Advice needed: Team Fortress 2 and the Bill’s hat conundrum

So I’m letting Steam do it’s thing (i.e. download updates) when I notice the little envelope icon is green. A message. It’s a friend request. It’s a name from Breaking Bad, with some sort of clan taggery around the name, and an accompanying Bryan Cranston icon. I have no idea who it is and we don’t have any friends in common. But I’m not picky. This isn’t Xbox Live, where no one could possibly have more than 100 friends. So I accept the friend request. At which point I almost immediately hear that little bloop of an incoming chat message from my new friend.

After the jump, hey mister, how much for the hat?

He leads with idle banter. “What’s up?” he asks. I tell him I’m downloading updates. Do I know this person? Sometimes my real life friends tell me their goofy online names and I forget, and then they talk to me online and I have no idea who they are.

“Ok,” he says. So now the idle banter is out of the way. As far as I’m concerned, it’s still his move in our awkward chat volley, so I go back to watching the updates download.

“Let’s trade,” he says after a moment.

Trade? Trade what? Magic cards? Action figures? Collectibles from Xenoblade Chronicles? Tales of our exploits in Guild Wars 2?

It turns out this fellow is keen to get something I have in my inventory. He tells me that’s why he friended me. First of all, how can this guy see what’s in my inventory? Second of all, I have an inventory?

“Bill’s hat,” he says.

Bill’s (not pictured) hat (pictured)? Oh, right, the hats in Team Fortress 2. Valve’s golden eggs. So this guy who I don’t know wants Bill’s hat. Which is a pretty stupid name for an inventory item. Let me go see what he’s on about.

Oh, that Bill. The old dude from Left 4 Dead. Basically, the Dale or Hershel character. The one I’m about ten years away from identifying with, so I might as well get used to liking him. But what do I care about his hat? I barely even play Team Fortress 2. Last time I tried, here on my LAN, playing the co-op mode with my friends in the same room, we all died in short order and they then declared that it was awful. We spent the rest of the evening playing the new Counter-Strike instead.

When this guy opens a trade window — who knew there were trade windows in Steam? — I’m pretty much inclined to just give him Bill’s hat. What do I care about a hat? But it occurs to me that if this guy is rifling through random people’s inventories to find a particular hat, maybe it’s not just a hat. Maybe it’s got some crazy online value and I’m just some rube who stumbled upon it. In World of Warcraft, I once killed a jaguar a few levels beneath me and found some sort of parrot that was worth a bazillion platinum pieces or something. I was told I should sell it. I couldn’t have cared less. I popped the crate open and had some multibillion dollar parrot hovering over my shoulder for the remaining few days I played World of Warcraft. I was even stopped on the street in Ogrimmar by someone and told I was a fool for not selling the parrot.

So I ask the guy to hold on for a second and I quickly Google “bill’s hat team fortress 2″. I discover it’s some sort of pre-order deal from Left 4 Dead. As in, limited edition. As in, finite supply. As in, this guy could spend the rest of his life grinding away at TF2Bucks or whatever they’re called and never get one.

And while I’m Googling this, the guy is chatting me — bloop bloop bloop — with messages explaining its value. He tells me that Bill’s hat is worth eight keys, and the keys are each worth 1.99 euros. Euros! Those are even better than dollars. I was about to give this guy something worth more than sixteen dollars. Now he’s dumping some weapons into the trade window. Since I don’t play Team Fortress 2, I have no idea how good these weapons are. For all I know, he’s offered me the equivalent of a Hattori Hanzo sword, a Hand of Vecna, and the rifle used to kill JFK. I am clearly out of my element here, bartering for something with no sense for its value.

Meanwhile, my new friend is telling me about his most valuable hat, which I think he says is worth a thousand dollars. That can’t be right. I must have done the math wrong, with the the euros and keys and whatnot. Surely there aren’t thousand dollar hats in Team Fortress 2. Maybe there are. I’m still utterly boggled that people are selling undead chicken pets in Guild Wars 2 for a hundred dollars.

As I’m asking the guy to get back to me later so I can look into it, he apologizes for his English, and says that he’s French. Which explains the Euro thing. But when he says this, I immediately like the guy for how much light it sheds on who he is. He’s either very young, or very bold, or very desperate — most likely all three — to cast about on Steam to find someone with Bill’s hat and solicit a trade from someone who doesn’t speak his native language. If he’d just told me his first name, if he’d just stepped out from behind his fondness for Breaking Bad and whatever those inscrutable clan tags mean, I probably would have given him the hat right there because it’s much easier to extend kindness to a real person than an online persona.

So now I have no idea what to do with Bill’s hat. Play more Team Fortress 2 so I can wear it? Give it to the French Breaking Bad fan? Sell it for keys? Can you even give people keys? And what do you then do with them? Sell it on eBay? Can you do that? Donate it to charity? Let it sit in my inventory and accrue value? When World of Warcraft launched, Blizzard sent me a collector’s edition, but not until after I’d already bought my own collector’s edition at a midnight sale. So now I have a shrink-wrapped collector’s edition of World of Warcraft. Occasionally, someone will tell me it’s worth money on eBay, which I find hard to believe, but then we look and sure enough, it’s worth money. One day, I should get around to selling that to someone who cares enough to pay for it.

But first, I have to figure out what to do with Bill’s hat. That’s where you come in. I don’t normally solicit comments, because I figure people will post comments if they want to. But in this case, as a guy completely out of touch with the economy of whatever Valve is doing with hats and keys and euros, I specifically need your help.

  • Alan

    Just give it to him; you don’t care about the game, and you’ll probably make him happy. Even if he intends to flip it, it doesn’t really make a difference to you.

  • Miquel

    I’m also wondering myself what are all those TF2 trinkets that come with pre-orders and sales on Steam.

    And yes, it was foolish not to sell that parrot, Tom :)

  • -Z

    He sounds like a decent sort and has been extremely upfront with you. Just give him the hat. Think of it as good karma.

  • vgambit

    I had a similar situation with another TF2 hat. I was about to just give it up, when they asked me for the name of a $15 game that I wanted.

    I traded away a hat I’ve never worn in a game I don’t really play anymore for Ys: Oath in Felghana, which I’m interested in, but probably won’t ever get around to playing. The cycle continues!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-McMaster/607680289 Jason McMaster

    I’ve had so many requests based on my TF2 collectibles that I pretty much only friend people I know at this point.

  • AbeFroman

    I had Orange Box day one… as a result, I have some random items like
    this too. Every time I play TF2, I get a popup trade request for one of
    them. I had to turn off auto-trade popup from random people or
    something. Oh well.

  • Inver

    If the hat has no value to you – and clearly it doesn’t – my suggestion is to give to him. Though maybe make him do a real-life good deed, like find a homeless guy (do they have the homeless in Europe?) and give him money for lunch. Take a picture of the guy, and the lunch, send it over on Steam and the hat is his.

  • Matt

    Who cares about hats? That original shrinkwrap WoW collectors edition on the other hand….

  • Internet Tough Guy

    I got way too much of this type of nonsense because I had Max’s Severed Head. Then I found out how to hide my Steam inventory and things have been much more peaceful since.

  • GeeWhiz

    Give it to him – always best to be kind when one has the opportunity to do so.

  • Shane

    I used to care about this whole TF2 economy thing, so I’ve got some experience with this. What he told you is right; Bill’s hat is worth about 8 keys, which can each be purchased from Valve for about $2, so it’s real world value is about $15. It can be traded for keys, but keys sell for less than $2 each, and their only purpose is to open crates, which usually give you a crap item, but occasionally give a hat, or extremely rarely reward you with a random hat with a glowing particle effect that’s worth a whole ton of keys. In the TF2 economy, weapons are worth an order of magnitude less than hats, it’d take hundreds of weapons to be worth one good hat.

    He either is actually just desparate for a Bill’s hat, or he’s going through accounts that haven’t played in a long time to try to trade for them for really cheap. He probably found the hat in your pack using http://www.tf2items.com/. You can do the same to him, to see if he really is just a poor kid wanting a hat, or is a TF2 hat hoarder looking to increase his stash. Some people have hundreds of Bill’s hats by now, it’s a common hat to use to trade for other, more expensive hats.

    As to what you should do, beats me. I quit all this once I realized I was spending an hour a day looking for good deals on videogame cosmetics.

  • Wholly Schmidt

    “Some people have hundreds of Bill’s hats by now, it’s a common hat to use to trade for other, more expensive hats.”

    That hat trading is such a big deal that a de facto hat currency has evolved is the best thing I’ve read on the internet in about a month.

  • :)

    Hattori Hanzo sword wielded by the Hand of Vecna? I’d pay money for that. Also that WoW collector’s edition… And how much for the account with the parrot?

  • Apocrypha

    Give it away so people stop bothering you. It will honestly only get worse.

  • sinking

    Are you aware Valve hired an economist to deal with all this?
    The economist has a blog:
    http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/economics/it-all-began-with-a-strange-email/

  • Mygaffer

    This sounds like the best way to go forward. Ask him for a game you want Tom, although I suppose you don’t go short of games in any case.

  • anon

    Play Ys this instant scoundrel!

  • Florian Mittag

    tl;dr: Search at http://www.tf2outpost.com/ for what other people are offering for Bill’s hat and try to find someone trustworthy who gives you something you really want in return, like games.

    Something similar happened to me last christmas. During the Steam Sale I crafted my pieces of coal, which I got through achievement grinding, and no coupons or games showed up, but TF2 hats.
    I was pissed and complained about that in the forum, and as it turned out, I seemed to have gotten one of the most valuable hats, the Holiday Headcase (http://stats.tf/item/667/The_Holiday_Headcase).
    For almost 4 days I was searching the internet to get into this TF2 economy and was so scared I could to anything wrong. I didn’t want other hats, but I wanted games, and I found some offers on this site: http://www.tf2outpost.com/
    At some point I didn’t care if I was going to be ripped off, I just wanted to get rid of this hat so I could think about other stuff again. Someone approached me, his steam profile looked okay (enough games, no new account) and he offered some other hats, a scarf, stuff I really had no use for … AND Skyrim.
    So I took the offer. After a few days he messages me because he saw that I still had the TF2 items he gave me. He said since I had no use for it, he wanted to trade another game for it. So I have him back his TF2 stuff, and after some negotiation (“You’re breaking my balls here, man!”) I got Batman: Arkham City + 2 DLCs.
    I still think that I could’ve gotten even more games out of it (people in the forum claimed that hat was worth 4 to 5 games), but I just wasn’t ready to waste so much time on figuring out the real market value of that hat.
    And even though still haven’t played those games, yet, (damn work and social life … and too much other games on my account) I didn’t regret it. 2 games is more than I’ve ever expected to get during a Steam Sale for completing achievements.
    Oh, and by the way, the currency in TF2 supposedly is Earbuds, because they are also limited. And I’ve just found a trading request where one Holiday Headcase wants to be traded for 4 earbuds and 2 Bill’s hats.

  • BleedTheFreak

    Eh, just give it to him. That’s my advice. You are out nothing, you’ll make his entire month (sounds like), and you’ll feel good about yourself after.

  • http://twitter.com/SirStuie Stuart

    Offer to give him the hat. Delete hat.

  • wisdomchild

    That hat’s whack.

  • Lucas

    I had pretty much the same thing happen. Since I haven’t played TF2 in a long time, I traded a bunch of cosmetic stuff for a ridiculous pile of actual equipment that I may still never use. The item addon economy stuff is one of the reasons I stopped playing. I liked the game they made and hated that they kept diluting it with a lot of junk that undermined the purity of the gameplay.

  • Scotten

    Though I never played TF2 online, I had someone do this same thing last week. “She” was allegedly a college student with an alluring profile pic. Once I told her I didn’t play, she defriended me. Weird.

  • Eschatos

    That name, it’s just too silly to take seriously.

  • soondifferent

    I’d delete the hat before I give it to him. People who make trades like this to random strangers usually have a tool that scans non-private Steam profiles for people with valuable hats and low play time in TF2. They then either try to trade worthless items (like weapons) for it or play the pity card (PLZ PLZ PLZ.) If you trade it to him you’ll just be encouraging him to pester other people.

    Usually around Steam sales there’ll be people who are willing to buy Steam games for you in exchange for hats. You can probably get around ten steambucks in exchange for a bill’s to support worthwhile, underlooked games with. Like 4 copies of Alpha Protocol.

  • Reldan

    These folks generally aren’t that nice once they get the sense you aren’t going to give them what they want or let them rip you off. I’d ask him how he found you and if he can tell you how to remove yourself from public view. If he’s the nice guy you’re envisioning he’ll help you – give him the hat. If he turns into an asshole then you know you’re right not to give it up.

  • aeneas

    Consign it to the pit of Mount Doom. ie craft it and no one will bother you.

  • soundofsatellites

    tf2 is pretty much two very different things right now: a great multiplayer game in the verge of being borked and a autoregulated barter/market simulator. Sometimes this two things mix, but if someone is adding you at random it’s not likely he’s desperate or anything. Most likely, as previously said is scanning public profiles (your steam inventory for different games is public too unless you set your profile to private/private to friends). It does not mean of course he has to be a scammer but it weapons that aren’t “strange” (and very specific for that at least); he’s probably trying to rip you off (there are sites like steamrep, sourceop that track the honesty of people trading!).
    I particularly don’t care that much about hats and stuff, I prefer to play than to trade, I rather give a hat to a friend as a gift than undersell it to a greedy random, but that’s just me.

    And since the tf2 economy is kind of complicated the only real advice I could add is refer to the tf2 spreadsheet
    http://tf2spreadsheet.blogspot.com.ar/
    the other sites linked are also good, but the spreadsheet is the default price accepted by most people and it’s kept updated pretty much all the time, you just look up for the item you want and it’ll give you the average price in metal, keys, buds or whatever.

    gl hf tom

  • tomchick

    Thanks so much for all the suggestions, particularly from those of you familiar with the whole hat trade business. I find that stuff fascinating.

    So I told him he could have the hat if he would gift me a copy of Terraria, which is a $10 game. He immediately declined. :)

  • pod

    Tom,

    I had the exact same experience with my 3 piece Sam and Max kit. I tried to get rid of the person by just asking fo rsomething expensive: the £30 preorder for batman ac that was on the front page of Steam at the time. I was going to buy itregardless. He agreed and had steam email me the code. It was too good to be true. I assumed it was some kind of credit card scam and the game would be revoked in a week and my valve account banned. (this was before games could be traded on steam, but you could still gift.)

    turns out it WAS a scam: each piece of the kit could have gotten me a copy each! :) so I lost out, overall.

    I imagine you have a journalist account so you get all the games on steam anyway?get some games off him and trade them away on the forums as some kind of prize.

  • tomchick

    This is my concern as well, pod. I don’t mind giving a kid a hat, but I do mind being taken advantage of. I figured a $10 game would have been a fair trade if he really wanted the hat. Which it seemed he did given how frequently he was messaging me.

    And, no, I don’t have a journalist account on Steam. I’ve heard tell of these mythical “hey, you get EVERYTHING!” accounts, but I just have a regular ol’ Steam account.

  • limper

    Are those keys usable in Dota2, too?

  • soondifferent

    So he only wanted it if it was virtually free. You can acquire a copy of Terraria via trading for about 3 keys, bills hat is 8 keys, each key is $1.25. ~$6 for 5 minutes of effort, it’s not bad for some high school kid.

    (You can usually get games that have previously been on sale for a lower than current price, as there’s usually a number of them in circulation where people are trying to trade them for hat currency, which can be converted to paypal.)

  • Robert Kosc

    I wouldn’t get rid of the hat, its part of history in TF2 land, and Bill would be disappoint!

    I recall a few years back there was a 2 month fight between 2 online TF2 friends, because one painted Bill’s hat gold, and the other hated it, glorious lulz worthy times back then. I don’t think TF2 had a store or trading yet, those were the days…

  • http://twitter.com/punningpundit punningpundit

    I actually had a guy ask me for my Bill’s Hat. We danced around it for a month or so before deciding to.
    Funny thing: guy told me my asking price was _too low_ and suggested I raise it to a game worth… about US$15.

  • Alan Au

    On the one hand I want the hat because I think it would look good on my TF2 character. On the other hand, I don’t want messages from random strangers because I have it. In that way, it’s sort of like one of those cursed amulets, but not one of the really bad curses where the owner dies violently. More like the cursed amulet of Internet badgering. And really, I have just enough virtual hats to satisfy my fashionista cravings. After all, it doesn’t matter how many hats you own if you only ever wear one of them.

  • Mercanis

    “I’m still utterly boggled that people are selling undead chicken pets in Guild Wars 2 for a hundred dollars.”

    As a Guild Wars player that runs around with an undead chicken pet, this is news to me. I would never part with my pet chicken, however.

  • sifer2

    So THAT’s why I keep getting random friend requests from people I never played a game with lol. How do they know what’s in my inventory anyway? I also wish I never opened my WoW Collectors Edition. I would be a few thousand dollars richer, and wouldn’t have wasted all that time on WoW.

  • Mike Anderson

    Alternatively, you could always give me the hat. I donate part of my income to World Vision every month even though I’ve been unemployed for a year, because my beloved cousin died of AIDS and unexpectedly left me money, and I wanted to do something to remember him by. World Vision has a thing where you can specifically support a child in an environment with high rates of HIV infection. So that is what I did; I swear on my Grandmother’s grave. Or you could give it a to a kid in France. The choice is entirely yours. I would probably wear it for a while, then give it to my 9-year old to wear or trade as he saw fit. Regardless, damn interesting post. My TF2 name is Mister Picklefluff; pretty sure it’s the only one out there.

  • Ryan Hackett

    “to cast about on Steam to find someone with Bill’s hat and solicit a trade from someone who doesn’t speak his native language.”

    Whoa! Sending instant messages to people on the internet? That takes serious balls!

  • http://twitter.com/goatonastick goat-on-a-stick

    hold it. you could possibly trade it on the steam community market soon.

  • Shae

    I added you on steam my name is Shae, I wanna help you with something.