Ascension world champion Dave Perkins joins us and then loses a very special Ascension match to Jason A. McMaster! If we don’t drive you away by making light of cancer, same-sex relationships, and child murder, stick around for an illuminating discussion about collectibles in games. What makes for a good or bad collectible system? What’s the difference between collectibles and treasure? Does Far Cry 3 do collectibles well? And how many of those pigeons do you have to shoot in Grand Theft Auto IV before something happens?