gonna get typecast as a villainess if she keeps this up.

Didn't UndercoverBrother wear a bullet proof vest? Come on, what kind of kick-ass CTU agent is he?

And you know that there are even bigger plot twists ahead if they're revealing how evil Sherry is only halfway through the season. No more doubt she's part of the Seven Days in May cabal.

Menzo

01-14-2003, 09:32 PM

I am on a roll. First the wife in the trunk, then fiance-is-a-terrorist.

Anonymous

01-14-2003, 09:51 PM

Myself, I'm really looking forward to Sherry's "Out out damned spot" monologue. That'll be cool.

Jason Cross

01-14-2003, 11:57 PM

tonight's episode -

Say what you will about 24, but they sure don't fuck around on that show! The plot thickened considerably, and there was precious little annoying Kim dreck (which was offset somewhat by another one of those "Kim runs at the camera" scenes we love so much). Reisa? BAM! Wonder if he was wearing a vest?

Anonymous

01-15-2003, 09:51 AM

If the CTU guy has no vest, then he ain't got one. But I think she might have missed his heart.

Dean

01-15-2003, 12:42 PM

The CTU guy is dead, dead, dead. He wasn't wearing a vest because he's part of the the Hacker CTU Division and they mistakenly believe that computer geeks don't know how to shoot guns.

Pres. Palmer is SO onto Lady Macbeth. When he was watching her operate he had this little smile that just said, "Oh, you are good, but I don't buy it for a minute." He's letting her dig her own grave and has been onto her from the very beginning. He knew she was the one infiltrating his gov't and colluding with MrEvilNSA, and invited her there to get her.

I was out getting a drink (or getting rid of one) during the Kim car accident, but I guess RockerBoyfriend is at least a parapalegic now?

Jack is going to find True Love with Kate, but only if she discovers her inner kickassedness in the mosque next week.

Ben Sones

01-15-2003, 01:10 PM

We need an episode of all Kim running, I think. At the very least, we needed about five more minutes of it in this episode to offset that incredibly stupid stunt that they pulled in the police truck.

Girlfriend terrorist, though--nice touch. Even if it means we have yet another evil woman on the show. This one is even worse than Nina, though, since she apparently had Ali nab her sister for that little torture session.

Anonymous

01-15-2003, 02:15 PM

Yeah, I thought the same thing when Jack and Kate were talking. Jack's found the future Mrs. Bauer and Kim's new stepmom!

So, what's the theory of Daddy's Little Girl. We learned something new this week that the Warners used to live in Saudi Arabia. So, maybe, she got romantically involved with Ali there, and she's his little pumpkin/female John Walker Lindh?

btw, wasn't there a female CTU agent standing guard outside? Did Daddy's Little Girl whack her with the silencer first? Or is she still there waiting for them to come out?

You'd have thought that UndercoverBrother would have been given some heavily-armed agents or policemen as well, seeing as how virtually every part of their investigation so far has been impeded by military death squads, surface-to-air missiles, and a bombing of CTU. Boy, George and Soul Patch really fucked up on that one.

Also, did anyone think that TortureGuy was a complete idiot? He was going to kill himself anyway with the cyanide. Just waste Kate, turn the gun on yourself, and leave no witnesses. I guess he panicked wrong.

Tyjenks

01-15-2003, 02:24 PM

We need an episode of all Kim running, I think. At the very least, we needed about five more minutes of it in this episode to offset that incredibly stupid stunt that they pulled in the police truck.

I want to be the one that sprays the sweat onto her chest for those running scenes. "Somebody mist me!!", she would exclaim. I step up and give her a quick spray as we gazed into each others eyes. Then she would say, "Have you ever been to Canada? During the hiatus I am going back home. Would you like to come?" I would say,"Would I ever, but what about my wife?" She says," She can come, too." with a sly wink as she turns and saunters off to finish the scene.

Lunch of Kong

01-15-2003, 03:46 PM

I step up and give her a quick spray as we gazed into each others eyes.

Tyjenks, I've heard about these clubs where young, thin, soft-skinned ladies rub up against men so that the men can pretend for a few minutes that they have something special going on with the ladies.

I think you need to take a pal with you and report on this phenomenon for me.

Tyjenks

02-04-2003, 06:38 PM

Please don't tell me that's a mountain lion and Kim is stuck in a trap....in the woods. What crap!!! Maybe if I have my wife smack me in the temple with a hammer I will forget that scene occured.

Lunch of Kong

02-05-2003, 04:40 PM

I hope it eats her. Cat People style. Go McDowell, go!

Anonymous

02-05-2003, 05:53 PM

I think she'll be rescued from the lion by a gang of teenage goths who then try to offer her as a virgin sacrifice to Satan. Mason rushes in and saves her as the dagger is about to plow into her cleavage, then saintly dies, posed as if on a crucifix, of complications from radiation poisoning. Kim then wanders barefoot into a mall and gets kidnapped while ordering an Orange Julius.

Brad Grenz

02-06-2003, 08:48 PM

Dude! Use spoiler warnings!

Thierry Nguyen

02-12-2003, 08:00 AM

I thought the same show that killed a pregnant mother last season would have been ballsy enough to kill a kid last night. What I thought might have happened is, to keep Jack in the moral right, that the order to "stand down" or something is belated, and the kid gets killed, regardless of Jack's efforts.

But that theory went out the window the moment I noticed the kid was knocked down first and then "shot". No contact-wound equals total fakery.

Tyjenks

02-12-2003, 08:17 AM

They did kinda puss out on that one, but shooting a kid at point blank range may have been over the line. I would not have cared, but the average viewer may have had a problem. Who knows?

Jack did dig down the guy's throat and then break the shit out of his face.

I am just sooooo glad Kim was saved. That storyline is simply riveting. :wink:

Menzo

02-12-2003, 09:13 AM

They did puss out on the kid killing.

By the way, terrorist-wife-to-be is MUCH hotter as a brunette.

Tyjenks

02-12-2003, 09:52 AM

They did puss out on the kid killing.

By the way, terrorist-wife-to-be is MUCH hotter as a brunette.

Yep! She would be much hotter as a de-clothed brunette, however. There's something about her mouth and the way her lips move when she speaks that draws me towards the screen. Luckily, I have caught myself before actually pressing my lips against the TV.

P.S. What's up with Lord of the Realms III, Adam? Do I still have to wait 'til summer for even the teeniest bit of info?

Dean

02-12-2003, 10:06 PM

Now that Kim's been saved by the kindly woodsman, she can change clothes. Or at least shower.

No slo-mo, because that would mess up the time thing, but a man can dream.

Also, lost in the woods, kindly woodsman, does anyone else see dwarves in her future? Maybe a poison apple?

And why can the prez sit watching his NSA guy get electroshock, but pusses out over killing some third world kid? Okay, maybe he pusses out over the kid, but says "Kill the wife, leave the kids." After all, she was sleeping with the enemy.

Anyone else notice the "not all moslems are bad" imam? That's the "please don't picket over our portrayal of Arab-Americans" character.

wumpus

02-15-2003, 05:39 PM

Hooray! I can finally read this thread because I'm all caught up on 24-- thanks to Roger Wong!

Girlfriend terrorist, though--nice touch. Even if it means we have yet another evil woman on the show. This one is even worse than Nina, though, since she apparently had Ali nab her sister for that little torture session.
I actually thought this season would show some redemption for the female characters. I believed Sharon Palmer. I had no idea the bride would be the inside agent. I actually thought Kim would stop acting like a complete idiot. Naturally Nina's still a snake. Then I realized, oh yeah, I'm watching the show that hates women. It's still a great show, but dizamn. Someone has mommy issues!

In regards to Scooty's comments about shooting the kid: there is no way they could have that happen on network television. Still, I'm stunned at how far 24 actually does go. It's practically a cable show, right up there with The Shield in terms of on-screen violence.

Not that I'm complaining. Network TV had to do something to prevent cable from running over their ass. If shows like 24 and The Shield are the result, then all the better.. heck, I'm betting sometime in my lifetime, we'll hear the word "motherfucker" on >10pm network television.

Anonymous

02-16-2003, 01:59 AM

24 is becoming predictable.

I knew, as was mentioned earlier in this thread, that the kid was not dead because the chair was kicked over.

I knew that the meeting the president's aide was going to (where the fuck was that -- at some high school?) in the middle of the night was going to be a trap.

I know that she is going to be killed for refusing to buy Sherrie's explanation for her knowledge of Stanton.

I know there is going to be some scene where Jack brings the good sister into the interrigation room with the bad sister in order to knock sense into her/ get info out of her and/or shame her for her actions.

This is too much predictability... The first season kept me guessing.

Also, more complaints:

1) The pacing and demeanor of the characters do not emphasize the central conceit of the show which is supposed to be spine-tingling tension at a bomb that could go off any fucking second. Instead, we get slow-paced scenes of Palmer (whom apparently has nothing better to do) sitting in his office, calmly discussing his marriage with his ex-wife, with no background noise and sunlight streaming in. When she leaves, the Pres. sits there and contemplates to himself in silence in an empty office. What the heck happened to the idea that he is in a bunker/war room trying to solve a crisis that could strike at any second? It's like a scene out of another show. And we get a couple of scenes of the swimsuit models back at CTU discussing whether or not they should go out to dinner, and all sorts of other extraneous, non-tension-building stuff.

2) Silly scenes. The Kim shit just gets more and more absurd... in the first series, it tied in because Drazen wanted the whole family killed and used his wife and daughter as leverage. This season: no connection; she's just a clueless babe in the woods blundering from dangerous situation to dangerous situation without daddy to watch out for her. And this scene with the President's top aide taking time out of a top level security bunker in the middle of the biggest crisis to hit the country in decades in order to meet in a secluded location god knows where with someone secretly, and no one is supposed to notice what she's up to? And she is okay with doing this even though squads of secret troops have been blowing up government planes and helicopters left and right and she has no idea who is behind it?

AUUUGHHH! What happened to my friggin' show?

Anonymous

02-25-2003, 09:35 PM

Okay, I'm halfway through tonight's episode, and the most pressing question on my mind is whether the new girl at CTU had an affair with the cute girl at CTU. Cause, daaaaaamn, that's certainly the vibe I'm getting.

Meanwhile, spoiled DaddyLittle'sGirl can talk the talk, but she can't walk the walk. It's only a bullet wound, for pete's sake.

Brad Grenz

02-25-2003, 11:12 PM

I think the new chick sexually harrassed the one Alemeda wants to bang.

And wasn't it great the way the whacked out survivalist pervert had a heart of gold?

Anonymous

02-25-2003, 11:33 PM

SPOILER ALERT!

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Okay, it's not a real spoiler, but how much does anyone want to bet that they don't have time to deactivate the bomb, and get Mason to drive it over the border to Tijuana to detonate it there. Otherwise, I'm having a hard time seeing how he's going to be the Willis-in-Armageddon doomed hero his arc this season has predictably led us to expect him to become.

Lunch of Kong

02-26-2003, 03:27 AM

Double spoiler ALERT!
Especially for you, Shcoked Monkey, but really, you asked for it.
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SPOILER ALERT!

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In the preview of next week's episode, Jack tells Kim over the radio that he has to fly the bomb over the desert and blow it up where no one can get hurt (while he's strapped into the pilot's seat of said aircraft, already halfway to the desert).

Derek Smart [3000AD]

02-26-2003, 06:06 AM

24 is becoming predictable.

I tend to agree

I knew, as was mentioned earlier in this thread, that the kid was not dead because the chair was kicked over.

That one was obvious. Doh!

I knew that the meeting the president's aide was going to (where the fuck was that -- at some high school?) in the middle of the night was going to be a trap.

I thought she was going to get killed actually

I know that she is going to be killed for refusing to buy Sherrie's explanation for her knowledge of Stanton.

heh, wrong

I know there is going to be some scene where Jack brings the good sister into the interrigation room with the bad sister in order to knock sense into her/ get info out of her and/or shame her for her actions.

Yep. Last night

This is too much predictability... The first season kept me guessing.

I agree. And last week's business about a bomb decoy was just plain stupid

2) Silly scenes. The Kim shit just gets more and more absurd... in the first series, it tied in because Drazen wanted the whole family killed and used his wife and daughter as leverage. This season: no connection; she's just a clueless babe in the woods blundering from dangerous situation to dangerous situation without daddy to watch out for her.

I agree. I keep hoping that she gets less screen time. But no, they keep shoving her face, ass and legs into the camera. Bastards.

AUUUGHHH! What happened to my friggin' show?

Well, two more episodes and its all over. Can't wait to see how they come up with a third season. Now that would be ridiculous.

Anonymous

02-26-2003, 06:58 AM

Err.. two more epsiodes? We're on episode 13 of 24 by my reckoning. Of course, I'm not a self-proclaimed world famous programmer, so my math might be off.

Anonymous

02-26-2003, 09:04 AM

Yeah, Roger, but what we didn't see was that Mason was hanging on to the helicopter's landing gear the whole way, and that he shoots Bauer with a tranq gun (oh the irony) in order to get him to let him be the one to do the bomb disposal.

Irony Squared: Nina Myers will be driving a pink Cadillac towards the border with her presidential pardon when the bomb drops from the sky and lands in the passenger seat of her car. She does a "wha?" take, then BOOM!

Tyjenks

02-26-2003, 09:40 AM

I think the new chick sexually harrassed the one Alemeda wants to bang.

That's exactly what I thought. Knowing glances, sly winks, nervous looks at Alemeda. At the very least a bad break up. Maybe they will make up?

Derek Smart [3000AD]

02-26-2003, 09:43 AM

Err.. two more epsiodes? We're on episode 13 of 24 by my reckoning.

I was going by the clock. The last episode took place between 9pm-10pm. I was thinking that now they had the bomb, in two episodes (maybe) we'll see where it all leads. I'm only assuming that between 16-24, this 24hr stint is going to go downhill because I can't think of any other exciting thing that could possibly be engaging. Unless of course they kill Kim Bauer.

I mean, if the bomb goes off in episode 15 (it probably won't in 14 since thats probably the setup leading to the plan to do what the preview suggests), whats left thats worth watching? They seem to have got all the bad guys, except of course for the leader of the paramilitary group.

Of course, I'm not a self-proclaimed world famous programmer, so my math might be off.

No, but your post has the markings of a self-proclaimed world famous fool

Tyjenks

02-26-2003, 10:05 AM

Derek Smart [3000AD]

02-26-2003, 06:29 PM

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Of course, I'm not a self-proclaimed world famous programmer, so my math might be off.

No, but your post has the markings of a self-proclaimed world famous fool
I do not want to detract from the level of fame you have achieved, but I thought you considered yourself more of a National treasure with aspirations of becoming world famous.

*cough* *splutter*

LMAO!!! National treasure. Me? You can't be serious. If I was a national treasure, the nationals would be in quite a hurry to auction me off on eBay and ship me off to a third-world country that needs a national treasure. :D

Anonymous

02-26-2003, 06:42 PM

Think it over. You could be the most famous game designer in Paraguay!

Derek Smart [3000AD]

02-27-2003, 04:21 AM

Think it over. You could be the most famous game designer in Paraguay!

Nah man, I think they'd probably ship off to Nigeria or somewhere far, far away - with no chances of me coming back home. They'd be rid of then. :D

Anonymous

02-27-2003, 05:00 AM

Maybe in Nigeria you could search for the long lost Kevin Tribe.

Lunch of Kong

02-28-2003, 06:07 AM

Derek Smart [3000AD]

02-28-2003, 06:19 AM

]Nah man, I think they'd probably ship off to Nigeria

Greetings. This mail will surely come to you with great surprise since we never had any previous correspondence. First, let me introduce myself as Commander Derek Smart, retired from GalCom, May 28th 3000, upon the birth of the newly elected and inaugurated democratic Government of President Olusegun Obasanjo.

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ROTFLMAO!!!! Good one that, Roger. You forgot the part about me knowing where GALCOM has all its money buried but I just need someone in the US to help me retrieve it.

Anonymous

02-28-2003, 07:25 AM

]You forgot the part about me knowing where GALCOM has all its money buried but I just need someone in the US to help me retrieve it.

That could be the story arc for the next Battlecruiser game!

Dave Perkins

03-04-2003, 07:00 PM

Anyone else shaking after seeing the horizon glow? It's hard to suspend disbelief in this show.

hido

03-04-2003, 07:14 PM

I'm shaking because the damn show is on hiatus for three weeks. :(

Lunch of Kong

03-04-2003, 08:37 PM

I'm shaking 'cuz Kim Bauer made me cry.

Dave Perkins

03-04-2003, 08:38 PM

THREE???

Lunch of Kong

03-04-2003, 08:38 PM

Heh. Now he's shaking.

Tyjenks

03-12-2003, 10:03 AM

Last night...best episode evar.

Anonymous

03-12-2003, 10:58 AM

Who knew Kim could sing?

Ben Sones

03-12-2003, 11:42 AM

I'm just waiting for the 24 spinoff, "The Kim Bauer Shower Hour."

Anonymous

03-12-2003, 11:52 AM

Somehow she'd get lost in the shower and have half the police force in California out looking for her again.

Anonymous

03-12-2003, 06:45 PM

Anonymous

03-12-2003, 08:04 PM

You missed Palmer bitchslapping Sherrie to the ground in front of the whole war room, telling her to "step off."

Dean

03-12-2003, 09:33 PM

Anyone else catch what Kim Bauer's playing in the latest issue of CGM?

After the highfalutin' editorial about being for older gamers, they give us a quote that they stole from Spin (with proper attribution, of course) that lets us in on the deep dark secret that Elisha Cuthbert has problems playing videogames because she's got long nails.

But I guess if you go by this thread, Kim Bauer playing anything is exactly what us "old gamers" are interested in.

Tyjenks

03-13-2003, 07:07 AM

Was there a new episode last night (March 11) or was it a repeat? I thought it was pre-empted so they could do a two-hour America's Idol, which I refuse to watch, because it is "so-called" "reality" TV.

I'm gonna be awfully pissed if it was a new episode. I could have sworn after last week's episode (ending with the bomb exploding) they said that "in 3 weeks, on the next 24."

I see you walked into my little trap Mr. Horde. Or can I call you Woolen. No episode, just crazy board hijinx.

Dean, I thought that odd too. Steve goes on about catering to a more sophisticated PC gaming crowd and then hot chick extraordinaire Kim Bauer gets a blurb. I mentioned it over in the CGM feedback thread, but a rebuttal was suspiciously absent from Mr. Bauman. Sneaky bastard's just putting a little sex here and there. Nothing overt, but just enough to get a rise out of the readers. (So to speak.)

Jason Cross

03-14-2003, 01:09 PM

I'm just waiting for the 24 spinoff, "The Kim Bauer Shower Hour."

now THAT'S FUNNY! HAHAHA!!

Jason Cross

03-14-2003, 01:14 PM

Tyjenks

03-14-2003, 02:32 PM

Dean, I thought that odd too. Steve goes on about catering to a more sophisticated PC gaming crowd and then hot chick extraordinaire Kim Bauer gets a blurb. I mentioned it over in the CGM feedback thread, but a rebuttal was suspiciously absent from Mr. Bauman. Sneaky bastard's just putting a little sex here and there. Nothing overt, but just enough to get a rise out of the readers. (So to speak.)

First of all, I fail to see what was "sexy" about that. Just because all us loser horndogs here have the hots for her, doesn't mean that we got all T&A on you just by having something about her in the magazine. It was perfectly innocuous - even the picture!

And second, I should apologize. I guess we forgot we're only supposed to feature unpopular, unattractive Geek Celebrities in those Now Playing things if we're for mature people. Because mature gamers aren't interested in a star from 24. Sheesh!

Jason. I apologize for getting your ire up. :) It could have been a picture of the back of her heel with a scab on it and I would have thought it was hot. Her name = adulterous sex to me so I projected more meaning onto the photo than there actually was. Plus, the conspiracy theory of selectively placing little bits of sex in corners of the issue was total crap. I guess I had hoped that would have tipped folks off that I was just being a dumbass. :)

Still, I did not remember many TV and/or movie stars and their favorite games being mentioned often in past issues. The fact that one of the sweatiest, bounciest icons on prime time TV appeared in the same issue which changed, if only slightly, the direction of CGM was kind of funny.

Sorry if it was taken the wrong way or I gave the impression I was bashing the issue. CGM is the only gaming mag I have consistently subscribed to since and even before I was PC gaming, so it in no way affected my view of the magazine.

After all that sincerity, I have to add the following:

Jason, don't be such a defensive baby. I was just screwing around. You big puss.

There. Much better. :wink:

Jason Cross

03-15-2003, 08:44 PM

Jason. I apologize for getting your ire up. :) It could have been a picture of the back of her heel with a scab on it and I would have thought it was hot. Her name = adulterous sex to me so I projected more meaning onto the photo than there actually was.

Hey man, keep your perversions to yourself! ;)

Still, I did not remember many TV and/or movie stars and their favorite games being mentioned often in past issues.

Ben Affleck? The whole article we did on the hardcore gamer habits of Dale Earnheart Jr? And we'll have more. We like to reinforce the idea that "people are gamers too," as it were.

Anyway, I didn't really take any offense to your post. I just didn't understand it. It seemed to say that if we're going to be for grown-ups, we can't have quotes from any attractive stars about what their gaming habits are, which I just don't quite get. I mean, if we had pulled a PC Accelerator and added "hey baby, I have your Splinter Cell right here!" or some sort of booby joke, I would understand. Or if the photo was one where she's got cleavage hanging out, even.

I mean, I dig her as much as the next guy, but come ON... that bit couldn't have been LESS sexy. :D

Tyjenks

03-15-2003, 09:57 PM

I live in NASCAR land and the sport gives me the hives, sweats and runs so I had forcibly suppressed the memory of that one. I must admit he has quite a set-up going, but damn I hate that "sport".

Gotcha. HEy, in my eyes, short of doing the PCXL example you suggested, CGM can do no wrong. :)

Sparky

03-15-2003, 11:23 PM

we're only supposed to feature unpopular, unattractive Geek Celebrities in those Now Playing things
OOH! Pick me! ME ME ME ME (http://www.phobe.com/nowplaying.jpg)!

Lunch of Kong

03-25-2003, 06:16 PM

Argh! I hate fake physics. A nuclear mushroom cloud at night would not leave a shadow.

Tyjenks

04-02-2003, 04:37 AM

Just like a Mexican to go flying off the handle like that. **shakes head**

I like the new Arab version of Jack.

I was, of course, hoping that the two ladies at CTU were former lovers, but alas it was not to be.

Damn, Keifer is good!

Lunch of Kong

04-02-2003, 09:39 AM

I was, of course, hoping that the two ladies at CTU were former lovers, but alas it was not to be.

Well they are, transitively. A-->B and B-->C may as well be A-->C. :-)

Dean

04-02-2003, 12:28 PM

And the Mexican didn't even die. I smell political correctness seeping into our favorite hour of ass kicking.

Now that Kim's going back into custody, maybe we can look forward to a pre-prison delousing scene. Actually I wish they had put her into prison five episodes ago, then she could've been threatened by street-tough, hot lesbians instead of just mountain lions, survivalists, and mexicans.

Maybe they'll kill her off once Kate becomes Jack's new Reason To Live (tm).

Menzo

04-07-2003, 03:30 PM

I'm having a real problem with the current plotline.

SPOILERS!

Why is the president in such a rush to bomb those middle-eastern countries? Why can't he wait a couple days to find out if his evidence is real or not?

Since that's pretty much the linch-pin of the remaining 11 or so episodes, I'm finding it hard to get motivated to watch.

gnmarsh

04-08-2003, 01:08 AM

I find as lot of 24 unbelievable, but the decision that the president has to decide to bomb quickly is one that I think would happen. Americans would want to know that direct action is being taken. Think about it, if it came out that we were nuked, the president knew who did it, and didn't respond? Goodbye second term

Chris

04-08-2003, 08:41 AM

Well, he did believe he had ironclad evidence and the pressure to rush a retaliatory strike would have been great. Since he has bombers in the air it would get out that a strike was underway, calling them back would open up a can of worms they don't need to deal with. It could call into question any action taken on those countries after further investigation.

Still, I agree with the feel of the situations, they don't bear up under much scrutiny. That's why we have Elisha Cuthbert in t-shirts from time to time.....

Anonymous

04-08-2003, 06:51 PM

I always say good acting makes a bad script good. Can't say the same for the vice versa.

Another episode of Bauer kicking ass, joined now by his Middle Eastern counterpart.

Jason Cross

04-08-2003, 11:48 PM

graller

04-09-2003, 06:47 AM

But does he have a hot daughter?

Tyjenks

04-09-2003, 08:43 AM

I think they're setting us up for the Mid-Eastern Jack Bauer guy to be next season's 24 leading man. Which so far, I think I'm fine with. And let Keifer move on to do a cool Tom Clancy-style modern day action movie (as opposed to a Micheal Bay-style action movie).

Or even replace damn Ben Affleck...PLEASE!

Anonymous

04-09-2003, 10:30 AM

Tyjenks

04-09-2003, 10:42 AM

Dean

04-09-2003, 11:49 AM

I don't have such a problem with a quick strike, I have a problem with bombers crossing the Atlantic to bomb the middle east.

Uh... How about something from one of our bases in Europe? Or maybe cruise missiles from the Navy in the Med?

Or is the assumption that these bombers are carrying nukes and that we don't have any nukes except those carried by B-52's coming from the lower 48? Who figured that out?

Basically, they're redoing Fail Safe, but the world has changed since the 60's. They just like those little bomber icons on a big, light-up map.

But hey, maybe Kim will get back together with stumpy and we'll have an extremely kinky love scene, now that my hopes of prison lesbians have been dashed.

Anonymous

04-09-2003, 02:10 PM

In my eyes, any movie with Kiefer post 24 season 1 will be an AWESOME one.

Anyone see Phonebooth? His voicework was top notch.

I wish they would not have put his name in the trailers and left it as a mystery until he is revealed in the film, but with the popularity of 24, I assume it was to draw his fans in.

Have not seen it yet, but want to.

It gets *pretty* obvious once you hear his voice. Keifer's voice is so distinctive.

Or did you mean, not even play his audio clips in the trailers, so that you get full shock when you first hear him?

That was me before btw...

Ben Sones

04-09-2003, 02:27 PM

Uh... How about something from one of our bases in Europe? Or maybe cruise missiles from the Navy in the Med?

I assume they are stealth bombers. Until very recently, they have always been based in the States (they require rather elaborate hangars and maintainence facilities--a regular airstrip won't do).

Tyjenks

04-09-2003, 02:30 PM

The first audio clips in the trailer actually seemed of a different pitch then the one's at the end. As if, they had him attempt to disguise it a bit until we figure it out, then he goes back to full badass, evil Jack Bauer mode.

PS: Register dammit. :)

FlamingSheep

04-09-2003, 02:37 PM

PS: Register dammit. :)

If you're talking to me, I'm one step ahead of you ;)

*cue evil Keifer laugh from Phonebooth*

EDIT: Hmm... my Latin is rusty... is my designation right now "Brother, save and goodbye?"

My Latin teacher would kill me... since I'm still in high school, and I see him every so often :P

EDIT2: Oh yay, my designation changed again... how convenient... I'm not even going to take a stab at this one, since I only recognize one word in it.

Tyjenks

04-23-2003, 07:26 AM

Last night. No sweaty Kim. Great episode. I hope the two are not mutually exclusive. Damn previews give away too much!!!!

It was so good that, by the end, I had almost forgotten on the stupid, dtupid, "You aren't going to die on me dammit!!" line as he pounded on Jack's chest. Is there some petition we can sign to outlaw that line? At the very least, forbid it during attempted resuscitations.

And dammit, how many times must we suffer the "Give it one more time with the paddles" shit! Do all people who are dying in similair situations have to hope someone is around to cojole that one last try out of a doctor? I guess most doctor's give it a couple of attempts to shock the heart back to beating and then hang it up. "He's gone. Time of death.........what the hell, charge 'er up for one more go."

wumpus

04-23-2003, 09:47 AM

You know you're a badass when even death itself can't stop you. Go Jack!

Did you guys realize we are on our second hour of the show without hide nor hair nor boob of Kim? Can't say I miss her.

Dean

04-23-2003, 11:44 AM

Two whole hours without Kim, but I had a big moment last night during the previews. The VO said, "Find out the shocking truth of who's behind it all!" as they showed Kim shooting something.

I now know: Kim was behind the nuclear bomb from the start as a way to get Jack out of his post-season1 funk. She's an evil mastermind, and I bet she really speaks with a slavic accent.

Also, found this on GG:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64808-2003Apr20.html

It's nice to know that the love/hate we feel for Kim is shared by the world.

Sander

04-23-2003, 01:41 PM

Well we know that Keifer reupped for season 3 to the tune of 120K/per, so let's hope that makes the rest of the cast expendible.

Based on the plot turns we've seen so far... Terrorist schedules wedding at ground zero of their own terrorist attack... Longtime friend betrays president for off camera veep to further delay "crucial" bombing... Kim sacrifices boy friend's legs for little girl she no longer gives a crap about...

I would say based on what we've seen so far the president is actually behind it all because he's been posessed by Jack's dead wife.

FlamingSheep

04-23-2003, 01:47 PM

***SPOILERS AHOY!!***

I cry for Middle Eastern Jack Bauer.

Tyjenks

04-23-2003, 02:20 PM

***SPOILERS AHOY!!***
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I was hoping for some Butch and Sundance type action after that one shootout.

Dean

04-24-2003, 11:15 AM

It just goes to show that even our random rednecks are more powerful than their elite superspies.

Go America! We're number one! Woohoo!

Thierry Nguyen

05-01-2003, 09:29 AM

Kim is gonna kill Hiram Wifekiller.

Dave Perkins

05-02-2003, 08:22 PM

Terrorist schedules wedding at ground zero of their own terrorist attack...

Pretty sure she would have left in time, figuring that the bomb would take out all evidence behind her.

Dean

05-07-2003, 12:18 PM

Does no one call 911 anymore?!?

I'm trapped in a closet with a gun and a murderer. I get the gun, the cell phone, and call...

my dad's work so they can track him down and he can tell me what to do?

Arrrrrrrrgh!

And when the shooting stops he calls...

his potential new girlfriend to take her police escort and go pick up the daughter?????????

WTF?

Oh wait, it's the Kim subplot. I forgot, it's not supposed to make sense.

And now there should be some mad civil war fightin' at White House West-- good secret service vs. bad secret service.

...and badass Jack.

Ben Sones

05-07-2003, 03:43 PM

Oh wait, it's the Kim subplot. I forgot, it's not supposed to make sense.

Exactly. Might as well ask why Kim didn't hear No Daddy No put a cap in the cop's head right outside the front door of the house with his non-silenced pistol.

The whole episode was worth it to see Jack take a shot at Lady MacBeth, though. I almost felt sorry for the hacker guy, caught between those two...

Tyjenks

05-07-2003, 03:50 PM

There has to be one set of writers for Jack Bauer and then one elderly Three's Company/Hart 2 Hart writer for all of Kim's storyline. About 3 near death experience ago, any human male or female would have shuddered into a small mound of runny flesh toned slime.

Jack voluntarily inserts himself into his dangers she just has the luck of 666 broken mirrors.

graller

05-12-2003, 02:22 PM

I don't care at all about whether it was silly to have Kim call her Dad. There was no better sequence in TV Land I can think of then....

Kim:Daddy he's moving
Jack:Shoot him, put the gun to his chest and shoot him right now
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Kim:Daddy....
Jack: Did you do it?
Kim: Yeah
Jack: Shoot him again

Ben Sones

05-12-2003, 04:27 PM

It makes you wonder where Kim got all her Dumb from, because it wasn't from Jack Bauer.

Chris

05-13-2003, 07:51 AM

Didn't you see Season 1 with her mom Terri? It's obvious the dumb gene came from her. Besides, it fits right in with the show's theme that women are dumb or evil.

Lunch of Kong

05-13-2003, 10:11 AM

I thought episode 22 was tense, but episode 23 really takes the cake. Gesus. I'm not sure whose heart was beating more erratically, mine or Jack's.

I was gripping my seat cushions. It's so good. :-)

graller

05-13-2003, 11:25 AM

Roger - today is Tuesday which means that Episode 23 airs tonight doesn't it? You somehow leapt in the future and saw it already? Just curious?

Lunch of Kong

05-14-2003, 12:13 AM

Roger - today is Tuesday which means that Episode 23 airs tonight doesn't it? You somehow leapt in the future and saw it already? Just curious?

I caught the wildfeed (the satellite transmissions that networks use to send the source recordings to their affiliate stations).

However, next week I'm watching it the old fashioned way, commercials and all. A couple friends and I are having a 24 party. We're gonna hoot and holler as we put new finger indentations into the furniture.

FlamingSheep

05-20-2003, 06:51 PM

What the crap was this finale?

Feel free to discuss.

Tyjenks

05-20-2003, 06:56 PM

What the crap was this finale?

Feel free to discuss.

What finale? Gooo Ruuuuben!

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It certainly was wrapped up all nice and tidy and then the requisite cliffhanger unfolded. Jack kicking ass after dying and having his 2nd or 3rd heart attack was still pretty good. I was able to say goodbye to Kim so it was fine for me.

wumpus

05-20-2003, 08:54 PM

Worst. Finale. Ever.

- no resolution. Hey, it's time for PLAN B! Except that happened halfway through season 1, so they could have a real fucking finale.

- no plot twists. Could it be more pat and straightforward? I've seen episodes of the A Team with more complicated endings.

- everything just maaaaaaagically falls into place in the last hour. How convenient.

- only bad guys die. What about Sherry's noble sacrifice? What about Jack going into cardiac arrest (no, really, we mean it this time)?

Unbelievably fucking LAME.

Lunch of Kong

05-21-2003, 08:56 AM

spoilers:

The bad guys in 24 are like those russian dolls that have smaller dolls inside them. Except, the bad guys get bigger.

I hated the cliffhanger. The girls were very upset that the writers gave Palmer purple hand disease. I was the only one who noticed that the handshake assassin was the motorcycle lesbian skydiver assassin from the first season.

I got a little choked up when Mike was going to cry. But he didn't cry, so I didn't either.

Ben Sones

05-21-2003, 08:59 AM

- only bad guys die.

President Palmer is a bad guy?

Tyjenks

05-21-2003, 09:05 AM

spoilers:

I was the only one who noticed that the handshake assassin was the motorcycle lesbian skydiver assassin from the first season.
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I was watching with my wife and I too recognized her right away. If she had not been a lesbian when we first saw her, I am not sure I would have recalled her as accurately. More proof for my coming campaign which calls for the addition of more hot lesbians to prime time television programming. It helps the viewer retain plot point and character information.

Ben Sones

05-21-2003, 09:07 AM

"24 Season 3: Kim Bauer's Naked Lesbian Adventure"

Tyjenks

05-21-2003, 09:13 AM

"24 Season 3: Kim Bauer's Naked Lesbian Adventure"

Just stop right there. I believe I could die a happy man once that season was complete.

I am sure the Spice channel will have something similair on if they have not already. They have several sequels to the BareWench Project afterall. My wife and I look at the titles and read the descriptions on our digital cable for a good laugh now and again.

Lunch of Kong

05-21-2003, 09:56 AM

Just stop right there. I believe I could die a happy man once that season was complete.

That CTU detention cell with the Hannibal Lector plexiglass, chair, and chains has some real possibilities.

Bill Dungsroman

05-21-2003, 09:56 AM

My wife and I look at the titles and read the descriptions on our digital cable for a good laugh now and again.

"My wife and I..."
"...read the descriptions..."
"...laugh..."

Right, right.

Tyjenks

05-21-2003, 10:14 AM

Just stop right there. I believe I could die a happy man once that season was complete.

That CTU detention cell with the Hannibal Lector plexiglass, chair, and chains has some real possibilities.

What was the deal with that? Did she have Magneto-type powers?

Alan Dunkin

05-21-2003, 10:41 AM

A bad, bad ending, of course from a creative team that can ruin anything given the chance (La Femme Nikita TV show for instance). Was bound to happen sooner or later with these losers running the show, and there was such high hope for them after Season One and a fairly good beginning of Season Two. Bastards.

--- Alan

Tyjenks

05-21-2003, 11:56 AM

There was way too much going on at the end of the last episode to be wrapped up going into the finale. Its like they had a check list of loose ends and worked each into the story in an orderly fashion so that everyone was happy and then the gasp or should I say yawn at the end.

I still thought the season as a whole was decent*, but I was past tired of Jack following a lead to a literal dead end and then at the last moment picking up a new lead and then chasing it only to be seconds too late and then....and so on and so on.

*By decent, I mean exponentially better than most other network programming.

Dean

05-21-2003, 12:34 PM

Since Kim's subplots had run out, they let the Kim writing team handle this finale.

I recognized the lesbian biker chick. Ah, fond memories of her getting naked by the light of a campfire.

I was waiting for Kate to turn evil and put Kim in jeopardy yet again. That would have been the "we absolutely, positively hate all women" ending.

Why did the badguy have an unloaded gun in his ankle holster? It flew out of Jack's hand during the Jack-Fu smackdown, then when he picked it up to kill Kingsley there were no bullets. Did the magazine go flying out of it when it hit the seats?

We never heard of Michelle Forbes made it, nor did we pin her injury/death on Mike. And Mike did cry, I saw that tear.

So the plot to kill David Palmer has finally succeeded. Jack has failed. sigh.

Alan Dunkin

05-21-2003, 12:50 PM

I believe the pistol carried at least one bullet as it discharged when they were firing at least once.

Ahhh... Naked Mandy.

--- Alan

Quaro

05-21-2003, 01:09 PM

What happened to the La Femme Nikkita team? Did another team take over the direction of the show at the end? That show did take a signficant nose dive in the last season.

Tyjenks

05-21-2003, 01:12 PM

We never heard of Michelle Forbes made it, nor did we pin her injury/death on Mike.

Shit. They had successfully made me forget that. That is a rather gaping hole. I am sure it will all be made clear next season. :roll:

wumpus

05-21-2003, 02:13 PM

President Palmer is a bad guy?
C'mon. He's not gonna die. Sick, yes-- dead, no. And I'm not sure I even care at this point.

I was waiting for Kate to turn evil and put Kim in jeopardy yet again. That would have been the "we absolutely, positively hate all women" ending.
Exactly. Sherry sorta kinda made a sacrifice, but she should have died, IMO, for it to be meaningful.

I still thought the season as a whole was decent*, but I was past tired of Jack following a lead to a literal dead end and then at the last moment picking up a new lead and then chasing it only to be seconds too late and then....and so on and so on.
Yeah, my wife said the show took a nose dive right after the nuclear bomb went off. In retrospect, I agree. That's when "plan B" should have kicked in, NOT in the finale. God, how appalling.

FlamingSheep

05-21-2003, 02:59 PM

SPOILERS

I heard a rumor that Palmer isn't signed on for season 3... Is this true?

Brad Grenz

05-21-2003, 06:49 PM

Gee, I get the feeling the next 24 will be about the next 24 hours. You'd think they'd give a Jack a week or two off first. I think not knowing they were coming back the first year was an advantage. I mean, Christ, you can't follow 23 strait cliff-hangers with a 24th cliffhanger to lead you into the next 24 cliff hangers!

graller

06-07-2003, 12:04 PM

Sorry to come late to this discussion. Finally got the bittorrent of the alst episode. I tend to agree with Brad. How the heck is jack gonna climb up off that stretcher and go right back in action on hour 1 of season 3? I did not mind the cliffhanger as much as you all seem to have. I would rather start a new season where I haev a basic understanding of the bad guys....

Spoiler

Ok so I don't even know the name of the guy on the boat, but we have lesbian biker chick, Tony in control at CTU, Mike is gone?? Maybe not if Palmer is out and the VP will be back in charge again...Start em up now I say.

Linoleum

04-19-2004, 10:04 AM

I'd just like to say, holy shit have the last couple episodes been intense.

russellmz00

04-21-2004, 12:53 PM

yup.

and how many people laughed when the chick asked jack for a lawyer last night? thankfully the cliffhanger was cougar free.

i always hold off watching 24 until the last half or third of the season. the first parts usually don't hold my interest that well but the last parts are always chock full of goodness.
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Lunch of Kong

04-21-2004, 02:58 PM

I wasn't able to watch last night's ep. , so please no spoilers yet.

All I can say is, Palmer's downfall will be the result of his pride. You gotta learn to swallow sometimes.

Jeremy Johnsen

04-21-2004, 04:51 PM

The more they avoid the Sherry Palmer/murder plot, the happier I'm going to be. That has been the weakest and most boring part of the season in my opinion.

Ben Sones

04-21-2004, 08:51 PM

Actually, I thought most of this season was pretty dull until the last three or four episodes. Once they lost the drug plot and the Sherry murder plot, the story got a lot better. Now I'm actually looking forward to new episodes again.

balut

05-19-2004, 07:58 AM

Hmm, interesting episode last night. VERY intense scene with Saunders and CTU using his daughter against him. The thing with Sherry at the end seemed too soap-opera-ish for me, though.

Woolen Horde

05-19-2004, 08:02 AM

That was the first new episode I've watched since mid last season.

It's about f'in time they started trimming down the # of characters in this show, starting with Lady MacBeth. Frankly, the fact that she kept popping up and twisting everything around made the show's contriveness even worse.

But what the hell hapened to Kim? Nary a sighting of her last night?

Ben Sones

05-19-2004, 08:05 AM

Yeah, I hate that Sherry plot thread. It's just utterly uninteresting, and based entirely on President Palmer making obviously wrong, moronic decisions that seem way out of character for him. The virus storyline is way better, especially with Tony Almeda's dilemma. That's a good example of how to put a good character in a difficult position and make you sympathize with him.

I think they were trying to do the same thing with Palmer, but it just didn't work, because he didn't have any difficult decisions to make--just a bunch of easy ones that he dropped the ball on. He should have known better than to call Sherry in the first place. He never should have lied for her (if past seasons have taught us anything, it's that the American public is willing to forgive a lot as long as Palmer is honest with them, and Palmer should have realized that). Etc.